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America's Debt Time Bomb
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America's exploding debt is a ticking time-bomb. No one can say for sure what might trigger a crisis and when the bomb might explode, but this much is for sure: America's current level of borrowing is unsustainable.
America's debt crisis is reflected both in our exploding national debt and our astounding level of borrowing from foreigners, as measured in the current account trade deficit. Every day we fail to address these problems, we increase the chances that the country will be facing an economic crisis of major proportions. Yet few Americans are aware that anything is amiss. The mainstream media covers the issue intermittently, but because the debt increases incrementally, the issue lacks the sort of "crisis" banner that motivates editors and reporters. The lessons of history are clear: a nation's heavy borrowing from abroad is usually a precursor to decline. America's debt is also a moral issue, because we are in effect stealing from future generations. By borrowing so heavily today, we are hollowing out the foundation of America's economic future.
There are two components of America's debt time-bomb: the national debt and the current accounts trade deficit.
The national debt: When President Bush took office in 2000, the projected surplus for the U.S. government for the next decade was approximately $5 trillion. By fiscal year 2005 the surplus was entirely gone and the annual domestic deficits were at record levels, somewhere in the range of $350-450 billion depending on whose estimates you use. This is the most radical reversal of government finances in U.S. history. Today the national debt is approximately $7.9 trillion, and growing by over a billion a day.
The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation. Today we rely upon foreigners to finance over 40% of our national debt. In fiscal year 2005 our current account trade deficit is on track to be almost $700 billion, which represents over 6% of our GDP. When America borrows from abroad to finance its domestic deficits, we give foreigners a claim to the financial assets of this country through either interest payments or a share of profits. Essentially America has been borrowing from abroad to finance our military buildup and war in Iraq. Should we continue to run current account deficits comparable to those now prevailing, the net ownership of the U.S. by other countries and their citizens a decade from now will amount to roughly $11 trillion.
Uncharted Territory
The globalization of financial markets has made it easier for American policymakers to engage in potentially dangerous borrowing patterns. Today there is a worldwide glut of savings, and because the United States is viewed favorably by global investors, we have been able to borrow from abroad without any appreciable pain.
But this is all based on a short-term perspective. Sooner or later America must begin paying foreigners back. Even with recent increases in interest rates, they remain relatively low by historical standards and inflation does not seem to be an major concern of policymakers in the short run. This state of affairs has perplexed many economists because, with capital flowing so freely across international boundaries, many of the traditional guideposts used by the Fed to gauge the economy have diminished relevance. If potential long-term problems are masked, the magnitude of an eventual downturn could be greatly magnified.
A confluence of factors could quickly create a downward spiral in the economy. Most likely it would begin when foreign investors lose confidence in America as an investment opportunity. Suddenly and traumatically, this would create a contraction of our economy.
An economy in recession further increases the size of the deficits because of increased interest costs on the existing debt and transfer payments through entitlement programs such as unemployment insurance. This further creates pressures on the financial markets through the "crowding out" effect as the government absorbs a higher share of the available pool of capital.
As businesses have more difficulty raising capital, it further depresses the economy and places additional upward pressure on interest rates. Rising interest rates would take the steam out of a real estate market that has become increasingly speculative and exhibits many bubble-like characteristics. Highly leveraged sectors like the derivative markets could also encounter a severe contraction. Combine these factors with the coming demographic wave of retiring baby boomers and you have the outlines of a major crisis.
Based upon a credit analysis of America's current borrowing and our long-term commitments through entitlement programs, some economists are suggesting that the U.S. Treasury will have no other option than to "monetize" the debt by reducing reduce its real value through intentionally inflationary policies. This is essentially a means by which the government would default on its debt without calling it a default. Individuals and institutions that lent money to the federal government by investing in Treasury bills would be paid back with dollars that are worth less than the dollars they lent.
