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Leave the Dopers Alone

By Norm Stamper, AlterNet. Posted October 20, 2005.


A former police chief espouses his controversial views on drug laws -- namely, that we shouldn't have any.

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Sometimes people in law enforcement will hear it whispered that I'm a former cop who favors decriminalization of marijuana laws, and they'll approach me the way they might a traitor or snitch. So let me set the record straight.

Yes, I was a cop for 34 years, the last six of which I spent as chief of Seattle's police department.

But no, I don't favor decriminalization. I favor legalization, and not just of pot but of all drugs, including heroin, cocaine, meth, psychotropics, mushrooms and LSD.

Decriminalization, as my colleagues in the drug reform movement hasten to inform me, takes the crime out of using drugs but continues to classify possession and use as a public offense, punishable by fines.

I've never understood why adults shouldn't enjoy the same right to use verboten drugs as they have to suck on a Marlboro or knock back a scotch and water.

Prohibition of alcohol fell flat on its face. The prohibition of other drugs rests on an equally wobbly foundation. Not until we choose to frame responsible drug use -- not an oxymoron in my dictionary -- as a civil liberty will we be able to recognize the abuse of drugs, including alcohol, for what it is: a medical, not a criminal, matter.

As a cop, I bore witness to the multiple lunacies of the "war on drugs." Lasting far longer than any other of our national conflicts, the drug war has been prosecuted with equal vigor by Republican and Democratic administrations, with one president after another -- Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush -- delivering sanctimonious sermons, squandering vast sums of taxpayer money and cheerleading law enforcers from the safety of the sidelines.

It's not a stretch to conclude that our draconian approach to drug use is the most injurious domestic policy since slavery. Want to cut back on prison overcrowding and save a bundle on the construction of new facilities? Open the doors, let the nonviolent drug offenders go.

The huge increases in federal and state prison populations during the 1980s and '90s (from 139 per 100,000 residents in 1980 to 482 per 100,000 in 2003) were mainly for drug convictions. In 1980, 580,900 Americans were arrested on drug charges. By 2003, that figure had ballooned to 1,678,200. We're making more arrests for drug offenses than for murder, manslaughter, forcible rape and aggravated assault combined. Feel safer?

I've witnessed the devastating effects of open-air drug markets in residential neighborhoods: children recruited as runners, mules and lookouts; drug dealers and innocent citizens shot dead in firefights between rival traffickers bent on protecting or expanding their markets; dedicated narcotics officers tortured and killed in the line of duty; prisons filled with nonviolent drug offenders; and drug-related foreign policies that foster political instability, wreak health and environmental disasters, and make life even tougher for indigenous subsistence farmers in places such as Latin America and Afghanistan. All because we like our drugs -- and can't have them without breaking the law.

As an illicit commodity, drugs cost and generate extravagant sums of (laundered, untaxed) money, a powerful magnet for character-challenged police officers.

Although small in numbers of offenders, there isn't a major police force -- the Los Angeles Police Department included -- that has escaped the problem: cops, sworn to uphold the law, seizing and converting drugs to their own use, planting dope on suspects, robbing and extorting pushers, taking up dealing themselves, intimidating or murdering witnesses.

In declaring a war on drugs, we've declared war on our fellow citizens. War requires "hostiles" -- enemies we can demonize, fear and loathe. This unfortunate categorization of millions of our citizens justifies treating them as dope fiends, evil-doers, less than human. That grants political license to ban the exchange or purchase of clean needles or to withhold methadone from heroin addicts motivated to kick the addiction.


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Norm Stamper was chief of the Seattle Police Department from 1994 - 2000. He is the author of 'Breaking Rank.'

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Drug Abuse
Posted by: jeff on Oct 20, 2005 1:16 AM   
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I've always thought that there's a huge difference between drug use and drug abuse – I should know because I've ingested a lot of shit in my time.

I'm in a steady relationship, have a well paid job (which I worked hard for), try not to step on other people's toes, and basically enjoy life.

