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Why is France Burning?

By Doug Ireland, AlterNet. Posted November 8, 2005.


With 30-year-old roots and a familiar story, the riots should be about as shocking as the outcome of an Egyptian election.

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Saturday night was the 10th day of the spreading youth riots that have much of France in flames, the worst night since the first riot erupted in a suburban Paris ghetto of low-income housing, with 1295 vehicles -- from private cars to public buses -- burned Sunday night, a huge jump from the 897 set afire the previous evening.

And, for the first time, the violence born in the suburban ghettos invaded the center of Paris -- some 40 vehicles were set alight in Le Marais (the pricey home to the most famous gay ghetto in Paris), around the Place de la Republique nearby, and in the bourgeois 17th arrondissement, just a stone's throw from the dilapidated ghetto of the Goutte d'Or in the 18th arrondissement.

As someone who lived in France for nearly a decade, and who has visited those suburban ghettos, where the violence started, on reporting trips any number of times, I have not been surprised by this tsunami of inchoate youth rebellion that is engulfing France.

It is the result of thirty years of government neglect: of the failure of the French political classes -- of both right and left -- to make any serious effort to integrate its Muslim and black populations into the larger French economy and culture; and of the deep-seated, searing, soul-destroying racism that the unemployed and profoundly alienated young of the ghettos face every day of their lives, both from the police, and when trying to find a job or decent housing.

To understand the origins of this profound crisis for France, it is important to step back and remember that the ghettos where festering resentment has now burst into flames were created as a matter of industrial policy by the French state. If France's population of immigrant origin -- mostly Arab, some black -- is today quite large (more than 10% of the total population), it is because there was a government and industrial policy during the post-World War II boom years of reconstruction and economic expansion -- which the French call "les trentes glorieuses" or the 30 glorious years -- to recruit from France's foreign colonies laborers and factory and menial workers for jobs which there were no Frenchmen to fill. These immigrant workers, primarily from North Africa, were desperately needed to allow the French economy to expand due to the shortage of male manpower caused by two World Wars, which killed  many Frenchmen, and slashed the native French birth-rates too.

Moreover, these immigrant workers (especially Moroccans, particularly favored in the auto industry) were favored by industrial employers as passive and unlikely to strike (in sharp contrast to the highly political Continental French working class and its militant, largely Communist-led unions) and cheaper to hire. In some industries, for this reason, literacy was a disqualification -- because an Arab worker who could read could educate himself about politics and become more susceptible to organization into a union. This government-and-industry-sponsored influx of Arab workers (many of whom then saved up to bring their families to France from North Africa) was reinforced following Algerian independence by the arrival of the Harkis.

The Harkis (whose story is movingly told by Dalila Kerchouche in her Destins de Harkis) were the native Algerians who fought for and worked with France during the post-war anti-colonial struggles for independence -- and who for their trouble were horribly treated by France. Some 100,000 Harkis were killed by the Algerian FLN (National Liberation Front) after the French shamelessly abandoned them to a lethal fate when the French occupying army evacuated itself and the French colonists from Algeria.

Moreover, those Harki families who were saved, often at the initiative of individual military commanders who refused to obey orders not to evacuate them, once in France were parked in unspeakable, filthy, crowded concentration camps for many long years and never benefited from any government aid -- a nice reward for their sacrifices for France, of which they were, after all, legally citizens. Their ghettoized children and grandchildren, naturally, harbor certain resentments -- the Harki tragedy is still an open wound for the Franco-Arab community.

France's other immigrant workers were warehoused in huge, high-rise low-income housing ghettos -- known as "cités"  (Americans would say "the projects") -- specially built for them, and deliberately placed out of sight in the suburbs around most of France's major urban agglomerations, so that their darker-skinned inhabitants wouldn't pollute the center cities of Paris, Lyon, Toulouse, Lille, Nice and the others of white France's urban centers, today encircled by flames. Often there was only just enough public transport provided to take these uneducated working class Arabs and blacks directly to their jobs in the burgeoning factories of the "peripherique" -- the suburban peripheries that encircled Paris and its smaller sisters -- but little or none linking the ghettos to the urban centers.

