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Comparing Extremists

By Matthew Yglesias, The American Prospect. Posted October 27, 2005.


When it comes to the Human Life Amendment, conventional wisdom is dead wrong.

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Democrats, you could argue, lose elections because they're in thrall to the extremist views of their base, especially on social issues. Take abortion: Many Democrats think that, if a pregnant teenager is considering an abortion, that should be up to her rather than to her parents. This is unpopular in some segments of the electorate. Republicans, by contrast, take the "mainstream" view that Roe v. Wade was an act of judicial overreaching and that controversial questions about abortion should be handled by the states.

Except for some Republicans.

Those Republicans believe in the Human Life Amendment, which would grant fetuses and embryos the legal status of people. Since no such amendment has passed, we can't be sure what the consequences would be. But if fetuses are people, entitled to treatment under the 14th Amendment's "equal protection" clause, then letting people have abortions would clearly be unacceptable. The procedure would need to be banned. And not just banned, but punished the way any other killing of a person would be: as murder. Perhaps the women or doctors (or both) involved would be subjected to the death penalty. Equal protection, after all.

Stem cell research, meanwhile, would be a thing of the past. Current controversies center on the question of federal funding. But if embryos are people, then the research itself must be banned. And who knows what would happen to in-vitro fertilization?

So there are extremists on both sides, then, but there's still a difference. Liberals demand total obeisance to the orthodoxy. Sure, Harry Reid is pro-life. And, to be sure, he's minority leader of the Senate and therefore the senior politician in the Democratic Party, but conventional wisdom says otherwise, so we can just ignore this. Human Life Amendment-supporting conservatives, on the other hand, are kept quietly in the closet. They get trivial jobs like White House Counsel where their responsibilities include advising the president on questions of constitutional law. And, of course, the current White House Counsel was just nominated to be an associate justice on the Supreme Court.

On the other hand, when you consider that conservative discontent overwhelmingly focuses on the worry that Harriet Miers might not be conservative enough you may begin to guess that things have gone awry. This business about embryos being people also pops up in such obscure contexts as the Republican Party platform which states "we support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment's protections apply to unborn children." Who knew?

I was doing some reading on the Internet last week and found an article which said abortion was bad because its legality "hamper[s] courtship and marriage." Marriage, as you know, is important to conservatives. Liberals want to ruin it by letting gays and lesbians get in on the action, which is extreme and unpopular. Conservatives want to strengthen marriage, and banning abortion is part of that. According to the same article "effective female contraception," "the changing educational and occupational status of women," and the destigmatization of divorce are also to blame. We've got to change that stuff. Men, the article says, are bound to "avidly [seek] sexual pleasure prior to and outside of marriage" but we need to return to a time when one distinguished "between women one fooled around with and women one married, between a woman of easy virtue and a woman of virtue simply."

The author of the piece is one Leon Kass, and sits on the President's Council on Bioethics. It appeared in Boundless, a webzine you probably haven't heard of, but that's published by Focus on the Family and targeted at college students. Focus on the Family is a multi-million dollar enterprise run by James Dobson, an influential evangelical leader who just happens to be a key source of support for the Miers nomination.

Some would say this goes to show that some pretty influential people on the right have some pretty extreme views. But with the conventional wisdom saying otherwise, who am I to disagree?

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Matthew Yglesias is a Prospect staff writer. Copyright 2005 by The American Prospect, Inc. This article may not be resold, reprinted, or redistributed for compensation of any kind without prior written permission from the author. Direct questions about permissions to permissions@prospect.org.

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Posted by: esactun on Oct 27, 2005 12:49 PM   
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Ah yes, the GOP, the party of bigotry. Whether you're black, poor, female, gay, or *shudder* all four, you're considered unfit to live.

The GOP agenda is quite frankly uncivilized, undemocratic, unChristian and unAmerican. These are the people who used to be hidden under rocks to prevent just the sort of national embarassment we've suffered before the world for 5 years now. Is this country really so full of such sheeplike idiots that noone sees this? It's plainly read between the lines of our sanitized media.

Funny how Dems are called 'extreme' for taking simply sensible positions. Another indication of how truth and reality are no considered "liberal bias".

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I Suppose I Might Be Considered Extremist, But...
Posted by: Jayzer on Oct 27, 2005 1:02 PM   
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I suppose I might be considered extremist for saying this, but I believe in the right to total sexual freedom, in the sense that between consenting adults, anything that does not involve intentional harm is alright. This also means that marriage and childbearing should be considered optional and even that one should be allowed to have and raise children within or outside marriage ("wedlock," as the common expression, goes, indeed) as it suits the people involved, with one proviso: that they understand what's involved both in terms of their own personal responsibilties and what attitudes they are likely to encounter.

