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Optimism for a Post-Peak Oil Society
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It reminds me a little of the very early days in the fight over global warming. Appalled at the forecasts of global destruction, some of us demanded immediate and strong action--high taxes on carbon emissions, for instance, and never mind the pain. Others -- more moderate or more politically realistic -- advocated a suite of what they called "no regrets" policies. They suggested, say, gradual rises in gas mileage, higher efficiency standards for appliances. Even if climate change proved to be overblown hooey, they pointed out, such rational and easy measures would still save us money, reduce conventional pollution, and so on. These steps were like taking out a modest amount of insurance; whatever happened we'd have no regrets about having adopted them.
In actual fact, of course, we took neither the urgent nor the more relaxed steps. Instead we bought Ford Explorers. Now everything that was frozen is melting and soon we will have ... regrets.
Who knows if we're actually going to see oil production peak sometime soon? Not me. I've read persuasive arguments that we will from writers like Michael Klare and James Howard Kunstler and Paul Roberts. I've also read confident counterarguments from people who've been right in the past, like Daniel Yergin of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. Oil depletion is not a straightforward physical law, like the fact that the molecular structure of carbon dioxide traps heat that would otherwise radiate back out to space. Instead it's a detective story that turns on questions like, are the Saudis lying about how fast oil is being depleted in their giant field at Ghawar? My suspicion had always been that we'd run out of sinks before sources -- that is, run out of atmosphere before oil wells -- but it's beginning to look like the race will be tight.
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In any event, the real question is what to do in the face of uncertainty. In policy terms, the answer is easy, since cushioning the end of oil would require precisely the same steps as slowing down climate change: raising gas mileage, converting to hybrid cars, building trains, imposing carbon taxes, giving tax breaks for insulation.
But in personal terms? That's how peak oil affects the imagination, after all. You can't hear about it without starting to wonder, what's my life going to be like? Authors have provided helpful guesses about which regions of the country to move to (New England good, suburban Atlanta bad) or what items to install on your homestead. The trouble with such advice, however, is that it's altogether too personal, too private. If the nightmare of a globally warmed world is, say, a storm-raked, mosquito-ridden, sea-besieged city on a tropical shore, then the nightmare of a post-oil world is a lone family holed up on its new farm using its cache of firearms to guard its stockpile of food. You can imagine it coming to that -- Mad Max meets American Gothic. It's hard to underestimate the degree of rage that might accompany the end of the cheap-fuel culture in a country as entitled as ours. But the loner option is full of unhappiness, no matter what. At best it offers survival.
The no-regrets options are different, and seductive. They all involve communities learning to fend more powerfully for themselves -- communities ratcheting down their dependence on the overstretched and oil-dependent lines of supply that mark a globalized economy, and ratcheting up the semiforgotten, close-to-home economies that might prove more stable in an energy-starved world. Some of this work is already underway, but it will be given a new urgency if the price of oil just keeps on leaping.
Consider, for instance, the fine small city of Burlington, in Vermont. It has its own in-town farming district, the Intervale -- land that once served as the town dump and now has about five hundred acres of vegetables and berries and grains, selling mostly to people who appreciate freshness, who think organically, who want to support their neighbors. The Intervale already provides eight percent of the fresh produce that the town's residents consume, and eight percent is not insignificant. But it still leaves 92 percent arriving by truck, boat, and plane from around the planet -- apples from China, say, even though Burlington lies in the Champlain Valley, one of the planet's finest apple-growing belts. In a cheap-fuel economy you can take advantage of cheap Chinese labor and sell Chinese apples for a cheap forty cents. Say that the price of oil rises to the point where that apple costs fifty cents, and sixty, and seventy -- each increase should make it easier to extend the Intervale farms over a few hundred more acres. Oil at a hundred dollars a barrel means fewer bananas and more local apples and blueberries.
