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The Hidden Life of Garbage

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted October 31, 2005.


An interview with Heather Rogers, the author of a new book about our ever-increasing 'waste stream' and the people and corporations that feed it.
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If you have ever wondered, in the face of our ever-expanding landfills and increasingly elaborate packaging of consumer goods and consumption, what happens to the all the garbage, then Heather Rogers' informative and provocative new book, Gone Tomorrow: The Hidden Life of Garbage, published by the New Press, is for you.

It is not a shock that the United States is the number one producer of garbage on the planet; with just 5 percent of the global population we generate 30 percent of the world's trash. The average American throws away a staggering 4.5 pounds of rubbish daily -- that's 1,600 pounds each year, according to Rogers. And garbage is also a global problem; today the middle of the Pacific Ocean is six times more abundant with plastic waste than zooplankton.

So how did we get to this point? Garbage production doubled in the U.S. over the past 30 years, yet waste is increasingly hidden, and the focus on recycling is fading along with it. Rogers says this situation came about through an alignment of manufacturing and marketing forces, combined with goals of the mega-garbage collection companies like Waste Management and Browning Ferris, and even some environmental laws which ended up helping the mega-companies.

Together, the persistent twin emphasis on growth -- our ever expanding consumptive society -- and the encouragement of easy disposal has made it seem painless for us to increasingly evolve to a virtually "throw away" society. With new technologies the impact is particularly pernicious and the impact is often on the Third World, our society's garbage dump. Just think for a moment about how many televisions, computers, screens, cell phones, iPods and other devices and gadgets you and your office have tossed out over the past decade.

Rogers' book, stuffed full of hundreds of fascinating factoids, combines a history of garbage collection with a political analysis of how social and economic forces have created a great garbage monopoly, in much the same way that a few companies dominate many key markets until the "free markets" are no longer remotely competitive.

Mixed in with Rogers' analysis, the reader will encounter fascinating garbage stories of incinerators and mega-dumps, of waste streams and marketing schemes, all aspects of today's waste-addicted culture. Rogers brings an emotional voice to the narrative as the garbage story is both fascinating and appalling, sharing her feelings of being both awe struck and disgusted. Garbage: it really is quite a story.

In the end, while there is plenty to be discouraged about, the book also has heroes and some smart garbage solutions from reformers, ideas to which municipal leaders, like New York's Mayor Bloomberg, are paying some attention.

Heather Rogers sat down with AlterNet in late September at a noisy Cosi's Cafe in Greenwich Village for the following interview. An excerpt from the book accompanies the Q & A.

So why did you write the book? Tell me a little bit about the experience.

I wrote the book because I wanted to know what happened to my garbage. I knew that it disappeared -- and I knew that it didn't. I also was interested in this system that, if it failed to work, whole cities could be brought to a grinding halt. I wanted to know more about what garbage collecting looked like and how it really worked -- something so integral to the way a city functions.

Once I started looking into garbage, I realized that it was this really great way to talk about the way the market works, and its relationship to labor and nature. Also, it was an excellent way to talk about the larger environmental crisis, just through this everyday substance of garbage.

What was your mood while writing it?

It was up and down. There were definitely periods of time when I was very depressed by it ... but also times when I felt good.

I noticed that some of the language you used: "mysterious," "oddly fascinating," "awesome eerie scenes," "metabolism of the market," led me to think you went through some kind of a journey in this sometimes fascinating, sometimes disgusting world.

Yeah. It's true. It was exciting because going to an incinerator, going to a landfill, I got to see these things that are normally hidden from view in our society; certain things are kept in hiding and garbage is one of them. Production is another. To get to go into that realm and see it is kind of exhilarating. You do feel like you're going into a place you're not supposed to be. And also it's horrifying. I had nightmares after I went to see this landfill in Pennsylvania that I write about in the book.

