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Chicago vs. Hugo Chávez

By Jessica Pupovac, The NewStandard. Posted January 3, 2006.


Rather than accept cheap diesel from Venezuela, the city chose to raise commuting costs for low-income residents.
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The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corp., the city is instead raising fares to solve budget shortfalls.

In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide Chicago with low-cost diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings on to poor residents in the form of free or discounted fare cards.

But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the CTA president "has no intent or plan to accept the offer," according to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation. According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez, the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the discount offer.

In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be addressed by fair hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuelan offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month, and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for passengers paying cash.

"This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me," said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -- currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the majority of the time.

Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public transportation.

"I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my bus fare," Cox told The NewStandard. "I have a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed. I already see no money at the end of the month."

The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's "oil-for-the-poor" programs in the U.S. was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households slated to benefit from the plan.

Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10 million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.


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Jessica Pupovac is an adult educator and independent journalist living in Chicago.

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Chicago versus Chávez
Posted by: FedUp on Jan 3, 2006 12:48 AM   
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So while the "pundits", "experts", and everday, slimy politicians, who, not circling the drain in an eat-or-pay-the-rent vicious cycle of ever-increasing poverty, are "analyzing" the situation, or better said; waiting for word from on high (Washington) on how to, and whether to even respond to this offer, the poor and underprivileged are going to be punished.
Rather, political hay is being made about the "madness" of Chávez.
Old habits die hard, and having Latin Americans think for themselves and change the way things are done are anathema to Washington and its lackeys at state and municipal levels.
This, from "experts" who will continue to extol about the virtues of a free-market economy while the frozen cadavers od the elderly are pulled from their unheated homes.

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mike532
Posted by: mike532 on Jan 3, 2006 3:18 AM   
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IT seems like the people of Chigao need to remember each and every one of these politictions who voted to reject this offer of help from Chavez and vote them out of office in novenber. if bush or any of his bunch cared about Americans they would make public transportation free for poor and out of work Americans !

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» RE: mike532 Posted by: Lincoln fan
If Chavez is trying to buy good will
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jan 3, 2006 3:27 AM   
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I'd say he's doing it in the most moral way. I suspect he knows he could get farther with less payout by pampering the fat cats instead of helping the poor. And he is willing to help US-Americans as well as others, because with the difference in cost of living, the US poor are constantly on edge of losing their shelter, their health, and their jobs.

I wish the MSM would run these stories more prominently. Most people know either nothing about him, or remember there was some trouble over the elections and that Pat Robertson wanted him assassinated. I think the public needs to know how much generosity has been refused because the people in power decided the poor didn't need help from *him*.

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» Yep Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: Yep Posted by: drone
Doubts?
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 3, 2006 3:39 AM   
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If anyone had any doubt that our government, at all levels and regardless of party, favors the welfare of big business over the lives of it's citizens, this should remove them. While oil companies squeezie record profits out of the working class our politicians stand by and allow it. Better that some poor people freeze to death than to curtail the "freedom" of corporations to bleed the people. "We the people" must take control of our government now. Face it. Next year you may be poor. Click on join the revolution

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speechless with rage and disgust
Posted by: drSooz on Jan 3, 2006 5:08 AM   
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It would seem that most of the 'wind' in the Windy City is coming from the arrogantdon'tgiveashitneverhadtodowithout political powers. I'm too disgusted and enraged to know what to say. ...and the shit just keeps on coming...

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A mess of contradictions
Posted by: boing007 on Jan 3, 2006 6:16 AM   
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Chicago refuses Venezuelan deal:

Interesting that the U.S.A., and many other countries for that matter, prefer to do business with fascist dictators (Suharto, Somoza, Pinochet, Marcos, Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, etc.) who usually come to power through military coups and the like, rather than do business with democratically elected politicians like Chavez or Allende. These pretentious, self-appointed guardians of 'westerm democracy' overwhelmingly prefer Fascist governments that control their citizens over Socialist style governments that want to improve their citizens' lives.

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» RE: A mess of contradictions Posted by: Pressreader
» RE: A mess of contradictions Posted by: Marvin_KC
Chavez eats fried rats
Posted by: reugen on Jan 3, 2006 6:42 AM   
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it's not so much that chavez wants to improve lives, it's that he wants to improve lives as he sees fit.

state control never did anyone any good. all it does is take decisions making ability away from the people. currency controls are for weak leaders afraid of decisions made by the people.

cheap foreign oil comes with strinfs attached no matter who is offering it.

