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Valerie Plame: The Bush Equivalent of Paula Jones?

By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real. Posted October 29, 2005.


Legal experts are already debating whether the Wilsons have a case. These are the same experts who thought Jones' case was going nowhere in court -- instead of leading to Clinton's impeachment.

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What do Bill Clinton and O.J. Simpson have in common? Both men slipped through the fingers of the criminal justice system, only to get their comeuppance in civil court.

I only mention that because yesterday's developments in the CIA leak investigation are just the beginning -- not the end. No matter how many senior administration officials end up getting indicted, the real damage to this administration may come not from criminal convictions -- if any -- but from a civil action currently being planned by Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.

There's important history here. In case you've forgotten, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, for all his diligence, (some would call it obsessive diligence)  couldn't pin a thing of consequence on the Clintons until right-wing lawyers convinced Paula Jones to file a civil suit against Clinton. That case set loose a sequence of events that were cheered by conservatives out to get Clinton, but are now likely to be keeping them awake at nights.

Remember, it was the Paula Jones case that established that a private citizen can sue a sitting President. After that, President Clinton had to give sworn depositions to Jones' lawyers. By then the Lewinsky scandal was making headlines. Since Jones' case alleged sexual misconduct by Clinton, her lawyers quickly added it to their discovery wish list. Clinton was sworn in and asked if had he ever "had sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky…?" Scuffing the ground like the bad little boy he'd been, he lied to them.

That's how getting a hummer in the Oval Office became a crime. Because Clinton lied about it in a civil case, he was slammed with a perjury charge.

WASHINGTON -- July 29, 1999) -- A federal judge has ordered President Bill Clinton to pay $90,686 for giving false testimony in the civil sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Webber Wright's office issued the fine Thursday. She had held the president in contempt of court in April, ruling that Clinton intentionally gave false testimony during his deposition in Jones' suit. Clinton did not elect to fight the ruling, agreeing instead to pay the court $1,202 for expenses associated with a deposition and for "reasonable costs incurred by plaintiffs" as a result of his actions.

After that, Jones's attorneys had Clinton by the short hairs. He couldn't afford to get caught lying twice in the case, especially with the Lewinsky matter heating up -- as was his wife, Hillary -- which meant he couldn't afford to tell the truth either. So he settled the case, agreeing to pay Jones $850,000 to go away.

And so it came to pass that what Ken Starr could not accomplish (with nearly $60 million taxpayer dollars), a handful of right-wing lawyers -- plus a gal from an Arkansas trailer park -- did in civil court. Their civil case set in motion a sequence of events that got a sitting president impeached.


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Joe Wilson for President!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 29, 2005 3:18 AM   
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I don't see why not. Valerie Plame as first lady. The have CIA background (like the Bushes), and it would be sweet to see them sue in civil court, and take the white house away from them also. Wilson is clearly anti-war, unlike some other candidates. They are the family that may entirely blow the secrecy off of the Bush family. It all seems feasible to me.

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» RE: Joe Wilson for President! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Joe Wilson for President! Posted by: nitsua1023
» RE: Joe Wilson for President! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Joe Wilson for President! Posted by: holojojo
» RE: Joe Wilson for President! Posted by: cstriker
Stephen Pizzo rocks!
Posted by: John Rice on Oct 29, 2005 6:28 AM   
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Pizzo as usual, offers great insight and hope.
What a well-thought-out and credible piece it is!
Let us all hope his crystal ball is as good as his writing, and that it is in addition to the federal prosecution and punishment those traitors deserve.
Regards,,,John

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» RE: Stephen Pizzo rocks! Posted by: aonghus36
But it won't hinge on the Wilsons' credentials
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Oct 29, 2005 8:42 AM   
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I love this guy's stuff! But to be realistic we have to look at two salient points.

Mr. Pizzo adequately points out that right wing lawyers were able to stand a democrat on the carpet for what amounts to hanky-panky and fibbing. No real or even so-called 'national security' issues, to say the least.

He also keeps it in the proper time frame, but neglects to consider the significance of these two points when taken together.

Despite all of the disingenuous moaning about liberal bias, it will be another matter altogether to get a corporocrat in hot water over political machinations that they will undoubtedly try to rationalize. Even more so now than ten or twenty years ago.

They are clearly mean-spirited bald-faced liars out to punish anyone with the nerve to tell the truth after they have lied through their teeth and sworn to it. But what will it do to american politics to make such acts punishable?

Mud-slinging, character assassination, shooting the messenger to silence the message and defeating the straw man are integral components of the process. Are we now to require the peacocks and poppinjays in every seat to forego the only gambits they are capable of using? It's not like we have many higher-minded hacks in the fold.

