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Welcome to Faith-Based America

By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real. Posted October 22, 2005.


Why not just streamline hiring at federally funded faith-based organizations by requiring that everyone's religious affiliation be tattooed on their arms?
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As part of President Bush's "faith-based initiative," US taxpayers gave the Salvation Army's children services division $47 million this year -- 95% of its total budget. Several Salvation Army employees refused to take the Salvation Army's pledge "proclaiming Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord," reveal which church they belong to or identify gay co-workers -- and were summarily fired.

Let's parse this event out. The money came from American taxpayers, many of whom are not Christians. Nevertheless the workers were fired for refusing to pledge allegiance to the Christian prophet. They were also fired for failing to disclose their own religious affiliations, if any. And finally, they were fired for refusing to rat out their co-workers.

Sounds like something that would happen in Communist China, doesn't it? And, if it had happened in China, and it was Christians getting fired, you can bet your sweet bippy the Bush administration and America's Christian right would be screaming bloody murder about it.

But not this time. They even found a judge to back them on it.

Bush's big victory came Sept. 30 in New York, where a federal judge threw out most elements of a religious discrimination lawsuit against the Salvation Army. Eighteen employees claimed they were fired or demoted because they refused to pledge support to the Salvation Army's mission of "proclaiming Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord," disclose what church they attended or name gay co-workers.

U.S. District Judge Sidney H. Stein noted that all the plaintiffs worked for a children's services division of the Salvation Army that gets 95 percent of its $50 million budget from government grants. But the judge's 48-page opinion upheld the principle that a religious group can hire and fire employees on the basis of their religious beliefs and practices, even if their salaries come from taxpayer funds. That principle is at the heart of the Bush administration's policy. (Full Story)

Since the federal money the Salvation Army received represents nearly 100% of that division's total budget, it's a de facto federally funded program. So, are these the new HR rules for faith-based federally funded programs? Rat out gays on the payroll, or be fired. Pledge allegiance to the favored religion or superstition de jour, or be fired. Answer the question, "Are you now, or have you ever been, an atheist?" or be fired.

Why not just streamline hiring at federally funded faith-based organizations by requiring that everyone's religious affiliation be tattooed on their arms? Worked for the Germans.

Meanwhile in the American theocratic state of Utah, the ACLU has locked horns with the Mormon Church over freedom of speech and dress in a Salt Lake City downtown park. A federal appeals court Monday validated Salt Lake City's controversial sale of its Main Street Plaza park to the LDS Church, which promptly turned the former section of historic Main Street into a LDS religious park.


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Stephen Pizzo is the author of numerous books, including "Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans," which was nominated for a Pulitzer.

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Well, it is the "salvation" army...
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 22, 2005 12:19 AM   
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Well, it is the "salvation" army. They are a christian-based organization. They make pledges to God in the YMCA too, but guess what? That's the YMCA, it's a christian organization. No surprises there either. What IS surprising is that non-Christians would want to donate to Christian groups.

How do they know the religious affiliation of the people who've donated? I bet they don't ask.

Also, many Christians believe that getting a tatoo is a sin. That's because they say your body (the body of a christian)is a living sanctuary, and it is a sin to alter or defile it. (Just playing Jesus' advocate)

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» Nevermind, I get it. Posted by: nitsua1023
» Efficient investment Posted by: Logic's Edge
» But that's not the point! Posted by: russianblue1
» RE: fficient investment Posted by: joshua
joe hill and the sally ann
Posted by: Jack Shultz on Oct 22, 2005 1:19 AM   
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Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:
CHORUS:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.
The starvation army they play,
They sing and they clap and they pray
'Till they get all your coin on the drum
Then they'll tell you when you're on the bum:
Holy Rollers and jumpers come out,
They holler, they jump and they shout.
Give your money to Jesus they say,
He will cure all diseases today.
If you fight hard for children and wife --
Try to get something good in this life --
You're a sinner and bad man, they tell,
When you die you will sure go to hell.

Workingmen of all countries, unite,
Side by side we for freedom will fight;
When the world and its wealth we have gained
To the grafters we'll sing this refrain:


FINAL CHORUS:
You will eat, bye and bye,
When you've learned how to cook and to fry.
Chop some wood, 'twill do you good,
And you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye.

