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America's Debt Time Bomb

By John F. Ince, AlterNet. Posted December 1, 2005.


Every day that we fail to address our exploding debt we increase the chances that the country will be facing an economic crisis of major proportions.

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[Editor's Note: John Ince is the producer/director of a new documentary about America's debt crisis. For more information, visit TIME-BOMB.org.]

America's exploding debt is a ticking time-bomb. No one can say for sure what might trigger a crisis and when the bomb might explode, but this much is for sure: America's current level of borrowing is unsustainable.

America's debt crisis is reflected both in our exploding national debt and our astounding level of borrowing from foreigners, as measured in the current account trade deficit. Every day we fail to address these problems, we increase the chances that the country will be facing an economic crisis of major proportions. Yet few Americans are aware that anything is amiss. The mainstream media covers the issue intermittently, but because the debt increases incrementally, the issue lacks the sort of "crisis" banner that motivates editors and reporters. The lessons of history are clear: a nation's heavy borrowing from abroad is usually a precursor to decline. America's debt is also a moral issue, because we are in effect stealing from future generations. By borrowing so heavily today, we are hollowing out the foundation of America's economic future.

There are two components of America's debt time-bomb: the national debt and the current accounts trade deficit.

The national debt: When President Bush took office in 2000, the projected surplus for the U.S. government for the next decade was approximately $5 trillion. By fiscal year 2005 the surplus was entirely gone and the annual domestic deficits were at record levels, somewhere in the range of $350-450 billion depending on whose estimates you use. This is the most radical reversal of government finances in U.S. history. Today the national debt is approximately $7.9 trillion, and growing by over a billion a day.

The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation. Today we rely upon foreigners to finance over 40% of our national debt. In fiscal year 2005 our current account trade deficit is on track to be almost $700 billion, which represents over 6% of our GDP. When America borrows from abroad to finance its domestic deficits, we give foreigners a claim to the financial assets of this country through either interest payments or a share of profits. Essentially America has been borrowing from abroad to finance our military buildup and war in Iraq. Should we continue to run current account deficits comparable to those now prevailing, the net ownership of the U.S. by other countries and their citizens a decade from now will amount to roughly $11 trillion.

Uncharted Territory

The globalization of financial markets has made it easier for American policymakers to engage in potentially dangerous borrowing patterns. Today there is a worldwide glut of savings, and because the United States is viewed favorably by global investors, we have been able to borrow from abroad without any appreciable pain.

But this is all based on a short-term perspective. Sooner or later America must begin paying foreigners back. Even with recent increases in interest rates, they remain relatively low by historical standards and inflation does not seem to be an major concern of policymakers in the short run. This state of affairs has perplexed many economists because, with capital flowing so freely across international boundaries, many of the traditional guideposts used by the Fed to gauge the economy have diminished relevance. If potential long-term problems are masked, the magnitude of an eventual downturn could be greatly magnified.

A confluence of factors could quickly create a downward spiral in the economy. Most likely it would begin when foreign investors lose confidence in America as an investment opportunity. Suddenly and traumatically, this would create a contraction of our economy.

An economy in recession further increases the size of the deficits because of increased interest costs on the existing debt and transfer payments through entitlement programs such as unemployment insurance. This further creates pressures on the financial markets through the "crowding out" effect as the government absorbs a higher share of the available pool of capital.


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John Ince wrote, directed and produced the documentary film, Time Bomb.

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Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Dec 1, 2005 1:09 AM   
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"A confluence of factors could quickly create a downward spiral in the economy. Most likely it would begin when foreign investors lose confidence in America as an investment opportunity"

Um yeah but if our debt isn't viewed as a good investment that means we've already had an economic downturn. Interest rates are so low because American debt is a good investment. Usually good customers who are low risk and always pay on time have low interest rates. It seems like the people who have the most to lose (their capital) think its a perfect investment.

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Dominick G.
Posted by: Pendelton on Dec 1, 2005 1:58 AM   
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RE: John Inces' America's Debt Time Bomb

Perhaps I have a partial solution to the looming financial crisis that slowly appears on our moneys horizion.

Open government by accountability.

