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'They' Destroyed New Orleans

By Kenneth Cooper, AlterNet. Posted December 24, 2005.


When it comes to explaining why the levees broke, many otherwise reasonable New Orleanians are quick to believe in conspiracy theories.
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My little cousin, Kenneth, sits across from me smoking a cigarette in the driver's seat of his car. Like everyone else in my family, he lost everything when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. Now he sits in my driveway on a Saturday night in LaPlace trying to understand why.

"Them people blew them levees," he says, looking at me, puffing on his cigarette. "They wanted to save the white people Uptown, but they ain't know it was gonna be this bad."

I just look at him when he says this. He's sincere, not a trace of doubt in his voice. Some people might call him crazy for believing a theory like that. But truth is, he's not alone, far from it. Last month I went to Arlington and visited some of my in-laws, who evacuated there. When the subject of Katrina and the levees came up, all of them went to talking the exact same way.

"That's how they do us."

"They ain't want us there in the first place."

"So you know they don't want us back."

"And they wonder why people down there runnin' up in stores."

I sat on the couch that night and listened to them go at it for about an hour. None of them seemed unreasonable. None of them seemed crazy. Everybody just seemed pissed off. Their homes were gone, their jobs too. Somebody had to be responsible. But when it got down to figuring out who, the only one any of them could agree on was "they."

"They" have existed in New Orleans for years, generations really, all the way back to 1965 when Hurricane Betsy hit the city and those same levees along the Industrial Canal collapsed. Back then, the lower Ninth Ward flooded just like it did during Katrina. Eight feet of water poured into the neighborhood and covered the eaves of most one-story houses. The people, most of them poor and black, climbed onto their rooftops and waited for help. And even though Betsy's storm surge wasn't as strong as Katrina's, and even though the water didn't sit as long, the horror stories afterwards were still about the same.

"I remember seeing dead bodies tied to telephone poles, floating in the water," a co-worker of mine named Horace once told me. Horace was 16 when Betsy hit. He waited out the storm and the water in the lower Ninth Ward on the second floor of his uncle's house. He remembered having to beg his uncle not to try to swim across the street to save one of their neighbors who was trapped in her attic. His uncle didn't. The neighbor eventually drowned in that attic.

When it was all over, Betsy killed at least 60 people in Louisiana, a small number compared to Katrina, but when the people of the lower Ninth Ward found out their neighborhood took the brunt of the hit because a levee collapsed, the controversy started. For them the levee failing wasn't an accident. It was a sacrifice, another example of white people looking out for themselves. It was in this environment that "they" first appeared and became a part of New Orleans folklore.

"We could hear 'em that night," Horace said, "blowing the levees. They knew if they didn't, the water was gonna get to the French Quarter or to the white people uptown. And they didn't want that."

Hearing my cousin echo those same words tonight, I can see that after Katrina, the folklore shows no signs of dying. Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson would seem to agree.

"I was stunned in New Orleans," he told NBC's Meet The Press, "at how many black New Orleanians would tell me with real conviction that somehow the levee breaks had been engineered. These are not wild-eyed people," he said. "These are reasonable, sober people who really believe that."

Louis Farrakhan even claims he has proof. According to Newsmax.com, Farrakhan said that Mayor Ray Nagin told him about a 25-foot crater that exists under the Industrial Canal levee. Proof enough for Farrakhan that the levees were blown up to get black people out of New Orleans.

"They know what they doing," my cousin looks over to me and says. "They trying to run us out the city to get our land."

The land has always been a part of the folklore. For years the leaders of New Orleans have been approving plans to tear down the city's housing projects, which are mostly occupied by black people, and replace them with expensive condominiums. Uptown, the St. Thomas was the first to go. The Desire, in the Ninth Ward, soon followed. Now, on the Westbank, most of the Fisher has been demolished. And the other four seemed on their way out before Katrina even came. The result of all this is that a large part of the black community is being split up and shipped off to other areas. And as with the cases of the St. Thomas and Desire, when black people see white people moving in and taking over their part of town, conspiracy theories inevitably arise.