There are key metaphors that I'd like you to comment on. One of them is the massiveness issue -- the mega-facility in Morrisville, Pa. you mentioned -- the 6,000 acres of garbage. Tell me about that as a response to the garbage problem, how massiveness has become the way with which garbage is dealt.

That has everything to do with the corporatization of garbage handling, and the huge scale that's really evolved over the last 30 years. Basically, there's been a shift from the small local mom-and-pop hauling companies that would be contracted out by cities, or municipalities operating garbage collection and disposal themselves. Those have been what's sometimes called "rolled up" by these large corporations like Waste Management, Browning Ferris Industries -- there's a bunch of them now. Those were the first two.

They saw the potential basically because disposal facilities don't operate like a manufacturing facility where you can easily change economies of scale. You can't do that in the same way with garbage handling because of the relationship between collection and proximity. Your garbage has to come from the surrounding area and the costs are fixed with the trucks, etc. But these corporations could start achieving economies of scale by building these mega-fills. That's why it's gone in that direction.

Those companies have the capital to build big and put the other, smaller people out of business with predatory pricing like Wal-Mart?

Predatory pricing has been their main mechanism for driving other businesses out of markets. But it's interesting, because environmental controls passed in the early 1990s played a really key role in the further consolidation and corporatization of the garbage industry. Tighter controls were required for landfill liner and monitoring systems implemented in 1991 by the EPA, that was part of a law that was passed in 1976, called the Resource Conservation Recovery Act (RCRA).

Waste Management, Browning Ferris and these other large companies supported stricter environmental controls because it created barriers to entry for smaller businesses and for municipalities, and it allowed the corporations to come in and absorb up all these landfills that municipalities couldn't afford to upgrade.

So that's an irony, that corporatization has made the environment more healthy; is that fair to say, because the standards were raised?

Well, to some degree, except that the monitoring systems that are in place, many would argue, are completely inadequate. And yet we're told that they're flawless and that this is a great system and what Waste Management is doing in Pennsylvania at their Morrisville landfill is environmentally sound and it's not.

You write a lot about the PR capacities of the big corporations. Has PR played a big role in helping the public forget about garbage and think that it's being taken care of?

It's been very effective and what's interesting is that in the last couple years, there's been a decline in the recycling rate. People's attention and the political pressure on companies like Waste Management to recycle is waning because people do think our wastes are being handled in an environmentally sound fashion. The big companies come up with these schemes like drilling down into their closed landfills to collect the methane, the landfill gas -- under the 1991 E.P.A. rule they have to collect these gases. So they capture some portion of the gases and then direct them to a power generator, an electric company nearby and sell it to them. And they call it green energy. It's not green energy. It's totally wasteful to create that, but it's better to capture it than to release it.

Right, but they make money selling it?

They don't really make money selling it; They make some money, but it's negligible. It's not a real source of income. It's really a great way for them to put another layer of green-washing on what they do.

In the "Corporatization of Garbage" chapter, you describe how in the mid-'90s in NYC, big corporations like Waste Management and Browning Ferris wrested control of garbage collection in New York City from the Mafia. The Mafia were charging exorbitant prices. Then the big companies came in, the prices went down, but then as soon as the corporations got control of the market and the Mafia got squashed, the prices went up to where they were when the Mafia was in charge. Who would be better -- Waste Management, or Don Corleone -- at collecting the garbage?

Hopefully we'd have more options than that.

The Mafia was dislodged because there was this comprehensive undercover investigation led by a New York police officer named Rick Cowan. He infiltrated the garbage cartel -- it was called Operation Wasteland. For three years, he collected audio recordings of the Mafia describing how the cartel worked, implicating themselves, and it was a result of his work that brought the Mafia down.

But all the smaller companies that weren't Mafia but had to kind of pay to protect their turf, they all got squashed, too, right?

Yeah. The thing is that the leadership in New York City wanted the corporations to come in, in part because of business connections. And they did need the garbage to picked up. Giuliani wanted to close Fresh Kills landfill, in Staten Island, and he needed another option.