Hold "OUR" elected members to their voting record. By this I mean get your Senators & House of Represenatives votes on issues YOU care about AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH; Phone calls, e-mail, regular mail, letters to newspapers, speak to your friends & relatives, ect.
THEN exercise your constitutional right at election time. (make sure you mention that you intend to hold them responsible come election time) Put this in your letters!

We have elected people who make much more than a 'living wage', get retirement benifits, along with medical/dental, not to mention the "perks" that come with a Federal Office while the poorest of our nations people go without the basic of necessities. Something is definately wrong here.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link

How can we as a nation continue to profit from "war". It is not sustainable. (unless you are a corporation) Once "the enemy" is conquered where is the next area to pour blood & government $ into? We do not have a defense budget. It is a military budget, that gets larger each year due to the scare tatic of THEM.

Nations, cultures, ethnic regions, areas around this globe we all share space on that have no viable sustainability have become breeding grounds for conflict. We export military hardware and promote repressive governments and some of us in this country wonder why there is so much animosity towards us?

People who go to bed at night without hunger, their children are vaccinated, a roof over their heads, a job to go to, a government that isn't going to make them dissapear for their opinions...... These people have a future and don't use violence as a means to communicate.

Please let your elected members know how you feel about their misappropriations of this country priorities.

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» Thank you, Pendleton! Posted by: qrswave
» When lobbyists spend millions? Posted by: LeonDion
» RE: When lobbyists spend millions? Posted by: liberalibrarian
» RE: Dominick G. Posted by: sidewinder
drew
Posted by: drew on Dec 1, 2005 2:24 AM   
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debt is the most direct threat to our long term well being that we are experiening at this time. It is unfortunate that it is not a sexy problem, one that generates a strong reaction from the people who will be its victims- it certainly will be the only concern when the consequences of irresponsibility occur. It is notable that the democrates, with a few expections, are as irresponsible with the economic future as the republicans. this is clearly a frame in which national priorities should be discussed and another reason that the extremely privileged pay taxes in a manner proportional to their benefits and use of social capital.

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Duh.....
Posted by: cyclone on Dec 1, 2005 5:21 AM   
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I have been talking about this for months, and no one appears to understand or care about the seriousness of this issue. This author took the softball approach. It is much more dire than the picture painted here, our economy could implode literally overnight. Just this week I put a piece on my blog that gives a scenario that is very real, based upon many of the things this article says. Sure, it reads like science fiction, but it is the TRUTH. I am glad to see someone on Alternet finally talk about this, but the situation is much worse than this piece depicts.

If we "stay the course," this economy will TOTALLY COLLAPSE and we'll be in the 1800's again. The real problem is that we no longer control our destiny in this. I go to much greater detail about this on my blog, but suffice to say, many factors contribute to our impending doom, and they all come from one source. George W. Boosh and clan. They have the worst case of tunnel vision and denial I have ever seen, and he seems determined to finsh us. The man is poison, as are all that surround him. If he is allowed to finish his term, we are toast. It's really that simple.

Cyclone

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PGJ
Posted by: pgj on Dec 1, 2005 5:43 AM   
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There is a third huge form of debt that could provoke an economic crisis: personal debt. All of these areas of indebtedness operate together to increase the instability of the US economy and increase the risk of what amounts to national insolvency.
US residents go into debt to purchase goods manufactured in China (because these goods have a competitiive cost advantage over US-made goods and cost merchants less than US products). This increases the balance of trade deficit as China accumulates greater and greater amounts of US funds. To free up more money so individuals can continue to buy at levels to support a growing overall economy, the government cuts taxes. To support simultaneously growing levels of government spending, increased amounts treasury bills are sold to raise money for that spending. China buys a great many of those T bills with the US currency that it received in payment for the low-cost goods that it exported for sale to US residents.
If interest rates increase so that US residents could no longer continue their debt-supported spending, the economy could tank.
If China at some point reduces its purchase of T bills, interest rates will rise to make them more attractive to other purchasers. This will also increase the cost of borrowing for US residents and reduce their spending.
If the balance of trade deficit continues to increase, and some point pressure on the dollar will result in the dollar falling in value in comparison with other international reserve currencies, leading to the loss of confidence in the US dollar as an international currency.
It is not a pretty picture.