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..and bring me the brain of Karl Rove in a jar!
Posted by: johndenton46 on Oct 29, 2005 8:48 AM   
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Nothing to to do with this article. just wanted to say it.

But while I'm at it, yes. Civil Suit: The Movie!

The Jackie-like visage of Valerie Plame in her scarf and Dior shades. A woman wronged--a CIA agent even!

Joe Wilson, played by Joe MacGinnis, dressing down Scooter's lawyers.

Video of Bush's assertions about the bogus yellowcake as George Tenet, in the background, flicks his eyes to the floor.

Colin Powell pacing gloomily in self-imposed exile, watching the proceedings on TV, who then rushes down to the courtroom to provide crucial testimony and redeem his career.

Then like a flock of penguins, the entire White House plus Rummy and the Connies is led off to....Guantanamo!

note to Oliver Stone: you wouldn't have to fabricate this one.

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Don't be and idiot
Posted by: amyhotpants on Oct 29, 2005 9:02 AM   
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Why does Paula Jones have to be referred to as Trailer Trash. How does that help your argument to degraded her for her financial status. Just because she wan't as an upstanding individual as Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve equal condsideration under the law. Looking down on her for living in a trailer makes you look like a snob, beware puttin yourself on a pedestal the inevitable fall will hurt.

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» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: newsforreal.com
» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: giles
» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: newsforreal.com
» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: Jarnsaxa
» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: justthefacts
» RE:"and idiot"? Posted by: Envi
» RE: ...and idiots abound! Posted by: giles
» RE: "and idiot"? Posted by: amyhotpants
» RE: Don't be and idiot Posted by: lguinn
» RE: Right Wing lawyers! Posted by: giles
But lets not gloss over the criminal charges either
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 29, 2005 11:17 AM   
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We frequently hear as a rationalization for inaction or cover-ups concerning presidential peccadilloes that the effect of the process and its revelations would be excessively demoralizing to the American people or that it would do damage to the office of the presidency.

Two points.

The opposite seems to be the case. Watergate might be the last decent thing that the US government did. Most importantly, it emphasized the difference the office of the presidency and its occupant. By ousting Nixon, America said that he was not fit to occupy that chair. By covering up for Reagan, they preserved the early neocon presence and opened the door to the next step in the evolution of their nefarious plans. Reagan and all of his associates should have been disgraced and convicted. Instead, they walked and many resurfaced in this government.

Also, you couldn't possibly demoralize or disenchant the American people any more than they already are. The uberpatriots that have been chanting for war might be thrown for a loop, but need to be shut up and educated. And the other half of us who have been until now utterly despondent, we would be thrilled to see this entire government frog marched away. We might even become believers in America again.

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canardtahiti
Posted by: canardtahiti on Oct 29, 2005 11:52 AM   
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The bushcrappers (including media pundits) have consistently dismissed Joe Wilson as a "nobody," that's how confident they were/are of the US public's ignorance and short memory.

In point of fact, Wilson was NOT ONLY the acting ambassador to Iraq when Saddam invaded Kuwait. Joe Wilson is the HERO who saved hundreds of westerner hostages, "guests" that Saddam had assembled and threatened to use as human shields. Remember the terrified little Brit boy Saddam held on his knee?

Wilson stood up to Saddam, got the westerners out of Baghdad...and for his courage Joe Wilson received a medal from then-president Bush Sr. Yet this is the same Joe Wilson that Cheney "doesn't know?" And according to the whoring MSM press, these neocons were supposedly asking two years ago, "who is this guy Wilson?"

Bushcrap, they knew EXACTLY who he was/is. They knew EXACTLY the threat Wilson posed to their mendatious campaign of "liberating" Iraq's non-existent WMDs.

They intentionally smeared him and outed his wife with their typical neocon "This is what we do to anybody who gets in our way" operations, designed to terrorize and silence all dissent.

And that 's exactly WHY they invaded Iraq, too. It was a cheney/rummy "chaos-by design" operation, a bloody and murderous "warning" to the entire region and to all other oil-producting countries, to whit: "Be advised, this is what we can and will do to anybody who gets in our way, specifically to any country that sells its oil in euros rather than petro-dollars."

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» RE: canardtahiti Posted by: ShaSpirit
» RE: canardtahiti Posted by: pacto
From Your Mouth To God's Ears
Posted by: truthorconsequences on Oct 29, 2005 12:23 PM   
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Hopefully the scenario painted by you and also

Tomgram: De la Vega, a Prosecutor Considers Libby's Indictment (http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=32241)

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STEPHEN PIZZO AND NEWSFORREAL.COM IS BRILLIANT!!
Posted by: karind1 on Oct 29, 2005 1:11 PM   
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i have to say www.newsforreal.com with stephen pizzo at the head-is the most interesting web page of it's kind. i am constantly forwarding his writings to media outlets and the dnc and anyone else i can think of. he is BRILLIANT...and wise and I am so glad his article on jones and plame is here at alternet. that too, was a wise move.

