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Loving Nuclear Power

By Peter Asmus, AlterNet. Posted December 21, 2005.


Why are growing numbers of 'green' visionaries hopping on the bandwagon of the most ill-conceived and dangerous energy source in the world?
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One would think that environmentalists these days would be giddy over the high price of fossil fuels such as oil and natural gas. It has long been the prediction that when these finite and polluting fuels increased in cost due to supply shortages, that we as a society would finally make the transition to the renewable, sustainable energy system that has always seemed to lie just out-of-reach, beckoning to us just over the horizon.

But then something shocking happened. Growing numbers of "green" visionaries started beating the drum for more nuclear power, a technology that in the past has been a lightening rod to spur on activists to protest and demand for a greater reliance upon efficiency and solar, wind and other renewable energy technologies.

Among those endorsing the process of splitting atoms to generate the majority of our future electricity are the following "environmentalists:"

  • James Lovelock, the fellow from London who came up the "Gaia" theory of the earth being a self-regenerating organism, proclaimed that nuclear power was "the only green solution" to our power supply woes, maintaining that there wasn't enough time to allow renewable energy technologies to fill the gap.
  • The Bay Area's Stewart Brand, the utopian thinker behind the "Whole Earth Catalog," echoed Lovelock's claims, adding that the nuclear power industry's half century of experience rendered concerns about safety and waste as obsolete.
  • Patrick Moore, co-founder of the radical Greenpeace activist group, has proclaimed: "There is now a great deal of scientific evidence showing nuclear power to be an environmentally sound and safe choice."

Nuclear power is suddenly in vogue. Even the alternative LA Weekly newspaper has a two-part feature touting nuclear power by author Judith Lewis, whose blog is entitled "Another Green World." In essence, she argues the good outweighs the bad when it comes to nuclear power. "Is it possible that we have come to this: a choice between a catastrophic warming trend and the most feared energy source on earth?" she asks in the first of a two part series entitled "How I tried to stop worrying and love nuclear power."

Our federal government has now launched a "Nuclear Power 2010" program that hopes to jump-start a nuclear industry that has not constructed a new power plant in two decades. Certainly, the biggest push for nuclear has come from the Bush Administration. While visiting a Maryland nuclear power plant earlier this year, President Bush proclaimed: "There is a growing consensus that more nuclear power will lead to a cleaner, safer nation. It is time for this country to start building nuclear power plants again." But you can add Democratic Senators Joe Liebermann of Connecticut and Barack Obama of Illinois to the growing list of federal lawmakers calling for the construction of new nuclear power plants.

I first learned about nuclear power in my own backyard when I was living in Sacramento, California in the late 1980s. A laundry list of safety, environmental and economic issues resulted in a ballot initiative vote to close the Rancho Seco nuclear power plant in 1989. Energy experts across the country predicted that the owner of this nuke -- the Sacramento Municipal Utility District (SMUD) -- would be in dire straits once such a large portion of its power supply portfolio went away.

Interestingly enough, SMUD's closure of its nuclear power plant was the best thing to happen as it was forced to launch major solar, wind and energy efficiency programs. Instead of being viewed as one of the biggest losers among electric utilities, SMUD's embracing of clean power sources helped this troubled municipal utility turn around, gaining it respect from around the world. SMUD is now in the process of expanding its service territory due, in part, to its progressive and attractive clean power plans.

The underlying assumption of those now clamoring for a major expansion of nuclear power is that the threat of global climate change is so great, that we have no other choice. What a bunch of baloney! Wind and solar power have been the fastest growing power sources globally over the past several years, and we have barely begin to tap these abundant non-polluting and increasingly cost-effective sources of power.

Today, wind power is already cheaper than the dominant competition -- natural gas-fired power plants -- in many regions of this country and the rest of the world. Solar power, though still expensive, is the kind of modular, small-scale and customer-friendly power sources that allow communities, businesses and individuals to take control of their own energy needs, the key trend of the future if we truly want to become sustainable.

The cost (and time involved) in adding a whole new fleet of nuclear reactors around the world is just as staggering as the alternative route: a gradual shift to all renewable energy fuels, including solar, wind, geothermal steam, biomass (including urban waste streams), hydroelectric, wave, ocean current and tidal power technologies. Renewable energy technologies keep dollars in communities and spread far greater amounts of good jobs throughout rural and urban areas, In contrast, nuclear power concentrates power and money into the same entities that created our current power supply woes in the first place.


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Peter Asmus is author of "Reaping The Wind, Reinventing Electric Utilities and In Search of Environmental Excellence."