Confiscating Assets
The integrity of our nation is being compromised by the fiscal irresponsibility of our policymakers. In the process, the stability of our currency and economy is being jeopardized. We should all be concerned because 1) The market value of everyone's financial assets will be reduced dramatically if we stand by and do nothing; 2) The costs of things we buy will rise dramatically if the government inflates the currency; and 3) Republicans will use the exploding national debt as a pretext for cutting social programs.
The unraveling happens in countless invisible acts that most Americans will never be aware of until it is too late. If the U.S. Treasury does "monetize" the debt to reduce its real value, it would be tantamount to the government's "confiscating" the financial assets of its citizens through intentionally inflationary policies. This course of action would have profound implications not only for the sustainability of the global financial system, but all for individual investors. In the words of former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation." As Harvard economist John Maynard Keynes explained: "By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens."
Since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, the debate over America's priorities has been framed in patriotic terms as a need for strong measures to protect the nation from future attacks, whatever the cost. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been linked to this "war on terrorism" and funding for these initiatives has by and large sailed through Congress without substantive debate or questioning. Yet it hardly makes sense for a nation to go into debt to pay for wars and a military buildup, at the expense of other more fundamental and abiding national needs.
While military expenditures go unquestioned in Congress, funding is being cut for education, environmental protection, sustainable energy programs and many other programs that arguably will have a more profound effect on the strength and economic competitiveness of our country. Increasingly the battleground of modern international conflict will be in the global marketplace, rather than in the military sphere. China's economy is growing at an impressive pace. Its need for energy and other resources will ultimately place its national requirements on a collision course with those of the U.S. and other Western nations.
Sooner or later, America must begin paying off its debts, and its binge of borrowing must come to an end. If our leaders continue to ignore the problem, we will all suffer the consequences.
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Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Dec 1, 2005 1:09 AM
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Um yeah but if our debt isn't viewed as a good investment that means we've already had an economic downturn. Interest rates are so low because American debt is a good investment. Usually good customers who are low risk and always pay on time have low interest rates. It seems like the people who have the most to lose (their capital) think its a perfect investment.
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Posted by: Pendelton on Dec 1, 2005 1:58 AM
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Perhaps I have a partial solution to the looming financial crisis that slowly appears on our moneys horizion.
Open government by accountability.
Hold "OUR" elected members to their voting record. By this I mean get your Senators & House of Represenatives votes on issues YOU care about AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH; Phone calls, e-mail, regular mail, letters to newspapers, speak to your friends & relatives, ect.
THEN exercise your constitutional right at election time. (make sure you mention that you intend to hold them responsible come election time) Put this in your letters!
We have elected people who make much more than a 'living wage', get retirement benifits, along with medical/dental, not to mention the "perks" that come with a Federal Office while the poorest of our nations people go without the basic of necessities. Something is definately wrong here.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link
How can we as a nation continue to profit from "war". It is not sustainable. (unless you are a corporation) Once "the enemy" is conquered where is the next area to pour blood & government $ into? We do not have a defense budget. It is a military budget, that gets larger each year due to the scare tatic of THEM.
Nations, cultures, ethnic regions, areas around this globe we all share space on that have no viable sustainability have become breeding grounds for conflict. We export military hardware and promote repressive governments and some of us in this country wonder why there is so much animosity towards us?
People who go to bed at night without hunger, their children are vaccinated, a roof over their heads, a job to go to, a government that isn't going to make them dissapear for their opinions...... These people have a future and don't use violence as a means to communicate.
Please let your elected members know how you feel about their misappropriations of this country priorities.
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Posted by: drew on Dec 1, 2005 2:24 AM
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Posted by: cyclone on Dec 1, 2005 5:21 AM
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If we "stay the course," this economy will TOTALLY COLLAPSE and we'll be in the 1800's again. The real problem is that we no longer control our destiny in this. I go to much greater detail about this on my blog, but suffice to say, many factors contribute to our impending doom, and they all come from one source. George W. Boosh and clan. They have the worst case of tunnel vision and denial I have ever seen, and he seems determined to finsh us. The man is poison, as are all that surround him. If he is allowed to finish his term, we are toast. It's really that simple.