People will always take drugs – it's enjoyable – and I'm sick of these people who advocate against them, when they've not even dropped a pill or smoked a bong in their life.

Admittedly, it's risky, but life is too fucking short. They're not for everyone, and I'm not saying you should take them in order to justify my own usage, but it's really my choice and, ultimately, my responsibility.

I'm not an addict and do realise that some day I will move past this stage of my life. Drug use and not drug abuse.

I'm with the cop. Spliff, anyone?

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All Needlessly illegal plants.
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 20, 2005 1:17 AM   
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Cannabis is only one needlessly illegal plant. I hear all the time things like "Well sure, pot is safe it is a plant, what about coke or meth? Why legalize everything?"
Illegal drugs come from plants, generally. Coke, H, and marijuana. Their refined, back-markey by-products tend to be very dangerous, but the plants themselves are not even remotely. One company has access exclusive to all the coca in the world. Only Coca-cola can legally purchase and sell coca leaf anywhere in the world. No, they don't put it in their soft drink, not anymore. They sell it all to American pharmaceutical companies who jack up the price and sell it to our grandparents at prices which break them. What about meth? Like many drugs meth affects the dopamine receptors, same as coke. Wouldn't most users, given the choice, choose a much safer, more natural, vastly cheaper source? Plants are essentially free. ALL of the illegal plants are the ones with the most medicinal properties. By knowing how to incorporate these ingedients into a patients diet, we can encourage nutrition, not pharmaceutical addiction. Sure medicines work, but there are safer and cheaper first lines of defense.


Posted from Online Wiki Encyclopedia:

The coca leaf:
For thousands of years and still today, South American indigenous peoples have chewed the coca leaf (Erythroxylon coca), a plant which contains vital nutrients as well as numerous alkaloids including cocaine. The leaf was and is chewed almost universally by some indigenous communities, but there is no evidence that its habitual use ever led to any of the negative consequences generally associated with habitual cocaine use today. It is an important source of nutrition and energy in a region that is lacking in other food sources and oxygen; the vitamins and protein present in the leaves, as well as the cocaine alkaloid, helps provide the energy and strength necessary for steep walks in this mountainous area and days without eating.

The coca plant, Erythroxylon coca.
When the Spaniards conquered South America, they at first ignored Aboriginal claims that the leaf gave them strength and energy, and declared the practice of chewing it the work of the Devil. But after discovering that these claims were true, they legalized and taxed the leaf, taking 10% of the value of each crop. These taxes were for a time the main source of support for the Roman Catholic Church in the region.

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REGULATED LEGALIZATION - ONLY WAY TO GO!
Posted by: Ullern on Oct 20, 2005 2:05 AM   
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Well spoken, Norm. Thanks. May that be the norm.

The solution really is as simple as that: REGULATED LEGALIZATION of all psychoactives - not only the vast number of psychoactives deemed 'pharmaceuticals'.

Looking to the Dutch experience with Regulated Legalization (in practice) since 1976, and later other countries (Spain 1984, Belgium 2003, etc.), legalization doesn't increase drug-use. While the use there is becomes more responsible, just like Norm Stamper predicts.

Norm Stamper doesn't mention the power-mongering which benefits from the arbitrary drug-bans. Maybe that's just as well. But in fighting the contra-sensical drug-bans on the factual level, which I whole-heartedly support, one must also be aware of the power-wielding / thought-controlling side of the issue. If for nothing else, to understand how such wild banning-practices can prevail: many societal structures and individuals benefit from the drug-bans. The new prison-industry, to mention one.

Leaders controlling the masses is a scary subject, full of denials and self-deceits, but nonetheless real.

Cast a thought to all the ideas & initiatives originated from only Cannabis-use, that are blocked from entering the public sphere because they contain references to illegal activities (smoking dope). Not to be mentioned in good, responsible company. Like in a major daily news-outlet.