Now 30, 40, and 50 years old, these high-rise human warehouses in the isolated suburbs are today run-down, dilapidated, sinister places, with broken elevators that remain unrepaired, heating systems left dysfunctional in winter, dirt and dog-shit in the hallways, broken windows, and few commercial amenities -- shopping for basic necessities is often quite limited and difficult, while entertainment and recreational facilities for youth are truncated and totally inadequate when they're not non-existent. Both apartments and schools are over-crowded (birth control is taboo in the Muslim culture the immigrants brought with them and transmitted to their children, and even for their male grandchildren of today -- who've adopted hip-hop culture and created their own French-language rap music of extraordinary vitality (which often embodies stinging social and political content) -- condoms are a no-no because of Arab machismo, contributing to rising AIDS rates in the ghettos.

The first week in December will mark the 22nd anniversary of the Marche des Beurs (Beur means Arab in French slang). I was present to see the cortege of 100,000 arrive in Paris -- it was the Franco-Arab equivalent of Dr. Martin Luther King's 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Justice. The Marche des Beurs was organized from Lyon's horrific, enormous suburban high-rise ghetto, Les Minguettes, with the help of a charismatic left-wing French Catholic worker-priest, Father Christian Delorme, and its central theme was the demand to be recognized as French "comme les autres" -- like everyone else... a demand, in sum, for complete integration. But for the mass of Franco-Arabs, little has changed since 1983 -- and the integrationist movement of "jeunes beurs" created around that march petered out in frustration and despair as the dream of integration failed.

In recent years, its place has been taken by Islamist fundamentalists operating through local mosques -- the mediatic symbol of this retreat into a separatist, communitarian-religious politics is the slick demagogue Tariq Ramadan, a philosophy professor who uses one cosmetically democratic discourse when he's speaking on French TV, and a fiery, hard-line fundamentalist discourse in the Arab-language cassettes of his speeches that sell like hotcakes to Franco-Arab ghetto youth. (Ramadan's double language has been meticulously documented and exposed, and his deep ties to the extremist religious primitives of the Muslim Brotherhood [founded by his grandfather] detailed, by Arab-speaking journalist Caroline Fourest in her book published last fall by Editions Grasset, "Frere Tariq: discours, methode et strategie de Tariq Ramadan," extracts from which have been published in the weekly l'Express.)

But the current rebellion has little to do with Islamic fundamentalism. It is the anguished scream of a lost generation in search of an identity, children caught between two cultures and belonging to neither -- a rebellion of kids who, born in France and often speaking little Arabic, don't know the country where their parents were born, but who feel excluded, marginalized and invisible in the country in which they live.

In 1990, Francois Mitterrand -- the Socialist President then -- described what life was like for jobless ghetto youths warehoused in the overcrowded "cités":

"What hope does a young person have who's been born in a quartier without a soul, who lives in an unspeakably ugly high-rise, surrounded by more ugliness, imprisoned by gray walls in a gray wasteland and condemned to a gray life, with all around a society that prefers to look away until it's time to get mad, time to FORBID."
Well, Mitterrand's perceptive and moving words remained just that -- words -- for his urban policy was an underfunded, unfocussed failure that only put a few band-aids on a metastasizing cancer. Fifteen years after Mitterrand's diagnosis, the hopelessness and alienation of these ghetto youths and their "gray lives" has only become deeper and more rancid. The response to the last ten days of violent youth rebellion by the conservative government has been inept and tone-deaf. For the first four days of the rebellion, Chirac and his Prime Minister, Dominique de Villepin decided to let the hyper-ambitious, megalomaniacal Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, lead the government's response to the youths' violence and arson.