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Kenneth Cooper is a student at the University of New Orleans. This is his first published article.

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If it keeps on rainin/levee's going to break
Posted by: mesechabe on Dec 24, 2005 12:52 AM   
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Mr. Cooper: congratulations on your first published article and on having the clarity to take on this issue. I have heard about the blowing of the levees too, for years. The stuff of urban legends.

Other misconceptions rife among Americans include the notion that in New Orleans, all whites live on high ground, all blacks live on low ground and so on. A quote from a German photographer, prominently featured in Time/Life's book on Katrina, puts it baldly (and I'm paraphrasing): white men live on high ground, and the black man lives on low ground. When the water rises, the black man drowns and the white man stands on the bridge and watches.

The irony of the statement is as broad as the naivete.

A leisurely bicycle ride from Jackson Avenue to Jefferson Avenue would dispel that notion. Another is the notion of the uniformly "upscale" nature of the Lakeview neighborhood. There are large sections of Lakeview that are inhabited by working people of both races. A lot of people don't know that the infamous 17th street canal borders Lakeview. I helped a friend remove salvageable property from his apartment about six blocks from the break. It wasn't nothing nice. The mold reached a height of fourteen feet. The water had come up eleven. The couple who live there teach English and History at your school, UNO. They have two young children. They are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination.

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the sad thing is, there is reason to believe this
Posted by: jimsenter on Dec 24, 2005 2:30 AM   
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Now I'm not saying that the levees were sabotaged, other than the sabotage of decades of malign neglect- but there are reasons to believe this.

Levees were dynamited in 1927, to save the rich people of New Orleans and flooding out the Cajuns and the Creoles south of town. So it's happened before. This is documented history.

And the sad thing is, there were many white people in the suburbs who DIDN'T want black people there. Who are just as happy that the disaster happened. What was the name of that La. state legislator who said afterward "Well we finally managed to clean up public housing in New Orleans." He spoke for a lot of people. I'm ashamed to say, many of those people are in my family.

Just like any conspiracy theory, this one didn't materialize TOTALLY out fo thin air.

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» misquote Posted by: repo
OK, check this out!
Posted by: Pepper on Dec 24, 2005 4:26 AM   
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Don't forget to cut and paste.

http://www.halturnershow.com/

DiversFindExplosiveResidueOnRupturedLevy.html

and this

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

(this was a Reuters article on a woman who testified before congress who had credibility who clearly stated she heard two explosions before the levee broke)

So, remember, if there is a basis, a conspiracy theory is not a theory, its a foundation for further investigation. I think this qualifies.

Remember:

"Truth passes through three stages, first it is rediculed, second it is violently opposed and finally it is accepted as self evident" Shopenhauer, 1700's

I think there is sufficient evidence provided to call for (at the very least) an investigation to put it to rest. I believe all subsequent actions on the part of FEMA supports some intention here and don't forget the war games that Bush attended in Colorado Springs with the military on the day of the levee burst . I live in Colorado and I was shocked he was there instead of in NO leading the nation in its recovery.

Those war games gave me pause, since they were about a city being destroyed by Nukes and the after math was part of the war games. Remember, even with suits you can't get into a nuked area for three days. That is how long FEMA prevented any aid getting into the people or allowing anyone to leave. I think they were testing how long it would take people to die and who they would be.

Just my humble opinion.

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» RE: OK, check this out! Posted by: patvic1405
» RE:http:// halturnershow.com is a racist site! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» RE: OK, check this out! Thanks!! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
Neglect is the same
Posted by: rjd7291 on Dec 24, 2005 6:28 AM   
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What's the difference whether the levees were blown up or neglected to the point where they were certain to fail in a major storm, which certainly happened. The result was the same, as was the intent behind the result.

