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America's Stay-at-Home Feminists

By Linda Hirshman, The American Prospect. Posted November 24, 2005.


More and more women are leaving the workforce to stay home and raise kids. Has feminism failed?
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The Truth About Elite Women

Half of the wealthiest, most-privileged, best-educated females in the country stay home with their babies rather than work in the market economy.

When in September the New York Times featured an article exploring a piece of this story, "Many Women at Elite Colleges Set Career Path to Motherhood," the blogosphere went ballistic, countering with anecdotes and sarcasm.

Slate's Jack Shafer accused the Times of "weasel-words" and of publishing the same story -- essentially, "The Opt-Out Revolution" -- every few years, and, recently, every few weeks. (A month after the flap, the Times' only female columnist, Maureen Dowd, invoked the elite-college article in her contribution to the Times' running soap, "What's A Modern Girl To Do? about how women must forgo feminism even to get laid.)

The colleges article provoked such fury that the Times had to post an explanation of the then-student journalist's methodology on its Web site.

There's only one problem: There is important truth in the dropout story. Even though it appeared in The New York Times.

I stumbled across the news three years ago when researching a book on marriage after feminism. I found that among the educated elite, who are the logical heirs of the agenda of empowering women, feminism has largely failed in its goals. There are few women in the corridors of power, and marriage is essentially unchanged. The number of women at universities exceeds the number of men. But, more than a generation after feminism, the number of women in elite jobs doesn't come close.

Why did this happen? The answer I discovered -- an answer neither feminist leaders nor women themselves want to face -- is that while the public world has changed, albeit imperfectly, to accommodate women among the elite, private lives have hardly budged. The real glass ceiling is at home.

Looking back, it seems obvious that the unreconstructed family was destined to re-emerge after the passage of feminism's storm of social change. Following the original impulse to address everything in the lives of women, feminism turned its focus to cracking open the doors of the public power structure.

This was no small task. At the beginning, there were male juries and male Ivy League schools, sex-segregated want ads, discriminatory employers, harassing colleagues. As a result of feminist efforts -- and larger economic trends -- the percentage of women, even of mothers in full- or part-time employment, rose robustly through the 1980s and early '90s.

But then the pace slowed. The census numbers for all working mothers leveled off around 1990 and have fallen modestly since 1998. In interviews, women with enough money to quit work say they are "choosing" to opt out. Their words conceal a crucial reality: the belief that women are responsible for child-rearing and homemaking was largely untouched by decades of workplace feminism. Add to this the good evidence that the upper-class workplace has become more demanding and then mix in the successful conservative cultural campaign to reinforce traditional gender roles and you've got a perfect recipe for feminism's stall.

People who don't like the message attack the data. True, the Times based its college story on a survey of questionable reliability and a bunch of interviews. It is not necessary to give credence to Dowd's book, from which her Times Magazine piece was taken and which seems to be mostly based on her lifetime of bad dates and some e-mails from fellow Timesreporters, to wonder if all this noise doesn't mean something important is going on in the politics of the sexes.

What evidence is good enough? Let's start with you. Educated and affluent reader, if you are a 30- or 40-something woman with children, what are you doing? Husbands, what are your wives doing? Older readers, what are your married daughters with children doing? I have asked this question of scores of women and men. Among the affluent-educated-married population, women are letting their careers slide to tend the home fires. If my interviewees are working, they work largely part time, and their part-time careers are not putting them in the executive suite.

Here's some more evidence: During the '90s, I taught a course in sexual bargaining at a very good college. Each year, after the class reviewed the low rewards for child-care work, I asked how the students anticipated combining work with child-rearing. At least half the female students described lives of part-time or home-based work. Guys expected their female partners to care for the children. When I asked the young men how they reconciled that prospect with the manifest low regard the market has for child care, they were mystified. Turning to the women who had spoken before, they said, uniformly, "But she chose it."


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Linda R. Hirshman retired as the Allen/Berenson Distinguished Visiting Professor at Brandeis University. She is at work on a book about marriage after feminism. With almost no effort, she landed spot No. 77 on Bernard Goldberg’s "100 People Who Are Screwing Up America."

Copyright 2005 by The American Prospect, Inc. Originally published as "Homeward Bound". This article may not be resold, reprinted, or redistributed for compensation of any kind without prior written permission from the author. Direct questions about permissions to permissions@prospect.org.

