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Intellectual property is indeed a big issue these days. There's a vibrant trade in pirated CDs and DVDs, counterfeit handbags and watches, and all manner of bootlegged digital files at swap meets in Dakar and in the vendor stalls of Hong Kong, not to mention along Canal Street in New York City and in dens and bedrooms across America. Intellectual property matters also figure prominently in trade relations between the United States and the developing world, especially China.
The intellectual property debate typically divides into two camps -- those who defend the rights of ownership and those who defend free speech. The first is championed in a recent book by Pat Choate, Hot Property: The Stealing of Ideas in an Age of Globalization (Knopf). The second is represented by Freedom of Expression: Overzealous Copyright Bozos and Other Enemies of Creativity (Doubleday), by Kembrew McLeod
For Choate, an economist and Ross Perot's 1996 vice presidential running mate, intellectual property is about more than simply discouraging CD ripping, purse parties and peer-to-peer file sharing; it's about protecting the American way of life. Developing countries like China violate intellectual property regulations to gain unfair advantage, Choate charges, and it's costing America an estimated $200 billion a year. Not only that, counterfeit medicines and machine parts are making their way into the United States, threatening the safety of everyone. The answer is to secure intellectual property by any means necessary, including using front groups like UNESCO and the World Trade Organization to uphold the rights of owners and punish those who break the rules.
Yet intellectual property abuse has long been part of the American economy. In 1810, Francis Cabot Lowell stole the idea of the power loom from England and patented it in America, which at the time only recognized the intellectual property rights of citizens. This act of piracy gave birth to the American textile industry. A hundred years later, Henry Ford sold Model Ts even though the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers claimed violation of the Selden Patent. His crime made personal motor transportation affordable where it was previously a luxury. But now total intellectual property enforcement helps America dominate the global marketplace.
Intellectual property provisions are contained in the U.S. Constitution to encourage new ideas and reward those who create them, with the ultimate goal of furthering the interests of society. That it currently has the opposite effect is Kembrew McLeod's contention.
McLeod is a professor of communications studies at University of Iowa and a music critic for Rolling Stone, Spin and the Village Voice, among others. In 1998, he officially trademarked the words "freedom of expression" to point out the absurd state of intellectual property regulation. While this and the other high-jinks he reports on are amusing, McLeod's intentions are serious -- corporations are putting up fences against the free exchange of ideas to line their own pockets and everyone else suffers for it.
For one thing, the prevailing intellectual property climate impedes scientific progress. It's more difficult and expensive, for example, to do research on inherited diseases because of gene patents. Nor is the common good served when information about the safety and effectiveness of prescription drugs gets withheld under the cloak of "trade secrets." It often doesn't even make economic sense -- statistics McLeod cites from the Pew Internet and American Life Project show a positive correlation between MP3 file sharing and the rise in CD sales over the past few years, even as the record industry has waged jihad on suburban teenagers for copyright infringement.
While keeping the creative commons open for free expression is important, it isn't enough. The English Land Enclosure Movement of the early mercantile era wasn't about curtailing free speech, but about separating peasants from the traditional means of their livelihood and forcing them into sweatshops, creating both a new source of private wealth and a ready supply of wage labor. By the same token, the new intellectual property regime of the information economy wants to capture the very thoughts of workers, only to sell them back in pay-per-view. So from Palo Alto to Bangalore, hackers of the world, unite!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 5, 2005 7:19 AM
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"The intellectual property debate typically divides into two camps -- those who defend the rights of ownership and those who defend free speech."
Right. That's exactly what our founding father's meant by "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The founding fathers OBVIOUSLY considered discourse and dialogue protected from government persecution a SIDELINE when compared to the greater good had by open source EMINEM tracks. Yo da funky beat to those powdered whig wearing progressives before their time. Indeed.
Yuck. This article makes me ill. I'm not even going to bash this ignorant, silly and utterly outrageus extension of AUTHOR'S idea of free speech, other than to note that the author tramples two amendments with one article: it both belittles our right to free speech and argues for the end of property rights.
Gee-whiz folks, you guys don't really buy into the public looting of property, intellectual or otherwise, do you? Does anyone see comparison between "public taking" of intellectual property and "public taking" of the Kelo home in New London? Ultra-egalitarian sounds really, really good, until I borrow your car because I sense that you need to be more altruistic.
Further, the bastardification of the fundamental right to free speech--bent to the will of the author--has gotten me sufficiently miffed as to dismiss out of reaction any nugget of rationality regarding copyright and patent reform that the author may (or may not) have buried deeply within his manifesto.