Chirac and Villepin detest Sarkozy, who has been openly campaigning to replace Chirac as president in 2007 (Villepin was made P.M. in the hopes that he could block Sarkozy for the right's presidential nomination). The President and his P.M. thought that "Sarko," as he's commonly referred to in France -- who won his widespread popularity as a hardline, law-and-order demagogue on the issue of domestic insecurity -- would be unable to stop the violence, and thus damage his presidential campaign.

But Sarkozy only poured verbal kerosene on the flames, dismissing the ghetto youth in the most insulting and racist terms and calling for a policy of repression. "Sarko" made headlines with his declarations that he would "karcherise" the ghettos of "la racaille"-- words the U.S. press, with glaring inadequacy, has translated to mean "clean" the ghettos of "scum." But these two words have an infinitely harsher and insulting flavor in French. "Karcher" is the well-known brand name of a system of cleaning surfaces by super-high-pressure sand-blasting or water-blasting that very violently peels away the outer skin of encrusted dirt -- like pigeon-shit -- even at the risk of damaging what's underneath.

To apply this term to young human beings and proffer it as a strategy is a verbally fascist insult and, as a policy proposed by an Interior Minister, is about as close as one can get to hollering "ethnic cleansing" without actually saying so. It implies raw police power and force used very aggressively, with little regard for human rights. I wonder how many Anglo-American correspondents get the inflammatory, terribly vicious flavor of the word in French? The translation of "karcherise" by "clean"  just misses completely the provocative, incendiary violence of what Sarko was really saying. And "racaille" is infinitely more pejorative than "scum" to French-speakers -- it has the flavor of characterizing an entire group of people as subhuman, inherently evil and criminal, worthless, and is, in other words, one of the most serious and dehumanizing insults one could launch at the rebellious ghetto youth. Kerosene, indeed.

As the rebellion has spread beyond the Paris suburbs as far south as Marseilles and Nice and as far north as Lille, Sarkozy has been thundering that the spreading violence is centrally "organized." But on the telephone this morning from Paris, the dean of French investigative reporters -- Claude Angeli, editor of Le Canard Enchaine, one of the most perspicacious political analysts I know -- told me:
"That's not true -- this isn't being organized by the Islamist fundamentalists, as Sarkozy is implying to scare people. Sure, kids in neighborhoods are using their cellphones and text messages to warn each other where the cops are coming so they can move and pick other targets for their arson. But the rebellion is spreading across the country because the youth have a sense of solidarity with each other that comes from watching television -- they imitate what they're seeing, they have experienced themselves the same racist police abuse that helped spark the riots, and they sense themselves targeted by Sarkozy's inflammatory rhetoric. The rebellion is spreading spontaneously -- driven especially by racist police conduct that is the daily lot of these youths. It's incredible the level of police racism -- these young are arrested or controlled by the police, shaken down, pushed around, and have their papers checked simply because they have dark skins, and the police are verbally brutal, calling them 'bougnoules' [a racist insult, something like the American 'towel-heads,' only worse], 'dirty Arabs' and more. The police bark, 'Lower your eyes! Lower your eyes!' as if they had no right even to look a policeman in the face. It's utterly dehumanizing. No wonder these kids feel so divorced from authority."
A team report in yesterday's French daily, Liberation (where I was once a columnist), interviews ghetto youths, and asks them to explain the reasons for their anger. The paper reports, "All, or almost all, cite 'Sarko'....a 22-year old student says, 'Sarkozy owes us his excuses for what he said. When I see what's happened, I come back to the same image: Sarkozy when he went to Argenteuil, raising his head and thundering, Madame, we're going to clean all that up. Result? Sarko sent every body over the top, he showed a total disrespect toward everybody' in the ghetto." A 13-year-old tells the Liberation reporters: "'It's us who are going to put Sarkozy through the Karcher... Will I be out making trouble tonight?' He smiles and says, 'that's classified information.'"