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Posted by: lynx on Nov 24, 2005 1:05 AM   
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first off, I can't speak for women - let alone wealthy elite-educated women - but if given the opportunity to stay home and spend time with my family and not have to worry about how to pay the bills, I'd choose staying home in about 3 seconds flat. being a working class man I'm never going to get that option, but if I had it i'd choose it.

the critical issue is one of values, the author of the article values wealth, power, and status within the existing social-economic system - already a major departure from feminism's radical roots - and is suprised and horrified that her peers do not seem to value the same things.
it is inconcievable to the author that somoene would dismiss the status and wealth of the corporate world and prefer to stay home and make apple pie with their children, and because she is unable to see this as a valid choice she must denigrate that choice as degrading the value of a strangers life. it's that kind of attitude that makes people dismiss liberals as elitist and out of touch.

if women are being forced or conditioned to stay home that's one thing, if men are refusing to help raise children that's another thing, but if women who are wealthy enough to have a choice are choosing to raise their children themselves rather then subcontract the job out to working-class women, then I have to say more power to them.

I may be somewhat biased here, My sister is a live-in nanny for a wealthy liberal family in berkeley and is essentially in charge of raising the children. the kids (especially the teenage daughter) are angry at their mother for 'abandoning' them and treat my sister like shit. It's not a healthy situation for the kids or for my sister and I can't help thinking everyone would be better off if the parents would raise their own children (notice I said parents, not mother).

if we want a society where parents divide child-rearing responsibilities more evenly we'd do well to support labor unions, demand shorter work weeks and higher wages (something Europeans have enjoyed for years), and give parents (fathers and mothers both) back their time. the answer is less time spent working, less emphasis on status, wealth, and power, and more emphasis on families and communities. to demand that women leave their children to be cared for by strangers and fall into the same carreer traps so many men have fallen into is dangerously counterproductive at best.

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I did not ever think about conservative values making women become housewifes
Posted by: ShaSpirit on Nov 24, 2005 2:27 AM   
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Most of the people I know, do not have a choice about working or staying home. Even though I am retired, I still feel quilty because I am not working. This was my family's value. My mother, the Doctor, married down, as this article suggests is good. I did not stay home and raise my kids, because I had those kids in college. I got to face that no equal jobs for equal pay and really few jobs open to women. Too bad that little fact is lost on so many young women today, who do not understand how it used to before the feminist movement.

Of course I never married money, so did not have choice about working. I understand what the article is saying, about the glass ceiling at home. I do not see that changing anytime soon. Rich people tend to be republicans, which means they are conservatives. We all know that is the Good, Old Boys Club with middle aged white males running it, no matter what they say is true. A picture is worth a 1000 words. Look at Bush & CO top guys. Yes, there are women and people of color, but not too many as most pictures will tell you.

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alternatives
Posted by: Greg on Nov 24, 2005 3:09 AM   
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I was blessed by a mother who thought one of the most pathetic things in life was "a helpless male in the kitchen." She taught me and my two brothers how to cook and run a household. I was an active participant in child-rearing, and did a stint as a "stay at home dad." My two marriages were to strong capable women: one who owned her own business, and one who is in management for a large corporation earning about twice my income. All of that is only to say that while traditional gender roles are still "viable", there are alternatives being explored. Perhaps if more focus was put on the middle and working class, more accomodation for variety regarding gender roles would be found!

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"Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine"
Posted by: reugen on Nov 24, 2005 3:47 AM   
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There's nothing wrong with a woman wanting to stay at home to manage the house and kids. Having worked with a younger woman with kids as a supervisor I fully endorese the concept of women staying at home while their kids are younger.

If is not a horrible social trend if women stay at home to raise the kids. Never has been, never will be.

Men and women are different. Thank the goddess for that. Feminism that urges a woman to do everything a man can do misses the point.

Respect the differences between the sexes and find ways to maximize the creative value each brings to a relationship. A caring relationship filled with love and respect is the best relationship any feminist can ask for.

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melissa in virginia
Posted by: mlblock on Nov 24, 2005 4:08 AM   
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Amazing how those who would shuttle mothers with milk-swollen breasts and episiotomy stitches back to their high-powered workplaces forget some VERY important truths of motherhood:

1. Women are being strongly encouraged by health authorities to breastfeed their children on demand for at least a year. Try doing that from the office. Try giving that job to Mr. Mom.