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» RE: Neglect is the same Posted by: redjenny
Racial cleansing alone is not the reason
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 24, 2005 6:28 AM   
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Do you really think rural LA that is dominated by white middle class folks is any better? Plenty of damage there but you don't see Bush fixing it, not that he'd bother to help rural America after he got their votes based on hot button issues anyway. Like everything else, Bush and GOP had no intention of keeping critical domestic programs intact but was too eager to waste it on a failed war in Iraq. It wasn't racial cleansing alone but continued cleansing of the lower and middle class and then redefining them just like the past 25 years.

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goldbeachsarah
Posted by: goldonthebeach on Dec 24, 2005 7:18 AM   
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The gentrificatin is happening all over, i have no doubt it was a planned explosion of the levees, The Usa is all about money/greed and hiding the poor, or killing us, through prisons, drugs , cigarettes, lack of health care or quality food, since bush is in office the prison industrial complex has quadrupled in prisoner count, mandatory sentences with the privatation of prisons, this is just housing for the poor to get people to work for 35 cents an hour , just slavery, thats all it is, now they dont have to have the shipping costs from third world countries doing the work for the rich, It all just makes me so sick, in a way its covert but once one starts looking its very open and in our face. They say education is power but what I've found with my education is a lot of greif.

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» RE: goldbeachsarah Posted by: Pepper
Ironically...
Posted by: kablooie on Dec 24, 2005 7:33 AM   
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Here in Memphis, a majority black city with black mayors (both city and county), a controversial land-grab is taking place. The city/county government is targeting a large property in the center city that has been used for the past 100-plus years as the site for the State Fair. It is adjacent to the only Amusement Park in a 200-mile radius which also happens to be the largest employer of inner-city teens. The city has neglected the area for years but now wants to sell it off to wealthy developers for condos and strip malls. Funny thing is: I'm fighting it, my friends are even making a documentary of the whole effort to save this area from demolition -- and most of us are white! What a topsy-turvy world. The only real racism is GREED.
Another irony: the name of the Amusement Park? LIBERTY-Land.

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» RE: Ironically... Posted by: aonghus36
"Where Has All of Our Compassion Gone?"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 24, 2005 8:38 AM   
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There's a conspiracy concerning New Orleans all right: a conspiracy of neglect for "Sin City of the South." It's the "what have you done for me lately" excuse, or the "you don't produce" excuse. Never mind that New Orleans was the birthplace of much of american music, that it is, in its own way, a large piece of America's soul; to a government that values only money and commerce – especially commerce that involves multinational corporations – New Orleans, with its poor population and miniscule tax base, didn't have much to offer; after all, the port and the refineries were elsewhere.

It is appalling to think that an entire city can be written off by a government simply because it doesn't provide enough revenue to that government, but that seems to be the case. Is the Bush administration waiting for psychological conditions there to get dire enough that New Orleans will welcome back a 21st-century version of the carpetbaggers, by letting corporations rip it off just to get anything accomplished?

New Orleans after Katrina will stand for decades as an example of how our government has turned mean and uncaring. New Orleans also stands as "the canary in the mine" to warn the rest of us about what we can expect if we let our country continue down this road. We americans need to stop being afraid to confront our disfunctional government, and by our numbers force our "leaders" to remember their duty to all of us, not just the wealthy elite. And they can start by remembering New Orleans.

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And I suppose you also believe
Posted by: fifthworld on Dec 24, 2005 9:18 AM   
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that the Twin Towers steel structures were felled by jet fuel explosions.

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» RE: And I suppose you also believe Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» The aircraft carrier Posted by: ABetterFuture
Truth, Lies, and Cover-ups
Posted by: BlueFlorida on Dec 24, 2005 11:47 AM   
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Is it conspiracy, or cover-up? It's the later.

Besides what people say who survived flooding, I'm going to go by what I heard myself from the Army Corp of Engineer representative on CNN the morning after Katrina and what a friend of mine who took shelter in the downtown Hilton said. Both are two extremely credible sources.

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I can hardly believe
Posted by: mrjones on Dec 24, 2005 1:17 PM   
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that alternet would publish an article that basically accuses people of color of being silly and delusional, but it's ok because the author is black too? Sounds like another rent-a-negro!