Morrisville, P.A.?

Exactly. The big waste corporations had the solutions. By 1997, Browning Ferris and Waste Management owned enough disposable capacity to handle all of New York City's garbage. So, there were real benefits that these corporations brought to the table politically and logistically to keep the city running. It was an opportunity for the city to really rethink its waste disposal practices, which they absolutely didn't do at all.

What should they have done?

They could've implemented a municipal composting program. Sixty percent of household garbage that gets thrown away in landfills in the U.S. are compostable items. That would've taken a huge chunk out of what needed to get thrown away in the first place.

So, why has recycling gone down and why isn't there more composting?

Recycling underwent its real renaissance in the late '80s and early '90s because the E.P.A. in the mid and late '80s started implementing a provision in the RCRA which said landfills have to meet a certain safety level in order to operate. Most landfills in the U.S. didn't meet those standards. So two-thirds of the U.S. landfills were shut in the late '80s. It created a disposal crisis. That's when you had that garbage barge [the Mobro 4000] that was full of ash, floating up and down the east coast trying to find a place to dispose of the ash and went to Haiti. It then dumped 10,000 tons of it on a beach illegally in Haiti, and offloaded it somewhere in the ocean.

That was a moment of real crisis over where to put the garbage. At first, local government and also the old-line environmental groups like the Sierra Club endorsed incineration. So there was this huge push to build more incinerators. Except that in New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, neighborhoods got together and said "no, we don't want incinerators in our neighborhoods. They're not safe, they're not clean, we don't want to breath in the smoke and the ash coming out of the stacks.

But the garbage had to go somewhere. So these municipalities, where residents fought incineration, were forced to adopt mandatory municipal curbside recycling programs.

Because of the corporatization of waste handling and disposal, because we have these mega-fills now -- there's an overcapacity of space, so there isn't the pressure for recycling When there isn't the pressure, people aren't thinking about it as much.

Bloomberg even stopped recycling for a while in New York,

Yes, but that was instructive in that when he stopped recycling, it pissed people off. He had to start it again. People really like recycling. The same is true in DC. They stopped it twice there and they had to reinstate because people got so angry.

So there is massiveness and monopoly control; what about the notion of garbage flow ... it seems like garbage is flowing 24/7 all around world.

Shit and gold are constantly flowing. [laughing]

Shit and gold, is that it? [laughing] What do you make of that? It is described as the "waste stream."

It's interesting about that term, the "waste stream." It sanitizes the idea of discard, it's like, it's just this "stream" ... it's just an innocuous thing that's sort of naturally occurring. The levels of waste that we produce in a free market system are by no means the natural outcome of some organic process. They're the product of choices that have been made in many ways by manufacturers to boost consumption and to boost profits. In terms of these flows, you don't have consumption if you don't have wasting. You don't have expanding markets if you don't have increasing levels of consumption. So, in order to have continued intensified growth, you have to have continued, intensified wasting.

But how do you intervene into that system and slow it down or reverse it? Does it require a total paradigm shift into the way people think? Is it possible under capitalism to do that?

I think that one of the downfalls of the environmental movement is that it has tried to separate issues of environmental health from the economic system that those issues exist in. I think that people have witnessed it long enough to know that that approach is flawed.

In the book you write: "the most malignant and abundant trash today is e-trash: cell phones, VCRs, CD players, they all have ugly metals," and you describe it as "built-it obsolescence brought to dizzying new heights." But given the fact of how fast the technology changes -- take the iPod for example -- what's the solution here? If people demand to have the iPod Nano now because it's thin and slick, how do we fight that? Some of this consumption is legitimate because of Moore's Law where processing speed doubles every 18 months, and storage capacity too. A big question here is: can technology solve the waste problem or is it just exacerbating it? We thought that when we had computers we would use less paper and it turns out we use more paper.

