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Why Women Snap

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted December 14, 2005.


A new TV series ignores the reality that cold-hearted women who are out for themselves are only a tiny fraction of those doing time for murder.
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The typical American female TV criminal is nasty, cutthroat, cunning, duplicitous and sexy to boot.

Oxygen, a women-oriented cable channel, hypes its popular "Snapped" series this way: "From millionaire brides with everything to lose, to small-town sweethearts who should simply know better, these shocking but true stories turn common assumptions about crime and criminals upside down."

The show promises to reveal that there is "something far more sinister to the fairer sex than 'sugar and spice and everything nice.'" As proof, "Snapped" offers up Carolyn Warmus, the daughter of a self-made millionaire. "To put it simply," Carolyn, a "young temptress" with "blond hair, a voluptuous figure, and sassy personality, got what Carolyn wanted, including men."

As temptresses do, Carolyn began an affair with a married man. Then "the sexy nymphet … turned her charms on [a] private dick," who eventually provided her with a silencer-enabled gun.

One dead wife-of-her-lover later, Carolyn Warmus finds herself on trial, "dressed to kill … arriving every day in very short, very tight miniskirts and designer clothes. With her striking good looks, expensive outfits, and murderous persona, Warmus was the embodiment of the 'femme fatal': a sexy, dangerous blond bombshell that seemed to step right out of the hardboiled detective films and pulp novels of the '40s."

Words that could have been lifted out those colorful paperbacks -- this is what passes as entertainment for women?

Other outlets have also joined the fun. E! Entertainment Television's series, asks viewers to contemplate: "How does a match made in heaven turn into hell on earth?"

In response, E! offers "True Hollywood Stories: Women Who Kill," in which audiences are introduced to Margaret Rudin, "a gold digger with a dark side," and Kristin Rossum, who is presumed to have killed her mate "because she had a handsome lover on the side."

Deeper motives

Are there cunning, narcissistic women who would kill for thrill or profit? Sure. Why not? Someone's gender doesn't ascribe ethical character traits, no matter how much essentialist thinkers would like to think otherwise. But the fact is that cold-hearted women who are simply out for themselves are a tiny minority of women doing time for murder -- or any other crime.

When women kill their mates, such acts are usually in self-defense -- or as a result of longstanding physical and emotional abuse. According to the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), at least half of all women in prison, including those jailed for nonviolent offences, were abused by spouses before their incarceration.

Unfortunately, even strong evidence of being battered doesn't do much to help tip the scales of justice in women's favor. According to Harvard University domestic violence researcher Angela Browne, women who kill men in self-defense -- and where there is evidence of severe assault prior to the killing -- are acquitted only 25 percent of the time.

On top of this, women who are charged with the murder of their partners have the least extensive criminal records of any group of convicted offenders. Yet the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence reports that the average prison sentence of men who kill their female partners ranges from two to six years, while women who kill their partners are sentenced to an average of 15 years. In states ranging from Florida to South Carolina, many are serving life sentences without the possibility of parole.

In 1993 an Ohio-based research team studying the motivations for murder in intimate relationships found that 82 percent of men in custody who killed female partners or wives did so because they were motivated by "possessiveness," whereas 83 percent of women in custody described their motivation for murder as "self-defense."


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Silja J.A. Talvi is a senior editor at In These Times. Her work appears in the anthology, "Prison Nation" (Routledge, 2003).

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quidproquo
Posted by: qidproquo on Dec 14, 2005 1:58 AM   
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I wonder....aren't most prison parole boards largely composed of males? Is it possible that these dominant males are fearful of women whose very act of finally defending themselves, indicates a challenge of, and opposition to all male authority.?

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» RE: quidproquo Posted by: aida1200
All murderers probably have a history of being abused.
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 14, 2005 8:42 AM   
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Yes, it is a fact that a spurned male may stalk a female when she moves out. Yet I find it hard to imagine a situation where an abused woman, especially one with children, cannot find protective care.

Why are abused women a bigger worry than abused men? Abusive men are likely also to have been abused men. Abuse is self-perpetuating. And it comes as often from mothers as from fathers.

If everyone who was abused felt justified to murder, we'd have a violent society. Hmm. Abused men make great warriors, and until we are ready to renounce war as a foreign policy, we will pay the domestic, as well as the international, costs for it.

We believe in abuse. It's "for our own good." Remember that as its logical consequences come raining down upon us.