"they" don't have to form an official organization for people to point the finger at in order to conspire in a numer of unofficial ways pursue a common set of goals. The truth is that conspiracy normallly occurs without any kind of formal collusion.

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The Stench is still strong,keep the story ALIVE
Posted by: placid on Dec 24, 2005 1:21 PM   
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I suppose it would be totally unfair to say this story is "dead".This writer gave up on the bantering right pointing its Narly crooked finger at anyone saying"hey,this was an act of God and nothin' more.As the wealthiest in the city hired Privatized soldiers ( the "neo-con army in their future dreams. "I have no faith in this Bush administration to do right for the majority ,now by numbers are more in poverty than middle class.And with recent revelations of illegal wire tapping and suveillence every American of all ethnic, religious groups, racial andpolitical persuations need take notice these "politicians" can make an arguement for ANYTHING they do so long as they convince people it is in their best interests!PLAIN AND SIMPLE,AS A JEFFERSONIAN DEMOCRACY, WE CAN NOT TURN OUR BACKS CLOSE OUR EYES AND cover our ears as THEy INSTILL AND GIVE POWER to the TRUE EVILDOers IN OUR GOVERNMENT. As citizens we need to question and question. This administration is the most self centered I have seen.Any President who tries to fool the people that breaking the law is acceptable,asks a major newspaper who had the story to sit on it, branded as the New York "liberal press"plus the opposite persuasion in D.C.lets take a look at "mainstream"=Money=corruption.Listen, study, seek facts, Question over and over discrepencies if you love this democracy and acknowledge we have had and now have corruption,STUDY HISTORY the record of working corruption done over and over and how ,divide and conquer works.ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS OF ALL OUR LEADERS.2006 is to be the year of truth and the revisiting of many concepts begininning with "I." Mary Basombrio, Portland Oregon 12/24/05

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You Need A Grasp Of History
Posted by: deadringer on Dec 24, 2005 2:30 PM   
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It is true that you cannot run around and make nebulous accusations - it does no one any good. At the same time you should try to obtain a little knowledge regarding the history of your area.

You make a point of these people who make accusations as being ill-educated, it takes away from your writing - it becomes a denegration of the people in general. Someone who tries to dismiss, out of hand, the idea of conspiracy has been educated well by this system - unfortunately real life is filled with the plans of men. There is little that happens without a plan of some sort, or someone planning to take advantage of a given situation - that is conspiracy, and there are very few conspiracies that do not benefit in some way the conspirators (hence an answer as to why they would want to purge the poor from this area). It does not require a hugh sum of people, it does not have to be monsterous in intent - that is still a conspiracy. If you believe in the "accidental" theory of history, you are poorly educated and incapable of employing critical thinking - in fact, you are prime material for being duped by anyone in power.

The problem we have today is that racism is not the "in your face" type of racism, it is a deep under current - it takes place while people retort that they are "color blind." It is a systemic issue, one that can be discovered in the foundations of the institutions of this country (USA) - in fact, in the entire makeup of the Western alliance. Racism is not an act, it is an endemic condition.

Racism is profitable - it takes from the poor and gives to the rich. It villifies a group of people, and does everything in it's power to steal - see the war in Iraq and how it's people are portrayed in major corporate media. Racism is also omissive, it does not require an overt act - see the poor black people being ignored and now further obscured right after the Katrina disaster. The point of the problem cannot be pushed merely into the neat category of poverty, because where you find poverty you indelibly find people of color - it is either the most complicated "accident" in history, or the process of a devious plan, that is now institutionalized (making it almost invisible to those who are priviledged), which plays to the darker side of the nature of men.

Do you want evidence? Look at history.