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» Thank you for noticing! Posted by: qrswave
» RE: PGJ Posted by: ShaSpirit
» RE: PGJ Posted by: churchofone
Thank GOD, a writer takes notice that WE THE PEOPLE are bleeding from the JUGULAR
Posted by: qrswave on Dec 1, 2005 7:35 AM   
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I agree with the general comments above that the piece paints a soft picture of the looming disaster,

But hey, every bit counts!

Please, don't lose hope; spread the WORD!

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What about the derivatives market?
Posted by: ghoster on Dec 1, 2005 8:03 AM   
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You are missing the other leg of this mess, the derivatives market which are heavily invested in by the hedge funds which the richest corps and people are heavily invested in. No one is sure how they work, they were designed by a team of mathmaticians and physicists, not economists. So are we just living in a dream? I guess so, but the good thing for me is I am not invested in anything, so not much to lose. When you are counting on material wealth to save your ass it usually doesn't.

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CONGRESSIONAL ACCOUNTING
Posted by: picket on Dec 1, 2005 8:09 AM   
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Accounting methods nonexistent for the Iraq war? Maybe not.

300 billion + spent.......1.5 billion+ cost per week for Iraq. For every $1.00 taxpayers send to BIG BROTHER, 1/2 + goes to support war profiteers/corporations or WHATEVER !!!!!

Congress too busy??? Oh well, we are all too busy. Today they came for your neighbors job/house. Tomorrow?????

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An Article about the BIG Issue for a Change
Posted by: MountainMike on Dec 1, 2005 8:15 AM   
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I was hoping to see the mainstream media pick up on our debt surpassing the $8 trillion mark. Little if anything was said. Why? It is not a provocative news story that will sell newspapers and magazines and increase the visits to a website. In short, numbers are not provocative. Huge numbers are not provocative because the ordinary layman goes glassy-eyed the second you are beyond the lottery definition of big money. There is no common concept of 8 trillion unless you express it as "putting dollar bills end to end and going around the earth over 30,000 times." The real issue isn't the debt itself, but making it PROVOCATIVE enough to get widespread coverage.

The windfall profit from the unprovocative but huge national debt is that Bush can keep doing tax cuts and paying for those cuts by putting it on the national debt tab. Even Alan Greenspan can come out and criticize tax cuts at the expense of raising the debt and get a ho-hum response. Or in December, a ho-ho-ho hum response in the stampede of ordinary Americans pushing their own private debts with holiday spending. We are in a Tsunami of Lemmings jumping into a bottomless ocean of debt.

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» Thank you MountainMike!!! Posted by: qrswave
» I like your idea, GeoffW Posted by: qrswave
Will We Follow Other Empires Into Oblivion?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 1, 2005 9:30 AM   
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A lot of our borrowing to cover the "war" in Iraq (say: "resource confiscation") is basically welfare for the Military-Industrial Complex. A real war on terrorism is fought in the style of the terrorists: in the shadows, with clandestine operations, small hit groups, psy-ops, special forces, etc. along the lines of CIA operations. These types of reponses do not require guns and tanks and planes, so the M-I complex would have nothing to build. So, presto-chango, terrorism finds a home in Iraq, and we go in with...guns and tanks and planes – and happy days for the M-I Complex is assured, as the U.S. augers down a bottomless black hole of deficits.

Meanwhile, we not only owe economic competitor China enormous debts, but we have moved much of our manufacturing base to within its borders as well. (I'm not disparaging China; they're simply operating within the "free-market" model we are so in love with.) What happens if they should decide to call in that debt? They've already made overtures to either float the value of their currency or base it on the Euro instead of the dollar. We could very quickly find ourselves having to pay back enormous debt with deflated dollars to a country that could confiscate our manufacturing base there for their own use – like forming trade alliances with India, Russia, Southeast Asia, and South America, and cutting us out of the loop.

Yes, Martha, it could happen: Rome was to last forever; "The Sun Never Set on the British Empire"; the Third Reich was to last a thousand years. Where are they now? History is full of bully nations getting their comeuppance – are we next?