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Good article
Posted by: WhatNow? on Dec 21, 2005 4:09 AM   
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Nuclear power is green? Hardy har har har! Sounds like another pipe dream that only an idiot could like.

The author does not even mention thermal pollution of river systems. Another aspect I am sure that the utility industry and bush administration will show great conern. Excuse the sarcasm.

The authors mention of decentralized power generation would be a nightmare for neocon visions.

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Oh boy. With out of control nuclear power in the works,
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 21, 2005 6:43 AM   
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get ready to watch this nation be even more vulnerable to terrorism. With renewable energy at least, there are major savings, economically, environmentally, and national security wise. It's a shame that the Republicans and much of the Democrats, even the liberal ones, are falling for this trap. And don't forget that with deregulation and lax security, the terrorism crisis will only get worse. And people who call themselves "green" want to tell us that only nuclear energy is the solution? Apparently, like all other culture issues, these people and politicians just want to keep the terrorism boiling pot simmering without solving the problem. It's bad enough that Yucca Mountain's being misused to store unusable nuclear waste. What's next, storing the waste on every single mountain top?

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bad disposal sites
Posted by: Media_max on Dec 21, 2005 6:57 AM   
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I suggest everyone start listening to more podcasts, I have found them to sometimes beat the lead/lag relationship of web/blog/print media in our ever converging global world. Nuclear is actually our best hope and for you to be against it, is to be against evolution in my opinion, and change. Getting rid of the waste is the biggest problem and the solution...

Australia. The only really good place to dump the waste because well.. no major fault lines, dry, low temp changes, basically a stable environment. I heard a great discussion on ABC radio (Aussi radio) about the world dumping the waste in western Austrailia and it being a difficult place for terrorists to get, harm to environment, etc. Plus for someone to be worried about nuclear threats and terrorists must not be keeping with the time, since we are moving drastically farwards towards nuclear energy where we can not make dirty bombs from them. The only big problem is getting the worlds waste to Austrailia, maybe you'll need to send an army with it (for the waste that can still make dirty bombs).

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Nuclear is our only solution to what?
Posted by: Dio on Dec 21, 2005 7:15 AM   
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Personally, I see no advantages to nuclear power.


It is centralized making LARGE swaths of the population vulnerable. It is EXPENSIVE. It is an environmental nightmare for many many reasons.


Wouldn't a decentralized power grid serve our national security intrests MUCH better? Or is national security on good if it makes corporate political donars even MORE money/power?


There are many ways to skin a cat... and I don't see nuclear being a good one.

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» montana freeman Posted by: montana freeman
What about the alternatives?
Posted by: Drmark on Dec 21, 2005 7:14 AM   
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I am all for the use of renewable energy...but it does not provide a perfect substitute for all current power needs everywhere...my house is an example, tree locked so i can't use solar or wind, only biomass and that is a lot of work to chop wood even for a small household and I have to work also! The same is true with other homes and especially light and heavy industry.
Second we have inexpensive, safe and highly reliable nuclear power plants all over the world in ships and subs...they have the best record in the world but no one will buy them for a city!? What is that about? Bigger is better (i.e. more profit and more danger) and help kill the nuclear industry. Those same cost unconsious people are the last ones you want building power plants.
Third energy is still cheap...undercutting alternative approaches...the price of oil needs to triple for alternative energy to barely get into the energy market...just like it is in Europe and elsewhere.
Fourth, I tried to find alternative sources for my home...there are very few reliable systems in the US if you want to make your own electricity...they are very expensive and only work a portion of the day you still need the grid for some time.
Fifth, how do you get people in a democracy to cut back on energy usage? I don't have an answer short of a world crisis to alter usage habits. That may still be many years away.
So nuclear may or may not be an answer...but alternative energy sources have a way to go also.

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Nuclear won't go anywhere - think "Peak" Uranium
Posted by: Casey Burns on Dec 21, 2005 7:30 AM   
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There was an interesting economic analysis on nuclear power at financialsense.com that gave a pessimistic look at Uranium, the fuel for nuclear power. Bottom line is that we are running out of it. According to the article, most of what is being used today is being "mined" from unused decommissioned warheads.

See www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/ti/2005/1211.html

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Our "choice" isn't a choice at all.
Posted by: sofun on Dec 21, 2005 8:27 AM   
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a choice between a catastrophic warming trend and the most feared energy source on earth?

Wishful thinking, both of them. You've done a good job in your conclusion illustrating why nuclear isn't a viable solution to our energy crisis (cost, fossil fuel dependence, toxic waste), but you've missed the real "solution" - a fundamental shift in the way we live to use less energy. Unfortunately, Cheney is right that the American way of life is non-negotiable. No one wants to even hear that it's not sustainable, let alone change they way they actually live. In the end, our energy-consumption addiction will bring about massive disruption to our society on its own. The notion that nuclear power could even possibly be our saving grace is simply a grand delusion.

