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The 'Retreat and Defeat' Dems

By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real. Posted December 14, 2005.


Maybe we need a new party, since the party that claims to support us has given up any pretense at actual opposition to Bush's war or anything else.

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For once the Republican attack machine has described the Democratic Party perfectly: retreat and defeat. It's what Democrats are all about now. I'm not talking about the Democrats' position (if they had one) on Bush's fool's errand of a war in Iraq. I'm talking about how Democrats have flatly refused to stand and fight the war here at home, the war for America's own democracy.

Democrats remind me of the that group of kids in every grammar school whose members were not smart enough to be dorks nor tough enough to be knuckle-dragging jocks. They are stuck in a social vacuum of sorts. Every now and then one of them gets some backbone and declares he's "gonna show those jocks." To which his frustrated friends eagerly egg him on. So he tosses an insult or rock at the school thugs, who of course immediately counter attack. His friends desert him leaving him screaming, "it was an accident, honest. I didn't mean it." After which the thugs would beat the crap out of him anyway.

Asked about recent comments where Dean trashed Republicans as "evil" and said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay belongs in jail, Biden told ABC's This Week: "He doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats."

And...

Responding to Dean's initial remark, Edwards said Dean "is not the spokesman for the party."Dean is 'a voice. I don't agree with it,"

That's today's Democrats. John Murtha, one of the few truly tough guys in the party, stood up and said right out loud -- "get out of Iraq, now." I'm sure Murtha didn't wake up that morning and decide to hold a news conference. He almost certainly ran his idea by fellow party members. And, from what I hear, they replied, "Sure John, go ahead. We're right behind you."

When Murtha stepped forward, alone, and fired off that rock, Republicans did what Republicans do best, they attacked. Poor John turned to rally his troops, but they were long gone. Many were clustered for cover around CNN microphones, declaring as loudly as they could, "Murtha? He's not with me," and "Hardly know the guy," and "Sure, John's a brave American. No one questions that. But he doesn't speak for me or most other Democrats on this one."

Hillary Clinton said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: "I think that would cause more problems for us in America."

Oh you pack of quisling cowards. Run away! Run Away! Retreat and defeat.

This is why Dems never win anymore. And why Americans lose and lose and lose again. We lose jobs, we lose medical care, we lose sons and daughters. Because the when the other side starts shooting Democrats hoist the white flag of surrender and political cowardice. Instead of rallying around defensible positions and yelling "Bring em on! Pass the ammunition," they whimper, "Waffles, damn it! We need more waffles up here. They're killing us with our own words. Pass the friggin waffles!"

Their own party chairman, Howard Dean, is the latest Dem to be left bleeding in no-man's land by his own troops. Dean opened fire on the Bush administration last week, pointing out -- correctly -- that even though President Bush keeps using the term "Victory in Iraq," there can be no American victory in Iraq.

Dean's statement is demonstrably true and nothing Dems should run from. Any victory in Iraq will have to be an Iraqi victory. Because if we declare it an American victory that's just an open invitation to young Arabs worldwide to wage neverending Jihad in Iraq to prove us wrong. Just ask the Israelis how "victory" works in that part of the world. An American "victory" means, "Mission Never Accomplished."

Dean's statement was also correct based on the demographic reality Bush so carelessly refers to as "Iraq." When Bush says we are "bringing democracy to Iraq," he's flat wrong. What he is really trying to do is get three tribes, Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, who hate one another's guts, to live together peacefully under one civil roof. Forget about it. It will never happen. Not in Bush's lifetime, not in his grand kids lifetimes. The best hope for everyone involved is the creation of three autonomous regions whose people agree that killing each other -- as much fun as it may be -- is simply bad for business.


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Stephen Pizzo is the author of numerous books, including "Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans," which was nominated for a Pulitzer.