2. We cannot expect to turn over the incredibly important job of nurturing, holding, cuddling, teaching, and guiding our children to some paid lackey or chaotic day-care center. In doing so, we renege both our responsibility and our rewards as parents. In doing so, we take a big chance that our children will not be raised in the way we want them to be raised. And the early experience of children dictates, to a large extent, the adults they will become. Is taking chances on that worth the possible fallout later?

How is it that raising intelligent, sensitive, thoughtful, generous children is less important than throwing our energies into maintaining the excesses of the American consumer culture?

I wonder whether Ms. Hirshman ever had a child herself.

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Moralistic mother - no thanks
Posted by: philame on Nov 24, 2005 4:40 AM   
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I don't turn to feminism for a moralistic mother figure. I turn to feminism to anchor my social justice work.

Mother Hirshman doled out this lovely, affirming advice for us stupid young women: "There are three rules: Prepare yourself to qualify for good work, treat work seriously, and don't put yourself in a position of unequal resources when you marry."

I don't come from a wealthy family so when I went to college - here's the shocker - I was THINKING about what kind of work I'd get afterwards. That comment about taking work seriously is insulting. But I suppose I'm not really a "woman" (according to Hirshman) because I don't come from an upper middle class background. I wonder how this article read for women who didn't have the opportunity to go to college?

Young women, if they have the resources to, are creating new lives and roles for themselves. Not all female life revolves around Corporate America or childrearing. Unfortunately Corporate America does constrain the lives of the majority of American women and working women overseas whose wedding announcements don't appear in the New York Times.

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A Real Feminist Does as She Sees Fit/Necessity Demands
Posted by: c chapman on Nov 24, 2005 5:26 AM   
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In my case, this meant staying home with my daughter so I could actively teach, guide, love et al. and monitor her progress myself.

In the case of some other women I know, this meant modifying schedules to telecommute some days of the week, swapping days with dad.

Still others I know have either not minded the nanny/daycare routine or simply could not manage anything lese without going on the dole.

Honestly, I think that when you decide to have a child, you are making a deal with the universe: I bring forth new life with the intention of making the universe a better place, not a worse one.

Ideally, we could clone ourselves when we have kids, but we can't. We make choices and sacrifices - sometimes the outcome is good, sometimes not, sometimes a "C" average at everything we're doing is all we can muster.

It's pointless to attack other women for chosing to stay home or choosing to utilize other childcare resources. Women who do a crappy job of raising their kids with a nanny or daycare would still do a crappy job if they stayed home - they are just not engaged in the task enough to overcome the obstacles. Women who stay home sometimes do a crappy job, too.

The simple act of procreation does not make one a good parent, nor does abandoning a carrer. But staying home doesn't automatically make you better, either, it just provides you with more frequent opportunities to engage.

But in the end, while quantity certainly helps, it is the quality of that engagment that matters most.

If there is argument and criticism to be made, it really should focus on women who make babies just because, with no real mental or emotional reagrd for the seriousness of the task of raising said baby, regardless of whether they work or not.

Women who choose human beings over paychecks (or soap operas) should never be called out.

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Is that what feminism was all about?
Posted by: Colin on Nov 24, 2005 5:31 AM   
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...I don't know - I wasn't there in the 60s.

However, after respecting the principles of feminism my entire life, the idea that it was nothing more than a clarion call to get women to work has seen such levels plummet to never trodden depths.

Actually, it hasn't because I see this as an incredibly one side piece. I thought the point was that women should have the same opportunities as men - not that they would be forced into the same pattern of lifestyle on principle. If the purpose of feminism was to have 100% of the population slaving away for the benefit of a minority, then perhaps it's not such a bad thing that it's not worked out perfectly.

Just look at the proposition; rich women are staying at home so feminism has failed. It is a logical nonsense. The two are not necessarily interlinked and not in the slightest dependent on each other. The question should be - do the rich women staying at home feel in the slightest bit inferior to men? I don't know but I doubt it.

I think it's much more likely that they stay at home because they prefer it to doing a crappy job. That sounds entirely reasonable and also fits in with feminist principles - i.e. they've chosen to stay.

It's a tricky balance the family work thing. However, I do find it funny how people nowadays have wet dreams over the prospect of something like an organic vegetable, but when it comes to child rearing and the patterns that have been established over 10s of thousands of years, it's yah boo sucks to nature - you don't fit in with feminist liberal values.