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Seriously not a long term solution
Posted by: jpinder on Dec 21, 2005 8:35 AM   
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this info taken from an extremely enlighting site www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

Even if these problems are assumed away, a large scale switch over to nuclear power is still not going to do all that much to solve our problems due to the cost and time frames involved in the of construction of nuclear power plants. s. It would take 10,000 of the largest nuclear power plants to produce the energy we get from fossil fuels. At $3-5 billion per plant, it's not long before we're talking about "real money" - especially since the $3-5 billion doesn't even include the cost of decommissioning old reactors, converting the nuclear generated energy into a fuel source appropriate for cars, boats, trucks, airplanes, and the not-so-minor problem of handling nuclear waste.

Where are we going to get the massive amounts of oil necessary to build hundreds, if not thousands, of these
reactors, especially since they take 10 or so years to build
and we won't get motivated to build them until after oil
supplies have reached a point of permanent scarcity?

Remember, once we get the reactors built, we still have the not-so-inexpensive task of retrofitting a significant portion of the following to run on nuclear-derived electricity:

1.700 million oil-powered cars traversing the world's
roads;
2.Millions of oil-powered airplanes crisscrossing the
world's skies;
3.Millions of oil-powered boats circumnavigating the
world's oceans.

Scientists have made some progress in regards to nuclear fusion, but the road from success in tabletop laboratory experiments to use as an industrial scale replacement for oil is an extremely long one that, even in the most favorable of circumstances, will take decades to traverse.

Again, as with other alternatives to petroleum, all forms of nuclear energy should certainly "be on the table." But if you're hoping that it's going to save you from the ramifications of Peak Oil, you are sorely mistaken.

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No ones mentioned actual costs, just how "expensive" are nuclear plants?
Posted by: TheBob on Dec 21, 2005 8:58 AM   
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No ones mentioned actual costs, just how "expensive" are nuclear plants?

This stricks me as rather strange since the costs per kilowatt hour that i've heard of from nuclear power is placed around 6 cents, while the cost per kilowatt hour from coal and oil is around 13-14 cents.

Unless you guys can bring out some number it just sounds like your trying to do some vague scare tactics.

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Understand, then decide. Try this nuke novel on the web
Posted by: James Aach on Dec 21, 2005 10:20 AM   
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I think it would be a good idea to better understand our current energy sources as we try to decide what our future sources should be. As a nuclear energy professional, I can say without hesitation that most people understand the Starship Enterprise far better than they do nuclear power. This is not the public's fault - there hasn't been an easy way to do it. (Frankly, movies/TV/news/pundits all get a lot wrong.) This is also not to say that understanding will lead to acceptance. It may not. There's a lot of both good and bad in nuclear power

To help folks get a clear picture of nuclear energy, I have written a techno-thriller novel about the American nuclear power industry, which is available at no cost on the Net. This book provides an entertaining and accurate portrait of a nuclear power plant and how an accident might be handled. “Rad Decision” is at RadDecision.blogspot.com.

"I'd like to see RAD DECISION widely read." - Stewart Brand, noted futurist and founder of The Whole Earth Catalog.

I hope you'll take the opportunity to look at Rad Decision.

http://RadDecision.blogspot.com

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Capstan
Posted by: Klaxton on Dec 21, 2005 11:49 AM   
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I used to think nuclear power plants were a really bad idea, but there are some promising developments now that make it worth revisiting. The problem of very long-lived nuclear waste is a definite show-stopper for me, but there are fast-neutron reactor designs now which basically burn up almost everything that would pose a serious long-term radiation hazard. In fact they could use existing depleted fuel rods and plutonium cores as fuel, rendering them far less dangerous. The end products decay to low levels in hundreds, not hundreds of thousands of years. We wouldn't even have to mine any more uranium for centuries.

The other big problem is the danger of accidents which could result in meltdowns or explosions and spread radioactive contamination across vast areas. I'm not as convinced this has been solved but there are some persuasive arguments that it has.

Unfortunately the alternatives are not seeming particularly viable. Our culture requires a huge amount of electricity. Wind and solar are great but they are not going to provide it all any time soon, so the only source for now is fossil fuels. When I compare the assured catastrophic impact of global warming against the *potential* dangers of nuclear power I can see a lesser of two evils.

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Not a solution, but an option
Posted by: Gakl on Dec 21, 2005 12:12 PM   
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While no one can claim that nuclear power provides an ideal solution. It certainly has it's benefits. Nuclear along w/ renewables will be absolutely necessary for sustaining our civilization as we know it.