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» Catastrophe Pigs Posted by: mortarthegovernment
» RE: Catastrophe Pigs Posted by: deadringer
» RE: You Need A Grasp Of History Posted by: deadringer
YOU NEED A GRASP OF HISTORY II
Posted by: deadringer on Dec 24, 2005 10:43 PM   
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Look at history - from the founding of this nation you have all people other than "White" being regarded as "three-fifths" human (see 1st Article of Constitution). Furthermore, this cannot be relegated to the mere act of voting - because the value of a person in the voting sphere cannot be denigrated without an act of racism in this context. Look at the Declaration of Independence, everyone is created equal except the "savages" (indigenous people), and than behold the genocide of these people in the westward expansion. To be frank, this nation was built on racism, the importation of black people mercilessly kidnapped, exported and fully exploited. The wealth of this country, was fueled by the human and material resources stolen from the continent of Africa. Trillions were stolen (that is why I laugh at "debt forgiveness") - the process continues to this day, from the depletion of the male population through war and other means of genocide so that they cannot advance (the US does this all over the world).

New Orleans was the center of slavery for a number of years, the Rotunda was used as one massive slave selling block which fed this travesty. To the point of this article - the levee's were not only blown up once, but twice! Don't know where to find that information? I rest my case about the selective education process in this country - that is how articles like this can be written. If something is done once, shame on them, if it is done twice and possibly three times than shame on me. There are more people who claim that the levee's were blown than merely poorly educated people - why don't you go find some of the more articulate accusers? Why don't you ask some questions about the stolen funds to rebuild the levee's and the coastline?

Rather than concentrating on the poor education of the people, why don't you ask the question "why are they so poorly educated?" It is there you will find the answer of the present condition in New Orleans, because a second rate education in neglected neighborhoods creates victims without remedy! Why don't you ask why "they do not have more opportunities to better themselves?" Than when you have finished with these questions ask yourself - "why does this happen not just in this area of the country to the black population, but why are there so many other areas in the country with the same population make-up and the same problems?"

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» a small point Posted by: slankc
» RE: a small point Posted by: deadringer
They Probably Did...!
Posted by: Cy Nicks on Dec 25, 2005 9:49 PM   
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I think recent facts lend credence to the theory that, "they blew the dike".

1. The walls were built to specification (and better), and the designs were good!

2. The storm was really a Category 3, and not a 4 or a 5 as originally reported.

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» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: billfaster
» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: billfaster
» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: Roverton
» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: billfaster
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» RE: They Probably Did...! Posted by: kelt65
Scientific Analysis
Posted by: deadringer on Dec 26, 2005 12:46 AM   
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Keep in mind that the levee broke the day after the hurricane passed, just in case you forgot. Landfall evidence of the hurricane gives us a different story - storm surge comes with the hurricane, only as the hurricane comes ashore. Once the hurricane approachs land it blows in the opposite direction AWAY from the land - after all, it moves in a counterclock form. This does away with the fallacies of surge delay, it is simply impossible - and this is what the levee failure is based on.

Secondly, the levee failure has nothing to do with anything earthen, there were fourty foot tall verticle beams pile drived into steel reinforced concrete. Plain earth has nothing to do with the problem. I mention this because some who reported the incident kept talking about the earth shifting, and over-topping which just was not in evidence.

When you see the evidence (and I have), there is no stretched membrane nonsense like some have reported, solid steel in reinforced concrete do not stretch like a membrane. What you do see is the evidence of sudden massive force - concrete and metal twisted and shattered, more like an explosion, not mere water effect. I'll leave the conclusions up to you - try to think soundly.

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» RE: Scientific Analysis Posted by: kelt65
Bush is responsible #1
Posted by: azureblue on Dec 26, 2005 6:26 AM   
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June 7, 2001
Bush signed his massive $1.3 trillion income tax cut into law—a tax cut that severely depleted the government of revenues it needed to address critical priorities. Bush’s first budget introduced in February 2001 proposed more than half a billion dollars worth of cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers for the 2002 fiscal year. Bush proposed providing only half of what his own administration officials said was necessary to sustain the critical Southeast Louisiana Flood Control Project (SELA)—a project started after a 1995 rainstorm flooded 25,000 homes and caused a half billion dollars in damage.