Perhaps the way to do it would be to ask the kids - do you want your mum around or not?

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this article is asinie
Posted by: daniel1982 on Nov 24, 2005 5:36 AM   
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I don't get it.

Some women choose to stay home and be moms and suddenly this is not good enough? Suddenly feminism failed or was not radical enough. There's a "glass ceiling" at home (what does that mean? Mom can't be promoted to Dad?).

The author does make a point (implicitly), the whole "choice" debate was a fascade. The goals were to get women to choose to work. The choice to stay at home was always the wrong one.

Maybe by 2030 we will realize that men and women are different. Our bodies have different chemistries. Study after study shows men and women respond to the same stimuli differently.

Young girls will play with dolls and read "teen beat" magazines while boys will play with cars, and like action movies. Girls will wear makeup to attract boys, and boys will act like goofballs to do the same. There are individual exceptions, but it will be true in general.

So all of a sudden the fact that women choose to do something different is news? Come on.

Of course women are more likely to stay at home and be moms (and ergo take-up the responsibilities of running the household). I would think maternal instinct has something to do with it. Not all women will choose that (or have kids or husbands for that matter). Some will be CEOs or Presidents while their husbands stay at home or work along side with them.

What is the problem here again?

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Lets see?...... Latchkey kids and increased sexual abuse by outsiders.....
Posted by: Pepper on Nov 24, 2005 5:59 AM   
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is preferable to having "stay home moms"? Boy there is so much to this one I simply don't know where to begin. I guess I will start with what happened to our society because no one was home to teach, preach and care for our children.

1. This nation, as we all know is now run by more psychopaths than at any time in our history. How come?? Because no one is home to teach those lessons of honesty, ethics, integrity, loyalty and commitment and spiritual lessons that come with day to day living. I remember mega sayings from my stay home mom raising 8 children that were burned into my brain and set standards for how I was to interact with the society around me. These lessons have held me well in my life time.

2. A sense of abandonment that these latchkey kids feel at being home by themselves (not everyone can afford a nanny or day care, in fact most can't). Here is an anecdotal story. My nephew was a diabetic child and both parents HAD TO WORK CAUSE THEY HAD NO INSURANCE TO PAY FOR HIS MEDICINES. He came home every day and he and the BIG CAT bonded. I will tell how sad this was to see. He showed me how he and the cat talked together and I am telling you he was perfect in his communication and cat noises back and forth with that cat. It broke my heart.

He felt abandoned and had unbelievable sadness that came out when he came to stay with me for four months one summer. I got him into counseling.

3. These kids have no one to talk with to solve simple basic problems that teach them how to problem solve in life. The parents are tired when they come home, eat preprepared chemically ladened foods because of time constraints, they drink fluoride in the water cause no one has time to see to it that their children are not being poisoned.

4. These kids are suseptible to sexual predators due to that loneliness and I bet if someone would just do a study, we would see a serious increase in sexual abuse since the revolution of women in the work force. What happens to sexually abused children? Untreated they become abusers themselves. That would explain a lot wouldn't it.

5. There is no family history, roots or other type of grounding/sense of belonging to something bigger, provided by these parents cause they don't have the time or the energy left after an 80 hour work week.

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Continued from above
Posted by: Pepper on Nov 24, 2005 6:00 AM   
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6. The message to children when both parents work is that the MONEY is more important than the kids. That is passed on and the money becomes the highest value in society rather than the family.

There is much more but this site won't allow more than 2500 words. Those of us raised by two parent stay home moms remember what value that was to us. There is a sense of safety and security when you know your going home to a house with your mom in it. That is why we have raised a FEAR BASED AND FED POPULATION or a PREDATOR BASED AND THEY FIT EACH OTHER. JUST ASK YOURSELF, "WHAT CHANGED" THAT MADE US SO AFRAID? SO ISOLATED? SO DISCONNECTED?

The answer is obvious. I am not saying that partime work isn't ok, nor am I saying that when she wishes the woman should be able to RETURN to the work force and be valued like any man, but I am saying women are different than men.

We are nurturers, communicators, relationship oriented people, while men are task oriented and not very good communicators, nor are they relationship oriented. They have a difference in the structure of the brain. Its a scientific fact you can't discard. There, I have had my say. LOL

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Bless them all
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Nov 24, 2005 6:22 AM   
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My wife was a stay at home mom, and I appreciated it. She, with some help from me, raised two beautiful women. In that career she accomplished more than I ever could in mine.