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» RE: Chavez eats fried rats Posted by: smchris
» RE: Chavez eats fried rats Posted by: ftorres
» Marx and politics Posted by: reugen
» RE: Marx and politics Posted by: JoshuaHolland
» RE: Marx and politics Posted by: drone
» RE: Marx and politics Posted by: cellis56
» RE: Chavez eats fried rats Posted by: Doubtom
» michael moore is that you? Posted by: reugen
» michael moore is that you? Posted by: reugen
» Do you speaka da English?? Posted by: may261989
» RE: Do you speaka da English?? Posted by: WhatNow?
Outmoded idealogy hurts us all
Posted by: sausage on Jan 3, 2006 7:27 AM   
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The Chicago Transit Authorities refusal to accept Hugo Chavez's offer of cheap diesel fuel from Citgo is a holdover of the Cold War. Heaven forbid that the richest nation in the world, the bastion of democracy, the arsenal of freedom, the cradle of capitalism, should accept aid from a socialist country.

Neither centerist Democrats or the "compassionate" conservatives of the Republican Party will ever admit that socialism may have some features that nurture democracy and benefit the welfare of the republic. It is the legacy of the Cold War which stymied the creation of a nationalized health care system, adequate low-cost public transportation and is contributing to the failure of the educational system.

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Such is Tyranny
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 3, 2006 7:34 AM   
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Here is a prime example of how the system keeps the People on the backs of their collective heels. It only proves that the Govt is corrupt from the Whitehouse to the Statehouse and the City Council. A city that neglects it's people to appease a failed policy towards a Gulf neighbor Country is as much the problem as the Iraq War.Adding to the strain on low-income budgets is just the tip of the iceburg.
Especially when mid-level,low-incme for Chicago,USDA figures, are running $52,000/yr single person. What Chicago has done is follow the example of the utility companies. In their case all the rate hikes we get yearly are the result of FINES THEY GET for over pollution.By law we don't have to pay their fines.The utilities have it rigged so if they announce that they are going to pass the fine payment off to us,they can do it.By not taking the heating oil and screwing the poor,
has only shown the rats are still running Chicago.
In L.A. in the poor districts the 'war on the poor' has gotten so bad they call 911 and kill the cops that show up,Why? Because they don't protect and serve the People. You don't here about it on the national news because there is no 'Free Press' and they don't want the rebellion to spread.
P.O.T. Party is all about rebelling against this corrupted system but through non-violence,through the changing of Ideals and the addressing of the needs of the People and not the Few. Chicago is just more thuggery,perpatraited against the poor. Shame,shame,shame when your city plays the Tyrant's game.

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» RE: Such is Tyranny Posted by: Lizka
» RE: Such is Tyranny Posted by: jeffrey7
Sustainability...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 3, 2006 7:44 AM   
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Chicago must find a way to make public transportation at least semi-self sufficient.

Counting on a windfall of discounted fuel from a turbulent country (yes it is) held in an iron grip (yes it is) by one Hugo Chavez does not meet the minimum criteria for "sustainability". Sorry. It's right there in Websters:

"Sustainability: the process by which one does NOT encourage dependency on Hugo Chavez to fund public transportation in America"

See? Having our most vulnerable citizens reliant on Chavez obviously does not meet the minimum definition of sustainability. Further, it's very telling that so many "socially conscious" folks don't give a damn who they "trust" to take of our poor citizens. Have we really come to the mantra of "Just give me some government, any government!"...
...?

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» RE: "...held in an iron grip..."? Posted by: JoshuaHolland
» RE: Yeah, that sucks Posted by: sausage
» RE: Yeah, that sucks Posted by: JoshuaHolland
» RE: Yeah, that sucks Posted by: sausage
» And another thing, Joshua Posted by: sausage
» RE: And another thing, Joshua Posted by: JoshuaHolland
» RE: Better Future my Ass!!!! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» You block discussion. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: You block discussion. Posted by: ftorres
» RE: You block discussion. Posted by: Lizka
» BTW... Posted by: sausage
» RE: Sustainability... Posted by: JSquercia
» Your illogic bombs. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Sustainability... Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Sustainability... Posted by: drone
» Another definition: Arrogance Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Your answer. Posted by: ABetterFuture
"Chicago"
Posted by: goleft on Jan 3, 2006 10:13 AM   
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I can hear the son of bush singing happily, "Chicago, Chicago...you're my kind of town...."