Another 28-year-old youth:
"Who's setting the fires? They're kids between 14 and 22, we don't really know who they are because they put on masks, don't talk, and and don't brag about it the next day... but instead of fucking everything up where they live, it would be better if they held a demo, or went and fucked up the people and the stores in Paris. We've got a minister, Sarko, who says 'You're all the same.' Me, I say Non, we all say Non -- but in reply we still get, 'You're all the same.' That response from the government creates something in common between all of us, a kind of solidarity. These kids want to get attention, to let people know they exist. So, they say to themselves, 'If we get nasty and create panic, they won't forget us, they'll know we're in a neighborhood where we need help."
Yesterday, when Sarkozy -- who is Minister of Religion as well as Interior Minister -- wanted to make an appearance at the Catholic Bishops' conference in Paris, they refused to let him speak -- and instead, the Bishops issued a ringing statement denouncing "those who would call for repression and instill fear" instead of responding to the economic, social, and racial causes of the riots. This was an unusually sharp rebuke directed squarely at Sarkozy.

Under the headline "Budget Cuts Exasperate Suburban Mayors," Le Monde reported yesterday on how Chirac and his conservatives have compounded 30 years of neglect of the ghettos by slashing even deeper into social programs: 20% annual cuts in subsidies for neighborhood groups that work with youths since 2003, cuts in youth job-training programs and tax credits for hiring ghetto youth, cuts in education and programs to fight illiteracy, cuts in neighborhood police who get to know ghetto kids and work with them (when Sarkozy went to Toulouse after the first riots there, he told the neighborhood police: "Your job is not to be playing soccer with these kids, your job is to arrest them!" With fewer and fewer neighborhood cops to do preventive work that defuses youth alienation and violence, the alternative is to wait for more explosions of violence and then send in the CRS (Compagnies Republicaines de Securite, hard-line paramilitary SWAT teams). Budget cuts for social programs plus more repression is a prescription for more violence.

That's why Le Monde's editorial yesterday warned that a continuation of this blind policy creates a big risk of provoking in the elections two years hence a repeat of 2002, when the neo-fascist Jean-Marie Le Pen made it into the presidential runoff. 

And a majority of the country, empoisoned even more by racism after the violence of the last ten days, seems willing to accept more and more repression: a poll released last night on France 2 public TV shows that 57% of the French support Nicolas Sarkozy's hard-line approach to the ghetto youths' rebellion, now spreading right across France. Despite the mushrooming rebellion, Sarko (no doubt thinking of the polls) wrote an op-ed in yesterday's Le Monde entitled, "Our Strategy Is Working." Well, the barely-concealed racism of Sarko's demagogy may be working with the white electorate -- but it won't stop the violence, it will only increase it. And the violence will only further increase the racism among the French whose skins are white. So it is inevitable that what the French refer to as the "social fracture" will only get worse.

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This comes as no surprise...
Posted by: qrswave on Nov 8, 2005 9:00 AM   
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This is an excellent article that discusses many of the manifestations of a cancerous monetary system on the physical economy.

The root of the problem lies within the centralized interest-based monetary system that has been and continues to suck the life out of every working man and woman in this world.

Interest on a centralized money supply is a mechanism by which the rich redistribute wealth before it is ever circulated to begin with. It acts as a gigantic vacuum that sucks the wealth of laborers. That is why they look for laborers to immigrate into the system; the laborers work and those who collect interest profit from the laborer's work.

Interest exercised through the centralized monetary system enables those who control it to encumber the entire world with debt that mathematically can never be repaid--seeing that those who control the money supply only issue principal--NOT interest.

Thus, the only way that one man can repay both his principal and the interest that has accrued on that principal is by tapping into another man's principal. So, the other man remains forever in debt because new money is never issued without interest!

Thus, a zero sum economy is created in which some people must 'lose' in order for others to 'win.'

What is never discussed, however, is that money (in whatever currency) represents wealth only because the people of a nation agree that it does.

If no one accepted the currency (e.g. a french franc, or an american dollar) in exchange for REAL wealth--which is the product of human LABOR--the currency would be worthless.