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So we're all agreed:
Posted by: AdamSelene11726 on Nov 24, 2005 6:36 AM   
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I guess we're all agreed.

Business and politics are Men's work

Babies and housekeeping are Women's work.

All is well.

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Jeez....
Posted by: xenacat on Nov 24, 2005 6:53 AM   
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Feminism is hardly dead or even in trouble merely because a relatively small group of ivy league law school graduates decide to stay home and enjoy the hubbie's trust fund income. These types of discussions have little to do with the actualities of most women's lives or feminism's place within them. Most women (and men) are smart enough to realize that life is full of difficult choices. Very few people can just opt out of the workforce for even a few years for any reason. This ballyhooed talk about young women deciding that feminism is a failure because marriage is their over-riding goal is a very upper class, white way of looking at the success of female empowerment. This article is simply a repeat of earlier articles that essentially seek to repudiate feminism's substantial successes. True, things are moving at a snail's pace and true, things are not perfect between men and women. However, to say that women are rejecting the movement based on such admittiedly slim evidence is akin to saying that people of color feel that racial equality has been achieved because Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme court. Nonsense.

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wafranklin
Posted by: wafranklin on Nov 24, 2005 6:57 AM   
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What drivel. What about all the single women who do and always have raised children without the "benefit" of a man, usually some sleazebag who gratuitously got them pregnant one or even many more times. These women held on and far too many were successful in raising useful citizens for it to be unusual. The set of "junior leaguer" wannabes who excuse their stay at home using a variety of justifications, such as home schooling, raising kids "right" (and to the right), as well as some roles based nonsense, ignore the simple fact that single moms are far more prevalent than they either know or care about. I also suspect that "stay at home" following the examples of women who prevailed in the workplace is based on simple lack of courage. The world today with its serious stupidities is the work of men, who have vested interests in keeping women as chattel. I for one think that women could first of all not do worse and will even more likely do better than men -- if the best and brightest, and the more emotionally stable and grounded participate in the workplace and political sphere. Although when we look at Schlafly, Coulter, etc. one has to wonder if the whole damned species is doomed anyway. So, women, get out here and control the men, who are driven by manias, hormones and egregious and unwarranted egos.

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from feminism to spirituality
Posted by: ggmurray on Nov 24, 2005 7:14 AM   
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To assert my right TO BE a real person, that was the first irresistable call of feminism in my life. It made me question everything - my name, what I wore and why, my marriage and why - until I got to the core of who I am. We are such cultural creatures it is very hard to get to that place. And then, pushing the question even further, I found the divine spark within, and my essential connectedness to all life. I married three times, changed careers and worked for 23 years as a computer programmer. I raised a beautiful daughter who now has a family of her own, and is home schooling her four children. Any real person wants to get to the essence of who she or he is. To do that, and live a vibrant life from that awareness, allowing one's God-given talents to flourish and bless others - I call that wonderful.

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Having the cake and eating it too.
Posted by: Riverside on Nov 24, 2005 7:55 AM   
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I am a male, and I have held a variety of mid-level to bottom-upper-level positions and in each case I have had the sheer challenge, opportunity and downright pleasure of sharing those responsibilities with female counterparts. In fact some have been my boss. Now these accomplished women were all married, all had children and all made sure they scheduled ample time for family duties. At the same time, their husbands scheduled ample time for shared family duties as well.

Everyone of these women held advanced degrees, seven of them were professionals (lawyer, doctor, etc). They all worked very hard, and they all never batted an eye when asked if they felt unfulfilled. They replied they felt challenged by job and home, but would not quit what they were doing.

I had the opportunity to get to know both their husbands and their children. I can only describe them as happy, balanced and successful families. Stress, bad moments, etc., you bet they like the rest of us are all human. They are particularly successful because all parts of the family work at making it so. I would consider that a progressive evolution of family dynamics and if early feminism helped it happen and mature, well that is just great.

So why must feminism view the family and its glories and gripes as bad medicine for the career oriented woman? I think I have seen, in actual practice, strong career oriented women show that family and career can happily coexist and grow. Furthermore, in each case these women felt they were advancing humankind sociologically by virtue of their particular family dynamics. I could not agree more.

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Choices, Choices and more rich girl's choices
Posted by: sln70 on Nov 24, 2005 7:59 AM   
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of all the comments on this article, the very first group defined the problems with it the best.