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The Coming Debt Crisis is Make Believe
Posted by: adjwilli on Dec 1, 2005 9:42 AM   
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Everyone thinks the Chinese are covertly screwing the US and the world financial systems by producing cheap products and purchaing the world's debt. What people tend to forget though is that the debt the Chinese - and other nations - are purchasing is only worth as much as they're willing to pay for it. That being said, when you stop buying American debt, the value of the debt you own goes down as well. So if the Chinese really wanted to screw us by devaluing our debt and currency, they'd be doing is lowering the value of their assests (our debt).

The US is in a position to continue to buy anything it wants on credit. The minute banks stop buying our debt, the value of their financial assets also tank. So the only way to keep their assets high is to continue to finance our pleasures (wars).

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» RE: Bullshit has a nice ring Posted by: ShaSpirit
Master Plan
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Dec 1, 2005 10:52 AM   
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The global elite wealthy do not care what happens to this country. They are like parasites. Once our economy collapses they'll move on to another country and repeat the entire process: buy up the media, brainwash the people into rampant consumerism, buy off the politicians, and watch the money flow into their pockets. And if the entire global economy collapses? So what. They can retire on some tropical island surrounded by ex-US battleships bought at liquidation prices.

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» Thank goodness for peak oil! Posted by: LeonDion
Isn't this just the flip side of DJI 3,500?
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 1, 2005 1:41 PM   
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Yes, paper profits are nice so long as they are there when you need them. And they can either keep going up or they can turn to, well, paper.

It is obvious that our level of consumption is unsustainable. We can replace current energy sources, for a time. We can find ways to innovate and save, for a time. But there are "Limits to Growth" to quote a book title that's been around for 35 years.

Will we do anything before we either actually have hyperinflation where money becomes gradually worthless or an economic depression because no one will lend any money? Don't hold your breath.

Hey, this is the "Show Me" country. No one's gonna change anything until forced to do so. And that's because the argument for collapse offered here has nothing more going for it than the argument for DJI 3500. They're both just selling books or blogs.

What would we do without journalists trying to prove to us that "the business of the future is to be dangerous?" (to quote A.N. Whitehead)

Maybe we'd pay attention to what is happening right now. There's enough human misery in the US because of our ruthless social system. Fix the leaks now, and tomorrows leaks will take care of themselves.

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Actually, A Broader Problem
Posted by: whoever on Dec 1, 2005 2:16 PM   
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I know America's impending economic collapse is broad enough, but I think another dimension of it deserves inclusion. At least according to what I've seen, we are the world's consumption and investment 'sink'--raw materials, products, and funds (and admiration/imitation of our lifestyle) all flow 'in' to us, and the demand feuls economic activity elsewhere. If the US stops consuming, world-wide depression (and the predictable consequences--war, etc.) sets in unless another country (China) takes over as the consumer--and I'm not sure they have the mindset or institutional capacity to do that.
Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability

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Some math:
Posted by: Rolomax on Dec 1, 2005 3:43 PM   
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8 Trillion dollars is an 8 with 12 zeroes after it, like so:

$8,000,000,000,000.00. Take this number and divide it by the number of US citizens, men, women, and children: approx: 300,000,000.

Answer: $26,667.00. That's how much each and every American owes. Multiply that by the number of family members for what that family owes.

Also, 5% interest on 8 trillion dollars is over a Billion dollars PER DAY.

(I used round numbers here, but they should be fairly close.)

The way I understand it, is that the US Government isn't accountable for the debt. The citizens of the USA are accountable for the national debt.