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United States of Amnesia
Posted by: Michiganman on Oct 22, 2005 7:13 AM   
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I find it incredible that once again the federal government is ignoring history.
My family came to this country in 1553 to ESCAPE religious persecution in France (huegonots). The government sponsored catholicism as the official religion and tortured and disowned as non-citizens anyone who followed any other religion (protestant).
We must have seperation of church and state. By their actions the feds are promoting it. Taxpayer money to faith based charities is (or should be) completely unconstitutional!
Our founding fathers did not lose their memory concerning this fact, they must be rolling in their graves.
Prohibition is another forgoten memory but that's another story......

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Private property and religion
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 22, 2005 8:05 AM   
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I'll bet it won't be long before the rightwing religious lunatics get into the habit of bulldozing people's homes just to set up their business shops to get local residents and outside tourists to donate indirectly by buying all their crappy merchandise.

The Salvation Army is a major ripoff as it is when it comes to donations as they overcharge on everything. And they can forget car donations as I'd have no trouble selling it if I wanted to.

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Nothing New
Posted by: loony on Oct 22, 2005 8:51 AM   
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A description of the Salvation Army in London, 1902, can be found in Chapter XI (The Peg) of "The People of the Abyss" by Jack London.

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Pay-Offs to Slick Evangelists for Their Support…..
Posted by: CatDad on Oct 22, 2005 1:25 PM   
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“Faith-based” is just one of those Orwellian catch-phrases coined by the soon to be indicted Karl Rove. All this amounts to is a transfer of billions of taxpayer dollars to church-based groups for alleged charitable activity. This money does not need to be accounted for once it gets to the church. The fruition of such a system (along with the downsized government) was on full display in the botched Katrina response.

Bottom line: This is a political effort largely targeting largely Black mega-church ministers to gain, if not their overt support, then at least their silence while TeamBush supports polices that will wreak economic havoc in the lives of its members. Black evangelical church goers were a major group the Right was trying to cultivate, and they had some success in the last election…in large part playing off the homophobia which is more widespread in the black community. The botched response for saving blacks in New Orleans has had one joyful consequence…it has ruined every bit of progress the Right has made in this subgroup.

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» Excellent quote Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: xcellent quote Posted by: Doubtom
Yes, "faith-based" is egregious and will be corrected -- eventually.
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 22, 2005 2:54 PM   
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However, what Bush is doing with taxpayer money is a drop in the bucket compared with property taxes lost because organized religion is tax exempt.

Yeah, direct government handouts to organized religion hasn't happened (much) since disestablishment in Massachusetts (the last state to end such practices) in the early 1800s.

Try to imagine how much church property, tax free, has increased in value since then. (Numbs my pea-brain.) There we're talking some real bucks.

So, get excited if you want to over Bush using loopholes to fulfill his promise, with a few gestures here and there. But gimme a break. Compared to the rule of law, his changes are about as much a threat as Jack Horner "who put in his thumb" (history says, he carried Henry VIII's orders to 'nationalize' church properties, using them to toss the RC clergy out into the gutter, while Horner made himself the rightful owner of some choice locations).

Well as it turns out, organized religion was able to recover. And I expect separation of church and state here will also recover. Yes, take it to court. But put away your pruning hooks, village folks, and blow out the torches -- Karl Rovenstein's monster has no brain after all.

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In the meantime, go to Freerepublic.com
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 22, 2005 5:37 PM   
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I would encourage everyone with an AlterNet account to also have a freerepublic account. It is so fulfilling. I encourage everyone to go over to their website and get kicked out, it took me about six days. The funniest thing about that website is that they actually pride themselves in chasing off anyone with a differing viewpoint. The last thing they want is debate. If you are identified as being liberal at all, they cancel your account and "ZOT" you. They are so happy and proud every time they "chase off" a liberal. Of course if you get kicked off, you just sign up for different email address, then go back and re-register. They are a hard bunch of folks to discuss issues with, but if we ALL start signing up, and pummeling them with relevant facts and links, we can get through to them, maybe.
At least we won't be preaching to the choir, or wait, maybe we will be?