February 2002
The president unveiled his new budget, this one with a $390 million cut to the Army Corps. The cuts came during the same year the richest 5 percent (those who make an average of $300,000 or more) were slated to receive $24 billion in new tax cuts. The cuts were devastating. The administration provided just $5 million for maintaining and upgrading critical hurricane protection levees in New Orleans—one fifth of what government experts and Republican elected officials in Louisiana told the administration was needed. Likewise, the administration had been informed that SELA needed $80 million to keep its work moving at full speed, but the White House only proposed providing a quarter of that. These cuts came even though the potential cost of not improving infrastructure was known to be astronomical. A widely-circulated 1998 report on Louisiana’s insurance risks said a serious storm could inflict $27 billion worth of damage. As the Denver Post later reported, “the Southeast Louisiana Flood Control project sought $100 million in U.S. aid to strengthen the levees holding back the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, but the Bush administration offered a paltry $16.5 million.” The Chicago Tribune noted that the Army Corps of Engineers had also requested $27 million to pay for hurricane protection upgrades around Lake Pontchartrain—but the White House pared that back to $3.9 million.
Gaps in levees around Lake Pontchartrain, which were supposed to be filled by 2004, would not be filled because of budget shortfalls. Corps officials told the Times-Picayune in April “that the lack of money will leave gaps in the structure, weakening its effectiveness and pushing back its completion date.

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Bush is responsible #2
Posted by: azureblue on Dec 26, 2005 6:30 AM   
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A COMPARISON OF PREVIOUS HURRICANE RESPONSES:

President Nixon -- August 1969 when Cat-5 Hurricane Camille hit roughly the same area as Katrina, President Nixon had already readied the National Guard and ordered all Gulf rescue vessels and equipment from Tampa and Houston to follow the Hurricane in. There were over 1,000 regular military with two dozen helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard within hours after the skies cleared.

President Clinton -- September 1999, Hurricane Floyd -- Cat-3, was bearing down on the Carolinas and Virginia. President Clinton was in Christchurch, New Zealand - meeting with President Jiang of China. He made the proclamation that only Presidents can make and declared the areas affected by Floyd "Federal Disaster Areas" so the National Guard and Military can begin to mobilize. Then he cut short his meetings overseas and flew home to coordinate the rescue efforts. All one day BEFORE a Cat-3 hit the coast.

President Bush (41) -- August 1992 -- was in the midst of a campaign for re-election. Yet, he cut off his campaigning the day before and went to Washington where he martialed the largest military operation on US soil in history. He sent in 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military personnel, and all the gear to begin the clean up within hours after Andrew passed through Florida.

George Bush (43) -- August 2005 -- Cat-5 Hurricane Katrina bears down on New Orleans and the Mississippi gulf. Both states are down nearly 8,000 National Guard troops because they are in Iraq -- with most of the rescue gear needed.
Bush is on vacation. The day before Katrina makes landfall, Bush rides his bike for two hours. The day Katrina hits, he goes to John McCain's birthday party, and lies to old people about the multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical company welfare boondoggle.

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Bush is responsible #3
Posted by: azureblue on Dec 26, 2005 6:30 AM   
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HURRICANE FRANCES HITS FLORIDA:
FROM THE ATLANTIC MAGAZINE November, 2005
“Imagine if, in advance of Hurricane Katrina, thousands of trucks had been waiting with water and ice and medicine and other supplies. Imagine if 4,000 National Guardsmen and an equal number of emergency aid workers from around the country had been moved into place, and five million meals had been ready to serve. Imagine if scores of mobile satellite-communications stations had been prepared to move in instantly, ensuring that rescuers could talk to one another. Imagine if all this had been managed by a federal-and-state task force that not only directed the government response but also helped coordinate the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and other outside groups.
This requires no imagination: it is exactly what the Bush administration did a year ago when Florida braced for Hurricane Frances. It was two months before the presidential election, and Florida's twenty-seven electoral votes were hanging in the balance. It is hardly surprising that Washington ensured the success of "the largest response to a natural disaster we've ever had in this country." The president himself passed out water bottles to Floridians driven from their homes.”