Sure, we can cut back plenty and stop driving, but is this really going to happen? Who is going to put forward this 100% politically impractical solution in the US and get anywhere with it? No one is going to buy this plan. Therefore Nuclear must be an option on the table. The drawbacks are huge, but nuclear is less deadly than it once was.

Look at it this way, should we mine our warheads and use it to produce energy to sustain ours and other economies, it is one less warhead that could detonate on a city. The faster we use these deadly weapons up, the faster we are on a path to sustaining our civilization simply by reducing the threat of global destruction through nuclear war.

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Aslan365
Posted by: Aslan on Dec 21, 2005 12:59 PM   
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The article backs up none of its contentions, which appears to overpromote "alternative energy" sources while casting vague and unsupported negativity at nuclear power plants. It may very well be that use of nuclear power should not be a part of future energy goals--but this article certainly doesn't make that case. The article is for whipping up the True Believers, just as much as a Cheney speech on energy is. As long as there are those that are willing to be True Believers we will likely have to endure both. However, progress is only made by doing the hard work--measuring, counting, calculating, evaluating assumptions, experimenting, not once but iteratively, until a clear path forward is evident. True Believers stop at answers that fit their preconceptions and emotions, and the world is not the better for it.

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» RE: Aslan365 Posted by: geoff_canuck
They must've got BOUGHT
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Dec 21, 2005 1:34 PM   
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The only way any Environmentalist worth their salt would support Nuclear Power is if they were bought off by the public utilities. This is the MOST dangerous power fuel on the planet.

Anything that remains dangerous for 10,000 years ISN'T worth using. These companies have their workers by the sac too. Nuke plants pay retirement bennies at 57,if you're a boiler tech. Sounds nice but you usually DIE AT 55. Can you say 'RAW DEAL'.
Fact is these plants are only good for one thing,MAKING BOMB GRADE WASTE!!! The fact that they get power generation as a sidebar is just window dressing for the masses.
Mark down the names of all whom support this lunacy,espceially the so-called 'environmentalists'. That way we'll have a list of graves to piss on !!!
This demon was loosed on the People long before we ever knew it's dangers or how to use it safely. It needs to be put back in the bottle. Or at the very least funded as RESEARCH
and not production fuels.
Since Washington can't see past it's contributer list,it's time to shut the place down.
Every defender of the planet should get in their cars and block every entrance and exit in the D.C. area, about six rows deep should be enough. Then everyone goes to the lead two or three cars and SPLITS. Taking the keys to their left cars with them. Buy$35 junkers cause we don't want to leave them a Lexus,unless it belongs to your Dad who works for the nuke plant.

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Those MEN are turncoats!
Posted by: kablooie on Dec 21, 2005 1:48 PM   
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For an environmentalist to support nuclear power is comparable to a Quaker voting for Dick Cheney. The problem is that solar power is still not promoted -- take for example the solar panel factory built in Memphis, TN., at Sharp Microwave's plant. Hardly anybody knows it's there, the panels are all shipped out pre-sold wholesale around the world, making our little operation a bit third-world at this point. However, solar is the way to go. We just need to support it with everything we've got.

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Green Energy
Posted by: laro on Dec 21, 2005 1:56 PM   
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Reading this article and all the comments I don't think anyone has mentioned the article "Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste" in the Dec.2005 Scientific American. I suggest reading it with "the End of Oil" by Paul Roberts, which puts all the non-fossil fuels in their true, and unfortunately, non-economic,. perspective. Fast-neutron reactors as discussed in the Scientific American article could enable us to work off the current waste piles stored all over the world and give us a power source that contributes no carbon dioxide to the environment

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it is BECAUSE of the greens
Posted by: oldsmobile on Dec 21, 2005 3:32 PM   
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Simple, the Green movement has not been able to suggest any other kind of economic model than the one we have now, which is increasingly growth and energy (and energy growth) dependent.

Thus the only way to keep doing what we do without pumping out greenhouse gasses is to go nuclear.

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Nuclear disasters?
Posted by: downwithpeople on Dec 21, 2005 4:04 PM   
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I consider myself "earth-friendly" and yet I still beleive in nuclear power as a solution. The past 65 years have created a taboo on anything nuclear. And if we know anything about taboos, we know that taboo is often a way to eliminate things we don't know very much about. I don't admit to be an atomic scientist, but I know that there have been many steps forward in technology and safety that will allow nuclear energy to increasingly play a more vital role to the nation's energy problem. However, I don't agree that we should give nuclear power a big foothold until 2012. That is the year (I think...) that Yucca Mountain in Nevada is slated to be ready to accept large amounts of nuclear waste. Nuclear should only become an option when we are capable of safely storing its waste. Here's an interesting link for the skeptics that think its unsafe to transport the nuclear waste http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/newsroom/videos.shtml. A Nuclear -> Hydrogen solution, in regards to transportation, is an exciting prospect for me.