Unfortunately, these French youth do not realize that their productive power IS their wealth; they do not need the french government to give them wealth (currency). The wealth is in their labor and energies. They just need to work together strategically to utilize it.

For more information on what's wrong with the money and interest system, and alternative monetary systems that can facilitate trade among every living human being without pitting us against one another visit The Truth Will Set You Free

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» (A slight diversion) Posted by: Colin
» RE: This comes as no surprise... Posted by: Lincoln fan
» If I speak rubbish... Posted by: qrswave
so much for being a great world colonialist
Posted by: Smiggsy on Nov 8, 2005 9:50 AM   
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Its only logical when you look at the mess the French left their colonies when they pulled back from Asia & Africa in the 60's & 70's. This is the just the beginning of the end result of once being a great world colonialist. Perhaps they should have quit cleanly & totally ditched all their colonial nationals as irresponsibly as Portugal.

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Sooner or later
Posted by: Falang on Nov 8, 2005 4:58 PM   
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This should remind us that sooner or later this can happend right in our front porch with the politic of less government.
When you create a class of people who have nothing they don't have nothing to loose by doing this kind of rebellion. Those young people can't loose jobs they don't have, they can't loose cars they don't have, you see the picture.

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» RE: Sooner or later Posted by: EncinoM
Sondjata: Debt and Interest have everything to do with it
Posted by: qrswave on Nov 8, 2005 7:56 PM   
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People are unemployed when there is not enough money circulating in the economy to engage them in production.

Debt and interest are key. For example, take NY, there is high unemployment, and many infrastructure projects needed. But capital is needed to facilitate cooperation and exchange of labor. Money simply speeds up exchange of labor and products--hence the term currency, from the root word current, meaning flow. Why on earth should the money be taxed with interest?

Logically, the government should issue money interest free to facilitate these projects, but as it stands, central banks have a monopoly on issuing money and only allow it to circulate at interest. This is the crux of the problem. They control the money supply, and they want it returned to them in the same currency, only in a greater quantity than they issued--which is impossible.

When I say some people can't get out of debt, I do not mean no one can get out of debt. I am speaking from the macroeconomic perspective in terms of total currency.

If $100 in $1 dollar units are issued and loaned to five different persons at interest, all five will have to compete with eachother in order to pay off their loans plus interest.

Only 4 of them can get out of debt. There will not be enough money left circulating for the fifth to get out of debt no matter how hard he tries. This is a zero-sum result, inevitable with interest.

That person will garner little sympathy because he is healthy, and suffered no natural disaster. Yet he is unable to pay his debt because of a flawed monetary system.

If there is no interest, then he might still fall behind another, but generally, this will be a result of a natural disaster or illness. At which point the community gets together voluntarily and extends credit at no interest until the crisis passes.

Interest on government bonds has been decimating the physical infrastructure in america for decades. The US government spends 7x more dollars on interest than it does on education.

If a government has the legal authority to issue bonds at interest that ravage the budget, then not only does the government have the similar authority to issue interest free money to finance public infrastructure projects and fund education it has the moral duty to do so.

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» I do not factor them out Posted by: qrswave
Isn't it bizarre...
Posted by: philame on Nov 9, 2005 1:45 AM   
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that there are North African, Middle Eastern and Subsaharan youths, amongst others, physically rioting on the streets in France, Ireland's article offers an analysis of why this is so, but none of the posters mention it in their own thinking on the issue. What's going on here? I honestly want an answer. Some people's ability to overlook this factor is baffling. Are we all trying to be "color blind" like the French? We see where that got them.

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» Your words are divisive Posted by: qrswave
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» Race matters because Posted by: AdamSelene11726
Auld Scott
Posted by: Scott Griffith on Nov 9, 2005 3:25 AM   
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Bravo, Doug Ireland! Retired to France twelve years back, I can vouch for the authenticity of what he writes. He's also correct in his analysis. What's heartening to me is to be able to infer that the US media are showing signs of more respect for the intelligence of their consumers and, unless it's all just another orgy of anti-French propaganda, giving space to foreign news. Progress! Let that hearten those young rioters as well.