But that process needn't wait until shortage requires it -- until we're scrambling. With a little lead time, we can put in place the no-regrets kinds of policies that make sense for a less spendthrift society. Consider, for instance, Burlington Bread. That's the local currency that a few people developed in Burlington six or seven years ago -- one of several thousand such currencies that have sprung up around the world. But like most of the American experiments, Burlington Bread has never broken out of the backrub and vegan-restaurant ghetto; it's basically a medium of exchange between earnest masseuses. Now, though, locals led by University of Vermont economics professor Bob Costanza are trying to make something more of it.
Costanza, one of the founders of ecological economics, has proposed having the city issue Bread. If they could use the currency to pay some municipal expenses, and in turn accept it for taxes and fees, then it would stand a chance of gaining a real foothold. In time, say Costanza's colleagues, 20 percent of Burlington's economy might use Bread instead of greenbacks -- which, because it would give people money that only had value in the metro area, would automatically make local goods more competitive. Move that produce number from eight percent to, say, 28 percent. Suddenly the town is a lot better situated for the post-oil world. And suddenly the town is not just a collection of unrelated individuals living in a vast planetary economy, but a real community in a real place filled with people who depend on one another in real ways.
Right now organizers are trying to persuade some of the city's many vendors to accept Bread in payment for their services -- that's the test the city's mayor, Peter Clavelle, will use to decide if the project goes ahead or not. "It's a classic chicken-and-egg problem," says Ed Antczak of the city's Community and Economic Development Office. "The onus is on the local-currency people to prove over the next 12 months that there are vendors willing to take it from the city. It's like, 'Bring me the broomstick of the Witch of the West.' Because otherwise it's a little out there for the city to get involved."
Out there, sure. But in a world where business as usual seems less and less likely, that may be the only place beyond regret.
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Some people see this need as a sign of regression, but sustainability is the real future. It is the road to progress. The small and local are going to have to survive more on their own.
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Most Americans don't realize what is coming and for the few who have an inkling,they may believe money will always get them out of a jam as in the past;the fallacy of that view will dawn on them in an abrupt, unpleasant way.
We have wasted the last 35 years to prepare for the inevitable and the continuing resistance to dealing with reality is ingrained. I firmly believe that our so-called leaders know what's down the pike but they keep on fiddling and passing draconian fascist laws like the Patriot Act to keep the masses in line. None of them have the courage or political independence to confront the root problem of oil dependency;don't want to jeopardize those fat campaign contribution checks from Exxon,etc.
Don't you just love social Darwinism and you're-on-your-own-ership society.
See http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ for some eye-opening facts.
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Additional product can be sourced from shale and coal reserves, albeit at considerable expense. Do we really want to tear up sensitive ecosystems in forest preserves, National Parks and other areas for a short-term fix to a long-term problem? Probably not.
Renewable technology is going to be driven by the economics of fossil fuels. No government program or grass roots program will change the consumer and the market as profoundly as the bottom line.
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Here's some of what I have said in the past:
If you wanted to predict the cost and availabilityof oil in the future with a program you would need to allow for inputing values into a host of different variables. Then you would need to allow the user of the program to add NEW variables and construct relationships of how these new variables would affect the conclusion(s) of the program.
Suppose Bird Flu kills 1/3 of humanity and sends the world into a recession. How does that affect Peak Oil conclusions? What if we get a Democratic President in 2008 and he decides to invest $200 billion in robotics mining technology so we can retrieve the 1.3 trillion barrels ( doubling world reserves ) on the floor of the ocean? What if a new world religion is founded on the principle that we should "consume less and share more?" How do these things affect Peak Oil conclusions?
It's all a mental construction. There is plenty of oil for many decades to come, if we are willing to pay for it. The tar sands of Canada,synthetic fuels from coal, the oil under the ocean floor .... and many alternative fuels which have already been proven. It's more about the cost than the possibility of making sufficient quantities of these fuels.