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» RE: Nuclear disasters? Posted by: aonghus36
Atom Bomb
Posted by: eastcoker on Dec 21, 2005 4:41 PM   
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Oh great, are all lovers of the atom bomb now? Not I. You know Oppenheimer repented. I used to work for his museum. Great place. It's called The Exploratorim. I highly recommend it for all. Now that's the proper use of the brilliance of a nuclear scientist.

I will never forget when I saw my first nuclear power plant with my own eyes in Oregon. I still have the photographs. I was fascinated by this deadly source of power. Still am. How can such a thing exist?

Now I know retired nuclear engineers from the Soviet Union. Gosh I could even marry one if I wanted to. What a world we live in.

Why can't we put our focus on solar power? I see that all the time in the county I live.

I am quite dismayed that Mr. James "Gaia" Lovelock and the founder of Greenpeace would advocate the atom bomb. Have this men gotten slack in their old age or what? Time to bring in the next generation of environmental activists.

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» RE: Atom Bomb Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: Atom Bomb Posted by: eastcoker
Go Nuke
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 21, 2005 6:56 PM   
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I have to admit that I have been one of the fearful of fission nuclear power. Yet, the technology has shown that, properly regulated, it is a safe, useful and efficent sourse of energy.

Someday, wind and solor generation and posibly fusion generation will eleminate the need for fission or coal power generation. That day is not here and our world needs powerful technologies to transition. Nukes are the short term answer.

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» RE: Go Nuke Posted by: YogiBear
Nuclear Idiocy
Posted by: Casey Burns on Dec 21, 2005 8:57 PM   
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65 years may seem like a long time to discuss "taboos" but its a brief second in the life of nuclear waste. Living in the Pacific NW leaves one skeptical that we can get nuclear right in the future, given how we are ever failing in the present. Remember that this stuff remains highly toxic for 10s of thousands of years. Peking Man existed just one half life of Technicium ago, and 2 half lives of Plutonium. Saving our current energy wasteful civilization (if we can call waging an illegal war in Iraq civilized) at the expense of producing wastes that will outlive Homo sapiens doesn't seem like a wise choice to me. We can certainly do much better if we try.

In the NW we have that nuclear miracle that is called Hanford. I suggest that boosters of nuclear power go live downwind or downstream of it - and convince themselves as they and their children die of cancer that it is some other cause, in the same vein as explaining fossils with Intelligent Design. Perhaps the rapture will save them.

Another nuclear miracle was the Trojan Plant, built just outside of Portland. At one time the largest commercial nuke in the US, now decommissioned - with all the wastes still sitting there like ducks waiting for Osama's 767. We tried blocking waste explansion in the late 70s on geological siting, theorizing that the plant sits on an active fault that causes the Columbia to jog north 50 miles. No, the geologists said. That was before widespread use of seismic profiling in the civilian sector.

Turns out it sits on a thin slice bounded by thrust faults. And on top of the Cascadia Subduction Zone capable of a Sumatra-sized earthquake. We've had several of these in the M9 range - averaging every 300 years. The last one was on January 26, 1700, affecting an area from northern California to Vancouver Island, and causing circumPacific tsunamis. Trojan, including its spent fuel pool, was built to withstand only a M7.5. The clock is ticking and Osama is checking his frequent flyer miles....

Humorous aside: In our discussions with geologists we also asked about Mt. St. Helens, 29 miles away - to see if it posed any threat. No they said. In fact, one prominent NW geologist told us there was "a one in one million chance that St. Helens would erupt in our lifetimes - and if it did it wouldn't amount to much." A few weeks after May 18, 1980 this same geologist could barely make eye contact with me without blushing!

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» RE: Nuclear Idiocy Posted by: downwithpeople
Nuclear = only current viable option
Posted by: geoff_canuck on Dec 21, 2005 9:08 PM   
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Nuclear is the only viable option for weaning ourselves off fossil fuels, especially coal-fired power plants. Burning coal releases significant amounts of uranium, thorium, and radium into the atmosphere, contributing much more to background radiation exposure than any US nuclear power plants.

Wind power and solar are excellent supplements to our energy-hungry society. Even with these in place, you need a more reliable source that can be "turned up" to meet peak demand.... or days when the wind ain't blowin so hard.