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hell yes
Posted by: A. James on Dec 14, 2005 12:39 AM   
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grassroots is where it's at. i know lots of people would like to reform the democrat party, actually get some kind of progressive policy making going on. but really, you've got the choice between the oligarchs (the republicans) and the politicians (the dems) with all the negative connotations you can tihnk of.
those folks have long since stopped working for us, so the only real option to my mind is for us to start working for ourselves. i'm quite a fan of the greens, and here in vancouver we've got the work less party. these are folks who really believe that citizens are political creatures by definition, and that at the very least the survival of our country depends on participation.
so yeah, let the dems do their duck and cover thing. hopefully, when they look up they'll realize that they don't have any jobs anymore and that there are real progressives in office trying to do the right things.

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» RE: hell yes Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: hell yes Posted by: A. James
What can be expected...
Posted by: adp3d on Dec 14, 2005 1:51 AM   
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...when these Democrats are taking money for the same donors as the Republicans? These are the liberal wing of the Republicrats. These are dinosaurs who are on the way to extinction. It is up to us grassrooters to change this party. We need to infiltrate from the bottom up, and this has begun to happen. Dr. Dean is leading the charge and it is up to us to get behind him and marginalize the Leibermans, Clintons(Hillary), and Bidens of this party. There are plenty of rising stars. Obama, Feingold, Pelosi, Edwards, and even Harry Reid are ones to hook into. The question is one of energizing the party. We seem to be suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome. We were slapped around by Gingrich and his bunch, and now we are feeling stomped by the current gang, who did not beat us by much of a margin at all. We have the opportunity to regain congress this next election unless we let those dinosaurs previously mentioned blow it for us.
And one more thing - John McCain will not be good for this country as president, he will just legitimize the current "conservative(if you call racking up the biggest deficit of all time conservative...)" policies.

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» RE: What can be expected... Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: What can be expected... Posted by: John Rice
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» RE: What can be expected... Posted by: william.slavick
Well....at least one thing was heartening in this article.........
Posted by: Pepper on Dec 14, 2005 2:04 AM   
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Dean still has balls.

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Get In It!
Posted by: Sparks56 on Dec 14, 2005 2:15 AM   
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There's a radio station in San Francisco, KFOG, that used to end its news broadcasts with, "If you don't like th news, go out and make some of your own!"
Every Congressman/woman is up for re-election very soon. The same for 1/3 of the Senate. Get involved in the campaigns and LET THEM KNOW, loudly, how you feel about things.
Posts on left/progressive web-sites are all well and good but it's preaching to the choir. The local grassroots is where the real power derives from. America is waking up from its deep sleep, not just about Iraq. Health care, global warming, declining real wages are on everyone's mind. Get out in your local community and raise some hell! You can best do this by getting involved in the local Congressional camppaigns.
Third parties are not the answer. Let the Bible-bangers do that. Get involved in the party we have and make it ours.
Progressive Democrat Chris Murphy for Congress! Connecticut 5th District

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» RE: Get In It! Posted by: Lincoln fan
Fear the Republicans?
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Dec 14, 2005 4:06 AM   
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Mr. Pizzo gives a true picture of the Democratic Party but I think he misunderstands the cause of their lack of leadership. It is not fear of the Republican Party but fear of losing the support of the same corporate elite that finances the campaigns of both parties and bribes our politicians through lobbyists. We are not represented by either party. We are in the same position as were are founding fathers when they shouted, "Taxation without representation is tyranny!". We will not have arepresentative government until we force both parties to represent us. The only differences between the parties should be in their methods to serve the people. Join The Lincoln Initiative, a grassroots movement with no dues, no contributions, no registration, and no hassle. Our agenda is "government of the people, for the people, and by the people". Click on we the people

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» RE: Fear the Republicans? Posted by: jainist
» RE: Fear the Republicans? Posted by: Lincoln fan
Dose Dang Dems
Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 14, 2005 5:06 AM   
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Trust me on this one: Every democrat who was dumb enough to give this half-witted fool in the Oval Ofiice the power to wage war without congressional approval doesn't deserve to be renominated let alone re-elected. That includes Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Joe Leiberman.