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» RE: Bush is responsible #3 Posted by: katrina911
the sad thing is/ part 2
Posted by: jimsenter on Dec 26, 2005 7:42 AM   
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This is a complex situation with complex motivations, not all of them evil. While ethnic cleansing is a goal of people of both races, so is opposition to such.

check out the article in today's Times-Picayune

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/
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'Not in my back yard' cry holding up FEMA trailers
Emotional tone of opposition hints at role of stereotypes of race, class
Monday, December 26, 2005
By Rob Nelson
and James Varney

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LET'S REMEMBER THE F-IN POINT
Posted by: jimsenter on Dec 26, 2005 7:49 AM   
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This discussion seems to me to be losing the point. The point is, how can we rebuild one of this country's most unique and wonderful cities- FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RETURN HERE? This is not an excuse for "History of racism 101" or anything else.

And while I agree that a clear view of the challenges we face is necessary, and that includes the history of how we came to be where and what and who we are, but the fact remains, that every day that goes by without emergency shelter being provided, every week that goes by without the right of return being officially acknowledged, that many more people decide to put down roots where the winds of Katrina happened to blwo them, and we are that much nearer the realization of the neoCON wet dream of a Disneyfied, white bread city.

This arguing doesn't help at all, IMHO.

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» RE: LET'S REMEMBER THE F-IN POINT Posted by: deadringer
READ THIS BOOK: RISING TIDE
Posted by: haystack1317 on Dec 26, 2005 8:31 PM   
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If you wonder who the supposedly unidentifiable "they" is, you have to go back further than 1965. The strongest evidence that "they" would blow levies to protect their own comes from the 1927 flood, when the powerful and wealthy in New Orleans bypased the normal channels of government and did just that. The lessons of 1927 have largely faded into the background, but they're not gone. They formed the sensibilities of our grandparents and great-grandparents, which affect us all whether we know it or not. And THEIR grandparents and great-grandparents lived in times of slavery. If the anger still seems naive and the questions out of place, we are operating with no sense of history whatsoever.

RISING TIDE is a powerful book that explains a lot about the history of the Mississippi River and the levees of New Orleans. The events surrounding the 1927 flood created huge changes in American life, across the board. Hoover would never have become president without it. Many African-Americans shifted to the Democratic Party because of the way Republicans handled it. The flood inspired many African-Americans to seek work in northern factories rather than stay on Southern plantations. One example of why this might have taken place? At one point during the flood, in Mississippi, black male sharecroppers were ordered to lie in piles on top of the levee to hold the water back.

Here's one description of one small aspect of the book:

"New Orleans was never in any real danger from the flood of 1927. Too many levees had given way upstream for the flood waters to threaten the great port city. Nevertheless, the bankers and businessmen decided to prop up the confidence of their investors by dynamiting the levees downriver from their city and turning 10,000 of their neighbors into refugees. The refugees, with very few exceptions, were never reimbursed for their lost property and mangled lives."

History repeats itself. The Bush bungling of this catastrophe (and everything else) may eventually lead to an FDR-style sweep to the left. Of course, between the Flood of '27 and the era of reform, we experienced the Great Depression. We'll see how far we have to go before the pendulum swings back.

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» RE: AD THIS BOOK: RISING TIDE Posted by: US American
the Mexicans
Posted by: geming on Dec 27, 2005 6:13 AM   
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Can anyone explain this bit a little or direct me where to find more out about the mexicans "taking over"? I wasn't aware of this and would like to know some other opinions.

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» RE: the Mexicans Posted by: beausoleil
Does anyone know of worthy volunteer opportunities?
Posted by: lynettemartyn on Dec 29, 2005 8:06 PM   
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I can donate 1 -2 weeks of my time to heklp out in New Orleans, but I dont have a lot of money for my room and board. Please advise if you know of any organizations I would be suitable to work with. I have a lot of experience in cooking, childcare, teaching and education. Im not experienced in carpentry etc, but I am happy to pick up a hammer or paintbrush and try my best. lynettemartyn@yahoo.com