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Cheney knew Joe back in the day
Posted by: the republic on Oct 29, 2005 1:12 PM   
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Cheny certainly remembered Joe Wilson. Somebody needs to dig out some archives that have Cheny commending Wilson for Joe's actions in Iraq, and juxtapose that with the MTP clip.

Joe Wilson's bona fides explain Cheney/Scooter's reaction - they knew Joe was the real deal from way back.

Hence, the Repub/MSM/NeoCon current smear tactics - Joe has something they don't.

Integrity.

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Not to mention...former ambassador to Iraq
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 29, 2005 3:07 PM   
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And as someone else's post just reminded me, he was the former ambassador to Iraq during Bush 41. The list probably goes on from there, but we will all learn a lot more about Joe Wilson.

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I am so burned out and disappointed
Posted by: ShaSpirit on Oct 29, 2005 7:30 PM   
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I know this has nothing to do with this wonderful story, but I need to tell someone how much this whole thing hurts me. Some time Thursday I got really burned out with all the watching and waiting. When I finally got to watch the news conference, I was so disappointed that Rove was not indicted too. He, more than Libby, needs to go. Without him Bush cannot think straight and gets rattled. The more rattled he is, the better it is for getting rid of him. I hate to even think about 3 more years.

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It'd be nice, but not very likely
Posted by: leftylawyer on Oct 29, 2005 7:37 PM   
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I think the Wilson's are too much of a class act to sue a la Paula Jones.

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Fitz ain't done yet
Posted by: cold2touch on Oct 29, 2005 7:38 PM   
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He reminds me of a well-schooled body puncher and with that pug Irish face, he looks the part. He didn't waste time dancing and jabbing, threw one clean uppercut to the liver, then stepped back to get set for the next one. Let WH wonder when, where, how.
All of us who have come to viscerally hate this evilocracy should sit back and enjoy the show.
To paraphrase that memorable Nixon saying: Let aspens turn slowly in the wind (because they are connected at the roots).

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» RE: Fitz ain't done yet Posted by: farmer's daughter
justthefacts
Posted by: justthefacts on Oct 29, 2005 8:21 PM   
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For the record, and without going into the distinctions, the case against Clinton was not built on perjury, it was rather a case of lying under oath in a Federal Court. If you look at the charges against Libby, they involve both lying and perjury. My guess is that the penalties are substantially different, and that to be charged with perjury, you have to be grilled by the prosecutors down to your denial. Be interesting from a legal point to see if the Federal prosecutors with the FBI transcript in front of them challenged Libby with it, or simply let his inconsistencies pass.

But that said, perjury was never a legal issue for Clinton, setting aside the Constitutional confrontation.

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» RE: justthefacts Posted by: giles
justthefacts
Posted by: justthefacts on Oct 29, 2005 8:40 PM   
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I add, "Paula Jones was simply a Tonya Harding sans ice skates". What do you base that on? Nothing of course. Just gratuitous garbage against someone I would guess you will forever trash for what she "made Clinton do". Sadly, says far more about you than it does about Paula Jones.

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» RE: justthefacts Posted by: giles
» RE: justthefacts Posted by: giles
RE: Don't Be an Idiot
Posted by: bambic on Oct 30, 2005 1:17 PM   
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Ahem...due to cicumstances beyond my control, I am currently living in a trailer park, in Arkansas, approximately 15 minutes away from the Clinton Library...
and, although I do not consider myself trash, most of my neighbors, despite the Internet and Satellite Dishes, don't have a clue as to who Scooter Libby is, and don't give a damn.
Their interests end at the end of their driveway.
If I can ever rise above the poverty level, I'm on Social Security Disability, I will take my ass back to L.A.

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» RE: Don't Be an Idiot Posted by: lguinn
George
Posted by: GeorgeHarris on Oct 30, 2005 7:10 PM   
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On Fox Sunday morning Brett Hume responded to Juan Williams by saying that he should be "hosed down". At first, I just thought the comment was rude, but the comment bothered me a lot. As I thought about it, I realized the racial overtones in the statement, intended or not. I recalled images of minorities being "hosed down" in the civil rights protests of the 1960's. I dislike references to Paula Jones as trailer trash and insulting references to "hosing someone down" for having opinions.