Japan and France have proven that nuclear fission reactors can reliably meet a nation's electricity demands. It's shameful that we've fallen so far behind - the result of highly effective scare tactics that have made nuclear power a political non-starter for an uneducated public.

Construction of nuclear power plants requires significant amounts of fossil fuel (transportation of materials, etc). We had better start building plants soon, while oil is still cheap. I'd much rather be pumping oil into construction of nuclear power plants rather than fueling our SUVs. If we wait 10+ years for peak oil, the construction cost will become prohibitive, and the lights will go out when fossil fuels can no longer meet our needs. They will be carting dead grandmothers out of overheated homes when the power goes off due to lack of generation capacity.

If you think that the "alternative energy" sources are a replacement, you need to educate yourself. Wind power and solar would be sufficent for a highly energy-efficient society. That would be nice if we were such a society, but we're not, and the transformation will take decades. This is an admirable goal, and government policy ought to incentivize efficiency improvements, while penalizing gas guzzling vehicles and the like. We also need to revitalize our transportation systems (passenger and freight) to make them more energy-efficient.

The consequences are staggering if we fail to create sufficient nuclear-based electrical capacity. After peak oil, the lights will start to go out. Lots of neo-luddites secretly hope for this result, but I think they fail to realize the full consequences.

The worst outcome is most likely:
(1) the needed nuclear capacity will not be built
(2) the goons in the whitehouse will fail to initiate measures to improve energy efficiency
I hope I'm wrong.

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Any way you look at it, nuclear is out performed by the competition
Posted by: Mr.Fish on Dec 21, 2005 9:47 PM   
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By any measure, nuclear simply cannot compete with a mix of renewables. Costs, reliability, environmental concerns, social issues i.e. jobs & health, social justice i.e. mining on native reserves, energy output... in everyone of these areas, nuclear is outperformed by the competition.

In Ontario, the cost of nuclear energy is actually higher per kw/h than natural gas or wind energy. In addition, the nuclear plants already built have badly performed throughout their lifetimes often running under capacity and in need of constant repair. So why is the government of Ontario now interested in dumping (and that's the right word to use here because it is a waste) over $40 billion into nuclear?

The environmental concerns for producing nuclear energy are extremely high. It is not clean energy. Take a look at the life cycle of the power generated by nuclear energy, from the mining, to the milling, to the processing, to the dumping. At every stage of this cycle nuclear makes seriously negative impacts on the environment and the health of people. Is nuclear energy clean? Only if you really want to see it that way.

Massive investment (which would already be required for nuclear energy) in renewable energy can generate millions of jobs. The installation of solar panels on houses, geothermal pipelines in buildings, research still needed on many of the newer technologies (tidal power)... millions of good jobs can be created by investing in renewable energy. This isn't even counting the many other jobs that would be created by retrofiting houses for greater insulation and energy efficiencies.

Energy output from nuclear energy is actually lower than a mixture of renewables would be. If you take a look at Canada or the United States, there is the potential for enormous amounts of renewable energy to be generated. One big stumbling block for nuclear energy is that it is centralized and there are low conversion rates for the energy generated. Much of the energy generated is lost through transmission lines. As well, it takes a great deal of energy to produce nuclear energy at every stage of the process (mining, processing, disposal, etc.). By comparison, decentralized energy has high coversion rates as it is produced much closer to the areas where it will be used and doesn't have the chance to dissipate through transmission lines.

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Any way you look at it, nuclear is out performed by the competition
Posted by: Mr.Fish on Dec 21, 2005 9:48 PM   
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(Cont'd from previous post)

If it is so obvious that nuclear energy isn't the wise choice and that renewable energy is in fact the way to go, why then do we have to have these debates? Most likely the single biggest factor influencing this debate is a social one. Though this is often over looked, the way that we have organized our society is conducive to the nuclear option.

Our society is organized by highly rational and centralized means. This has a direct impact on what gets researched, funded, and implemented. The decentralized, renewable energy option is over looked not because it doesn't perform well (by the standards stated above), but because it doesn't easily fit with the way that the rest of society has been organized. You simply don't see highly centralized promotion of the renewable option. It doesn't make the airwaves and it doesn't fit the social mold as well as nuclear energy does.

To promote decentralized, renewable energy would really amount to promoting a change in the structure of society.
Thus, the energy debate is really a debate about society and the way it is organized. Either it will be decentralized and local or centralized and rational.

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The importance of good information.
Posted by: Artaraxl on Dec 22, 2005 2:36 AM   
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Progressives have to be able to talk reasonably about nuclear power and not lose their collective heads. While it's hard to imagine supporting ANYTHING that the Bush administration favors, nuclear power must still be considered on its merits, not rejected based on outdated or simply wrong info. Unfortunately, it sounds like that's precisely what the author of this piece is doing. E.g.