Did I hear anyone say, "President Feingold"?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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do what Canada did
Posted by: Don Garb on Dec 14, 2005 5:55 AM   
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Today in Canada, the official opposition party is the Conservative Party of Canada. Three years ago this party didn't exist. It was formed by the merger of an old party, the Progressive Conservatives, and a new party, the Reform Party of Canada, which was only about 15 years old. The Reform Party was started by a passionate preacher from out west. In a few years after it's inception it had become the official opposition.

The Republicans are evil criminal scum and the Democrats are disgustingly pathetic cowards. The American voter is looking at a choice between a sociopathic bully and his completely dickless sidekick. I say it's time the US does what Canada did: start a new party. You could call it the "Not Completey Screwed Up Party" or NCFUP.

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» RE: do what Canada did Posted by: Lincoln fan
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Eyes Wide Open
Posted by: jroush on Dec 14, 2005 6:13 AM   
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If you want to know why the entrenched powers in the Democratic Party behave the way they do, all you need to do is look at the WaPo graphic from earlier this week illustrating where Abramoff placed his bets. Two-thirds of his bribes went to Republicans, and about one-third to Democrats. He larded the cupboards of both the Senate and Congressional Campaign Committees of both parties. Harry Reid is high on the list of recipients, along with Patrick Kennedy. Is there any way to believe that every single member of the US Congress is not steeped in this corruption? And Abramoff is only one lobbyist of thousands infesting our capitol.

This is not about policy - it's about raw power. Any citizen who does not get that deserves what he or she gets. And what you're going to get for the forseeable future is more war, more taxes, more crappy jobs, and an ever-widening gap between the rich and the rest of us.

Having taken a step out of the crowd of quislings, I'd like to see Howard Dean and Jack Murtha and Russ Feingold form the new party we need to provide leadership to the millions of Americans who understand what's happened. And the millions of us who see what has happened have to be willing to pay a new, voluntary Democracy Tax - a steady, regular tithe to our new party. We need to step up and pledge NOW, both time and money, whatever it takes. Write to any or all of these three men, and tell them what you're willing to do as a citizen and what you expect them to do. Remember, no pain, no gain citizens!

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» RE: yes Wide Open Posted by: Lincoln fan
The problem lies in boost or devaluing a Democrat's victory
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 14, 2005 6:18 AM   
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The centrist to rightwingers in the Democratic party consistently make it a high priority to go out on a limb and do centrist vs liberal labelling. If a Democrat wins, these people will hype "centrism" and make it look like that Democrat won because he or she was a "centrist". If the Democrat loses, he or she will be mislabelled as being somehow too liberal even when it's obvious that 9 out of 10 Democrats who lose often do so because they ran "centrist" campaigns. The trouble is these "centrist" Democrats who win by fluke imitate the rightwingers by also playing bait-and-switch with the voters. I'm just as pissed off with Democrats who exploit socially liberal backlash from voters in NYC, DC, Chicago, San Francisco, and other urban areas as I am with Republicans who exploit the social conservative backlash from voters in rural America. Would Rahm Emanuel and Joe LIEberman be in office today if they had to run their campaigns in rural areas? I don't think so unless of course they ran as Republicans but that's another issue.

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Blue in the face
Posted by: roygib on Dec 14, 2005 6:21 AM   
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I have been saying this for years. Pundits always act puzzled when working class folks vote 'against their interests" for Republicans, and can't seem to undersatnd this. The Dems have been owned by the wealthy for decades now and have been so cowed by the Republicans they are scared of their own shadows. They can promise all the health care plans and living wages schemes in the world but we know they will not fight for any of them. They are no longer the party of the working class and don't deserve our vote.