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Posted by: pgj on Dec 1, 2005 5:43 AM
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US residents go into debt to purchase goods manufactured in China (because these goods have a competitiive cost advantage over US-made goods and cost merchants less than US products). This increases the balance of trade deficit as China accumulates greater and greater amounts of US funds. To free up more money so individuals can continue to buy at levels to support a growing overall economy, the government cuts taxes. To support simultaneously growing levels of government spending, increased amounts treasury bills are sold to raise money for that spending. China buys a great many of those T bills with the US currency that it received in payment for the low-cost goods that it exported for sale to US residents.
If interest rates increase so that US residents could no longer continue their debt-supported spending, the economy could tank.
If China at some point reduces its purchase of T bills, interest rates will rise to make them more attractive to other purchasers. This will also increase the cost of borrowing for US residents and reduce their spending.
If the balance of trade deficit continues to increase, and some point pressure on the dollar will result in the dollar falling in value in comparison with other international reserve currencies, leading to the loss of confidence in the US dollar as an international currency.
It is not a pretty picture.
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Posted by: qrswave on Dec 1, 2005 7:35 AM
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But hey, every bit counts!
Please, don't lose hope; spread the WORD!
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Posted by: picket on Dec 1, 2005 8:09 AM
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300 billion + spent.......1.5 billion+ cost per week for Iraq. For every $1.00 taxpayers send to BIG BROTHER, 1/2 + goes to support war profiteers/corporations or WHATEVER !!!!!
Congress too busy??? Oh well, we are all too busy. Today they came for your neighbors job/house. Tomorrow?????
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Posted by: MountainMike on Dec 1, 2005 8:15 AM
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The windfall profit from the unprovocative but huge national debt is that Bush can keep doing tax cuts and paying for those cuts by putting it on the national debt tab. Even Alan Greenspan can come out and criticize tax cuts at the expense of raising the debt and get a ho-hum response. Or in December, a ho-ho-ho hum response in the stampede of ordinary Americans pushing their own private debts with holiday spending. We are in a Tsunami of Lemmings jumping into a bottomless ocean of debt.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 1, 2005 9:30 AM
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Meanwhile, we not only owe economic competitor China enormous debts, but we have moved much of our manufacturing base to within its borders as well. (I'm not disparaging China; they're simply operating within the "free-market" model we are so in love with.) What happens if they should decide to call in that debt? They've already made overtures to either float the value of their currency or base it on the Euro instead of the dollar. We could very quickly find ourselves having to pay back enormous debt with deflated dollars to a country that could confiscate our manufacturing base there for their own use – like forming trade alliances with India, Russia, Southeast Asia, and South America, and cutting us out of the loop.
Yes, Martha, it could happen: Rome was to last forever; "The Sun Never Set on the British Empire"; the Third Reich was to last a thousand years. Where are they now? History is full of bully nations getting their comeuppance – are we next?
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Posted by: adjwilli on Dec 1, 2005 9:42 AM
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The US is in a position to continue to buy anything it wants on credit. The minute banks stop buying our debt, the value of their financial assets also tank. So the only way to keep their assets high is to continue to finance our pleasures (wars).
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Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 1, 2005 1:41 PM
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It is obvious that our level of consumption is unsustainable. We can replace current energy sources, for a time. We can find ways to innovate and save, for a time. But there are "Limits to Growth" to quote a book title that's been around for 35 years.
Will we do anything before we either actually have hyperinflation where money becomes gradually worthless or an economic depression because no one will lend any money? Don't hold your breath.
Hey, this is the "Show Me" country. No one's gonna change anything until forced to do so. And that's because the argument for collapse offered here has nothing more going for it than the argument for DJI 3500. They're both just selling books or blogs.