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When peaceful change becomes impossible, violent change becomes inevitable.-JFK
Posted by: dkm on Nov 9, 2005 6:35 AM   
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Before reading this article, I posted to Pizzo's article that preceded this one. Basically I only hinted at what this author has outlined in marvelous detail.

The statements about money, capital, interest, etc. on many of the comments are mere navel contemplation and handwaving. The root cause is racist attitudes and all the money in the world won't cure that, only a more equitable distribution of whatever wealth there is. If the socioeconomic classes were integrated equally on racial and ethnic grounds, there would still be the same economic inequality, but there would not be the vicious hate that is so apparent in this conflict. Having said that, a great economic gap between the haves and the have-nots is not conducive to social tranquility either. Louis Brandeis made the comment that "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both."

The situation in Europe seems to be one of racist attitudes leading to problems like Watts and Detroit in the '60's. These attitudes manifest themselves in economic disparities. Together these two insults to human existence result in the problems that we are now seeing. Playing with the money supply will do nothing if any increase in wealth isn't distributed to those who are now lacking, but instead goes to those who already have more than they know what to do with. Allow me to point out that Mr. Bush seems to have missed this point when he sounds off about what a wonderful economy we have with most of the increase going to the obscenely wealthy while the rest of us have to share an ever decreasing amount of the pie.

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» You Are Absolutely Right!... Posted by: qrswave
Why is France burning?
Posted by: Doubtom on Nov 9, 2005 8:47 AM   
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France is burning for the same reason America will be burning.

Call it Oppression, call it Repression, call it Depression call it anything you want but what it amounts to is "Hey!, I'm not getting my fair share and I'm expected to do the dying."

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It won't be long now
Posted by: karyse on Nov 9, 2005 10:33 AM   
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Great article. I was wondering when the explosion was going to begin and those with billions of dollars in their own personal pockets were going to see that they need to be nervous. They thought they could hoard money forever on the backs of dying poor people.

Marx predicted it. Money has no value apart from labor, and when labor recognizes its condition, there is no stopping the movement.

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The Tory's were correct, I can see the ghost of Enoch Powell.
Posted by: timtufuga on Nov 10, 2005 7:07 AM   
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Well, it was bound to happen and why not?
The National Front and the ultra right reactionaries are behind the riots. The puppets as per usual are the easily fallible and gullible underclass youths, the disaffected, displaced and impetuous young men and women with their shattered dreams of materialised happiness. The Islamic nirvana was merely a straightjacket repressive energy that would constrain the already repressed energies of virile and bellicose anger ready to explode onto the streets of Paris, London, Brixton, Brisbane, Los Angeles, New Orleans and anywhere where there is high levels of institutional neglect and social injustice. The admixture of intergenerational unemployment, living in the undrclass projects, being a member of an alienating religion which has very austere doctrines and practices, and being visually and culturally distinct, would drive any virile young Muslim barmy.

In Continental Europe and anywhere else within the Western World, the pet aversion of anything Muslim has clearly drawn a line stright down the middle and we would can almost see this line as the ancient schism of the worlds most powerful religion facing off in a near and present dangerous situation. At the street level we see the volitility spilling over in the streets and are not surprised in the slightest.

However, perhaps the only people who seem to consider the root causes most logically and sensibly are the secularist socialists and the left wing elements who have seen the enemy as distinctively as the disparity between the rich and poor within society going at each other violently. Religiousness has almost nothing to do with the xenophobia and reactionary elements to curtail further multiculturalism and tolerance of ethnic groups in monocultual continental Europe. The Europeans have had enough of non-Europeans fullstop, and the xenophobia will be fueled by the Muslim's going psycho 'anywhere' in Europe, North America, and Australasia.