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Our options for saving this country are dwindling
Posted by: sausage on Dec 14, 2005 6:53 AM   
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The establishment of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, the Joes, Biden and Liberman, DLC chair Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and John Kerry, are as beholding to corporate donors as are crass and fawning Republicans. Clinton, Biden, Liberman and Kerry all represent states the economies of which rely heavily upon the financial industry and defense contractors. Hillary Cllinton serves the interests of Wall Street as much as she serves that of the people of New York. Lieberman protects the interests of his state's defense industry, this is why he fought so hard to save the Groton Submarine Base. Biden's Delaware has the most business friendly incorporation laws in the nation. And Massachusetts is the home to some of the nation's largest financial firms and defense contractors. Vilsack, as yet a minor player on the national stage, is firmly in the hip-pocket of Iowa's wealthiest real estate dealer.

As both establishment parties, Republican and Democrat, are essentially pro-business, they are only distinguishable in the degree of their hatred for the poor. Dempublicans or Republicrats, take your pick. Once you get past the issue of whether or not to give a couple of crumbs to the poor or not, thay are all on the same page.

The options left for progressives of all stripes are to either only support Democratic candidates who are as close to their positions as possible (no more blanket support of the Party) or form a new poltical party.

The last option is let things continue as they are, dissatisfaction mounting, and wait for the inevitable revolution sure to take place in the near future.

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... what he said.
Posted by: gar on Dec 14, 2005 6:56 AM   
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Pizzo, I don't care what the CIA thinks of you, in my mind you are a true American. When those guys were torturing me, I only named you as my contact once - maybe twice; it's hard to remember after the head injury.

Seriously, great article. I agree with everything you said - and then some.

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Canada shows it can be done
Posted by: apapmtz on Dec 14, 2005 6:59 AM   
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What a hopeful idea from Canada! Could the USA create a coalition of perhaps Greens and Libertarians? What our eyes and ears tell us now is that the Republicans and Democrats are both acting only for the corporations.
A Green-Libertarian coalition demanded a recount of Bush's 2004 "win" here in New Mexico, especially in minority precincts. Democratic, Hispanic governor Richardson refused, in direct contravention of state law. I was there, could hardly believe my eyes and ears.

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» Are you kidding? Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Are you kidding? Posted by: Lincoln fan
We Need the Labor Party
Posted by: japsey1817 on Dec 14, 2005 7:07 AM   
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It's been a long time coming but the two front-running parties, the Republicans and Democrats [Republicrats] are parties of the rich and powerful economic forces. We need to build the Labor Party USA and take power from these capitalist parties, i.e. the Democrats and Republicans.

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» RE: We Need the Labor Party Posted by: malcolmartin
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Interjecting the Patriot Act
Posted by: aonghus36 on Dec 14, 2005 7:16 AM   
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Sorry to interject this, but something has come up and wouldn't ya know, nobody is reporting the Patriot Act today at Alternet, at least not in the headlines...Murphy's Law, I guess.
Yahoo! News is reporting a clearly right-wing spin on renewing the Patriot Act, and how the House is ready, but the Senate is balking. It is the Democrats fault, of course. Russ Feingold is threatening a filibuster. I hope he succeeds. Check it out here;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051214/ap_on_go_co/patriot_act

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Dec 14, 2005 7:55 AM   
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There is a new party, if you can call four decades "new". It is in 83 countries and the only problem is that the Republicrats use every method in the book, and a few outside the book, to keep Americans from being able to vote for it. It is called the Green Party US.

All Green Parties in the world must subscribe to: grassroots democracy, economic justice, environmental responsibility, and nonviolence. Individual national parties may add as many values to that as they wish. Those are obviously missing from both Republican and Democratic Parties values.

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norasue2001
Posted by: Nora on Dec 14, 2005 8:32 AM   
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Is there any way we can print and drop a planeload of this right-on article onto the Capitol Building? We need to find all the gutless "representatives" and let them know their jobs are in jeopardy! In 2000 they blamed Ralph Nader for their own ineptness in blocking an idiot from becoming president. Who did they have to blame in 2004??