-- This piece was elitist in the extreme.
-- It kowtowed to current cultural ideas of success.
-- It failed to address the fact that our current work/life setup is the primary reason women choose to stay home and raise their own children. (ie the hours are not flexible, our work-weeks are too long, etc)
-- It stops short of suggesting ways that work could be more attractive to families or how men could reasonably become more involved 'family men."
-- It ignores single mothers completely as if they have no experiences with work that can contribute to this debate.

Overall I think this article should be handed out to Ivy League women only, and kept away from the general public whose experiences it does not resemble at all.

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has feminism failed?
Posted by: robchapman on Nov 24, 2005 8:37 AM   
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It is possible that the workplace is discriminatory and hostile to family life.
Are you serious? The American/European workforce is downright inimical to family life.
It is lame analysis and lack of backbone like this among feminists that has led to the widespread disillusionment with the movement.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

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» RE: has feminism failed? Posted by: kittynboi
I know this territory inside and out
Posted by: Shakti on Nov 24, 2005 8:38 AM   
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After receiving my doctorate from an Ivy League university, I got married and immediately had a baby. All set, right? Not. I was working 50+ hours a week as a health sciences researcher, under pressure to work at least 60 for promotion and paying a huge portion of my salary (most of it) for a nanny. I hardly ever saw my daughter.

I distinctly recall attending a workshop for female faculty called "How to Get Promoted and Keep Milk in the Refridgerator," expecting to hear the secret, the magic formula. Every single woman there described the wonderful nannies and housekeepers they had hired. The more successful women (e.g., surgeons) had teams of women on staff who kept their kids fed and their household running. My own boss, a highly successful woman, had a stay-at-home husband to look after their kids.

I wanted to be a mom, I wanted to experience parenting, I wanted to be there to help my daughter with her homework and nurse her when she was sick. After much anguish, I took a reduction in duties and downsized my career to spend more time at home with my daughter. My family took a financial hit and we actually had to move into a smaller and less expensive house.

But the saga does not end there! After (finally) securing a full time teaching position (non-tenured), I became pregnant again -- totally unexpectedly -- and now am finding that I have no rights or job security in academia. I will not lose my job, but am required to take an extended leave of absence (without pay or benefits) in order to keep my position. Other women have not been so lucky. The Chronicle of Higher Education just ran a story about a physicist who lost her post-doc due to her pregnancy.

Here is what I have learned from all this: until we reconfigure the work environment to be more friendly to women and children, women will have to choose between a high-powered career and active motherhood. Feminists of yore made the mistake of simply demanding equal access to the boardroom without reflecting on the necessity of changing what the boardroom looked like to accomodate women's needs.

Do we want to be successful on male terms, remaking ourselves into odd-looking men, or do we want to remake the world so that we can be successful as women?

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» You are so right! Posted by: MCMCF
Guilt!
Posted by: magistre on Nov 24, 2005 8:54 AM   
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That is what it really is about. Women. Men. No matter what "road" you choose in life "they" are always there to bury you in guilt. Beware those who conveniently find something to point you towards being a "drone". "Be a sheep"! "Don't think for yourself!"

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What Happened to Our Bodies, Our Choice?
Posted by: Kirsten on Nov 24, 2005 9:06 AM   
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I can think of nothing more antithetical to feminism than the notion that some women feel that they are in a better position to decide what other women's goals, desires, and choices should be. MY body, MY choice.

I personally choose not to have children or drop out of the workforce, but it's none of my business or anyone else's if other women choose differently. It is shocking to me that some in the feminist movement have turned to objectifying and infantilizing women in this way.

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hah
Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on Nov 24, 2005 9:18 AM   
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so basically ladies, cut the biological strings to that kid and start sharing the wondrous soullessness of market populism. hoorah.

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Feminism destroying Native Lakota Culture
Posted by: crazyoglala on Nov 24, 2005 9:18 AM   
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Lakota Beliefs and systems were disrupted after colonialist ideas sprouted from feminism entered the political landscape in the 1970s Pine Ridge Reservation.

