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The Vatican's Gay Purge

By Fr. Gerard Thomas, Beliefnet. Posted November 29, 2005.


A gay priest says the Vatican's new policy is nothing short of an attack on church discussions of sexuality.

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The recently leaked Vatican Instruction concerning the entrance of gay men into Catholic seminaries and religious orders was far worse than what I had expected.

Contrary to some media reports that focused on the Vatican's banning of "sexually active" gay men from the seminaries (anyone--straight or gay--who enters the seminary must be celibate) and stories that zeroed in on "transitory" gays (another way of speaking about basically straight men), the document has a far simpler and more wide-ranging goal: the banning of any man who understands himself as gay. The document explicitly bars those who have "deeply rooted homosexual tendencies."

This is about as broad a ban as you could imagine.

The instruction will have a lasting effect on three groups of men. First, no matter how it is applied or interpreted or read by superiors and seminary rectors, this document will have the immediate effect of turning away any gay man who understands that he is gay. Any healthy, emotionally mature gay man will more than likely identify himself as someone with "deeply rooted homosexual tendencies," in the words of the Instruction. For some reason, the rest of the media seem to think the big news is that Vatican bans "sexually active" gays or "transitory gays."

This is utterly beside the point. An honest reading of the document shows that the Vatican is simply banning gays. The "application" of the document, even the portion of the document that says that rectors are ultimately responsible for their men, will be largely meaningless, for this simple reason: Few emotionally mature gay applicants these days will want to enter.

The only gay men who will enter will be either clueless, closeted, or lying. This is a disastrous way to prepare men for healthy life as a priest, and gives rise to the very environment that everyone wanted to avoid: the repressed, fearful seminary where sexuality is a forbidden topic.

(Bizarrely, the document also contradicts the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which not only says that gay men should be celibate, but can be celibate.) Second, the Instruction states that rectors and spiritual directors are now obliged--in conscience--to ask men already in seminaries and formation programs to leave. This goes far beyond what anyone I know expected. And, make no mistake, it represents a real purge. Those men who had formerly been encouraging men in their vocations are now being asked to push them out the door.

I cannot imagine what is going in the hearts of my friends in seminaries who are gay and celibate. What are they supposed to do?

Tragically, this too will prevent any sort of healthy discussion about a person's sexuality, something that is at the heart of coming to understand how to live a life of celibacy with integrity.

Third, the document statement that gay men per se are incapable of relating to men and women is one of the most offensive things I have ever read in any church document about homosexuals. It says to gay men--and by extension, celibate gay priests who have long been in ministry--that they are simply unable to relate to their fellow human beings. After years of dedicated service--after hearing confessions, baptizing infants, preparing people for marriage, sitting by the beds of the sick and dying, and counseling people in trouble--the gay priest is told he doesn't understand people and cannot relate to them.

The recent Instruction is breathtaking in its lack of understanding of the lived experience of celibate gay priests and of gay men and women. It is, to use some official church terminology, a cause for "scandal," something that will cause people to lose heart in the church. And sometime in the future the Catholic church will find itself having to apologize for speaking so callously about an entire group of people. Where, in the end, is the message of Jesus in this document? Where is his message of inclusion and encouragement and love? It is nowhere.

For me, this document is an occasion of deep sadness--for those men who will never enter the seminary, for those men who will feel forced to leave after years of discernment and prayer, and for those celibate gay priests who will feel great anguish over their treatment by the Vatican. And I feel sadness for the people in the pews, too, who will be deprived of something simple: good men.

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Gerard Thomas is the pseudonym of a Catholic priest who has been asked not to publicly disclose that he is celibate and gay. He is in active ministry in the U.S. This article appeared originally on www.beliefnet.com. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

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Interesting Credentials
Posted by: bonapartist on Nov 29, 2005 12:34 AM   
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Well, I might take "Fr. Gerard Thomas" a bit more seriously if http://www.beliefnet.com didn't have such profound additions like a quiz that defines your religion in 20 questions, a daily horoscope, yoga tips etc.

VOILA! Instant religion, American style.

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Love the sinner not the sin, right?
Posted by: bettsoff on Nov 29, 2005 3:31 AM   
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Yet another example of how this shining credo is full of crap. Sure, they'll love you if you're gay--they'll love you like they love a leper--but less, b/c Father Damien actually lived with lepers, and you won't see the Vatican establishing gay colonies for the "instrincially disordered" and ministering to them anytime soon.