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» RE: norasue2001 Posted by: budd
Um, what about the Greens?
Posted by: dirkster42 on Dec 14, 2005 8:37 AM   
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I wonder what the best way is to use the Green Party to advance a progressive agenda. I'm registered Green, but end up voting Democratic more often than not because I'm afraid of a Republican victory. I think it's important to have a real left party to keep the Dems on their toes, but I'm tired of handing power to the Republicans.

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ChrisM
Posted by: cmaukonen on Dec 14, 2005 9:13 AM   
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For crying out loud. The Dems have never been a "Peace" or
social justice party. They have always been the hawks and have
always been on the side of business. Reread your history.

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» RE: ChrisM Posted by: jwg
Guess which masters your elected officials serve?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 14, 2005 9:19 AM   
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C'mon, Mr. Pizzo; c'mon America: the fact is that both Democrats and Republicans ARE ALL ON THE TAKE!!!

Well, maybe...maybe...not all of them, but the vast majority certainly are, from the real governing body in this country: corporations. Nobody in power in Washington wants to risk losing their rich, bloated, aristocratic lifestyle, largely provided for by corporate largesse, by actually standing up for something that might anger their masters.

Why did we go into Iraq? Because it's good for business! Anti-terrorism requires a clandestine style of warfare: special ops, hit squads, financial disruption, psy-ops, etc. It does not require alot of guns and tanks and planes. What was the military-industrial complex to do? Start a war in Iraq that requires guns and tanks and planes! Without that, the M.I.C. would be out of work. Not to mention all that oil, privatized infrastructure, educated cheap labor (eventually), and agriculture (through genetically-engineered, patented seed stocks) just sitting there for the taking.

I believe that most of our "leaders" have sold out to the highest corporate bidders, and that the sniping by the Dems is just eye- and ear-wash to perpetuate the sham. Our system, in its new, bastardized form, is in big trouble. Maybe a third party could help – IF millions of pissed-off, vocal, politically-active people could be persuaded to join (good luck...). What would also help is if the people of this country could be made to realize just how badly they're being screwed by those they trust – and elect – to protect their interests. (Good luck with that as well.)

"The People" will never win out over corporations until they can lobby as effectively as corporations – and any money (and some of our freedom) that might be available to do that is being confiscated as we speak by the policies of the current administration. All the rest – what passes for Washington politics today – is just another rigged prime-time "reality" show.

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Left out of exit plan: bases & OIL
Posted by: yurbud on Dec 14, 2005 9:27 AM   
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Everything he said was true, but his exit plan left out two crucial elements that are at the heart of why Bush won't leave:

1. The United States renounce claim to any permanent military bases in Iraq, and will only negotiate for them once all of our troops are OUT, so the Iraqis aren't coerced.

2. The restructuring of Iraq's OIL industry, and replacing of Saddam's contracts with the French and American contractors is rescinded and the Iraqis are free to decide who will pump their oil and how to divide the profits.

Iraq can estimate the amount of unmetered oil that has been pumped during the occupation and the US will collect that income from the corporations that stole that oil.

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A new drug....
Posted by: saretto on Dec 14, 2005 9:30 AM   
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I think we need to re-vamp the system as is. If only 6% of our population, then I think we need to re-evaluate how we, as a people, educate ourselves about our own government.