1) "The fact remains that any catastrophic accident could easily kill as many as 100,000 people or more."

This is NOT a fact. The author fundamentally misunderstands what a "catastrophic accident" actually means. It is a physical impossibility for even the oldest operating reactors to, for instance, explode like a nuclear bomb. A lot of people think this is a risk -- it is NOT. The fact is, not a single person has ever died (or even been seriously injured) as a result of the operations of a western-built nuclear power plant. (I recommend Environmental Case for Nuclear Power: Economic, Medical, and Political Considerations by Robert Morris, for a thorough discussion of this).

2) "The prime problem with nuclear power is that it is really the most expensive power source there is."

This is nonsense. The only way this argument can be entertained is by ignoring the actual history of the nuclear industry. The sole reason why nuclear energy is not far and away the LEAST expensive energy source is regulation and litigation steming largely from environmental activism. As a technology, it is vastly more efficient and less expensive than the alternatives (including renewables and coal, the cheapest fossil fuel). The simply reason for this is the massive quantity of energy produced by nuclear fission: A tiny amount of fuel produces a ton of energy.

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Good info (continued)...
Posted by: Artaraxl on Dec 22, 2005 2:47 AM   
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3) "There is the dirty little secret that...the uranium enrichment process depends on great amounts of electricity, most of which is provided by two extremely dirty fossil fuel plants."

(Note: He previously wrote this in the Washington Post: http://tinyurl.com/b72re and even earlier: http://tinyurl.com/aatvd)

Mr. Asmus likes to repeat this claim. But is it true? Not according to the IAEA, whose study shows that a nuclear plant emissions footprint is similar to wind power generation. (PDF file: http://tinyurl.com/7tmy2)

Again the author neglects the sheer power of the nuclear fission reactions. I.e. the old enrichment plants he mentions use ~1 gigawatts of electricity to run, but this meets the fuel needs for ~100 GW of nuclear capacity! Newer enrichment technologies will render this objection moot anyway.

4) What terrorism does he author expect at a nuclear power plant? There are far more accessible and more destructive targets. Existing infrastructure in the conventional power generation industry could be just as disruptive. An attack on a liquified natural gas depot could be more deadly. Security may be an issue, but this is not unique to the nuclear industry. If you read up on this subject it's clear that nuclear plants are actually NOT very attractive terrorist targets.

5) Yes smaller, decentralized power generation is great, but is it practical for our near-term (the next few decades) energy demands? It is inevitable that we will be building new power plants in this country, and replacing aging ones. The only question is, which kind should we build and why? You don't have to be FOR nuclear and AGAINST renewable sources. You can be for BOTH. Plus, 3rd generation nuclear reactors are actually smaller, more modular, and potentially LESS centralized than their predecessors. But we haven't built a nuclear plant in some 25 years, so we're not taking advantage of that.

Guess who is...CHINA! And Europe, Japan, etc. France generates 75% of its electricity from nuclear power! That's a staggering fact (http://tinyurl.com/e4a57). Ask yourself, why is the rest of the world doing this if it's so unsafe, uneconomical, and polluting?

Now ask yourself why the U.S. is falling behind. I suggest it's because we have a unique (and irrational) bias against nuclear, based on misinformation and fear. Instead, we need facts and reason!

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A Matter of Responsible Control
Posted by: Riverside on Dec 22, 2005 6:24 AM   
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Humankind has been surrounded by nuclear energy since the very beginning. It is in the air, the soil, plants, and of course it is the SUN.

If you analyze all of the problems with nuclear power we find that, as Pogo once said" the enemy are us." We have the technology to do it right, but we need the ability to perform responsibly in the construction, operation and monitoring of nuclear power generation. We have fallen on our face in all of these areas. Now none of this is the atom's fault.

Additionally, the U. S. Department of Energy already has in its files technical studies and reports that show that we can sharply reduce the amount and intensity of nuclear waste material that must be disposed. This is a significant reduction not just mild tweaking.

Another report indicates spent fuel usages not previously explored that would put nuclear waste back to work and thus not be a global Albatross.

Finally, as we succeed in harnessing full thermonuclear reactions we can look to a host of new solutions and also a host of different dispoal techniques many of which are potentially less dangerous to the environment and humans.

We need to decide whether we are mature enough yet to do it right. Guess what? If we are not ready there are going to be some really, really cold days ahead.

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A Dissenting Viewpoint
Posted by: gogm on Dec 22, 2005 6:10 PM   
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Intrinsically safe nuclear reactor designs exist. As I recall, metal fuel is replaced by the metal oxide, a ceramic that won't puddle and produce a "China syndrome."