What fun. I can think of a couple wonderful priests that this edict is going to drive even further into the closet. I can't understand why they continue to serve an institution that considers them subhuman.

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homosexuality is not pedophilia
Posted by: mazel on Nov 29, 2005 4:14 AM   
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The Catholic church should spend less time worrying about celibate homosexuals and more time worrying about active pedophiles--a distinction they are apparently unable to make. If they think weeding out gays will solve that problem they are in for a rude awakening.

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» RE: homosexuality is not pedophilia Posted by: mountainmama
The Church....
Posted by: sixtiesqueen on Nov 29, 2005 4:22 AM   
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Too many people confuse the Catholic Church as being synonmous with the Catholic faith. As someone who has been Catholic all my life, I no longer go to Church because I disagree with their interpretation of the Bible.
The Church is making terrible mistakes, and turning their back on the true messages of Jesus & the bible- peace, love and forgiveness.

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What about the last part of the edict....?
Posted by: Aureantes on Nov 29, 2005 4:28 AM   
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That being, "...or support the so-called 'gay lifestyle,'" as I read it verbatim in the New York Times' article. Why haven't we heard anything about that part, as it enlarges the scope of this prohibition /to/ effectively forbid any talk of gay human and civil rights within the church hierarchy? It isn't just gays themselves who are being forbidden from the priesthood regardless of their celibacy -- it's anyone who might be suspected of speaking up in their defense. The old and understanding priests will be edged/aged out one way or another in favour of the "purified" class of new clerics, however small-but-determined in number, and all possible voice for gay man and queers in general will be effectively silenced. How's that for systematic prejudice?

At this rate, I would not be atall surprised if Pope Benedict decided to re-arm the so-called Holy Office of the Inquisition...all to preserve the visible sanctity of the Church.

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Get your own sandbox...
Posted by: Troubleshooter on Nov 29, 2005 5:56 AM   
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...if you don't like the rules in theirs.

The anglican church was formed so one guy could get a divorce. Why is it so hard to conceive of the idea of Church of the Cock Sucking Catholics?

Seriously though, the rules have said all along that people are supposed to line up AB not AA or BB. Why is this maneuver by the church such a big screaming issue? Wouldn't it make sense to fire the guy at a company who keeps stealing or who keeps sabotaging your product?

How many of the cases of molestation involve female victims?

Taken as a numbers game it makes perfect sense to target the group that seems to be giving the church the most difficulty.

Now don't take this as anything more than a logical exercise. I think all religion is silly. All I'm doing is addressing the logical framework within which the events are occuring.

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agitator church and state
Posted by: eileenflmng on Nov 29, 2005 6:44 AM   
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Father Mattew Fox was drummed out of the Roman Catholic Institution for THINKING, Speaking and Writing THE TRUTH with COURAGE

On Pentecost Sunday 2005 he nailed a new 95 to the same door in Wittenburg that Martin Luther nailed his to 500 years before.

The times they have a changed:
Theses 2:
"At this time in history, GOD is more MOTHER than FATHER because the FEMININE is most missing....
read more:
A NEW REFORMATION is available at
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A Public service announcement from WAWA:
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church and christ
Posted by: Ruperic on Nov 29, 2005 9:04 AM   
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Of course the Catholic Church is not a christian organization -- in that it does not follow the teachings of JC. It appears to be a cult devoted to the idolatrous worship of female virgins, run by a group of willfully ignorant men who are fearful of sex.

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One has to ask ...
Posted by: ccbite on Nov 29, 2005 10:41 AM   
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I'm sorry, but I have no more tolerance for the church. Why do people STILL believe in this institution or religion for that matter? And why ANY gay person would want to even join ANY church is BEYOND explanation!! Talk about a total mindf*ck! This is the 21st century. Let's move beyond the fables and the fear.

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Gay Protestant speaking...
Posted by: dirkster42 on Nov 29, 2005 10:42 AM   
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It's a real shame that the Roman Catholic Church has been so blind on this issue. It fuels, and gives a legitmate rationale for, a kind of angry anti-Catholicism that has close ties to the history of American racism. Roman Catholic social thought has a lot of good to offer (a lot of liberal ideas about the welfare state and labor unions are more Catholic than Protestant in origin), but gets so bogged down in this kind of nonsense. I can only imagine the pain of Catholics who felt the excitement of Vatican II, and now have to endure the backlash or leave an institution that may mean a great deal to them.