What would we do without journalists trying to prove to us that "the business of the future is to be dangerous?" (to quote A.N. Whitehead)
Maybe we'd pay attention to what is happening right now. There's enough human misery in the US because of our ruthless social system. Fix the leaks now, and tomorrows leaks will take care of themselves.
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Posted by: whoever on Dec 1, 2005 2:16 PM
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Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability
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Posted by: Rolomax on Dec 1, 2005 3:43 PM
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$8,000,000,000,000.00. Take this number and divide it by the number of US citizens, men, women, and children: approx: 300,000,000.
Answer: $26,667.00. That's how much each and every American owes. Multiply that by the number of family members for what that family owes.
Also, 5% interest on 8 trillion dollars is over a Billion dollars PER DAY.
(I used round numbers here, but they should be fairly close.)
The way I understand it, is that the US Government isn't accountable for the debt. The citizens of the USA are accountable for the national debt.
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Posted by: whoever on Dec 1, 2005 2:17 PM
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Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability
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Posted by: grannygear on Dec 1, 2005 3:55 PM
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Posted by: jiminger on Dec 1, 2005 5:53 PM
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If this were only true.
Despite the dismal failure of federal education programs, the Bush adminstration seems to have no intention of cutting spending there.
I posted a brief entry on this column: Alternet sense
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Dec 1, 2005 7:11 PM
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Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:01 AM
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They tried to divide the young against the old in order to dismantle Social Security. So far they haven’t succeeded, because so many of the young love their parents and grandparents and trust “grandma” more than the government. Many of the young didn’t realize how much we had put in and how it would be good for them too. Now they know. Even so, a bill was recently passed that raised the penalty for retiring at 62 from a 25% deduction of our monthly benefit to a 30% deduction of our benefit. So they are sneaking around and taking from our retirement like the plunderers they are. No telling what else they have done.
And some of the young men who post on financial posts are so focused on wealth, they are scary. They hate taxes and want to destroy all safety nets.
A group of wealthy want to conquer the world and they are using our military and draining our finances to do so. I wouldn’t blame it on the Jewish, even if it were true. Most people will think of the holocaust and become hostile toward you, as you have probably already found out.
Many are influenced by what the media focuses on. The main stream media have a knack for making things seem important or unimportant. They pretend to give news, but in reality we are getting “ distractions” from the important acts of our government. The main stream media focuses on the latest murder. It is what they harp on. They may tell about an important event one time, but unimportant events thousands of times.
Relate what is happening with the economy to your home budget. I was taught that interest was to be avoided as much as possible. “You might as well throw your money to the wind as to pay interest", was my mother's mantra.
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Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:04 AM
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They say the tax rate cut on the rich is working, because we have taken in more taxes the last 2 years. That is a stretch. The oil companies, the military suppliers, insurance and health fields have over charged all of us. It is their profits that have increased taxes. But it is their profits that is killing the rest of us. It isn’t the tax cuts, it is the gouging that increased the taxes taken in.
How do we protect our personal finances? I am no economist and have no idea what a person should do. I don't know what an economic collapse would do to us. I am not even sure what inflation will do to the stock market. Some are investing here and overseas in the stock market and foreign bonds, others buy gold or real estate or diamonds. The prices of those are very expensive at this point. Prices could double or fall to half. Maybe we could diversify and invest in a little of each. And keep some cash to survive with for a few years.
They say foreigners are buying into our stock market. I suppose they will own our businesses that way.
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Posted by: oceanye on Dec 2, 2005 6:34 AM
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Now a question - where do I put my money? Do I buy Euros?? Do I invest in China?? Somebody tell me as I don't see any way out of the mess. (A way out would be to reach the middle class and establish a political party that would represent them - I don't have a clue on how that could be done under the circumstances.) The Bush Gang own the MSM and of course also the Congress, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Supreme Court.