Technology never creates less waste.

It never does?

I don't think so. Maybe not never, but it rarely creates less waste. There are two sides of it. One is the production side, and one is the cultural aspect of consumption. On the production side, there are changes that can happen like making commodities more serviceable, building commodities that have longer durability. Making a cell phone that can be repaired when it breaks, instead of it being cheaper to throw it away.

If we put more emphasis on repairing these things, people would throw a lot less away. The other side, on the cultural side of it, people really enjoy consuming, and I think people really enjoy throwing things away. We need to talk about that, we need to address that.

Tell me more about the enjoyment of throwing things away.

I think there's a gratification there that people get. It's different for different people. The system that we have wasn't just thought of by huge manufacturers. It was something that was shaped by real human desires that came into play; certain choices were made. We can address this kind of gratification that people get out of the shiny packaging and when something breaks, getting to throw it away and getting a new, fancier one that takes pictures, has lights and plays music. We can try to address those desires in a different way.

Because I think again the environmental movement has, like I say in the book, this sort of pinched, austere approach that isn't that fun for a lot of people. There are so many ways, when I think about what the possibilities. For example: people are building biodiesel cars with old car bodies. They're totally efficient, great vehicles, but they have these old bodies. They don't get 10 miles to the gallon, they get much more.

Isn't it progress that many people are downloading songs where there's no packaging?

Yes. And it's interesting because that's an example where people don't have the experience of seeing the packaging, being seduced by the packaging and all that; they don't have that experience and yet, they're still buying.

Here's a big question: garbage is connected to global warming, toxic dumps, exploitation of poor neighborhoods and shipped off to third world countries. Garbage seems like a worthy metaphor for much of what is wrong in the world. Is there any trend to suggest that these problems can be addressed, that third world countries aren't going to be stuck with all this dangerous crap you describe in the book being dumped on them.

Unfortunately, Hurricane Katrina revealed that all of these issues are very much at the forefront of what's going on. What happened in the Gulf Coast is awful to see, but it lays bare the reality of the situation. Toxic wastes are being dumped on the poorest communities, and often they're communities of color, and those problems are exacerbated by global warming. All these issues are connected to issues of poverty and inequality. They produce each other. They exacerbate each other.

The stance of green capitalism is that consumption can kind of go on unabated, but you're pretty cynical about these developments: poor product to manufacturing design, bioplastics are a technical fix, etc. What you rail at in the book is: if we can make all these technical fixes, why can't we stop producing so much garbage?

Yes, why can't we change the production process so that it's less wasteful? I do think that industrial production can be made better. I do think that it's incredibly wasteful the way that it operates now. There's so much room for improvement. But I don't think that we have to get rid of industrial production.

Is it happening better in other parts of the world, in Europe or ... ?

Yes. For example, one really simple thing that we could do is switch back to refillable bottles for beverages. It would accomplish a number of things. They use this system in Germany, and 72 percent of all their beverage containers have to be refillable. That's the law. The beverage makers in that country continuously try to break that law, and the government has enforced it. They penalize the beverage producers and enforce the law, and it works. It's profitable and people like it.

They have to take their bottles back to the store; the bottles get washed out and refilled. They leave a deposit and they get it back -- a system that we used to have here, that was phased out in the '70s, because it was more profitable to have disposable containers for the beverage industry and it also facilitated the consolidation of the beverage industry.

We talked about the gratification that people get out of wasting, but there's also a psychological toll that it takes. People don't like to waste. There's another side of it too -- I think it really causes people a lot of concern. There are so few moments where we can directly affect the production process, like the process that brings us this plastic cup. There are so few points at which we can have real contact with that process. And people taking their bottles back to the store, is one of those moments. I think it gives people some hope.

What other suggestions do you have about solutions?