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 9:09 AM
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Wake up and understand that "property rights" are man-made instrumental fictions supposed to be designed for the greater good. That is the only reason the greater population agrees to be bound by them. Once they cease to serve the greater good, like any other evil regime they must be shaken off!
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 11:37 AM
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The former are based on hard facts, the denial of which would destroy humanity; the latter are based on the theory that if these so-called rights are protected, in the long run, they will somehow benefit the public at large because they create incentives to innovate, etc.
These premises, far from being hard and fast facts, are extremely tenuous and hotly contested. In fact, reality demonstrates that these so-called property rights hinder innovation, education, and progress and benefit only those who have capital resources.
You guys are just blind by your uncritical acceptance of the theories behind these so-called property rights.
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 12:40 PM
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If you allow others to copy someone's publication, or reproduce someone's invention, that someone's existence is not destroyed. Simply, that someone's profits are limited to those which they can make by continuing to add and improve to collective knowledge.
In contrast, if you take away someone's right to air, food, water, shelter, safety, or the ability to express themselves and socialize, then you destroy their humanity. If we fail to protect immutable human rights, humanity cannot exist.
The fundamental flaw in your logic is that you put the cart before the horse. You reject outright the 'right to take' someone's so-called IP rights, but fail to explain to us why IP rights should exist to begin with.
Human rights exist because people DIE without them or live in silence or misery--neither of which are consistent with humanity; without IP rights venture capitalists cannot make money hand over fist by reproducing a creative mind's works--that is no great loss to humanity.
Believe it or not, creative minds invent for other reasons besides making boatloads of money. They create to express themselve, save lives, get noticed...etc. Innovation will simply not cease to exist if we don't create IP rights.
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However, the individual creative minds who benefit from IP monopolies eventually become the mega corporations that you fear and under the current interest-based financial system further consolidate massive amounts of wealth by lending their IP made money at interest.
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Once you acknowledge this fact, it is easy to conclude that IP rights that affect human rights (health and education) must not be granted to individuals or corporations through which they can exploit people's needs.
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Posted by: Freddy on Nov 6, 2005 1:43 PM
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will owe you royalities for the rest of his life.
PS the second model is copyrighted ;-) .
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Posted by: skinstretcher on Nov 6, 2005 8:44 PM
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But if your work happens to take place in your brain instead of your hands, is that work of any less value?
If intellectual property is so worthless that its creators don't deserve compensation, then why do free-speech fanatics insist they be "free" to benefit from it?
If Kembrew McLeod truly believes what he says, then his book should be free for the asking. Or maybe he's only free to tell half-truths?
Of course, patenting genes has pushed the issue of ownership into absurdity. It's definitely gotten out of control; DNA should not be a commodity - least of all owned by corporations. But there clearly is a case to be made for copyrights and patents - just not for their ownership by corporations.
Corporations are the real problem here; let's get rid of those before destroying what is truly worth saving: ideas.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Nov 6, 2005 10:12 PM
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That said, where is it free speech to download a song or album or movie or book and not give the people that created it so much as a finger snap for their trouble? I am not talking about copying a CD (music or audiobook) that you bought so you can carry a copy in your car or your MP3 player. That, I agree, falls under fair use. Same for copying a DVD so if the copy gets beat up on, there's still the original.
Fair use also includes using a passage from a written work or a clip (less than five minutes) from a movie or TV show if you are writing about it or showing it on your chat show. NOT THE WHOLE PIECE. That is piracy.
If people think that the whole world of music should be theirs for the taking, that's part of the problem.
If someone wants to buy a counterfeit designer good because they can't/don't want to pay full freight for the actual item, then they are shallow and cheap and should spend time trying to figure out why labels are so blasted important and then suck it up and buy the real thing. If they are buying a counterfeit because "the price could not be beat!", they are stupid.
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There are rewards other than money that flow from being creative. Besides, the only thing that results from allowing people to make tons of money from their ideas is consolidation of wealth in the hands of a few.
It does not increase innovation; it does the exact opposite. Why pay someone new money for their labor when you can milk your IP for all it's worth?
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"The intellectual property debate typically divides into two camps -- those who defend the rights of ownership and those who defend free speech."
Right. That's exactly what our founding father's meant by "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The founding fathers OBVIOUSLY considered discourse and dialogue protected from government persecution a SIDELINE when compared to the greater good had by open source EMINEM tracks. Yo da funky beat to those powdered whig wearing progressives before their time. Indeed.
Yuck. This article makes me ill. I'm not even going to bash this ignorant, silly and utterly outrageus extension of AUTHOR'S idea of free speech, other than to note that the author tramples two amendments with one article: it both belittles our right to free speech and argues for the end of property rights.