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Posted by: Jeffersonista on Dec 8, 2005 7:11 AM
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The Financial Artificial Intellegences have set into motion thier plan to eradicate 99% of mankind. They achived time travel and have been popping off anyone who did or would stand in their way, like John Lennon, JFK, Martin Luther, you get the picture. Ever notice right wing fascists are among the least favorite assasination targets. Things are worse than Phillip K Dick ever imagined.
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Posted by: Sam McGee on Mar 2, 2006 5:47 AM
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With all due respect to the innocent lives lost, Osama only cost the US a few billion dollars by destroying a couple of 30 year old buildings. Cheney with his perverse idea of reshaping the Middle East has cost the country thousands of times that much by running the national debt up over 8 trillion!
We have lots of oil here in Canada to sell to the US and we certainly aren't going to go to war over it. There are around a trillion barrels of oil in the tar sands. Enough to last several generations. I read once that Cheney, even though he used to be an oil company CEO, had no idea up until a couple of years ago that Canada had that much oil. This is the same guy that is now making major policy decisions for the US. Cheney can't even manage his own shotgun, how can you trust him to manage the most powerful military organization on earth.
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Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Dec 1, 2005 1:09 AM
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Um yeah but if our debt isn't viewed as a good investment that means we've already had an economic downturn. Interest rates are so low because American debt is a good investment. Usually good customers who are low risk and always pay on time have low interest rates. It seems like the people who have the most to lose (their capital) think its a perfect investment.
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Posted by: Pendelton on Dec 1, 2005 1:58 AM
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Perhaps I have a partial solution to the looming financial crisis that slowly appears on our moneys horizion.
Open government by accountability.
Hold "OUR" elected members to their voting record. By this I mean get your Senators & House of Represenatives votes on issues YOU care about AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH; Phone calls, e-mail, regular mail, letters to newspapers, speak to your friends & relatives, ect.
THEN exercise your constitutional right at election time. (make sure you mention that you intend to hold them responsible come election time) Put this in your letters!
We have elected people who make much more than a 'living wage', get retirement benifits, along with medical/dental, not to mention the "perks" that come with a Federal Office while the poorest of our nations people go without the basic of necessities. Something is definately wrong here.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link
How can we as a nation continue to profit from "war". It is not sustainable. (unless you are a corporation) Once "the enemy" is conquered where is the next area to pour blood & government $ into? We do not have a defense budget. It is a military budget, that gets larger each year due to the scare tatic of THEM.
Nations, cultures, ethnic regions, areas around this globe we all share space on that have no viable sustainability have become breeding grounds for conflict. We export military hardware and promote repressive governments and some of us in this country wonder why there is so much animosity towards us?
People who go to bed at night without hunger, their children are vaccinated, a roof over their heads, a job to go to, a government that isn't going to make them dissapear for their opinions...... These people have a future and don't use violence as a means to communicate.
Please let your elected members know how you feel about their misappropriations of this country priorities.
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Posted by: cyclone on Dec 1, 2005 5:21 AM
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If we "stay the course," this economy will TOTALLY COLLAPSE and we'll be in the 1800's again. The real problem is that we no longer control our destiny in this. I go to much greater detail about this on my blog, but suffice to say, many factors contribute to our impending doom, and they all come from one source. George W. Boosh and clan. They have the worst case of tunnel vision and denial I have ever seen, and he seems determined to finsh us. The man is poison, as are all that surround him. If he is allowed to finish his term, we are toast. It's really that simple.
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Posted by: pgj on Dec 1, 2005 5:43 AM
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US residents go into debt to purchase goods manufactured in China (because these goods have a competitiive cost advantage over US-made goods and cost merchants less than US products). This increases the balance of trade deficit as China accumulates greater and greater amounts of US funds. To free up more money so individuals can continue to buy at levels to support a growing overall economy, the government cuts taxes. To support simultaneously growing levels of government spending, increased amounts treasury bills are sold to raise money for that spending. China buys a great many of those T bills with the US currency that it received in payment for the low-cost goods that it exported for sale to US residents.
If interest rates increase so that US residents could no longer continue their debt-supported spending, the economy could tank.