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Chicago versus Chávez & a Balanced Argument
Posted by: FedUp on Jan 3, 2006 10:32 AM   
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Having a balanced argument over the merits, methods, and intentions of Hugo Chávez's to supply poor communities throughout the United States with low-cost heating and diesel fuel depends purely on the news source of the reader and poster.
The notion that anyone outside of the United States and its designated custodians of democracy, as laid out by its historical track record, is deemed bogus by people that refuse to believe that the very countries that Washington has branded as "rogue" nations, are capable of exporting anything other than drugs, arms, and mayhem.
When we examine what Castro has done to help Africans at the grass-root level, what Chávez has already instituted at home and abroad, by making this same offer to other nations, investing in bond markets so that debtor nations can get out of IMF slavery, etc., it doesn't bode well for corporate America.
Changing a century long attitude towards Latin America doesn't come easily to people that have grown up with the propaganda that has been the "gospel" of the rich American media, in colusion with Washington and big business.
That people at our level of discussion are buying into this well orchestrated media model is telling of our global standing.

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Are you sure they are Democrats
Posted by: bookwoman on Jan 3, 2006 12:13 PM   
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I guess the Daleys still don't get it.

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A New "Deal"(?)
Posted by: FedUp on Jan 3, 2006 1:49 PM   
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What may turn out to be one for the history books, is that out of long ignored Latin America, a region written off by The United States as being unable to make changes that would have an effect on global and regional socio-economic programs, there comes a call for change in The USA's own back yard.
I have re-newed respect for those observers of the 70s & 80s that predicted this growth of an economic giant to the south, that rings in the minds of people ready to question the status quo.
This may be just the ticket to shake things up in North American politics.
Democrats and Republicans have been saddled with less than steller "leaders".
So, while Hilary Clinton was welcoming Kosovo refugees with open arms at Teaneck, New Jersey airport, and Bill was ignoring Rwanda, all the while ignoring the carnage in Guatemala and GW Stupid - the sock puppet; you know, the one with Cheney's fist up his butt, moving his mouth parts, were taking care of 'Murica's bizness in Iraq,Latin America was waking up to the possibility of self-determination, and an examination of its global role, as well as its hemispherical relation with North America.
Is Chávez grandstanding? Possibly. But, then he doesn't hail from a coddled lifestyle, like GW and his thugs.

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I am sure they won't mind
Posted by: chaoslegs on Jan 3, 2006 4:57 PM   
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Is Chavez bribing Americans to get good will? If so, I am sure those in the lower income brackets won't mind someone actually trying to bribe them for a change.

Since Congress has been corporatized, it is about time some government made them a priority, too bad our own useless leaders keeping dropping the ball.

Combine this with the refusal of Cuban doctors help during the Katrina aftermath, and you know our government is not for the people.

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» RE: I am sure they won't mind Posted by: A. James
My e-mail
Posted by: chaoslegs on Jan 3, 2006 5:15 PM   
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I sent this e-mail to the city, and will be sending it to the Convention and Vistor's Bureau. I will also hit the IL Senators.


"A friend of mine is talking about seeing the final concerts of Barenboim with the CSO on June 15 and 16 (Mahler and Bruckner's 9th Symphonies).

Yet today I read this article on alternet.
http://www.alternet.org/story/30296/

I have to tell you I have HUGE reservations about visiting your city after reading this. The transit will be more expensive, and it really seems like those at the bottom end of the income scale are having the possibility of a very helpful program being refused and being replaced with a more regressive fee structure (those transfer costs, you know suburban travellers are not going to hurt with that). My power, since I can't vote in Chicago, is to not spend any of my income in your city.

I would like an explanation from someone, otherwise, Chicago will only be a city to drive around, never my destination."


I live in Minneapolis

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» RE: My e-mail Posted by: FedUp
DID YOU KNOW......
Posted by: dadanbetty on Jan 3, 2006 6:40 PM   
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Outside the bubble where I live, There are BBC segments that put: 'except in North America' across the screen as they are advertising upcoming segments. If I lived in the bubble today I think I would go mad.

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» RE: DID YOU KNOW...... Posted by: JoshuaHolland
Riddle me this?
Posted by: TooDamnCool on Jan 3, 2006 8:21 PM   
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Would it better for the Venezuelans, the vast majority of which live in abject povety, if Fidel-light sold the fuel on the open market for market prices rather than influence peddle in a relatively affluent American city?

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» RE: Riddle me this? Posted by: FedUp
» RE: iddle me this? Posted by: ftorres
Instead of Chicago, how about New Orleans?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 3, 2006 8:35 PM   
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And Mississippi and Florida and everywhere else that had been--technically speaking--fucked up the ass by the hurricanes of the past two years.