One example is the movement called Zero Waste, which I write about in the last chapter They advocate for a lot of the same things that the Green Capitalists advocate for, which is redesigning the production process and designing waste and designing out toxics. The difference is that the Zero Waste movement says that those things should be mandated by law and they should be enforced because producers won't do it themselves if they don't have to. There's a Zero Waste campaign right now in New York City and they're lobbying city officials. New York City has to come up with a new solid waste management plan.

Mandated?

Yeah, it's mandated by the state. It's at least 10-year plan, with a 20-year timeframe; it's a long-term vision on how the city is going to manage its waste. So, this group of people has been active in influencing this discussion. It's not getting a lot of attention -- they're not getting the attention they deserve.

But Bloomberg has adopted some of their ideas, one of them being that transfer stations which is where garbage gets taken between getting collected and getting taken to the dump or the incinerator should be spread around. The Zero Waste campaign said that transfer stations had to be dispersed around the city and not just concentrated in the South Bronx and in Greenpoint.

Are the neighborhoods still fighting it?

It's pretty much settled. They're going to reopen the transfer station on the Upper East Side, which those people definitely did not want ... but they lost. So there's going to be a transfer station on the UES, they're opening a transfer station on the Westside in the 50s, and that's going to be for commercial construction and demolition debris. They're spreading the burden out in a more equitable way, which is really good. That's something that the Zero Waste put together. They have other ideas.

The other thing I wanted to just mention is that ... I think it's important to acknowledge what's happened on the cultural level in terms of indoctrinating people to disposability. A lot of effort has been made to teach people to throw things away. It's not something that that comes natural to people. It's just use something and discard it, that's something we've had to learn how to do. One of the cultural institutions that has made it its business to normalize disposability is this beautification group called Keep America Beautiful. They were started in 1953.

They've normalized disposables? Are they supported by commercial interests?

Yes, they have shaped the normalization a very sophisticated way, and they were started by the beverage container industry, the packaging industry, and manufacturers. They share members and leaders with the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM). They got their public relations strategy from the NAM, it seems to me.

In 1953, the state of Vermont passed a law that banned disposable bottles. It wasn't an environmental law, it was because people were throwing their disposable bottles out their car windows and it was landing in the hay and the dairy cows were eating the glass and dying. Well there were dairy farmers in the state legislature, and they said, okay we'll put an end to that.

Within months, the beverage container industry and the packaging industry created this group Keep America Beautiful. The idea behind of it was to stop any further bans like the one in Vermont and they were totally, totally successful. Can you imagine a law like that today? No disposable bottles allowed? That's so radical. And they've also been successful in blocking bottle deposit laws -- there's only 11 states that have deposit laws.

And it's because Keep America Beautiful and their allies have fought those laws. They work on the policy level, and they also work on the cultural level., Their "great" accomplishment was that they constructed garbage as the product of individual choices. As an individual responsibility, and not one connected to the production process.

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Waste handling in Wyandotte
Posted by: churchofone on Oct 31, 2005 4:17 AM   
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All trash being picked up in this city must have a "trash tag" in order to be picked up. The city provides each household with 100 tags per year - enough for 2 cans per week, with 2 "free" trash weeks per year. If you use up your tags, you buy more at $1 each.

We also have a subscription service for yard waste pickup and curbside recycling, as well as an excellent drop-off recycling program that is free and includes yard waste, clear and brown glass, 1 & 2 plastics, cans, magazines, batteries, motor oil, office paper and cardboard. It is amazing how much cardboard we recycle every week!

In a household of 2 adults, we barely fill one can per week. We've accumulated a lot of spare "trash tags" due to our willingness to recycle. I used to give them to the neighbor family of four, but since they make no effort to recycle, I've stopped doing so. Someone needs to pay the price! They usually put out 3-4 cans of trash per week and I don't want to encourage that by making it free. What I don't get is why they drop off yard waste for recycling, but not household. Both functions occur in the same municipal yard, about a mile away.

More cities need to adopt programs that make those who create more trash pay the price for doing so.