If China at some point reduces its purchase of T bills, interest rates will rise to make them more attractive to other purchasers. This will also increase the cost of borrowing for US residents and reduce their spending.
If the balance of trade deficit continues to increase, and some point pressure on the dollar will result in the dollar falling in value in comparison with other international reserve currencies, leading to the loss of confidence in the US dollar as an international currency.
It is not a pretty picture.
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Posted by: qrswave on Dec 1, 2005 7:35 AM
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But hey, every bit counts!
Please, don't lose hope; spread the WORD!
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Posted by: picket on Dec 1, 2005 8:09 AM
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300 billion + spent.......1.5 billion+ cost per week for Iraq. For every $1.00 taxpayers send to BIG BROTHER, 1/2 + goes to support war profiteers/corporations or WHATEVER !!!!!
Congress too busy??? Oh well, we are all too busy. Today they came for your neighbors job/house. Tomorrow?????
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Posted by: MountainMike on Dec 1, 2005 8:15 AM
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The windfall profit from the unprovocative but huge national debt is that Bush can keep doing tax cuts and paying for those cuts by putting it on the national debt tab. Even Alan Greenspan can come out and criticize tax cuts at the expense of raising the debt and get a ho-hum response. Or in December, a ho-ho-ho hum response in the stampede of ordinary Americans pushing their own private debts with holiday spending. We are in a Tsunami of Lemmings jumping into a bottomless ocean of debt.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 1, 2005 9:30 AM
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Meanwhile, we not only owe economic competitor China enormous debts, but we have moved much of our manufacturing base to within its borders as well. (I'm not disparaging China; they're simply operating within the "free-market" model we are so in love with.) What happens if they should decide to call in that debt? They've already made overtures to either float the value of their currency or base it on the Euro instead of the dollar. We could very quickly find ourselves having to pay back enormous debt with deflated dollars to a country that could confiscate our manufacturing base there for their own use – like forming trade alliances with India, Russia, Southeast Asia, and South America, and cutting us out of the loop.
Yes, Martha, it could happen: Rome was to last forever; "The Sun Never Set on the British Empire"; the Third Reich was to last a thousand years. Where are they now? History is full of bully nations getting their comeuppance – are we next?
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Posted by: adjwilli on Dec 1, 2005 9:42 AM
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The US is in a position to continue to buy anything it wants on credit. The minute banks stop buying our debt, the value of their financial assets also tank. So the only way to keep their assets high is to continue to finance our pleasures (wars).
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Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 1, 2005 1:41 PM
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It is obvious that our level of consumption is unsustainable. We can replace current energy sources, for a time. We can find ways to innovate and save, for a time. But there are "Limits to Growth" to quote a book title that's been around for 35 years.
Will we do anything before we either actually have hyperinflation where money becomes gradually worthless or an economic depression because no one will lend any money? Don't hold your breath.
Hey, this is the "Show Me" country. No one's gonna change anything until forced to do so. And that's because the argument for collapse offered here has nothing more going for it than the argument for DJI 3500. They're both just selling books or blogs.
What would we do without journalists trying to prove to us that "the business of the future is to be dangerous?" (to quote A.N. Whitehead)
Maybe we'd pay attention to what is happening right now. There's enough human misery in the US because of our ruthless social system. Fix the leaks now, and tomorrows leaks will take care of themselves.
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Posted by: whoever on Dec 1, 2005 2:16 PM
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Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability
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Posted by: Rolomax on Dec 1, 2005 3:43 PM
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$8,000,000,000,000.00. Take this number and divide it by the number of US citizens, men, women, and children: approx: 300,000,000.
Answer: $26,667.00. That's how much each and every American owes. Multiply that by the number of family members for what that family owes.
Also, 5% interest on 8 trillion dollars is over a Billion dollars PER DAY.
(I used round numbers here, but they should be fairly close.)
The way I understand it, is that the US Government isn't accountable for the debt. The citizens of the USA are accountable for the national debt.