How unlikely it is to hear of e.g Steve Jobs saying: "Well, you know, my major ideas for the Apple Computer originated with my LSD-use." Yet that is what happened. And he's not ashamed to mention it. But the media is ashamed - or suppressed by the dictatorship of 'good taste' - to quote it. Lucky Jobs didn't internally suppress his ideas, like so many others do with great ideas, only because the idea-source is illegal. Think on it.

We must be aware of this thought-control aspect, even while fighting the drug-bans on factual and penetrating levels. Like Norm does. I trust Norm Stamper has this awareness.

Ole Ullern

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Great Idea But...
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 20, 2005 3:27 AM   
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It would never work in the USA because of two reasons:
1)It makes too much sense. We never do anything here that makes sense.

2)Look at all the property seized in drug busts that wouldn't be in the possession of local law enforcement impounds for resale.

I'd love to see this happen. I just can't believe that it would ever happen here.

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» RE: Great Idea But... Posted by: nitsua1023
agitator church and state
Posted by: eileenflmng on Oct 20, 2005 6:01 AM   
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The universal definition of insanity is to persist in the same behavior expecting a different result.

The 'War on Drugs' is an example of above.
Where ever there is a demand there will be suppliers.

We all want to get back into The Garden.
Certain chemicals open 'windows' in our brains while stimulating pleasure receptors and some even experience the illusion of the Presence of 'The Other'

Indigenous cultures use organic seed bearing plants, cactus, mushrooms, etc. as part of their religous ceremonies.
Shamans 'admisinster' these substances ONLY as part of a religous ceremony and these cultures have no drug abuse.

Another Public Service Message from WAWA:
www.wearewideawake.org

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When will good sense and not greed prevail?
Posted by: navistic50 on Oct 20, 2005 6:06 AM   
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I have been seeing this attitude grow here in America for some time now, the legalization of street drugs. It makes perfect sense to legalize them for more pro reasons than con.

Unfortunately, common sense and good judgement have no place in American business interests already invested heavily in the "anti'drug" business. These include law enforcement, penal facilities, drug testing companies to name some of the big players. I'll also include the alcohol lobbyists who push their "brand" all over the airwaves and other places.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the reasons legalization has not already occured, or even started moving in that direction is greed and fear. Greed uses the fear of "drug addicts" and other out-of-control senarios to frighten people into thinking that drugs are bad and alcohol is good. Hell, alcohol is a drug too. In fact the oldest known drug.

We live in a country riddled with hipocracy and lies, bad information and powerful new sources to distort the facts.

Through lobbyists working the beltway in Washington to the brewers in St. Louis the goal is the same.. alcohol is ok and everything else is not. Well, it seems odd to me that the majority of crimes commited in this country are directly traced back to alcohol more than any other drug.

I have no intention of ever apologizing if I decide to get high in my house. Quite frankly, "It's not anybody's damn business"!

As far as not promoting drug use in minors and the other connecting crimes that currently go along with drug selling or use, I agree. We have enough "habits" in this country now.

It occurs to me though that the two biggest problems we face in regards to this issue these days though is the fact that 1. most Americans are uninformed and uneducated in depth of this problem and all of the real problems this issue creates when there was never any need for this type of prohibition to begin with and 2. They are either too lazy to care or brainwashed to do anything about it.

Either way, this "war on drugs" as much as any other issue in recent years has polarized the country into warring camps. To quote a line from the movie "Traffic" uttered by Michael Douglas when dealing with his daughters drug use is so true to this issue. He stated that, "The war on drugs is the only war he knew of that turned families against each other". So true

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Bravo!
Posted by: ggmurray on Oct 20, 2005 6:10 AM   
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Finally some sane and courageous words on drug policy. Adults can figure this out if given half a chance. Freedom includes all of this. Thank you for speaking out.

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» RE: Bravo! Posted by: cstriker
Cash Flow
Posted by: Artkansas on Oct 20, 2005 8:38 AM   
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The government needs new sources of revenue and ways to cut costs.

Should be a no brainer.