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» RE: Some better math: Posted by: Rolomax
Actually, A Broader Problem
Posted by: whoever on Dec 1, 2005 2:17 PM   
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I know America's impending economic collapse is broad enough, but I think another dimension of it deserves inclusion. At least according to what I've seen, we are the world's consumption and investment 'sink'--raw materials, products, and funds (and admiration/imitation of our lifestyle) all flow 'in' to us, and the demand feuls economic activity elsewhere. If the US stops consuming, world-wide depression (and the predictable consequences--war, etc.) sets in unless another country (China) takes over as the consumer--and I'm not sure they have the mindset or institutional capacity to do that.
Now, if only I were dictator of the world, I would try to steer things toward a soft landing--impose a stiff consumption tax in this country, plus income equalization (globally?), plus debt reduction, plus work-day limits that would outlaw forcibly 'overworked Americans'. The problem is that world productive capacity/production is way too high, and if there's no 'sink', there's disaster (of a different sort than is coming from overconsumption). I think Bush belongs in the Hague (as criminal, on multiple counts), but I sympathize with his situation (though I admit he probably doesn't understand it)--if America stops being the credible Single Superstate, everything falls apart. There's no easy way to get from here to sustainability

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» RE: Actually, A Broader Problem Posted by: sidewinder
grannygear
Posted by: grannygear on Dec 1, 2005 3:55 PM   
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The economy will collapse just as the oil runs out and nobody's doin' nuthin'!

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» RE: grannygear Posted by: cyclone
Oh No! The federal government is cutting education spending?
Posted by: jiminger on Dec 1, 2005 5:53 PM   
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"While military expenditures go unquestioned in Congress, funding is being cut for education, ..."

If this were only true.

Despite the dismal failure of federal education programs, the Bush adminstration seems to have no intention of cutting spending there.

I posted a brief entry on this column: Alternet sense

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Whose problem?
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Dec 1, 2005 7:11 PM   
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So we all agree that this is a big problem. A big problem for the middle class. The workingman will be saddled with most of this debt. If jobs continue to be exported wages will go down, making repayment even more burdensome. This is one of many middle class problems that tell me that the middle class had better get over their partisanship. We have common interests. We each have more in common with a middle class member of the other party than with the elite of our own party. It is time to dump party affiliations and tell both parties that we will not support either party unless they solve our problems. Click on Do it now

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No! They are creating an Economic Katrina
Posted by: vomitgalore on Dec 1, 2005 9:39 PM   
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I fully understand what is happening here and I/m not an economist. That means the powers that be know exactly what they are doing and what the consequences are! They are doing it on purpose. They want a collapse badly. It will wipe away all the folks who are not financially able to survive a complete economic meltdown- its the perfect excuse for their planned racial cleansing, war by attrition.....

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What is a person to do?
Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:01 AM   
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“Divide and conquer” has worked. The middle class is divided as “republican vs. democrat”. Plus, the middle class is divided against the poor. It is almost as if the leaders have declared war on the rest of us, and we are busy arguing with each other while they are quietly destroying us in the background.

They tried to divide the young against the old in order to dismantle Social Security. So far they haven’t succeeded, because so many of the young love their parents and grandparents and trust “grandma” more than the government. Many of the young didn’t realize how much we had put in and how it would be good for them too. Now they know. Even so, a bill was recently passed that raised the penalty for retiring at 62 from a 25% deduction of our monthly benefit to a 30% deduction of our benefit. So they are sneaking around and taking from our retirement like the plunderers they are. No telling what else they have done.

And some of the young men who post on financial posts are so focused on wealth, they are scary. They hate taxes and want to destroy all safety nets.

A group of wealthy want to conquer the world and they are using our military and draining our finances to do so. I wouldn’t blame it on the Jewish, even if it were true. Most people will think of the holocaust and become hostile toward you, as you have probably already found out.

Many are influenced by what the media focuses on. The main stream media have a knack for making things seem important or unimportant. They pretend to give news, but in reality we are getting “ distractions” from the important acts of our government. The main stream media focuses on the latest murder. It is what they harp on. They may tell about an important event one time, but unimportant events thousands of times.

Relate what is happening with the economy to your home budget. I was taught that interest was to be avoided as much as possible. “You might as well throw your money to the wind as to pay interest", was my mother's mantra.

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What is a person to do? (continued)
Posted by: reason on Dec 2, 2005 3:04 AM   
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There are economists that will jump to the defense of the administration paying billions of dollars interest to foreign countries. They talk about what a rich country we have and the debt is a small percentage of our gdp. The thing is, with the tax cuts, our rich are putting the burden on the rest of us. It doesn’t matter how rich “Uncle Joe” is, if he lives with us and doesn’t contribute any of his money to pay the bills. Another thing is the money we pay on foreign interest doesn’t stay here where it can be recycled.