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Recycling - the North vs the South
Posted by: Xandra on Oct 31, 2005 5:40 AM   
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We recently moved to Houston, TX from Green Bay, WI and were surprised at the lack of recycling programs. Little Green Bay, WI and surrounding areas have very good recycling compared to this city. In WI we recycled paper, glass and plastic bottles and metal cans on a bi-weekly basis. There were collection points for hazardous materials including e-garbage (there was a charge by the pound for computers etc) and composting for yard debris. Here on the NW side of Houston we have found a few paper recycling boxes and I have heard that there is a composting area for yard debris and building material but there is no regular pickup of any recyclables.
The prevailing attitude here seems to be shop and consume as much as possible. The streets downtown are clean but away from that area the highways and side streets are littered with trash and even the high end shops have trash scattered about in their parking areas. We have spotted people throwing coffee cups out of car windows as they drive down the street.

And I was surprised to find that "green energy" is much more expensive than in WI. There we paid through Public Service a monthly fee for blocks of 100 kw of energy and the same kilowatt rate as non-green energy. Here there is a monthly fee and a kw rate of 12.8 cents (compared to 8.8 cents for non-green energy).
It is also rare to see solar panels on homes. Considering the amount of sunlight that Houston receives, solar energy could be a valuable source of energy here which would save fossil fuels for those areas of the country that do need those fuels to produce electricity and heat.

But of course that would be progresive thinking and Houston, TX is very conservative. With the big oil producers here, this state will remain backward in it's energy, recycling and conservation policies all the while promoting itself as a wonderful place to be.

While we are here, we will try to enlist our neighbors to start local recycling programs and to educate people about green energy and less consumption.

We will certainly be glad when our family obligations are complete here and we can move back to the progressive north.

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Germany
Posted by: MPatronik on Oct 31, 2005 8:03 AM   
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Germany's recycling system is great. It's amazing how it is such a fundamental part of daily routine. The candybar wrapper goes "im Gelden Sack" instead of in the rubbish bag, which is expensive so as to promote more recylcing.

I was a recycling advocate in the States before I went to Germany, and when I came back I incorporated that consciouness into my routine as much as I could. Luckily, my rural Mississippi town had the means by which to recycle anything except for glass. It's really amazing how much one can save from going into landfills by recycling things like the cardboard boxes beer comes in.

It helped my town because they sold it off to industry for reuse, but it was just a great feeling. Every couple weeks I could count on feeling good by taking the bin down to the recycling center. I wish more people would take advantage of that sense of feeling smart by keeping an object like a tin can from going to waste.

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rrravengrrrl
Posted by: ravengrrrl on Oct 31, 2005 8:16 AM   
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I used to live in San Francisco, which recycles and resuses over 50% of their waste. I now live eastern Kern County, in the desert of SoCal. Kern Co. is also one of the poorest counties in CA and doesn't provide many services for its people. They have NO recycling out here. All the trash gets thrown into a dump which is on the slope above our town - and upstream of our aquifer, where the town pumps all its water in private and municipal wells.

I remember in the 90's working for MassPIRG and asking people to consider packaging waste when purchasing items. Where has that mentality gone? Now they're even developing disposable video cameras. Disgusting!

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whatever happened to incinerators ?
Posted by: cobrajet on Oct 31, 2005 8:56 AM   
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WHy cant we burn the garbage and use it to fule energy plants, create steam, etc...
Why bury it in the ground .. what a waste for waste.
Make people pay by the pound.. we will have it cheap then, since we receycle so much...

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ipods -- reduce or increase waste?
Posted by: HighCarbDiet on Oct 31, 2005 1:46 PM   
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people thought computers would reduce waste, but they had the opposite effect. i wonder if the same will be true for ipods. new, "upgraded" models of ipods keep coming out and people keep buying them. instead of CD & cassette packaging (most of which is easily recyclable) filling landfills will we now be discarding tons of "obsolete" ipods, which are difficult to recycle, and are more likely to contain some hazardous materials?

whether ipods will create more physical waste or not, i think they will definitely make music (art) even more "disposable" than it's already become. download a song, listen a few times, then delete into the ether...