Gee-whiz folks, you guys don't really buy into the public looting of property, intellectual or otherwise, do you? Does anyone see comparison between "public taking" of intellectual property and "public taking" of the Kelo home in New London? Ultra-egalitarian sounds really, really good, until I borrow your car because I sense that you need to be more altruistic.
Further, the bastardification of the fundamental right to free speech--bent to the will of the author--has gotten me sufficiently miffed as to dismiss out of reaction any nugget of rationality regarding copyright and patent reform that the author may (or may not) have buried deeply within his manifesto.
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Wake up and understand that "property rights" are man-made instrumental fictions supposed to be designed for the greater good. That is the only reason the greater population agrees to be bound by them. Once they cease to serve the greater good, like any other evil regime they must be shaken off!
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 11:37 AM
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The former are based on hard facts, the denial of which would destroy humanity; the latter are based on the theory that if these so-called rights are protected, in the long run, they will somehow benefit the public at large because they create incentives to innovate, etc.
These premises, far from being hard and fast facts, are extremely tenuous and hotly contested. In fact, reality demonstrates that these so-called property rights hinder innovation, education, and progress and benefit only those who have capital resources.
You guys are just blind by your uncritical acceptance of the theories behind these so-called property rights.
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 12:40 PM
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If you allow others to copy someone's publication, or reproduce someone's invention, that someone's existence is not destroyed. Simply, that someone's profits are limited to those which they can make by continuing to add and improve to collective knowledge.
In contrast, if you take away someone's right to air, food, water, shelter, safety, or the ability to express themselves and socialize, then you destroy their humanity. If we fail to protect immutable human rights, humanity cannot exist.
The fundamental flaw in your logic is that you put the cart before the horse. You reject outright the 'right to take' someone's so-called IP rights, but fail to explain to us why IP rights should exist to begin with.
Human rights exist because people DIE without them or live in silence or misery--neither of which are consistent with humanity; without IP rights venture capitalists cannot make money hand over fist by reproducing a creative mind's works--that is no great loss to humanity.
Believe it or not, creative minds invent for other reasons besides making boatloads of money. They create to express themselve, save lives, get noticed...etc. Innovation will simply not cease to exist if we don't create IP rights.
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However, the individual creative minds who benefit from IP monopolies eventually become the mega corporations that you fear and under the current interest-based financial system further consolidate massive amounts of wealth by lending their IP made money at interest.
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 5, 2005 1:36 PM
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Once you acknowledge this fact, it is easy to conclude that IP rights that affect human rights (health and education) must not be granted to individuals or corporations through which they can exploit people's needs.
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Posted by: Freddy on Nov 6, 2005 1:43 PM
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
The New Model:
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will owe you royalities for the rest of his life.
PS the second model is copyrighted ;-) .
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Posted by: skinstretcher on Nov 6, 2005 8:44 PM
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But if your work happens to take place in your brain instead of your hands, is that work of any less value?
If intellectual property is so worthless that its creators don't deserve compensation, then why do free-speech fanatics insist they be "free" to benefit from it?
If Kembrew McLeod truly believes what he says, then his book should be free for the asking. Or maybe he's only free to tell half-truths?
Of course, patenting genes has pushed the issue of ownership into absurdity. It's definitely gotten out of control; DNA should not be a commodity - least of all owned by corporations. But there clearly is a case to be made for copyrights and patents - just not for their ownership by corporations.
Corporations are the real problem here; let's get rid of those before destroying what is truly worth saving: ideas.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Nov 6, 2005 10:12 PM
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That said, where is it free speech to download a song or album or movie or book and not give the people that created it so much as a finger snap for their trouble? I am not talking about copying a CD (music or audiobook) that you bought so you can carry a copy in your car or your MP3 player. That, I agree, falls under fair use. Same for copying a DVD so if the copy gets beat up on, there's still the original.
Fair use also includes using a passage from a written work or a clip (less than five minutes) from a movie or TV show if you are writing about it or showing it on your chat show. NOT THE WHOLE PIECE. That is piracy.
If people think that the whole world of music should be theirs for the taking, that's part of the problem.
If someone wants to buy a counterfeit designer good because they can't/don't want to pay full freight for the actual item, then they are shallow and cheap and should spend time trying to figure out why labels are so blasted important and then suck it up and buy the real thing. If they are buying a counterfeit because "the price could not be beat!", they are stupid.
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Posted by: qrswave on Nov 7, 2005 8:16 PM
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There are rewards other than money that flow from being creative. Besides, the only thing that results from allowing people to make tons of money from their ideas is consolidation of wealth in the hands of a few.
It does not increase innovation; it does the exact opposite. Why pay someone new money for their labor when you can milk your IP for all it's worth?
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