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» Pine Ridge -- 1975 Posted by: AdamSelene11726
blackfeminista
Posted by: blackfeminista on Nov 24, 2005 9:53 AM   
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First of all, the premise of this article is oversimplified. But feminism is failing now for the reason it always has: it centralizes its analysis on white, middle-class women. It is an inherently racist, classist movement. It has consistently marginalized , dismissed, and thumbed its elitist nose at everybody else. For example, most poor women of color don't CHOOSE to work; they MUST. This, as is racism in general, is a feminist issue and many white feminists have simply refused to acknowledge it. They have refused to develop a bigger analysis that incorporates other social issues facing ALL women. Indeed, the white dominated feminist movement has isolated itself. It has chosen to simply "stay at home."

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where's community?
Posted by: jaydenari on Nov 24, 2005 10:00 AM   
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seems to me that a big part of feminism's "failure" (if it is actually that) is the fact that, although women as individuals have benefited quite a bit overall, women as mothers are still left largely to their own devices in the dysfunctional nuclear family structure. The nuclear family as our society sees it doesn't work largely b/c of isolation -- without an extended family to share some of the burdens, mothers can't effectively juggle both childrearing and jobs, so it's not surprising that one or both suffer. Rebuilding extended families (be they biological or self-chosen) will enable everyone to work less and have more time for family life and creative pursuits if we can wean ourselves from commercialism's constant push to want more...

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Protect Your Future
Posted by: Sandra on Nov 24, 2005 10:05 AM   
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Women have to be prepared to support themselves. That means that they have to get an education or special skills training that will enable them to get jobs that can provide them the financial resources they need. A women does not know when she marries if that relationship will last. She may have children and find that some day she is the sole support for those children. I base my comments on my life experiences. I married young before I finished college and had a child. I was able to stay at home for a while and it was wonderful. I wouldn't trade that time for anything. My husband lost his job and I had to go to work. Later we got back on our feet financially and he decided to go find himself. He left me with a child and a job that wouldn't support us. I did go back to the university and I did whatever jobs I could find that allowed me some time to spend with my child. It was a hard time for us. I advise all women to get that education or training and to be able to support themselves. You can't depend on other people to take care of you and your children. With the economy today, I don't know how women are going to make it. If you are not part of that financially elite class you may not have the choice to stay at home. You can choose to live a life less determined by material things but you still have to be able to have a roof over your head and food in your stomachs. Of course there are also healthcare and other issues. Women will forever struggle to do what is the best for their children, frequently at great cost to themselves. There is no greater love and satisfaction than that of a mother for her children and seeing them grow into thoughtful, honest, caring adults. There are no easy answers and each woman has to make her personal choices. Those women who can stay at home and choose to do so are fortunate. Those women who choose to work or have to work to survive should be supported through worksite policies that accomodate child care issues.

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muggles5
Posted by: kenhymes on Nov 24, 2005 10:12 AM   
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A large percentage of male/female relationships have been redefined in more egalitarian ways in the last 40 years, and women are involved in more professions. The problem is a lack of linkage between these goals and the experience men have always had of "life outside the home": IT SUCKS!! The force creating unhappiness for both men and women is not social conservatism OR feminism, it's COMMERCE.

I'm lucky enough to be a church music director/stay-at-home-dad, lucky because my wife is a school teacher and our financial goals are modest.

Before this, I worked a number of corporate and sales jobs. Every single one of them was characterized by a complete disregard for the interests of employees of both genders, and a constant barrage of insultingly dishonest attempts to create "teamwork," meaning: you do what we want and we'll pretend to care about you. Any vestige of self-direction or meaning is being steadily stripped away from work of all kinds.

If you want life to be better for women, whatever their choices, there is a model to follow: Scandinavia, which is constantly derided by our captains of industry because there are strong protections for labor rights, and generous family leave programs, combined with salaries high enough relative to the cost of living to take the edge off. Why should I give a rat's ass about the profit margins of our corporations, compared to the possibility of a healthy, family-friendly, safe and dignified life for all our citizens?

We are being lied to every day, in subtle and no-so-subtle ways, about the "costs" of worker rights. Meanwhile, our vaunted standard of living goes down and down, in both social and financial terms. And we have no one to blame but ourselves, because we allow ourselves to be distracted by bogus arguments and "values" sideshows.

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» RE: muggles5 Posted by: tcunning
» yes! Posted by: Shakti
Just my antecdote.
Posted by: Lone Pawn on Nov 24, 2005 10:14 AM   
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I have a girlfriend. She's in medical school. Very smart girl, IQ over 150. She will be a doctor. Very empowered, very forward-looking. She hates girls who dress sluttily, thinks it makes all women look bad.