Jimmy carter scrapped recycling plutonium from spent reactor cores. Recycling plutonium for fuel and medical/industrial isotopes reduces the volume of waste to be interred.

Waste can then be placed in a special reactor that fissions a lot of what's left to leave behind a much lower volume of much shorter-lived products greatly easing the disposal problem.

The nice thing about nuclear power is that it can be implemented without serendipitous advances in energy conversion and, especially, energy storage technologies. Decide - invest - regulate - build.

The French showed the way on the social side. Experts who are secure from corporate control and who are, therefore, trustworthy and standardization where the plants are made from a cookie cutter, albeit a complicated one.

One problem we have in the USA is extremist ideology makes regulation difficult. We need regulation in so many areas and it can't be faded to suit the whims of the billionaire class or right-wing ideologues. Nuclear power will require prudent and persistent regulation, but our society has not yet proven equal to that task. The society we seek in AlterNet is one that can harness atomic energy while our bucaneer rich society of today is incapable of safely harnessing this powerful genie.

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us military/industrial has upperhand - the ugly reality
Posted by: oystercatcher on Dec 25, 2005 9:25 AM   
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Although nuclear is not an energy option I would finance, the alternative community needs to face up to reality. Nuclear power plants, nuclear medicine, nuclear weapons are out there and the powers that would continue their use have no repect for any one elses opinions except perhaps that of the market. If we were to significantly cut back on our consumption, that would just free up more energy for other uses. Removing nuclear weapons to produce electricity seems like a very rational way to make the world safer from fanatics even our own.
Nuclear power plants are being built perhaps not in the us for now but that cannot stop the spread of the technology. The public wont react favorably to power outages even though at the same time they have take no action to mitigating its occurrence. When you have a donner party situation there arent any easy answers. In my opinion we need to take control of nuclear technology in order to oversee its use.

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CONTROL THE BEAST
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Dec 26, 2005 8:20 AM   
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PLATFORM of the People Over Tyrants Party O/K/A The P.O.T. Party

Because of the current trends in National and Foreign Policy and the many and varied forms of tyranny our people are being exposed to,we have formed from the People, a Party, that is For the People. This is our
vision of how we get the Country back for the People,restore our Liberty,Freedom,and Peace,here and now.
NO MORE WARS.
This country has 'made' the enemies we now face through corrupt policy in the name of 'Profits'.
We would cease all weapons sales,development and deployment.
Close all bases on foriegn soils,begin TOTAL DISARMAMENT with pacts of Non- Aggression.
END ALL BLACK PROJECTS FUNDING. Disband the C.I.A., Homeland Security,and the DEA.
All monies would be 'redirected' to Free Education for ALL People, K- Grad School.
PROTECT THE EARTH
Restore the 'Roadless' Laws in perpituity.Ban clear cut forestry operations. End logging in the National Forests. 1,000 year moritorium on mining. Restore the Great Lakes and rivers.
Force Industry to be 'inert' environmentally, Force Auto Industry to make High Mileage Hybred cars and trucks.EXTREME CONTROLS on pesticides and fretilizers and emmissions.
Heavy reliance on Solar,Wind, Hydro Generation, Hemp and other Biomass fuels for charcoal.
STOP DRILLING IN THE ANWR. Force Oil Companies to RESTORE IMPACTED AREAS.
PUT THE MONEY BACK IN THE PEOPLE'S HANDS
Freeze all Transportation Fuels and Utility prices for ten years. Extendable if deemed so by the People.
END COMPOUND INTREST RATES on loans,mortgages and small business loans.
FORGIVE ALL DEBTS. End Property Tax on ALL VETERAN'S personal homes.
CUT DEFENSE 60%, fund FULL HEALTHCARE and ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP
Non Deductable/Refundable 90% TAX The WEALTHIEST PEOPLE and BUSINESSES.
Make SOCIAL SECURITY ALWAYS FUNDED
GIVE food stamps to all Low Imcome Families.
RESTORE POWER TO THE PEOPLE
PARDON ALL VICTIMLESS,NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS.
PARDON ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS
MAKE NATURAL DRUGS LEGAL, MANUFACTURED DRUGS PERSCRIPTIONABLE.
THE BILL of RIGHTS PROTECTION TO INCLUDE MARANDA RIGHTS
END WARRANTLESS SEARCHES,DOMESTIC SPYING ON CITIZENS
GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES WHATEVER THEY DEEM RIGHT
ALL UNION WORKER'S RIGHTS WOULD BE PROTECTED BY THE GOVT.

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