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Does anyone know of worthy volunteer opportunities?
Posted by: lynettemartyn on Dec 29, 2005 8:06 PM   
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I can donate 1 -2 weeks of my time to heklp out in New Orleans, but I dont have a lot of money for my room and board. Please advise if you know of any organizations I would be suitable to work with. I have a lot of experience in cooking, childcare, teaching and education. Im not experienced in carpentry etc, but I am happy to pick up a hammer or paintbrush and try my best. lynettemartyn@yahoo.com

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the "levees blown" is distraction from FEMA's blocking of aid
Posted by: permatopia on Jan 3, 2006 12:14 AM   
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Liberal/progressives need to learn how the wildest claims are floated in order to discredit serious examination of scandal.

Truth seeking is a two front war -- challenging the "limited hang outs" (the fall back claims to the official story) and distracting disinformation on the other hand.

The Katrina limited hang out is that FEMA was "incompetent."

The best evidence:

FEMA is a police state agency focused on “continuity of government.”

FEMA blocked aid shipments and unplugged local governmental communication systems (which is malicious, not incompetent).

FEMA now has experience evacuating an entire city, implementing martial law and is building semi-permanent camps for former citizens of New Orleans.

If there is a nuclear attack on a US city, or a bird flu pandemic, FEMA’s treatment of New Orleans shows how the federal government will deal with it.

FEMA's response to Katrina reveals the plan for coping with Peak Oil: deliberately ignore the warnings about the crisis, let the poor drown, and suppress grassroots mitigation efforts.


The disinformation:

A few websites with a history of hoaxes (unintentional or deliberate) claim the levees were demolished -- the first was a white supremacist (Hal Turner) with a track record of violent threats (not investigative reporting). While Louisiana has a history of levees being breached during floods (ruin your neighbor to save yourself), the levees broke at the height of the storm, as predicted by many media articles for many years. It is unlikely the levees were deliberately breached, but it is true that New Orleans, if rebuilt, will have been ethnically cleansed of its poorest citizens.
http://www.oilempire.us/katrina.html

This is similar to how disinformation is used to discredit looking at how 9/11 was deliberately allowed to happen -- create hoaxes ("no plane hit Pentagon") and use them to ridicule the enormous evidence of complicity.

A good place to start is the Complete 9/11 Timeline, entirely sourced to mainstream news and official testimony. This timeline was created by the Center for Cooperative Research - www.cooperativeresearch.org and it is the best research guide for anyone interested in understanding the truths of 9/11.

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FEMA, etc.
Posted by: candara on Jan 5, 2006 1:42 AM   
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I was in the '94 earthquake in LA, and lost everything in it. Most people had to immediately evacuate their apts. without food, clothes, cars, etc. FEMA came along very late (people were living on the streets in makeshift tents, etc.). They "gave" everyone living on the streets $20,000. to get their lives started again. Then, a year or 2 later, they billed those people for the 20 grand plus interest. But, they did NOT tell the people in advance it was a loan with interest. It was supposed to be support from the gov't. Imagine the shock. BTW, this was in a predominantly upper-middle/middle class, white neighborhood. I do believe there's validity to the thought that an ethnic cleansing may have been going on in NO. Unfortunately, that's nothing new. But FEMA has always been horrible. -Candra

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I hope there happy
Posted by: trevorbar21 on Jan 15, 2006 6:52 PM   
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I'm from Lakeview i lived right off of West End near the levee broke. In the city there are very tense racial conflicts, but i dont think they sabatoged the levee, because why Lakeview its a mix of all races and such. Its a normal neighborhood not very bad. Most of the city is under sea level so OF COURSE they would be FLOODED, and the levee along the industrial Canal are boarded with these old boat docks so i would be surprised if they broke, the "bad neighborhoods" of New Orleans are away from the river so there far below sea level. Uptown is situated up on higher ground because there closer to the River. There situated there because of the wealthy Riverboat Captains not because of the racism of the city. Also the wealthiest area in the area, Old Metaire, got flooded, in some areas they got flooded up to 5-6 feet, so how could this be racial. Of course theres gonna be more black casualties because the city is mostly black.

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