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fidzair
Posted by: flaminglips on Nov 10, 2005 6:59 PM   
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All in all a phenomenal article. I was amazed at the detail of including the story of the harkis. These people are often conveniently forgotten in French history. The colonial and post-colonial treatment of North Africans is a smite against the hypocritical French cry of " Vivre la libertie!" Freedom for the French only. Disenfranchisement for everyone else. Maybe people wanting an explanation to all this violence can look at all the women and girls who cannot wear their scarves to school and other things the French have done because of the percieved threat from the Muslim hoards taking over their country.
I do take offence however to the the statement that Muslim culture was transmitted to their children. Maybe "passed down" would sound less like transmitting a disease. It seems that Muslim culture may have saved these people from a total cultural wasteland.

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Doug. You are a demagogue!
Posted by: memememem on Nov 11, 2005 12:54 AM   
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I beg to diffr from your diatribe!
The French had Colonies and exploited peoples and countries. They built their current wealth on this.
So did the British.
So did the Americans on the slavery variation as evident from the latest in Louisiana.
I do not subscribe to to your simplistic model. Bad French people exploiting the emigres!
You are so mistakenly simplistic it is an insult to your audience and is bad journalism. Your facts are wrong.
I will try to be direct and rely on our audience's intelligence.
France is leading the world in terms of redistribution of wealth. This is partly why the economy is stalling.
Your average kid in the riots will have received
-Free Education
-Free Health
- Allocations Sociales( a set amount per child until 18)
-Rent Subsidy if the family is out of work
-Free School meals if the family is destitute
As a Muslim man, you can claim for all your children if yoy have several wives......
Yes those suburbs ( Prtojects in America) are dreadful.
But I challenge you as a hypocrit you are!
You want work and respect?
If I apply for a job with you: will you hire me as Jean Dupont or as Mohamed?
Will you give a job to a lower middle class white kid or a brown kid whose body language spells trouble.
Take comfort in you Canard Enchaine.
Your article is pathetic in terms of its intellectual frame.
I grew up in those suburbs. I was a poor white.
You are just pontificating and using the fact that you lived in France to make a very superficial judgment.
Good Day

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» RE: Doug. You are a demagogue! Posted by: memememem
connection
Posted by: aedwards on Nov 11, 2005 6:18 AM   
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What can we learn from the recent events in france? first, the youth in france deem to have a few very valid points for trying to start a revolution. They are trying to become successful in a government that trys so hard to make everyone equal through government programs. They are entering into a job market that forces a minimum wage which in turn increases inflation. The have to pay incredibly high taxes to help support a part of the population that doesn't produce anything.

secondly these youth want to be able to take resonsibility for their actions. They break away from the protection of their parents only to find that they have to live under a government that acts as there parents. To make thing worse the government police force are abusive.

We need to learn from whats going on in europe. We need to stop allowing the government to have so much control over our live that we don't even have to think to survive. I do not condone violence except as a last resort. Taking back control of our country is not going to be easy though.

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What a partial way to tell things!
Posted by: SophieM on Nov 12, 2005 2:27 AM   
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Much of what you write is false. I'm surprised that being a journalist and having lived ten years in France, you can write such lies. Plus, you have occulted important data, as memememem put it rightly just above.

As him, I have grown up in those suburbs, as a poor white with French parents. However, since education is free in France, I could study and reach a PhD degree. I had nothing to pay for that, I even received a grant for my studies.

The suburbs around Paris and big cities weren't "specially built for immigrants" as you write it and they were not "ghettos" either, they were built because the allies bombing destroyed so many houses during WWII, that there was a urgent need to build quickly a lot of homes. Those apartments were considered a real progress in the 50's and 60's, in terms of comfort and hygien. I have lived there till I was 21, I enjoyed having lots of friends around, and there was a real solidarity, nobody would ever had thought of calling those cités "ghettos".

Things changed when African workers were allowed to bring their families to France. Since you don't mention it, I will add something for the understanding of the situation. Something called "le droit du sol" exists in France. It's a law which gives every baby born in France the French nationality. This is one of the clues of the problem.