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» RE: A new drug.... Posted by: deha
Here's a new Party
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Dec 14, 2005 9:40 AM   
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This is a people movement back to what America would be without influence peddlers,wealthy secret dealers and corrupted politicians in it only for the money they can get from their contributers.
What's the name? The People Over Tyrants Party. Or if you need a catchy title, the P.O.T. Party.
When true middle Class is about $200,000/yr,if you live in a major city,have three kids,two cars and a mortgage, more debt than you van carry,something's wrong. If you're one of the many that live on$50,000/yr, have 1 child,a p.o.s. car,
rent, and have to think about how much of the utilities you can pay and still by food,gas,and asswipe,live in a town of
>100,000,you're not middle class either. You're mid-level low-income. Something's wrong.
We are under the rule of tyranny. The tyranny of an out of touch Govt that's more willing to start a war for oil than take care of it's People. The tyranny of compound intrest rates that 'legally' steal the money out of your pockets by merely having an account. The tyranny of taxation on the people to make up for Ins. Company payouts to VICTIMS of 9/11,Katrina and Rita. Folks paid premiums to get that coverage,it's illegal to tax the people for an Ins. company doing it's responsibility. It's also illegal to be forced under the tyranny of paying tax for a sports arena,stadium,or a preforming Arts Center.
How about the tyranny of being told your utility bill will go up 20-35% and the reality is,it's up 100% from last year.
The People Over Tyrants Party may be fledgling,it may be the only internet Party,it may be the only party that owse it's alliance to the people,it may also be the only party that won't cost money to be in. But the name clearly,concisely,says it all.We are People Over Tyrants. Do you want your full Liberty back? Are you ready for Freedom on a major scale? Do you think the Wealthy get far too many breaks and should pay their share of the taxes? Do you think working in Peace is better than war? Do you want to see Social Security, Healthcare and environmental cleanup in off-budget always funded programs? Then join the party!What's it take to get in?
If you're fed up with the things I've just outlined, you're already a member. To get ahold of others in your area, start talking to your neighbors,friends and family. If there's 5 of you in your area,there's thousands in your state.
Throw a P.O.T. Party for Peace and Justice. Be Free!!!

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» RE: Here's a new Party Posted by: Doubtom
Were do we enlist for the Revolution?
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Dec 14, 2005 9:58 AM   
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Steve....great artical...right on the money....if only the major news media would run this artical! We need a way to unite!We need a way to come together...and CHANGE..the direction this country is heading. CHANGE IT! Change how politics are
played. Anyhow....when we figure how to do this...sign me up!
I`ll be the "flag bearer" and take the first bullet for our cause!! The true.....American People!!

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Uh, who exactly is "US"?
Posted by: Newtopia on Dec 14, 2005 10:11 AM   
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Those corrupt bastards don't represent me...

Once again, we see a systemic failing of Progressives, who just cannot seem to break from identifying with the Democratic Party, who hasn't represented their interests in over 40 years.

How much LONGER will it take to WAKE UP?

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don't need opposition...
Posted by: tcx2 on Dec 14, 2005 10:11 AM   
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No need for opposition to watch the republican party implode. Who needs enemies when you have people like DeLay, Cheney, and Rove on your team? Just wait until all that "Group W" fake business defense contracting scheme is brought to light. The entire party will go down in flames, taking America with it no doubt.

It's actually better that the democrats shut their mouth right now. Better to NOT give the republicans a means of diverting attention from the republican crimes and treason going on. Let the republicans know that they bought this no-win Iraq war and they committed the crimes and they are all alone. Just as they will be when they are rotting in prison.

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» RE: don't need opposition... Posted by: picaresque
It sucks on the other side as well
Posted by: Patinator on Dec 14, 2005 10:47 AM   
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As a mostly libertarian who votes republican for fiscal reasons, there are many on the right who are just as dissappointed. Bush has outspent Clinton as a "conservative". I will wait and see about real tax/social security reform, but I have my doubts.

The big problem is that we have two dominant parties that are basically the same. Instead of a contitutional republic with legitimate representation, we have corporatism where anyone who spends more than one term is owned by one or more special interest groups. I just wish they would be honest about it. It would great if they wore patches of their sponsors like those race car drivers.

Anyway, until alternative parties like Green, Constitional, Libertarian, Labor, etc. gain power, we will be stuck in this Hegalian Dialectic.

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Grassroots just won't cut it.
Posted by: vtmarik on Dec 14, 2005 11:06 AM   
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Being a grassroots democrat has one major drawback: Grassroots or not, you're still a Democrat.