I believe the character assassinations will escalate as this scandal unfolds. We're in for an ugly time. The Republicans will stonewall and delay to hang onto power. It is probably unrealistic to expect civil discourse, but participating readily in the mudslinging will not help. The implication of Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment is frightening. It is time for sober analysis and discipline.

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» RE: George Posted by: krose
Let's run this simulation on Libby's indictment and not Rove's
Posted by: Conan the Younger on Oct 30, 2005 8:07 PM   
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This is a simulation based on all of the news accounts that I have read this morning.
1. Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of Libby only was caused by a last minute meeting between Rove, Rove's lawyer, and Fitzgerald. Rove told Fitzgerald something that confused the situation concerning Rove's indictment so Fitzgerald did not announce Rove's indictment. But Fitzgerald told Rove that he is still under investigation.
2. Fitzgerald has said that he intends to empanel another federal grand jury in order to continue the investigation.
3. There is no love lost between Rove and Cheney. Both have been contending for control of Bush's brain since day one.
Start Simulation:
4. If Rove has decided it is time to get rid of Cheney, Rove could have turned over to Fitzgerald evidence of Cheney's direct involvement in ordering Libby to make the attack on the Wilsons.
5. Fitzgerald decides Rove's evidence is sufficient for Rove not to be indicted, so far. Fitzgerald convenes a new grand jury and brings them up to speed with previous evidence and Rove's new evidence.
6. Fitzgerald informs Cheney that he is under investigation based on Rove's new evidence.
7. Cheney and Libby decide to flip the Rove/Bush card.
8. Fitzgerald decides not to announce indictments against Cheney and additional ones against Libby, at this time.
9. Fitzgerald informs Bush and Rove they are under investigation and request further testimony from both of them.
10. Continuing political problems with Iraq, other Republican leaders' trials, Global Peak Oil has been publicly acknowledged by US government, and a gallon of gas hits $3.75 by the 4th of July, causes the Republicans to lose control of the House and dead even in the Senate.
11. Fitzgerald decides he has enough evidence that needs to be put in front of the public and announces the indictment of Bush, Cheney, Rove, and others.
12. Cheney and Rove resign. Bush tries to appoint Dobson as his new vice president. The Senate blocks confirmation.
13. Bush is impeached by the House. Bush resigns from the Office of the President of the US before he is convicted by Senate.
14. The new Speaker of the House, Pelosi, is sworn in as the 44th President of the US on 1 April 2007.
End Simulation

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Joe Wilson for Secretery of State?
Posted by: gerdhansel on Oct 31, 2005 11:42 AM   
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Joe Wilson has already gotten Scooter Libby’s scalp. If Fitzgerald’s adventure down in Alice’s rabbit hole leads to Cheney’s resignation somewhere down the road, Mr. Wilson will have a genuine Wyoming Dick Vader hide to nail to his wall.

Should the Democrats wrench the White House from the crippled Republicans in 2008, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if a grateful Hillary makes Wilson her Secretary of State.

When I first noticed Joe Wilson back during the 1991 Gulf War, I was working in Korea. Armed Forces Television ran a CNN story about Ambassador Wilson, who was our chief diplomat in Baghdad at the time. Wilson had the courage and pluck to tell Saddam Hussein where the cow ate the cabbage, and saved a lot of lives in a dangerous situation. Bush Sr. was duly impressed by Wilson’s courage and resourcefulness.

I was also impressed by the man. I remember thinking at the time, “Hmm, I wonder if I’ll hear that name again.” Wilson appeared to be just the sort of diplomat the Middle East needed. What if he succeeded some day in the place where Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Sadat and Bill Clinton had all failed?

So when Wilson got an additional 15 minutes of fame at Bush’s expense, I thought, “Hmm, wonder if this yellowcake business will bring down the Bush Administration? If Wilson made that happen, he could be Secretary of State some day.”

Wilson certainly has stellar credentials as a diplomat, and even speaks fluent French, the international language of diplomacy. He was born on the 39th anniversary of the night the Bolsheviks captured the Winter Palace and ousted the Kerensky government, initiating more than 70 years of gulags and mass murder. The Greek Civil war ended on the very day Wilson was born, putting an end to Stalin’s expansion into Eastern Europe. Did I mention that he speaks fluent French?

A talented and resourceful man with such auspicious origins could move the world if the right lever were placed in his hands.

Should Wilson rise to the occasion and bring a miraculous peace to the Middle East some day, I wonder if anybody will notice that each of his names contains six letters, and that his first two initials are “JC?”

And isn’t bringing a miraculous peace to the Middle East the Anti-JC’s claim to fame, after all? I mean, that’s where he supposedly does his Armageddon thing, right?

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