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Opportunity
Posted by: Edward George on Oct 31, 2005 1:57 PM   
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It is hardly a secret that the biggest handicap the Democrats have is that all they have to offer is "say no to Bush." No secret that all that Clinton did was apply some intelligence to the Republican policies, "the best Republican President we ever had". No secret that Gore is the only potential presidential candidate that agrees with real people as revealed by polls. But polls don't ask about our garbage and Gore is not communicating clear exciting new sweeping perspectives goals and plans.

Garbage is the product of capitalism/corporatism, of greed-is-good pushed with the best sales pitches and con games money can buy, and never a hint at the down side. Actually we know the world is drowning in our greed residue but it's corporately hidden and we are kept too busy with the flood of new toys to think about it. Currently the only residue that is being talked about is invisible atmospheric and chemical water pollution. Solid waste garbage is much easier to understand and more emotionally disgusting. This problem is made to order as a center piece for the Democratic Party and it's tentacles cover an enormous territory. Be it solid, gaseous or liquid it's all garbage; it's all products of corporatism/capitalism and the economic wealth is a sham. Outdoor toilets were real world and now when you flush your fancy toilet that fancy hundred dollar dinner doesn't disappear into some fourth dimension.

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Atlanta
Posted by: MT512 on Oct 31, 2005 3:58 PM   
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I'm the only person in my office who gives a hoot. I commandeered some trash cans for my own little office recycling program. I told myself from day one that I wouldn't be digging through people's trash cans or trying to make them feel guilty, yet I see very little participation.

One lady was telling me at her desk how great it was that I was doing this and how she's all into recycling. In the course of talking with her for about five minutes, I watched her throw three different recyclable items into her trash can.

I think that's a big problem. People do just a little and convince themselves they're so green.

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My momma always said......
Posted by: Michiganman on Oct 31, 2005 7:49 PM   
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GARBAGE IS AS GARBAGE DOES.
Until we make garbage expensive to get rid of, Joe Citizen will continue to put it all in one pail and have it hauled away at 16.00 a month. Another consequence of huge corporate monopolies.
PS We do recycle but only because our county has a program.
PSS We've lived in other places that had no easy alternative and didn't recycle.

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merikans live in a bubble
Posted by: dadanbetty on Oct 31, 2005 9:22 PM   
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I am from the states but I do not reside there anymore. It sickens me when I witness the "massconsumerwastecultural" that goes on there around the clock. Here we are approaching the chri$tian calender year of 2006 and my brother and his wife whom reside in the Seattle area still do not recycle. Would you believe me if I told you they had a 4 year old daughter as well?

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Germany 2nd
Posted by: usmail4matt@gmx.net on Nov 1, 2005 3:58 AM   
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I really enjoyed reading this article since it points out possiblities of a new development of waste conciousness and told me some more facts. I also enjoyed the comments since they put the facts into perspective.

I'm living in Germany and therefore always did recycling (well, not before reunification of east and west).
There are some common things in our daily routine, such as the yellow bag ("Gelber Sack") that contains recycable things (plastic, industry trash etc, mainly all that stuff having a so-called green-point ("Grüner Punkt") whereby the industry is forced to pay to have the recycling refinanced before the green point can be put on the packaging, which is elementary for the most consumers). You pay for any waste, and villages often have waste tag subscriptions. Further, we have - as already told - a system for refillment with a small deposit amount. Even if one is too lazy to carry back bottles to the store to get back the deposit, someone will do that. That's why you won't find any unbroken bottle on our streets - its carried away at night by poor people not having any other revenue. This increased when this system was advanced for cans as well (you rarely find any market offering cans any more because of this system *).
Further on we recycle glass separated into colors (green, brown, white).
I don't know how all the trash is handled and whether it is not being put altogether again after separation because machines can do it more reliable than we can. In fact, we have landfills and incineration too but at a far smaller level, e.g. without compostable trash.