She also, incidentally, has been forced into being a doctor by her parents, who thought she'd be a disappointment to her gender if she failed to become a doctor or lawyer. She's repeatedly complained that all she's ever really wanted is to be a mother and raise children. But she's going to be a doctor, and has no idea how she's going to raise her children properly. She considers having a job and a child "failing the children." And so she's torn right now.

Sometimes dogmatic feminism is just as restrictive as dogmatic patriarchalism.

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» RE: Just my antecdote. Posted by: sln70
» Oh, it's her fault, is it? Posted by: Lone Pawn
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» RE: Oh, it's her fault, is it? Posted by: bettsoff
Choice should be for both parents
Posted by: ecoMamaNY on Nov 24, 2005 10:30 AM   
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My husband and I are both academics; both work fulltime, and we have two small children (the younger under two years of age). We were both offered parental leave, but only I took it (8 weeks). I think both parents should have the option to remain at home for a time with their children, and should be encouraged to do so. Indeed, my husband did not take official leave because he felt it would reflect badly on him. Our careers are busy, but scheduling was flexible and child-friendly. I brought my infant son with me to a number of conferences, and once gave a short talk while he slept in my arms. No one concluded on the basis of this that I "wasn't serious about science". On the contrary, students came up to me afterwards and told me that they found my example encouraging.
** Our society could also make it a priority to provide good worksite based (or worksite proximate) childcare. This allows a breast-feeding mother to nurse regularly during the day, and parents to visit the baby whenever they so desire. We have had such care - it's expensive, but well worth the price. At our community childcare center, the fees are on a sliding scale, so the same quality of care is available (affordably), for example, to the children of graduate students, secretarial staff, and the son of the guy who works at the local jiffylube.
** Our marital relationships need to evolve as well: there's the issue of the second shift, and of how useful our men allow themselves to be when it comes to traditionally female work-roles around the home. We split many of the traditionally male tasks, but I still find that much of the daily work of caring for the household ("women's work") falls on me. I now leave some portion of it for him, and when he doesn't do it, then it doesn't get done. And there are usually consequences for chores left undone (e.g. if the kitchen isn't clean, I won't cook in it).
The point isn't that feminism is somehow failed women, it's that our society moves at a glacial pace. Consider how long, for example, it took American women to achieve the right to vote . We arrived there in 1920, after nearly 250 years of effort, i.e.,:
***1776 Abigail Adams writes to her husband, John Adams, asking him to "remember the ladies" in the new code of laws.
***1920 The Nineteenth Amendment (giving women the right to vote in every state of the union) becomes law on August 26, 1920.

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Strong women
Posted by: Maryanne on Nov 24, 2005 10:49 AM   
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For the past 10 + years, I have been researching life in rural Canada in the 19th and 20th Centuries.

In the 19th and early 20th centures, a family survived only if women were strong, capable and hardworking. The men disappeared in late fall to work in the woods (felling trees) surfaced for Christmas, and returned to the woods until Spring. During the spring freshet, they returned as river hogs, guiding those logs down river, then returned home to plow and plant the fields. In the summers they worked on the booms- sometimes near home, often many miles away.

The women, originally living in drafty log houses, and constantly bearing children, were responsible for raising the children on their own ( since the husbands were gone much of the year), running the farm, spinning the wool (from their sheep) then weaving this, to make clothing and blankets, doing the baking, etc. They harvested berries near the woods, gathered nuts and wild apples, brought in much of the harvest and stored food for the winter. The one advantage they had was that some activities were done with other women so they weren't isolated from adult company.

This rural community no longer farms or works in the woods, but descendents of the pioneer families remain in the area. The example of women working in the past is accepted so they expect to work. While thewomen remain primarily responsible for running the house, they also work (usually in poorly paid service jobs) to add to the family income. The children, usually with neither parent at home, are well brought up, respectful, studious, self directing, polite, and have very positive and loving relationships with their parents.

There is also the example of World War II in the US when men went off to war, and the women worked in the facotires. Children were left alone, but they grew up fine.

The point of this is that no one choice of lifestyle fits all. Some women have no choice but to work- and this can set a good example for the children. Likewise a parent out of the home does not necessarilly mean that children will grow up mal adjusted.

In these two situations, close communities made the difference. Likewise particular circumstances and the quality of the relationship between parents and children determine what works best.

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Drmark
Posted by: Drmark on Nov 24, 2005 10:55 AM