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» Why doesn't she just leave? Posted by: crazycatz
» Why doesn't HE just leave? Posted by: UnWalled
2 to 6 for murdering your wife? WHERE?!!!!
Posted by: fullavit@hotmail.com on Dec 14, 2005 9:56 AM   
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Here in North Carolina women were using PMS as a deffence against everything from assault to murder 1 and WINNING! We used to have a joke around here that PMS stood for Punctured Man Syndrome! I read of a case a while back where a woman stabbed her boy friend of three months thirty-plus times with a chef's knife and cried abuse! The man in question had never been known to be abusive and five prior girlfriends testified in his defence! After the abuse angle failed, she tried the PMS defence, but by now her credibility was shot and she got thirty- to - life for attempted murder.

I'm not fighting against the right of a woman to protect herself. The reason so many woman who probably were defending themselves are sitting in prison right now, is because of the overuse of the defence. Women who attack their spouses with the worst of intentions, have tried to pull the "abuse" defence so many times that the courts have grown tired of it. If the women who killed in true self defence are doing unjust time for something they are truly inocent for, I will be the first one to stand up and fight against the injustice! But to say all women in prison doing time for murder that state that they did it in self- defence are inocent is just ridiculous! To really find the truth of the matter we must investigate the circustances of each case and then judge the cases indivdually on the merrits of each.

Loraina Bobbit cut her husband's penis off and said he tortured her with it. Now women threaten their husbands with "Pulling a Loraina Bobbit" on national television and get rousing applause from their peers in the audience! Loraina Bobbit spent less than two days incarcerated for her crimes. Had a man cut part of a womans body off he would have gotten life! Making Loraina Bobbit a heroine is just wrong! Now, thanks to her, cutting a man's penis off is concidered attempted murder and rightfully so! Yet when it was anounced on the local news here in North Carolina, the female newscaster acted like the story was a big joke, and warned women of the new "unjust" ruling!

I'm not and abusive husband. I've never risen my hand to my wife even during our most heated arguments. It's my opinion that a man that strikes a woman is no man! Please don't tar me with your broad and dripping brush. It's not my fault that I was born with a penis! But since I have one, I've become acustomed to it and would like to keep it!

Stoney13

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missed the point
Posted by: karyse on Dec 14, 2005 9:57 AM   
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You missed the point. The women in prison didn't "used to be" suffereing from beatings at the time of the murder, they were BEING subjected to beatings. Self defense, no?

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Women of color in a racist US prison system
Posted by: blackfeminista on Dec 14, 2005 10:52 AM   
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I'd like to thank the writer for this important article. However, one important aspect is missing: women of color, African-American and Latinas , account for more half of incarcercated women. And these numbers are growing. According to the Sentencing Project (www.sentencing project.org) women of color are 89% more likely than white women to be incarcerated for a drug offense.

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Blame the Victim
Posted by: sandoz56 on Dec 14, 2005 10:55 AM   
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I work at a domestic violence shelter and rape crisis center and I have heard some of the comments on here over and over again and frankly find them to be uninformed.
1) "Yet I find it hard to imagine a situation where an abused woman, especially one with children, cannot find protective care."--------------------
Believe it. I live in a small town, and this shelter is full up most of the time and yes, women with children who are in danger are turned away because there is no room. Let me look behind me on the wall where the map of other shelters is, where I see that most states outside of New England only have one or maybe two domestic violence shelters in the whole state, invariably only in the most populated cities.
2) "The reason so many woman who probably were defending themselves are sitting in prison right now, is because of the overuse of the defence. Women who attack their spouses with the worst of intentions, have tried to pull the "abuse" defence so many times that the courts have grown tired of it"------------ So because you say there are so many women being victimized to such a degree that they injure or kill to try to stop it that means the women should be punished for law enforcement's failure to protect them? Is that what you're saying?

So here is my point, abused women are given the shaft not only in the lax prosecution of domestic violence and rape but also in child custody and in the self-defense situation described here.
Routinely rape cases come through this shelter where the man admitted his guilt to the police but no charges were filed. You wouldn't believe how many admit their crimes and are not prosecuted! I also must note that the longest sentence I've ever seen handed down to a rapist is 8 months, while just for example most of the cocaine possession cases I see are sentenced to between 1 and 2 years.
Abused women also rarely are awarded custody of the children in a case involving the woman being a victim of abuse. The abuser is often quite personable and friendly, and he is invariably the one that owns the house, car, has a job and financial stability. He often tries to joke with the judge while the woman is hysterical and crying. He might be an abuser, but what the court sees is a man who has the money to take care of the children while the mother looks like a crazy woman, which she is often accused of being.

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» RE: Blame the Victim Posted by: wheresarah
» RE: Blame the Victim Posted by: gargirl
I agree with sandoz56
Posted by: UnWalled on Dec 14, 2005 3:31 PM   
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My experience comes mostly from being the battered woman. I've learned so much since I was able to escape (which is what he called it when I was still trying).