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» on tolerance Posted by: beetruetoyou
stop supporting the feds and they'll stop abusing you
Posted by: rtdrury on Oct 22, 2005 6:29 PM   
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If you fight the rise of the Christian right for influence over federal spending then you support the ornery fight itself. That fight is a waste of energy. Instead, you might find ways to minimize your contributions to the federal treasury. You can plant heirloom food-bearing trees in your yard and work at home instead of commuting. You can eliminate your mortgage, stay out of debt and make your car last for twenty years by not driving it so much. And you can conserve energy, and maybe buy a windmill or a solar-thermal cogeneration system. And support your local entrepreneurs and craftsmen. Take the power back from Washington. Stop letting them make your choices for you. It's a question of who's going to grovel at who's feet. I think you want the feds groveling at your feet instead of vice-versa. That's how you reform them, and it's the same for the corporations, and all power concentrations - you make beggars out of them.

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» Good points, plus one more idea... Posted by: GreenLibbie
Great article ruined by a low blow
Posted by: Sunfell on Oct 22, 2005 7:18 PM   
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Sigh... how the heck are we going to ever find a way to rally the moderate Christians if witers like Pizzo keep peppering their articles with unnecessary insults to the leaders of these various faiths?

"All this from a church founded by a guy, Joseph Smith, who, if he lived today would be fitted for a straitjacket and put on a mega-dose of anti-psychotic drugs."

Shame. Where was the editor? I would have whacked that sentence!

It doesn't matter how solid a case you make about your point- all the believers are going to see is the potshot at their Pope, their Founder, their Beloved Leader, etc. And that insult will be all they will remember about the article.

Sometimes the high road means keeping such outbursts to yourself. Perhaps this is the negative side of blogdom intermingling with journalism- a good article decays into an opinionated rant.

If we're going to fight the onslaught of religion- any religion- disguised as government funded mandates, we're going to have to step carefully and avoid blowing ourselves up with our own words.

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» Potshots at the leaders Posted by: BlueTigress
when did
Posted by: poco on Oct 22, 2005 9:30 PM   
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when did the religions righties ever watch their cruel language usage??

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» Stupid conservatives Posted by: ssegallmd
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» RE: Stupid conservatives Posted by: Doubtom
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» RE: Stupid conservatives Posted by: Doubtom
» Crusty conservative Posted by: Michiganman
Religion only works if...
Posted by: nicoandcasey on Oct 23, 2005 1:44 AM   
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Religion only works if you stiffle logical thought and free speech. How else can one sell a fairy tale as truth? Religion always claims persecution but they are the ones that persecute. Believe what you want but keep it to yourself!

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» Try Bloom's "Book of J" Posted by: Sojourner
» Written by women Posted by: BlueTigress
» Faith and Science ... Posted by: AdamSelene11726
More bad news. Looks like the NRA too got its wish in exploiting Hurricane Katrina
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 23, 2005 8:19 AM   
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fear god and give me money
Posted by: LG on Oct 23, 2005 3:41 PM   
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it's sad that religion could be perverted and prostituted so easily. the pastors that have gone to the mountain to worship at the hoof of the bushy cow should be slapped across the mouth for all of the evil which they condone in the name of god. they fit right in with bushy; money worship, elitism(we're saved you're not). the church and religion are all man made so what do you expect from idol worshippers

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I'm scared to death
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 24, 2005 4:29 AM   
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It's time to hit the panic button. Our government has been taken over by two factions that have no conflict. The religious right has the prayer in schools, ten commandments, evolution agenda. This is all important to them. They don't care if they are robbed blind by the Republicans as long as these issues are paid lip service. The rich don't care about the religious issues as long as the Republicans rob the rest of us for them.
Don't expect that the scandals will have any effect on the next election. The rich don't care. The religious right will swallow the "few bad apples" line and support the party. The only way that I can see out of this mess is to convince the people that don't usually vote that we need them.

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FIRE YOUR ZEALOTS
Posted by: ssegallmd on Oct 24, 2005 4:46 AM   
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This sword cuts two ways.