So, i propose a new party. Call it the People Party, and the slogan could be as American as everything else we've co-opted: We The People.

"We The People of the United States, in order to save the lives of our sons and daughters, hereby rise as one and challenge President Bush for the Presidency of the United States."

Advertising dollars can then stop being funneled to useless Dems in power and be used to represent what we *really* want instead of what those we elect want.

Too idealistic? Too good an idea to work? Probably. But no one can say that you ran away like they did.

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There Is No Maybe About It!
Posted by: malcolmartin on Dec 14, 2005 11:35 AM   
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Maybe? Are you kidding, we have no choice! The Republicans and Democrats are merging as capitalism consolidates its control over the whole system.

Stop deluding the American people that there will be any more real elections in this country. The mass media and electoral machinery and both major political parties are now fully under the control of those in power. Elections that matter are a quaint feature of America’s past. As long as George Bush remains a useful idiot of the ruling clique his approval rating could drop to zero and he will sleep in the White House. At the same time Bush is expendable in the blink of an eye if it suits his masters. He will be replaced by another fake everyman, a new actor, a man better able to read the script and parrot the talking points. The men in charge of this country will only release their grip on us when their hearts are stopped or they are confined to prisons by a powerful armed force capable of overcoming their hired killers.

We must enlist people and accept the leadership of people in a new insurgent political movement without regard to race or nationality. Unbeknownst to most oppressed white workers in this country, unity with his/her African-American, Hispanic and immigrant counterparts is the only hope of salvation. Racism and xenophobia and every other tactic of division have been the lifeblood of capitalism with good reason. Our unity is the only potentially deadly threat to this system. White supremacy, Black-nationalism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, homophobia, and all the crackpot schemes and nihilistic cults of the bourgeoisie, like al-Qaeda, are dead ends for all of us.

Those few living high off the hog in capitalist America long ago declared war on the rest of us. So far in that war we have been doing all the starving and the drowning and the dying. It's time to make it a fair fight and call out our true enemies. Rupert Murdoch and George Soros and Warren Buffet and Bill and Melinda Gates and the Walton family and all the other who appear on Fortune magazine’s annual list, the Sultan of Bahrain and the House of Saud, the oligarchs everywhere must face the consequences of their gluttony.

Our children are being murdered from Darfur to the Sunni Triangle to New Orleans today and many more will die tomorrow but don’t mourn. Organize!

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» RE: There Is No Maybe About It! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: There Is No Maybe About It! Posted by: drthomson
re "RETREAT FIRST!" Democrats.
Posted by: FFA on Dec 14, 2005 11:36 AM   
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Bravo for Mr. Pizzo's article "RETREAT FIRST Democrats." I recently purchased a copy of Mr. Pizzo's book "Inside Job- The Looting of America's S&L" because I realized that Republicans are ONCE AGAIN DOING to America what they did in the '80s - get us chump taxpayers to HAND OVER BILLIONS to their cronies and donors.

Speaking of, "WHEW!" I just spent from 8am to 2:30 pm writing a compilation of Democrat's RETREAT ISSUES, and blew past the Alternet 2,500 word limit even on 4th and 5th edits! WHERE to start?

#1. the Sen. Patty Murray Amendment to SUPPORT THE TROOPS. This amendment $2.7 B to fund Veteran's rehab and medical for returning Iraq war vets - was SHOT DOWN on STRAIGHT PARTY LINE VOTE by Repugs. STUPID DEM 'leaders" are CLUELESS to make this a FIGHTING ISSUE. NOT making it a fighting issue GIVES the evil Repubs the "Moral Values" HIGH GROUND- they can portray Dems as being AGAINST THE TROOPS (for not supporting the war) even though THEY are the ***-****s who DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS! Dem. leadership should be FLOGGED for this INCOMPETENT, NEGLIGENT, DERELICTION IN DUTY apathy.