94% to 96% of those who are abused in relationships are women. Does that mean that men aren't abused or that women don't abuse. Hell no. Women abuse other women and men get abused by other men. Yes, there are women who abuse men but statistically it is very low and often during comment periods like these is given far more weight than the nastyness and amount of abuse women go through not just by their partners but authorities and the justice and economic systems.

Some statistics I've heard on shelters is that for every 1 woman who gets in 9 are turned away and with just one month stays the woman often ends up back in the relationship for lack of anywhere else to go. It is amazing how many people will tell her to get out and then never talk to her again at the time when she most needs people around her.

For those who can't understand why a woman doesn't just leave I suppose we could ask men getting abused that question too. I can't tell you how often I have heard (and been told) "If I was hit I would be out of there so fast..." Heck, I used to say that too. All I can tell you is that is the ignorant statement of someone who hasn't been through it or at least not what the woman who hasn't left has been through. I was 13 years into the relationship before it turned physically violent. At that point my esteem had been destroyed, my friends and family run off, my carreer and credit destroyed and I had lived with veiled threats of custody fights for years. I was also recovering from an auto accident and unable to do most anything let alone work and support myself and children. The first thing my abuse recovery counsellor said is attacks come when you are at your most vunerable. The goal isn't to get you to leave but to make it more impossible for you to leave.

Continued in next post...

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I agree with sandoz56 (part II)
Posted by: UnWalled on Dec 14, 2005 3:31 PM   
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Continued...

The night he broke my ribs and choked me to near-death (among many other things) when he finally allowed me to call the police he met them at the door and told them I was having a psychosis from my pain meds for the accident and had been trying to leave to commit suicide and he had spent all night trying to keep me from hurting myself which is why I was so bruised up and the house was so torn up but he was tired and even though he wanted to spare me the embarrassment he needed their help. Now really officers... if he had really gone through that wouldn't you think he would be more distressed or at least not nearly as calm? Well, the authorities took me away for eval and detox because something had to be done they said. It was BRILLIANT! He felt more empowered while I felt even less safe. The abuse escalated. So much so that even though I would never trust the police again they came twice more and it wasn't until the third time that he was taken away which surprised him even more than me.

That's when he entered an batterer intervention group. He quickly figured out what they wanted and did it even though most of what he said and submitted was all crafted lies. It was all a show and only for their benefit. Well, actually his own too because he loved to tell me how impressed they were with him. All he really learned was how to be even more covert in his abuse, what he can and can't get away with, just how easy it is to fool people including those in positions of power and how gullible even the most jaded can be.

I've since found out from his hidden girlfriends (he was using his daughter as bait to attract these women -- and yes there were several, who all thought they were the only one) his plot not only for my death but how he was intending to make it appear a suicide even going so far as to contact the D/A's office (all the more disturbing how he was able to abuse me and then use the police to further his cause). One of the girls was intended to be the new mom because it wasn't as if he was actually going to spend any time with his child after her mother was disposed of, especially when there were four other women to visit and continue to seduce. My goodness! He was poisoning my coffee! Hair analysis has confirmed not only with what but when.

Continued in next post...

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I agree with sandoz56 (part III)
Posted by: UnWalled on Dec 14, 2005 3:34 PM   
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Continued...

Yet legally at this moment there isn't anything that can be done about this attempted murder (yet...) and he had the gall to leave a voicemail this week saying he doesn't think there's any reason we can't call each other and chat. Meanwhile he's hiding from both me and his daughter that he has moved in with his next victim only a couple months after our separation but before the time he announced he had started dating again and didn't want me to think he was trying to hide anything.

Turns out there isn't anyone he has had a relationship with that he hasn't cheated on or been abusive with. One girlfriend even moved to England to get away from him because he was stalking her even though he was living with the girl who would soon become his first wife. Oh how I wish I knew then what I know now.

I'm stronger now but still recovering both physically and mentally. I still deal with frequent nightmares and flashbacks (reliving the hell all over again) because it really is like being held prisoner. I've cut off as much contact with him as I can but society and the justice system tell me I and my daughter must continue to have contact with the man who not only nearly killed me not because he snapped but methodically plotted my death.

For anyone who is or has gone through this I recommend the book
"Why does he do that?" by Lundy Bancroft because it makes so much clear and validates what you've gone through. Also a good book for those who have never experienced it especially if you know someone who is going through it so you can understand.

Until then perhaps those who would like to know and understand better (or at least before posting here) can check out this site which I think does the best for illuminating what 25% of relationships are like.

Domestic Violence

All I've shared here in this short time (there is oh so much more) about this man and I find it sad that the focus as illustrated in the article is on creating stereotypes that women are cold, unfeeling, plotting and evil when in reality perhaps the reason it is so intriguing is because it is not very common.