The main reason for such a progress in trash recycling is not the only law but the conciousness of the people.
Simply think of how many plastic bags you get when buying something from the supermarket. In Germany all Markets I know do not even give you a single bag without demanding extra money. You simply have to reuse your bags or to pay for their recycling implicitly.
I've seen that even McDonalds tries to be most efficient not producing too much trash. Everything is already-recycled paper carrying the green point, you don't get napkins by default but have to take them yourself reading the hint "only take as much napkins as you really need", etc.
This behaviour is necessary to please the german consumers.

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Germany 2nd..
Posted by: usmail4matt@gmx.net on Nov 1, 2005 3:58 AM   
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Anyways, being reminded everyday not to produce too mush trash isn't very easy to stand. It's always a compromise, but if you have such a conciousness not only with consumers which are expecting as little packaging as necessary, but in the corporation managements theirselves, you can produce even environment friendlier stuff.
We should take our responsibility for coming generations having to deal with our stuff such as rotten iPods and that kind of stuff not really necessary for life but for economy. And at that point there must be laws, since without common commandments every corporation would have economic disadvantages when behaving better than others. And that's part of governmental strategies.

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Crawford WV
Posted by: krisboose on Nov 1, 2005 5:46 AM   
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I was recently on a long 3 1/2 month road trip around the States and spent a few days in Crawford West Virginia. It's a town of 40 some people. One cannot drink the water there...I'm not sure why, but it's got a very strong smell of gas and it's a bit flameable. So, a lot of bottled water is consumed. In the 3 days I visited, a household of 3 people consumed enough water and other beverages to fill a large couple gallon trash bag. And guess what? Yep, no recycling program or anywhere that I could find to take it. I ended up hauling this trash bag away with me and giving it to a worker at a rest stop on my way to Atlanta. He was emptying recycling bins and I stopped him and yanked this huge bag out of the trunk of my car. Unreal!!

Peace,
Kris

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» RE: Crawford WV Posted by: sgtmartin1
Heather Rogers speaking in New York
Posted by: tworiddles on Nov 1, 2005 8:18 AM   
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Heads up to those in the New York area: Heather Rogers is speaking November 15 at a progressive think tank called Demos. Here's the info from their website (www.demos.org):

Garbage Economy: The US Market's Reliance on Trash

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 | 12 - 2pm

Join Demos, Green Worker Cooperatives and Journalist Heather Rogers in discussing her new book, Gone Tomorrow: The Hidden Life of Garbage. Combining a gripping exposé with a potent argument for change, Rogers' book traces the connections between modern industrial production, environmental standards, consumer culture and our throwaway lifestyle.

This event will also feature as a respondent Omar Freilla of Green Worker Cooperatives, a South Bronx-based non-profit organization working to create "green collar" jobs and worker ownership in one of the country's most polluted and economically depressed neighborhoods.

Register online or call 212/633-1405 x533

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Thanks for this article.
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Nov 5, 2005 9:29 PM   
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Didn't expect to be reading about garbage this evening, but I found it really interesting.

I kept thinking about a favorite book while reading this article and wanted to share.

Nick Shay, the central character in Don Delillo's Underworld, is a waste management man and the landfills he deals with become a metaphor for the decades covered by the book.

Way off topic, but recommended highly.

New on EWM: “Operation Choke the Chicken”
DHS won’t be caught with its pants down by Avian Flu

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Paper (and non-corrugated cardboard) Garbage
Posted by: Spiffster on Nov 19, 2005 7:26 PM   
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I live in a rural town that doesn't recycle paper. We compost what we can, but there is also colored and cardboard waste. Is it better to burn it or landfill it?

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