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» RE: Gay Protestant speaking... Posted by: lydia cypher
elsie
Posted by: elsie on Nov 29, 2005 2:15 PM   
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Could someone please enlighten me as to why so much vitriole is being spent on 3% of the population - and that 3% is a group that generally just wants to live in peace in society? Why is it that out of all the practices that are either condemned in the bible (eating shellfish, wearing different fabrics at the same time, women going out during their periods, etc) or that are condoned but rightfully no longer practiced - slavery, stoning adulterers, etc. - homosexuality is the ONLY one still looked upon with fear and loathing?

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ITS BEEN DOWNHILL EVER SINCE PETER FOR THE CC
Posted by: Jeffersonista on Nov 29, 2005 4:04 PM   
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The Catholic Church has been on a downward roll ever since Peter managed to bollox up his boatload of bigotry and fascist wet dreams over the teachings of Christ.

Every time I see that gold plated Pope house and think of all the starving children in the world, I know precisely why the CC ranks as the oldest and most corrupt organization around.

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I don't trust
Posted by: Freon on Nov 29, 2005 5:11 PM   
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I don't trust any church that has a room called the 'rectory'.

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Forget about your humanity
Posted by: Rrose Sélavy on Nov 30, 2005 4:26 AM   
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I call people distinguishing Catholic Church from Catholic faith hypocrits. Catholic church is the incarnation (POPE!!!!!!!)of their faith. If the church is flawded, then publicly say it : criticize it!
The church protects pedophiles and put the fire on homosexuals... As a fag, the only thing i have to expect from a regular priest is jelly-belly-creamy-sympathy anyway (the "they are suffering people, you know" stuff).
I wanted to void my bapteme, but realised catholic church had no rights on my spiritual life (ok, i m a atheist lol, but whatever!) even as a post-christian.
To the Vatican : the fewer the fooler

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News Flash!
Posted by: LeslieGem on Dec 1, 2005 8:28 AM   
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You're not a catholic if you think homosexuality is a normal expression of human sexuality. What do you expect the catholic church to do? They've been very clear on their views of homosexuality. If you are a gay priest, you are the brilliant ally of your own gravediggers.

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The Catholic Church will lose out
Posted by: eastcoker on Dec 1, 2005 12:27 PM   
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Celibate gay men, come to the Orthodox Church. You will find a much healthier environment. Not perfect, but far more understanding than the Catholic Church, which is just shooting itself in the foot. How cruel. All gay celibate Catholic men with a religious vocation are going to become saints because of this persecution...
Catholics, do not stand for this. It is atrocious! Protest.
Men are getting attacked on all fronts. Gay men by the Catholic Church and straight men by aggressive women. Life does not look good for men these days. This is heart breaking.

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» Straight men Posted by: eastcoker
none
Posted by: Raybo on Dec 1, 2005 10:16 PM   
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Having been a Catholic seminarian for 11 years (left 37 years ago) and a thinking person my entire life, it has long been my conclusion that it is this kind of dissociative thinking that makes the Catholic seminaries training grounds for pedophilia. That is, put a healthy man in a place where sexuality is not only not discussed but implicitly (and even explicitly) thought of as sinful in itself, and you create such a repressed environment that it promotes pedophilia. I mean this strongly and literally: the Catholic Church has in the past and is with this ruling creating pedophiles. The Vatican has no more moral authority in the realm of sexuality than the United States has in the realm of peace. Catholics must invoke an inviolable right and obligation within the Catholic Church's own theology, the primacy of individual conscience, and stand tall and rebuke this ruling, yes, right to the face of the Pope himself. Benedict: you are not only not infallible, you are dead wrong. ...sorry, I am starting to really rant, but the biggest sickness in the Catholic Church is this infantilization of its members via Vatical pretense of moral and spiritual authority. This is a yoke in such sore need of being thrown off. Catholics at every level, from the individual on up, must reclaim their right of conscience and reject every and any claim to the contrary. That is authentic religion and spirituality. The other is slavery. Two millenia of slavery is surely enough.

Ray T

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Hierodule
Posted by: Hierodule on Dec 5, 2005 7:23 AM   
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Interesting, isn't it, that the Pope says nothing about Lesbians as nuns. To him, women just don't count. Also, those who protest that homosexuality is a choice never seem to ask those of us who are homosexual; those of us who struggle over a lifetime to find out who we are and what God made us in the face of the church's teachings. Ask me, and I will tell them that homosexuality is not a choice.

What I have learned from my struggle is that the sin is not being homosexual, but the real sin is trying to be something other than what God made us. That is the real sin.

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