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Three's a Charm
Posted by: Basenjis on Dec 14, 2005 7:57 PM   
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A favorite aunt died many years ago. Her death certificate gave a brain hemorrhage as cause of death, although her doctor told my mother there were some very suspicious marks on her neck. Her first husband had been abusive and threatened more than once to kill her. I was a witness to one of these terrifying incidents, a five-year old cowering unseen behind a door. This was back in the 20's and divorces were rare and a disgrace in farming communities in those times, so it must have taken a lot of courage for her to free herself legally, but he continued to threaten her and their two children until she moved a few miles away. To eke out an existence, I remember this petite, feminine little woman driving a beat-up tractor and working my grandfather's farm during the Great Depression. Eventually she married again, this time to a handsome, charming wacko who held her captive, sitting on the edge of the bed with a gun and refusing to let her sisters see her. Fortunately that marriage was short-lived and he left and went out west where he was killed in a barroom brawl. When she married a nice neighbor, the family rejoiced, but this one was abusive to her and the children almost from the first. After a severe beating she sent the kids to live with their father while she tried to "work things out." This marriage lasted longer than the previous two, but, in the end, this was the one who finally got her. That was a long time ago, but how far have we really come?

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Don't like it, don't watch it
Posted by: aedwards on Dec 15, 2005 6:30 AM   
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Without the ratings the network isn't going to show the program. You're complaining about a network completely devoted to women. They decide to show a program with the theme female killers. I don't think it would make much sense to put a show on a female oriented network about male killers. But then again since we all talking about the male dominated society that deliberately oppresses females then it would be unthinkable to assume that maybe women are capable of malicious acts to. All of the murders committed by female are perfectly justifiable because they all are acts of self defense. No, female are not capable of free will. Their free will has been trained out of them since they were little girls by the male dominated school systems. Of course since this is an area of society that offends people we shouldn't bring it to light, instead we should suppress it. We should tell the world that we won't tolerate this kind of scandalous behavior being show to our children. It will be great, we can blame the censorship on the children because who knows what their watching on television. That's not something that parents have control over, right? And besides everyone knows that television and music has more influence over our children then we do. Maybe it’s actually a good thing that their playing trash like this on television. It will show everyone that we don't have to take it anymore; we can just shoot the people we think are oppressing us. The government should be on top of this keeping this off the air. That's their responsibility.

Isn’t equality great?

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Trashy TV
Posted by: BlueTigress on Dec 15, 2005 10:01 AM   
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I would suggest that the women described in 'Snapped' are much more visually interesting (done hair, lots of makeup, fancy costumes) than the reality. Depressed, exhausted, scared, no spare energy to 'fix one's self up', does not make for nearly as interesting a picture. Unless what they're running is actually fantasy, where a lot of women could see themselves as the man-eaters described.

I would check to see who is writing, directing, and producing this series. If it's mostly guys, then it is largely fantasy.

I think part of the reason that women get heavier sentences for killing their abusive spouse/boyfriend is that there is the message to get out when it happens. But if there's nowhere to go, and your family or friends won't take you in, then what? After I married, my mother told me the only way I could come home was with bruises. I think this was her way of telling me that if my husband and I argued, I should stay and work it out.

I've never had to deal with an abusive husband, thankfully.
We should do more for the women who do.

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Violent crime is down
Posted by: Blitzgal on Dec 19, 2005 9:46 AM   
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I think an interesting point to be made concerning battered women who kill their husbands is that for the past thirty years or so, these incidents have vastly decreased as programs protecting battered women have increased. There is a direct correlation between the ability a woman has to safely leave the relationship and the incidence of spousal murder by women. This definitely makes a case that women in general kill when they have no other opportunities to escape their current situation.

The other problem I have with this program is the simple fact that it can be reduced to "man bites dog" reporting. The rare and extreme stories are the ones that the media choose to report. Maybe 10% of all murders are committed by women. Men murdering other men comprise the vast majority of all killings in this country. So it's only the abnormal and the sensational that we hear about.

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RedRobin
Posted by: RedRobin on Dec 20, 2005 10:53 AM   
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Not only do women serve more time for self-defense homicide, women get more time in child abuse cases. When a woman abuses/kills her child, she is charged, but rarely is the man in her life charged, even if he knew about the abuse. If a man abuses/kills his child or stepchild, or his girlfriend's child, not only is he charged, commonly the child's mother is charged for not protecting her child, even if she knew nothing about it or was herself being abused. We have 2 cases here in Michigan where the stepmother/girlfriend killed the child of their husband/boyfriend. These were painful, tortuous murders of 2-3 year old girls. In both cases, the fathers were NOT charged, even though one father HAD to have known what was going on, because the abuse took place over hours in a mobile home. When will the courts hold men responsible for children??? For murder and abuse???
A book about this topic is called "Mothers Who Kill".

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