Did you know that Brazil is willing to sell ethanol to the U.S. at
60 cents a gallon but is currently prevented from doing so by a high tariff? So much for "free trade." We're free to justify war in Iraq with high tariffs against Brazil and other countries.
The basic argument from Peak Oil is that we need to be prepared to fight resource wars. It's one more mental construction .... aka argument .... to support the conclusion that "war is necessary."
These mental constructions are getting quite tiresome.
Enough already!
Steve Moyer
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Posted by: cyclone on Nov 8, 2005 10:01 AM
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Interestingly, now that the price of gasoline has dropped somewhat, I have noticed that the desire to dump SUV's and buy fuel effecient vehicles has waned. People are already snapping up SUV's faster than they were clicking on internet sites searching out hybrids three months ago.
The intellect and lack of long range vision of the American people is simply mind boggling. They refuse to believe that the party will ever end. The FAT LADY HAS SUNG and nobody heard her. After all, she wasn't singing on Oprah.
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In the modern history of urban development, civic governments in hundreds of cities around the world ruined extremely public beneficial & fantasticly useful urban tramway networks during the 1950s & 60s. Convinced by lobby groups (who were actually representing oil & motorcar companies) that large tracts of urban land were best served by the private motor car, many great cities of the world - that only decades ago were served by public trams - will soon be looking at redeveloping most of these same tram networks all over again at considerable taxpayer expense.
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By the way, my mother, who lived through the Great Depression, has repeatedly reminded me of the "potato soup"
entree.
It can keep you going for a while.
Steve
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*paraphrased from Freewheelin' Franklin.
Seriously, though - remember Carter in his sweaters encouraging us to turn down our thermostats, insulate our homes and conserve gas? We were smart to throw out that whiner! We've doubled gasoline consumption and we're still going strong! If we choose the proper leadership, we can cut every tree and pump our wastes directly into the groundwater.
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Biodiesel does require some amount of petrochemical to work, but the pollution is significantly reduced as well as the dependance on a non-renewable resource. We could make world oil reserves stretch for many years beyond current supply concepts. How much vegetable matter is wasted every day because there are no buyers for it? This vegetable matter could be turned into oil to be used for biodiesel. Most of the petroleum companies even have the capabilities of modifying their plants to produce it with a minimal cost compared to oil exploration or the destruction to our environment.
Heck, I even heard of a guy that generates heat for his house one kernel of corn at a time. He has a special oven that uses a hopper system to burn corn for heat.
Why do we continue to limit ourselves and our ideas? I think it is because we get so focused on one viable solution we lose the ability to be open to other problems and solutions. Narrow thinking is what got us where we are now.
What about hemp or recycled paper and plastics? There are so many things in dumps that will not degrade in our lifetimes. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
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Some people see this need as a sign of regression, but sustainability is the real future. It is the road to progress. The small and local are going to have to survive more on their own.
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Most Americans don't realize what is coming and for the few who have an inkling,they may believe money will always get them out of a jam as in the past;the fallacy of that view will dawn on them in an abrupt, unpleasant way.
We have wasted the last 35 years to prepare for the inevitable and the continuing resistance to dealing with reality is ingrained. I firmly believe that our so-called leaders know what's down the pike but they keep on fiddling and passing draconian fascist laws like the Patriot Act to keep the masses in line. None of them have the courage or political independence to confront the root problem of oil dependency;don't want to jeopardize those fat campaign contribution checks from Exxon,etc.
Don't you just love social Darwinism and you're-on-your-own-ership society.
See http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ for some eye-opening facts.
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Additional product can be sourced from shale and coal reserves, albeit at considerable expense. Do we really want to tear up sensitive ecosystems in forest preserves, National Parks and other areas for a short-term fix to a long-term problem? Probably not.
Renewable technology is going to be driven by the economics of fossil fuels. No government program or grass roots program will change the consumer and the market as profoundly as the bottom line.