Another clue of the problem is the great poverty of the African countries from which those people are coming. There are some villages in Mali (for example) that survive only with what Malian workers earn somewhere in France and send home to Mali. If these workers have a baby born in France, they ask for French nationality, and then bring the rest of the family to France. Including the sick grandpa who will be cared for free, because the health care is free in France. Including the grandma who doesn't speak anything than her original dialect.

Those migrant families bring their cultural habits with them, and can't integrate themselves into the French society because they are living in another world that they had recreated. Most of the time they have many children, which make them prioritary to get a low-income home (I precise that the rent is payed, if they can't afford it, by public aids). So they become more and more numerous, because the law favors families with numerous children and low-income for the attribution of one of those apartments in "cités"...(tbf)

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Welfare Lessons from France PartI
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Nov 16, 2005 2:46 PM   
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As France enters another week of urban rioting by Muslim and African youth, there is temptation for Americans to simply sit back and enjoy the spectacle. France is, after all, a country that never tires of lecturing us about the failures of our society.

Yet we should give more careful thought to the uprising. There are important lessons for U.S. policymakers.

American liberals often look fondly to the European welfare state as a model for U.S. social policy. A typical low-income family of four has much of its rent subsidized by the French government and can receive more than $1,200 a month in various government benefits. The unemployed receive more. There is a universal national health care system and generous retirement benefits.

Yet, despite all this, we now know much of France's Muslim community lives in areas overcome with crime, poverty and unemployment. And in no small measure the blame can be attributed to France's prized welfare system. For, while French welfare has made poverty more bearable, it has done little to promote the ability of people to move up the economic ladder, improve their lives and see a better future. It is a society in which the poor are given much, but own little and are offered few opportunities for self-betterment, a society locked in social and economic immobility.

French unemployment has hovered around 10 percent for years, but the unemployment rate for the rioting young people is well above 20 percent and in some immigrant neighborhoods tops 60 percent. Overall economic growth is less than half that of the United States.

Much of that economic malaise can be blamed on France's tax and regulation systems. France's tax burden is one of the highest in Europe -- welfare states don't come cheap. The top marginal income tax rate is 48 percent. When payroll taxes are included, the French can pay as much as 65 percent of their income in taxes. The top corporate tax rate is 34 percent. There is also a 19.6 percent value-added tax (VAT). Overall, taxes consume nearly 44 percent of France's GDP. And even this isn't enough to pay for the French welfare state. France's national debt tops 68 percent of GDP, quite aside from the unfunded liabilities of the French Social Security system -- a debt some estimate to exceed 200 percent of GDP.

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Welfare Lessons from France Part II
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Nov 16, 2005 2:47 PM   
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Moreover, French businesses are weighted down with regulations and restrictions that make its labor market one of the industrial world's most rigid. France's minimum wage is roughly double that of the United States. The workweek is limited to 35 hours. French workers are entitled to a minimum of five weeks of vacation and 36 weeks of paid family or maternity leave, with additional time off available on an unpaid basis. It is very difficult for French companies to lay off or fire employees. Dismissals are subject to stringent bureaucratic constraints. As a result, French companies are extremely reluctant to hire new workers. On average, the United States creates more new private-sector jobs in a month than France does in a year.

At the same time, the generosity of French welfare offers little incentive for the unemployed to look for work. The result is a growing population of idle, disillusioned poor with little connection to society at large.

Of course, we have seen similar effects much closer to home. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, we learned some $10 billion in welfare spending had been pumped into Louisiana over the last five years, yet New Orleans still had an enormous underclass unable to deal effectively with the storm and its aftermath.

Katrina has now started a new American debate on how to address the poverty that still exists in so many cities across America. As President Bush said in his televised address from New Orleans, "As all of us saw on television, there is also some deep, persistent poverty in this region as well. ... We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action."

The president is right, but the important question is what sort of bold action we should take. And here, France provides an important lesson: A growing welfare state financed by ever-higher taxes is not the answer.

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