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Excellent!
Posted by: ScottP on Oct 20, 2005 9:04 AM   
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Thanks for having the courage to speak against the powerful liars.

I'll add a little anectdote to debunk the meth myth. Roll the time back to the 1970's at the Cornell University school of engineering, one of the most competitive academic environments in the world. Besides only admitting students well into the 99th percentile, at that time the school flunked almost half the entrants before 4 years were up. Methamphetamine use was very common at the end of the semester when workloads piled up and big tests hit at the same time (probably 30% used meth, dexies, no doze, or some other variation). It allowed students to pull all nighters and get the projects in on time or to read the last chapters of the textbook before the final exam. Recreational drugs were in common use, too. I knew only 2 students (out of the hundred I knew who used drugs or alcohol) who had abuse problems (leading to leaving college), both used multiple drugs, but each had a primary drug that caused the problems, one was alcohol and one was nitrous oxide.

Don't believe the hype!

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Pot Won't Make You Crazy
Posted by: harpy on Oct 20, 2005 9:22 AM   
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I'm a 53 year old grandmother and have smoked marijuana off and on since 1971, over 34 years of my life. I never missed a day's work, never shot anybody, never stole anything to support my indulgence, never beat my children, and never felt like it was a "gateway" to harder drugs. Yes, I tried them, but only after I figured out how I was lied to about marijuana. Because of my work ethic and personal responsibility, I have a personal credit rating that allows me to buy a 4,000 sq ft house and just about anything else I want, and pot didn't affect any of it. Of all the stuff I tried in the '70's, pot is the only thing that was worth my time. Pot has helped me with nausea, anxiety (I have benign familial tremor, which is genetic and causes hand tremors and increases anxiety) and pot helps me sleep like a baby. I've never smoked cigarettes and liquor only makes me fat and hungover. It's time to wake up and realize that the only people profiting from these drug laws are the prison and law enforcement business and the big drug dealers. These same people would label me a criminal and put me in jail for smoking a weed that God put on this earth. Seems they're a higher authority.

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I completely agree
Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:31 AM   
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Your points are perfectly in line with where my thinking has been for years.

What do we need to do to get more progress in this direction?

I don't see the need to create an entirely new regulatory agency. Why not just make new branches of the federal Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to take over other "drugs."

We could license growers, processers and retailers in the same way, using the same processes, offices and forms, as we now use to license wineries, breweries, bars and liquor stores.

I think all these substances could be sold in liquor stores and leave the bar situation out of it entirely. Now, all liquor licenses must be approved locally; we could continue that process for the "ungrades" of existing liquor licenses to include licenses for the sale of each drug -- pot, cocaine, heroin, meth.

We should tax all these substances along the lines we tax alcohol. Most of this money is STATE revenue, not national. Some is local. This money should be earmarked exclusively for the provision of treatment on demand and for the provision of treatment in all jails and prisons to all inmates convicted of committing a crime while drunk or high. Treatment is very difficult to access in most jails and prisons now. Waiting lists create delays of years; many inmates can never access it.

Jan VanDenBerg

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» RE: I completely agree Posted by: Chris420
The California system would be one step in the right direction
Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:32 AM   
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I think one process which would work us in this direction would be the spread of the California system of sentencing drug offenders to treatment instead of jail or prison time. If no reform but that were put into place, we would still have unreliable and possibly dangerous quality problems with drugs being sold and no tax income, but at least the prices would fall and the profit would largely disappear as reduced punishment would increase supply. This would reduce the violence.

If that reform were combined with the total repeal of the forfeiture laws, which incentivize cops to continue the "drug war" (as it enriches them), a lot of the negativity of what we are doing would disappear.

The big advantage of actually legallizing and regulating drugs would be the generation of funds to pay for all the treatment which should be available.

Until drugs are legalized, we are unlikely to see significant progress against "the urban underclass," unemployment and cultures of crime -- because those cultures are largely funded by the large profits which illegality confers on drugs.