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Posted by: metamind on Nov 8, 2005 9:08 AM
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Here's some of what I have said in the past:
If you wanted to predict the cost and availabilityof oil in the future with a program you would need to allow for inputing values into a host of different variables. Then you would need to allow the user of the program to add NEW variables and construct relationships of how these new variables would affect the conclusion(s) of the program.
Suppose Bird Flu kills 1/3 of humanity and sends the world into a recession. How does that affect Peak Oil conclusions? What if we get a Democratic President in 2008 and he decides to invest $200 billion in robotics mining technology so we can retrieve the 1.3 trillion barrels ( doubling world reserves ) on the floor of the ocean? What if a new world religion is founded on the principle that we should "consume less and share more?" How do these things affect Peak Oil conclusions?
It's all a mental construction. There is plenty of oil for many decades to come, if we are willing to pay for it. The tar sands of Canada,synthetic fuels from coal, the oil under the ocean floor .... and many alternative fuels which have already been proven. It's more about the cost than the possibility of making sufficient quantities of these fuels.
Did you know that Brazil is willing to sell ethanol to the U.S. at
60 cents a gallon but is currently prevented from doing so by a high tariff? So much for "free trade." We're free to justify war in Iraq with high tariffs against Brazil and other countries.
The basic argument from Peak Oil is that we need to be prepared to fight resource wars. It's one more mental construction .... aka argument .... to support the conclusion that "war is necessary."
These mental constructions are getting quite tiresome.
Enough already!
Steve Moyer
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Posted by: cyclone on Nov 8, 2005 10:01 AM
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Interestingly, now that the price of gasoline has dropped somewhat, I have noticed that the desire to dump SUV's and buy fuel effecient vehicles has waned. People are already snapping up SUV's faster than they were clicking on internet sites searching out hybrids three months ago.
The intellect and lack of long range vision of the American people is simply mind boggling. They refuse to believe that the party will ever end. The FAT LADY HAS SUNG and nobody heard her. After all, she wasn't singing on Oprah.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Nov 8, 2005 10:21 AM
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In the modern history of urban development, civic governments in hundreds of cities around the world ruined extremely public beneficial & fantasticly useful urban tramway networks during the 1950s & 60s. Convinced by lobby groups (who were actually representing oil & motorcar companies) that large tracts of urban land were best served by the private motor car, many great cities of the world - that only decades ago were served by public trams - will soon be looking at redeveloping most of these same tram networks all over again at considerable taxpayer expense.
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Posted by: metamind on Nov 8, 2005 11:34 AM
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By the way, my mother, who lived through the Great Depression, has repeatedly reminded me of the "potato soup"
entree.
It can keep you going for a while.
Steve
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Nov 8, 2005 1:06 PM
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*paraphrased from Freewheelin' Franklin.
Seriously, though - remember Carter in his sweaters encouraging us to turn down our thermostats, insulate our homes and conserve gas? We were smart to throw out that whiner! We've doubled gasoline consumption and we're still going strong! If we choose the proper leadership, we can cut every tree and pump our wastes directly into the groundwater.
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Biodiesel does require some amount of petrochemical to work, but the pollution is significantly reduced as well as the dependance on a non-renewable resource. We could make world oil reserves stretch for many years beyond current supply concepts. How much vegetable matter is wasted every day because there are no buyers for it? This vegetable matter could be turned into oil to be used for biodiesel. Most of the petroleum companies even have the capabilities of modifying their plants to produce it with a minimal cost compared to oil exploration or the destruction to our environment.
Heck, I even heard of a guy that generates heat for his house one kernel of corn at a time. He has a special oven that uses a hopper system to burn corn for heat.
Why do we continue to limit ourselves and our ideas? I think it is because we get so focused on one viable solution we lose the ability to be open to other problems and solutions. Narrow thinking is what got us where we are now.
What about hemp or recycled paper and plastics? There are so many things in dumps that will not degrade in our lifetimes. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
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