I'd support an effort to give those places diesel fuel at a reasonable price.

/of course, that's just my opinion
//probably get flamed for saying this faster than the speed of Godwin
///wants to see some Brazillian boobies

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Reagan's reverse Robin Hood lives on!
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 3, 2006 10:57 PM   
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Yes, I am sure Chavez is ‘playing politics,’ but that’s because he’s a politician. Of equal interest is the stubbornness of Americans to refuse to acknowledge that politicians not only can but should ‘play politics’ to help people.

Maybe this gesture, and yes that’s all it is, will stir up some leadership in Chicago to demand that government do the job our Constitution assigns it to “promote the general Welfare.”

It may horrify right-wingers that the ‘W ‘word appears in our hallowed document, but that is one reason we have a government to begin with.

The Chicago Tribune bought the L.A. Times a few years back and is now curbing the liberal spirit of The Times. Robert Scheer has gotten fired after a decades-long brilliant career as a columnist. The Orange County brand of obsequies to corporate dominance now gets a bigger share of exposure.

Make no mistake about it: the welfare of Americans, now and in the future, is at stake. If government gets in the way of help that is needed, sooner or later the need will make itself heard. Taking from the poor to give to the rich always leads to violence.

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Foreign aid in any other language
Posted by: moschops on Jan 4, 2006 12:01 AM   
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And if the USA, World Bank, IMF, or UN offered cheap oil, cheap food, or cheap loans with some stipulations would that be a political move to make people like you, or undermine your government? Or just a bunch of friendly people doing something out of common decency?

I can imagine the real reason Chicago decided not to take the offer - someone provided an economic reason why the City would suffer if it did. Some string was pulled, arms were twisted and Chicago suddenly decided maybe it should look the gift horse in the mouth.

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The bottom line........
Posted by: ftorres on Jan 4, 2006 6:35 AM   
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The bottom line is, Chavez is trying to help the poor in Chicago, while the city's political system screws them! I always though the State of Illinois wasn't much of anything, much less Chicago, Now I know.

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Sustainability?
Posted by: cellis56 on Jan 4, 2006 9:55 AM   
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Oh, you mean the process rooted in the pockets of the poor.

Check again. Those pockets have been picked over and over. The slightest objective effort to evaluate the plan to jack up fares in order to attain sustainability (especially given that hefty supplementary federal grant that won't be around next year if Hugo Chavez doesn't renew his offer) reveals that there is no such thing.

Sustainability is YUPPIE speak for a lot of people will be thrown out of work and go hungry.

Nice concept.

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Maybe He Is and Maybe He Ain't
Posted by: cellis56 on Jan 4, 2006 10:14 AM   
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Like Castro, Hugo Chavez has had to cope with the CIA and the US government seeking inroads to upend his government. He may be a good president and he may be a disaster; with our backward political leaders, we'll never know.

Chavez can see what happened to Allende, who Kissinger, winning the Nobel Peace Prize that same year, helped to off. Chavez would be an idiot to sit on his hands while the CIA manipulates Venezuela's national press, filling it with anti-Chavez propaganda. Also, he's reasonable to suspect that backroom meetings are plotting his assassination. There is no way he could head up an open democratic society with that kind of pressure hanging over him.

I wish him well. Cuba is in terrible shape after half a century of US oppression that gets laid at Castro's door. (Castro bears some responsibility but the US bears far more.)

Chavez has an uphill battle. But here in the US progressives have another, struggling against the idea that other countries are subject to our whims and our evaluations and our manipulations and if they retaliate, that proves our distrust of them to begin with.

Time for some logical thinking, a skill that has been increasingly absent from our public education system. First rule of critical thinking--it ain't either or. It might even not be either.

Think about it.

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HOW DARE HE!!!
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Jan 4, 2006 10:08 PM   
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How dare this upstart try to help Americas poor! (Poor? What poor? I don't see any poor in the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave!) Of course no one's poor here. Of course no one needs help here. Of course it's all just a political ruse to make our Great Leaders look bad. How dare he try to make our Democracy look bad by helping those less fortunate that the Congress or the President! After all, Mr. Chavez, these are our disenfranchised and it is our God given right to milk them any way that we chose! It's Free Enterprise, you see. The Oil Companies of America will never share THEIR wealth with the poor, if they do indeed exist! So, God curse you, Mr. Chavez, for trying to do what we refuse to do!
God curse you for trying to help the segment of humanity that has no voice in the congregations of the Lawmakers and the Movers and Shakers of our Great Land. God curse you for making our Great Leaders look like the money grubbing, deal
making thieves that they are! How dare he!!!