They say the tax rate cut on the rich is working, because we have taken in more taxes the last 2 years. That is a stretch. The oil companies, the military suppliers, insurance and health fields have over charged all of us. It is their profits that have increased taxes. But it is their profits that is killing the rest of us. It isn’t the tax cuts, it is the gouging that increased the taxes taken in.

How do we protect our personal finances? I am no economist and have no idea what a person should do. I don't know what an economic collapse would do to us. I am not even sure what inflation will do to the stock market. Some are investing here and overseas in the stock market and foreign bonds, others buy gold or real estate or diamonds. The prices of those are very expensive at this point. Prices could double or fall to half. Maybe we could diversify and invest in a little of each. And keep some cash to survive with for a few years.

They say foreigners are buying into our stock market. I suppose they will own our businesses that way.

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I've learned much here!
Posted by: oceanye on Dec 2, 2005 6:34 AM   
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I've learned much here. The article and the comments in particular have filled in some gaps for me. It would be nice if George Bush would read the article and comments, and then tell his servant God to explain it to him. Unfortunately, I have the feeling George Bush will do something not discussed here when the Chinese start pulling their loans - he will invade China. That might even be the plan!

Now a question - where do I put my money? Do I buy Euros?? Do I invest in China?? Somebody tell me as I don't see any way out of the mess. (A way out would be to reach the middle class and establish a political party that would represent them - I don't have a clue on how that could be done under the circumstances.) The Bush Gang own the MSM and of course also the Congress, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Supreme Court.

oceanye

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what rural American thinks of China and our debt
Posted by: sharonJ on Dec 6, 2005 8:53 AM   
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So here I am in Laceyville, PA, population 500 on a good day, and I'm at Vern's Supply and Feed when the owner brings up the latest petition to stop a super Wal-Mart from opening up in the "big town" where we go to shop. I'm amazed to hear her and the other customers speak out against Wal-Mart, how it buys everything from China to the detriment of its and our workers, and how China has bought up so much of our debt they're liable to own America any day now. I was beginning to despair that most people in the U.S. spend their lives in front of the TV, completely ignorant of what's going on, but now I have some hope....

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Its called MASSIVE POLITICAL CRONYISM
Posted by: Jeffersonista on Dec 8, 2005 7:11 AM   
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BUSH AND CO have seen how the cronies in china control the resources and exclude the masses. Plan A for you and me. Expect the accreation of weath to the few and poverty for the many to increase geometricly. They have seen the promised land and it is called China. Where Google, GM and Microsoft are quite willing to let "democracy" and "freedom" disappear as long as they get to be one of the few at the top.
The Financial Artificial Intellegences have set into motion thier plan to eradicate 99% of mankind. They achived time travel and have been popping off anyone who did or would stand in their way, like John Lennon, JFK, Martin Luther, you get the picture. Ever notice right wing fascists are among the least favorite assasination targets. Things are worse than Phillip K Dick ever imagined.

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No Fear
Posted by: Sam McGee on Mar 2, 2006 5:47 AM   
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If I were living in the US I would fear Dick Cheney more than Osama Bin Laden. He's done more harm to the country than the terrorists could ever dream of doing. From what I can see he is only using Bush, Rumsfeld and others to achieve his goals.

With all due respect to the innocent lives lost, Osama only cost the US a few billion dollars by destroying a couple of 30 year old buildings. Cheney with his perverse idea of reshaping the Middle East has cost the country thousands of times that much by running the national debt up over 8 trillion!

We have lots of oil here in Canada to sell to the US and we certainly aren't going to go to war over it. There are around a trillion barrels of oil in the tar sands. Enough to last several generations. I read once that Cheney, even though he used to be an oil company CEO, had no idea up until a couple of years ago that Canada had that much oil. This is the same guy that is now making major policy decisions for the US. Cheney can't even manage his own shotgun, how can you trust him to manage the most powerful military organization on earth.

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