I also believe in the right to abortion on demand, regardless of the reasons. I believe that it's the right of the woman (or teenage girl, if that's the case) to decide whether or not to have children-----not the State's, not her parents, and if she so chooses, not her mate's decision---her own.

By the same token, I also believe in one's right to marry in church or not; to obey religious laws if one is a follower of a certain religion. Once again, it is not the place of the State to mandate whose reproductive ethics are to be followed.

However, I do believe that the State can serve as arbiter in cases where child custody is involved and to enforce humane standards of child care and education.

Now all of the above may make me seem to be an extremist from the opposite end of the spectrum----as opposed to the anti-choice loudmouthed conservatives, but I can live with that.

The abortion debate and the gay marriage controversies are two elements that expose the hypocrisy of the Right Wing in this country, who are wildly enthusiastic about unshackling the corporate world from regulation under the banner of "free enterprise," but equally enthusiastic about controlling the sexual activities of others in the name of "traditional morality."

If I and others like me pose a problem to their sense of total control, it's mainly because we question the validity of their claim to knowledge. That is---what makes them think they know so much?

Again, if that makes me an extremist----I can live with that. Even if it makes the extremists on the other end of the spectrum choke.

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Educated and intelligent
Posted by: Maryanne on Oct 27, 2005 2:44 PM   
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As a person who has always had self awareness and knew what I wanted from life, I resent anyone- ANYONE- who feels that they know better than I what is right for me, and limits my choices. NO ONE has better qualifications than I to make my decisions.

And this goes for all women. We are all persons in our own right and are and should be free to make our own decisions, our own mistakes, and achieve our own potential. No lawmaker has that right over us!

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A "person" is a strictly legal category, like private property.
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 27, 2005 9:00 PM   
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And in the case of corporations it is both of those at the same time. Private property is a 'person' if it has corporation papers.

And we know, from US history, that laws can declare human beings to be 3/5ths of a person, if they happened at that time to have been of African heritage.

I have never examined that peculiar wrinkle in law-making. Just don't be surprised when the supporters of the Human Life Amendment begin to bargain. "OK. How about a fetus is worth 4/5ths? Anybody for 2/5ths? 1/5th? Going, going, gone."

I am 'pro-choice' but with a worried mind. Yes, the destruction of a fetus is of the utmost seriousness. However, so is the creation of it. So why is it that the commercialization of human beings as sex objects when promoting sales (just look at the magazines at the supermarket checkout counter) which could care less about creating a fetus, suddenly gets all holier-than-thou when that turns out to be a 'mistake'?

Hypocrisy, you say. But abortion is the bigger sin? Do tell.

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Hahahaha!
Posted by: Allison on Oct 28, 2005 6:38 AM   
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I think I found the article you quote. It also contains such gems as:

"For it is a woman's refusal of sexual importunings, coupled with hints or promises of later gratification, that is generally a necessary condition of transforming a man's lust into love. Women also lost the capacity to discover their own genuine longings and best interests. For only by holding herself in reserve does a woman gain the distance and self-command needed to discern what and whom she truly wants and to insist that the ardent suitor measure up."

Ah yes, the old saw that women are somehow the tamers of men's wild beasts, that they civilize us. Heaven forbid that I might actually love a woman that I am I sleeping with, but choose not to marry. Heaven forbid that she might wish for the same arrangement. Oh, but wait...

"For the first time in human history, mature women by the tens of thousands live the entire decade of their twenties — their most fertile years — neither in the homes of their fathers nor in the homes of their husbands; unprotected, lonely, and out of sync with their inborn nature."

Man, this guy is F*CKED. That's prime Taliban shit right there, boys and girls. Not only are women not allowed to be their own sexual agents, they aren't even "in sync" unless they're living with a man's protection!

Ladies, if you ever meet a "Leon R. Kass", professor at the university of Chicago, it appears you're justified in giving him a swift kick in the balls.

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The hell with social programs
Posted by: Poe on Oct 28, 2005 8:32 AM   
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If you want to be an extremist, go ahead.
If you want the government to butt out of your personal life....I can live with that. I agree to some extent.

But then let's get rid of all the useless social programs that are supposed to help single mothers raise their children. The taxpayers are the government....and as a taxpayer, I don't want to help anyone pay for their diapers....formulas....clothing....their heat bill....half their rent..or anything else.

A reproductive choice should made prior to sex....it should be the decision of two people....and if the choice is unprotected sex...so be it. But live with that decision yourself.....and don't blame government or anybody else with the repercussions.

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