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Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability
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Posted by: jiminger on Dec 1, 2005 5:53 PM
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If this were only true.
Despite the dismal failure of federal education programs, the Bush adminstration seems to have no intention of cutting spending there.
I posted a brief entry on this column: Alternet sense
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Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:01 AM
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They tried to divide the young against the old in order to dismantle Social Security. So far they haven’t succeeded, because so many of the young love their parents and grandparents and trust “grandma” more than the government. Many of the young didn’t realize how much we had put in and how it would be good for them too. Now they know. Even so, a bill was recently passed that raised the penalty for retiring at 62 from a 25% deduction of our monthly benefit to a 30% deduction of our benefit. So they are sneaking around and taking from our retirement like the plunderers they are. No telling what else they have done.
And some of the young men who post on financial posts are so focused on wealth, they are scary. They hate taxes and want to destroy all safety nets.
A group of wealthy want to conquer the world and they are using our military and draining our finances to do so. I wouldn’t blame it on the Jewish, even if it were true. Most people will think of the holocaust and become hostile toward you, as you have probably already found out.
Many are influenced by what the media focuses on. The main stream media have a knack for making things seem important or unimportant. They pretend to give news, but in reality we are getting “ distractions” from the important acts of our government. The main stream media focuses on the latest murder. It is what they harp on. They may tell about an important event one time, but unimportant events thousands of times.
Relate what is happening with the economy to your home budget. I was taught that interest was to be avoided as much as possible. “You might as well throw your money to the wind as to pay interest", was my mother's mantra.
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Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:04 AM
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They say the tax rate cut on the rich is working, because we have taken in more taxes the last 2 years. That is a stretch. The oil companies, the military suppliers, insurance and health fields have over charged all of us. It is their profits that have increased taxes. But it is their profits that is killing the rest of us. It isn’t the tax cuts, it is the gouging that increased the taxes taken in.
How do we protect our personal finances? I am no economist and have no idea what a person should do. I don't know what an economic collapse would do to us. I am not even sure what inflation will do to the stock market. Some are investing here and overseas in the stock market and foreign bonds, others buy gold or real estate or diamonds. The prices of those are very expensive at this point. Prices could double or fall to half. Maybe we could diversify and invest in a little of each. And keep some cash to survive with for a few years.
They say foreigners are buying into our stock market. I suppose they will own our businesses that way.
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Posted by: oceanye on Dec 2, 2005 6:34 AM
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Now a question - where do I put my money? Do I buy Euros?? Do I invest in China?? Somebody tell me as I don't see any way out of the mess. (A way out would be to reach the middle class and establish a political party that would represent them - I don't have a clue on how that could be done under the circumstances.) The Bush Gang own the MSM and of course also the Congress, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Supreme Court.
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Posted by: Jeffersonista on Dec 8, 2005 7:11 AM
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The Financial Artificial Intellegences have set into motion thier plan to eradicate 99% of mankind. They achived time travel and have been popping off anyone who did or would stand in their way, like John Lennon, JFK, Martin Luther, you get the picture. Ever notice right wing fascists are among the least favorite assasination targets. Things are worse than Phillip K Dick ever imagined.
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Posted by: Sam McGee on Mar 2, 2006 5:47 AM
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With all due respect to the innocent lives lost, Osama only cost the US a few billion dollars by destroying a couple of 30 year old buildings. Cheney with his perverse idea of reshaping the Middle East has cost the country thousands of times that much by running the national debt up over 8 trillion!
We have lots of oil here in Canada to sell to the US and we certainly aren't going to go to war over it. There are around a trillion barrels of oil in the tar sands. Enough to last several generations. I read once that Cheney, even though he used to be an oil company CEO, had no idea up until a couple of years ago that Canada had that much oil. This is the same guy that is now making major policy decisions for the US. Cheney can't even manage his own shotgun, how can you trust him to manage the most powerful military organization on earth.
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