#2. Katrina/New Orleans. Every soldier, general, or even armchair warrior knows you can win the battle, and loose the war. We US taxpayers are spending BILLIONS on Katrina clean-up - WITH NO OVERALL PLAN to make NO safe and secure. As Sen. Landrieu (D-LA) said on radio yesterday, AMSTERDAM is below sea-level- the Dutch and Europeans haven't GIVEN UP on AMSTERDAM! Dems should be SPEAKING IN ONE VOICE: Demand a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION of FEMA's KATRINAL CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, and demand a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to restore Mississippi River wetlands and NO dykes.

A new article by Semour Hersh in the New Yorker says that Bush is becoming increasingly ISOLATED from staff and advisors, as he prays to be seen as the leader who delivered "democracy" to Iraq. (He is actually aiding the Shiite theocrats to crush the Sunnis whom his father supported for 20 years.) Democrats, TELL BUSH TO GET OUT OF HIS WH prayer-chapel, and GO LEAD THE REBUILDING OF NEW ORLEANS!

#3. Diebold- Disenfranchisement of American voters. Democrats SIT ON THEIR HANDS, as a class-action lawsuit alleges CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY by Diebold's (until yesterday) CEO, Wally O'Dell.

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re "RETREAT FIRST!" Democrats.
Posted by: FFA on Dec 14, 2005 11:36 AM   
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Bravo for Mr. Pizzo's article "RETREAT FIRST Democrats." I recently purchased a copy of Mr. Pizzo's book "Inside Job- The Looting of America's S&L" because I realized that Republicans are ONCE AGAIN DOING to America what they did in the '80s - get us chump taxpayers to HAND OVER BILLIONS to their cronies and donors.

Speaking of, "WHEW!" I just spent from 8am to 2:30 pm writing a compilation of Democrat's RETREAT ISSUES, and blew past the Alternet 2,500 word limit even on 4th and 5th edits! WHERE to start?

#1. the Sen. Patty Murray Amendment to SUPPORT THE TROOPS. This amendment $2.7 B to fund Veteran's rehab and medical for returning Iraq war vets - was SHOT DOWN on STRAIGHT PARTY LINE VOTE by Repugs. STUPID DEM 'leaders" are CLUELESS to make this a FIGHTING ISSUE. NOT making it a fighting issue GIVES the evil Repubs the "Moral Values" HIGH GROUND- they can portray Dems as being AGAINST THE TROOPS (for not supporting the war) even though THEY are the ***-****s who DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS! Dem. leadership should be FLOGGED for this INCOMPETENT, NEGLIGENT, DERELICTION IN DUTY apathy.

#2. Katrina/New Orleans. Every soldier, general, or even armchair warrior knows you can win the battle, and loose the war. We US taxpayers are spending BILLIONS on Katrina clean-up - WITH NO OVERALL PLAN to make NO safe and secure. As Sen. Landrieu (D-LA) said on radio yesterday, AMSTERDAM is below sea-level- the Dutch and Europeans haven't GIVEN UP on AMSTERDAM! Dems should be SPEAKING IN ONE VOICE: Demand a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION of FEMA's KATRINAL CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, and demand a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to restore Mississippi River wetlands and NO dykes.

A new article by Semour Hersh in the New Yorker says that Bush is becoming increasingly ISOLATED from staff and advisors, as he prays to be seen as the leader who delivered "democracy" to Iraq. (He is actually aiding the Shiite theocrats to crush the Sunnis whom his father supported for 20 years.) Democrats, TELL BUSH TO GET OUT OF HIS WH prayer-chapel, and GO LEAD THE REBUILDING OF NEW ORLEANS!

#3. Diebold- Disenfranchisement of American voters. Democrats SIT ON THEIR HANDS, as a class-action lawsuit alleges CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY by Diebold's (until yesterday) CEO, Wally O'Dell.

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Bill Scheurer
Posted by: wcscheurer on Dec 14, 2005 11:51 AM   
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There is an alternative!

www.WinWithBill.com

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