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» RE: HOW DARE HE!!! Posted by: ftorres
Mayor Daley, you ain't a communist are you?
Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 5, 2006 2:40 PM   
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Their is mutual admiration between the Daley family and the Bush family. I think George junior would like to keep the presidency in the family. Afterall he is the new king george.

With lack of federal funding i bet these guys don't want to go out on a limb and be "communists." Sounds like Macarthism? George might sell out old Rich and have his phone tapped.

Their is talk that Luis Guitierrez or Jessee Jackson Junior may leave the congress for a mayoral pursuit. Both of their congressional districts are serverly impacted by public transit and poverty (Humbolt pk is luis district). All i have to say is good luck. Old Richy has coopted Chicago and has to be a role model for dumb (or dumber) George Junior. If anyone can win a race against Daleyt Junior i give them alot of credit.

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Chavez
Posted by: rafey on Jan 6, 2006 10:23 AM   
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After having supported the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of farmers and their families and ruining their land by the dictatorial governments that reigned with our blessing, it is refreshing to see Latin American Countries finally take the bull by the horns and reliquish the terrible American stench that oppressed them for so very long. If we ever gain the kind of true Democratic leadership that has been popularly obtained under Chavez (as opposed to the autocratic villiany we have been forced to endure), then we will be able to consider ourselves truly blessed at long last for that is, indeed, the kind of nation that our forefathers envisioned and that is mandated by our Constituiton.

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esofea
Posted by: esofea on Jan 7, 2006 6:18 AM   
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I continue to be amazed by the silence of the main-stream press on the incredible achievements of Chavez. It's clear that the bush cabal cannot allow any "real news" about Chavez to circulate. Chavez, unlike bush, was democratically elected, cares about poor and struggling people, and understands that food, education and healthcare for even poor people are key elements in maintaining a thriving society. Imagine the blowback for our current administration if information about what Chavez has accomplished in Venezuela were widely circulated.

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CTA Outrageous
Posted by: sudont on Jan 7, 2006 3:08 PM   
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"Some critics of President Chavez say his offer of cheap fuel to low-income communities in the U.S. is a political ploy to win the support of the American people."

He's had my support for a long time now! I live in Chicago and have to use the CTA, at least in Winter, so I wish I could benefit from Citco's largesse. Instead, the CTA has made it extremely expensive to use cash, which of course falls hardest on the poor (like me). I have to take two buses and two trains on certain days (in one direction), and this will cost $8 if I have to pay cash because they've eliminated transfers altogether. It's outrageous! If I were travelling with another person, it would be cheaper to take a taxi, (cab-pooling, anyone?). Yet they turn down discounted fuel! I will be looking for ways to avoid the CTA whenever possible.

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A Venezuelan
Posted by: Jorge on Feb 20, 2006 12:36 PM   
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As a Venezuelan living in Chicago, paying for the high oil prices and the unbelievable heating bills, I say; don’t let Chavez sell Venezuela short by sending its natural resources at cut-rate prices anywhere to gain political clout.
Don’t believe the Chavista socialist propaganda. Venezuelans are suffering; dissent in Venezuela does not go unpunished. Speak against Chavez and you can forget your job, don’t even try to renew your licence, passport forgetaboutit. Bank account where did it go?...register to vote, yea right. And yes, there are those who simply disappear altogether. That is the hard reality.
Chavez claims he does not like to see the US oppressing people; the truth is he maintains power by oppressing his own people. Sure, try to buy America’s socialists by “giving” cheap heating oil. Yet it is the Venezuelans who miss out by the cheap export of their natural resources. Bravo, Bravo.
Keep on believing the Chavista propaganda, anything to promote the socialist agenda. After all, “the end justifies the means”.

True, Venezuela’s democracy was broken, the two parties were corrupt. That is what allowed this monster to rise. But please, don’t defend him or his methods.

"An ignorant people are the blind instrument of their own destruction"
Simon Bolivar.

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Ignorance abounds. Socialism/communism depend on it
Posted by: Jorge on Feb 20, 2006 1:57 PM   
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Sounds Just like Mussolini or Hitler. Their social "accomplishments" were all the rage in their time. Many a dictator trumpets social reform to push their agenda. Feed on the needs of the poor. Get the masses support. Trumpet it in all the liberal socialist forums. Leverage yourself against a "common enemy".

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