I have one employee who has a Jesus fish on her car and another who reads the Bible on his lunch hour, and I don't approve of either of them because of it. But until now, I have tolerated them because it was the right thing to do and it was the law. But not any longer.

Unlike the Salvation Army, I will give them each a chance to save their jobs by asking them what they think about this ruling. Anyone who say's it is unfair can stay. Anyone who thinks that the Salvation Army should be free to discriminate against its employees will be fed to the unemployment lions. Merry Christmas!

Also, I think it's time to begin to expect employees to rat out other employees who go to church. They're not consistent with 'our' (read 'my') philosophy at the office. Shouldn't we have the same right to remain as ideologically pure as the Slave-nation Army?

These zealots are so near-sighted that they don't understand that religious intolerance can affect them too. Idiots. (See the post "stupid conservatives" above).

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Better than tattoos
Posted by: Dylan F. on Oct 24, 2005 5:07 AM   
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Why not just make all non-Christians wear a yellow star on their clothing?

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» RE: Better than tattoos Posted by: Velos
Bless the Sally Annes ...
Posted by: AdamSelene11726 on Oct 24, 2005 7:30 AM   
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First understand: The Salvation Army is a church ... the Salvationist Church. The Sergeants and Officers are ordained protestant ministers. (I have no idea of the status of the uniformed muscians.)

The S.A.'s organizationional chart is a Byzantine labryinth ... it's a Church, it's a Credit Union, it's an Insurance Company it's a Social Services Agency ... it's a Government Program ... and much much more .

And (like the Boy Scouts of America) it's a Sacred Cow.

It has been a very long time since I have had the pleasure of staying at a Salvation Army Men's Shelter ... yet there was a time when I did in fact do so.

I can imagine circumstances when I would do so again ... but they all begin "it was a dark and stormy night ." Make that a SNOWSTORMY night -- and the County Jail was full up.

In his 1929 book "Down and Out in Paris and London" George Orwell devoted a couple of chapters to his experiences with the Sallys. My own in 1964 and 1971 weren't different enough that there'd be any point in reading mine instead of his ... he writes better and the major plot points are much the same.

Long story short ... the Croyeden House across the street was equally clean, and charged 1/3 more for a private cubicle with a lock box ... as opposed to the SA's open plan barracks ...

Most importantly, at the commerical flop house, noone felt free to flop his uniformed backside down on "my" bunk without so much as a by your leave, and start bible reading in my general direction ...

I believe Orwell came up with the crack: "Christian Charity... as cold, thin and sour as the soup"

That much had changed. The soup was really quite warm.

But for making "a guy down on his luck" feel like a down and out BUM ... commend me to those Salvationists every time.

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» RE: Bless the Sally Annes ... Posted by: Basenjis
Big Brother is watching you...
Posted by: nise52 on Oct 24, 2005 7:41 AM   
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Hitler promised a "return" to the faith-based Germany too. We all know what followed. Go read George Orwell's book 1984.

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Re: Comment on Joseph Smith
Posted by: bambic on Oct 24, 2005 9:31 AM   
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Hold on, you guys...I happened to think that:1) he's probably right, and 2) he made me laugh. We need a good chuckle now and then, no?
My Mormon neighbor recently told me that women are not allowed to wear sleeveless dresses or blouses...come on.
Give them the right to bare arms.

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mormonism
Posted by: Doubtom on Oct 24, 2005 11:25 AM   
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Religions exist to control people. Mormons are only taking it a step further to control what people say. It's a natural progression. Get use to it!

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Salvation Army & Mormons
Posted by: BlueTigress on Oct 25, 2005 9:32 AM   
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The biggest problem with the Mormons is that Utah was set up by them for them. Setting aside that Salt Lake City was 50%+ Catholic in the '90's (my younger sister went to Utah State), they still think its all about them.

I thought the law said that if a religious agency took Federal money they had to agree to follow Federal EEOC laws, or has this been set aside in these United States of Jesus?

I agree. The red kettles will not get one dime from me this year. The bell ringers will get my smiles only.

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robflam
Posted by: robflam on Oct 26, 2005 7:08 AM   
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No body wants to accept the fact that Jesus was a Jewish Liberal and would have major issues with Christian fates as many practice it today

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