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cvtemptor
Posted by: cvtemptor on Oct 20, 2005 9:45 AM   
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Norm
I remember you from your San Diego days. I am a retired Municipal/Superior court clerk who always thought you shot straight and still do.

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nor cal surfer
Posted by: nor cal surfer on Oct 20, 2005 9:52 AM   
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my 2 cents is that the 'folks in charge' are too afraid of a smart nation to do such a thing (allow consumption of said pyschological debriefers). just one trip on schrooms and one begins to see not only their place in the universe, but the strings attached to all the puppets we call 'government.' imagine a hundred million enlightened voters. hard to pass to pork thru after that happens. we're enslaved, mentally and physically, serving to line the pockets of the already UberRich. kinda sounds bad, i know. and most reading this already agree; i'm preaching to the converted. our folks in charge try to keep us happy tho. they toss us TV and Madison Avenue to keep us pining for bodies we can't have, lives we can't live, cars we can't afford. it's carrot that doesn't exist. it's a carrot of perception. a carrot built carefully over many decades, designed to distract from what's really at hand: our dense, headlong stumble towards death with a remote control in one hand and a bottle of booze in the other. nothing's easier to control than the TV-BoozeBuzzed. maybe a little violent from time to time, but averaging to a slothy willingness/apathy thru cognitive degradation compounded by the systematic dismantling of public education, lack of personal responsiblity reinforced by 7-11/QuikStop Religions so popular in Redstatestan, and captained by a hijacked 4th Estate. i write this as a drug user who's technically a multi-millionaire thru saavy/lucky investments in real estate and financial markets. i earn a low 6 figure income as an artist, read a shitload of books (my favorite thing to do since leaving college, where all i was shoveled was (mostly) crap written by the professor(s)). i'm here to say that drugs are, for the right personality, absolutely life-enhancing. they also show you how fucked up our leaders are, which brings me back to why i think they are illegal.

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do you want to mess up our fake economy?!
Posted by: bassman on Oct 20, 2005 10:39 AM   
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unfortunately, corporate america makes billions off of laundered drug money. the legalization of drugs would really screw up the wall street economy...those hard working investors probably wouldn't be able to wear thousand dollar suits and go to work in limosines...and who wants those poor selfless wall street power players to have their meetings around formica tables instead of those exotic wood affairs? for more info on this, check out mike ruppert...

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Kevo
Posted by: kevo on Oct 20, 2005 10:25 AM   
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I appreciate the article. It makes sense now and way back then (1980s - present). The war on Drugs is a war on fellow Americans. I purpose a new domestic policy: a War on Ignorance. I wonder, how many casualties this policy would have? -Kevo

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» War on Ignorance Posted by: nor cal surfer
Voice of Reason
Posted by: xs10shal on Oct 20, 2005 11:28 AM   
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I work within a court system, an office that looks at custody and visitation for children whose parents are divorcing. Even in this arena, the spector of drug use can be used to do untold damage, not by the "users" but by the court system. In this system too, people are asked to jump through expensive hoops not because they are dangerous to their children, but because they fit into a niche that our country has labled as dysfuntional. The systems response to allegations of drug use is more destructive to the family than the drug use itself. There are more judges who privately favor legalization than one would guess; they see the cost and damage and futility more than anyone. Oddly enough, the laws never change despite the number of people that privately support such change. Privately is the key word.. it is great to read the ex-police chiefs words because too many of us are intimidated to express our beliefs in a public forum where they have real power.

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Priorities
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 20, 2005 12:47 PM   
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Several years ago, I was out working in my flower garden when a plane flew overhead. By its flight pattern, my husband and I decided it was probably a pot plane looking for crops to report. We both laughed and gave the plane a peace sign. Interestingly, a short time later I read an article by a woman whose farm had been violated by a pot helicopter. Apparently the pilot flew the copter low enough to terrorize the domestic animals on the farm, break tree branches, and otherwise wreak havoc. My amused attitude disappeared, and I subsequently wrote a song inspired by these two incidents.

Here are the lyrics (c)LeeAnn Gallucci 1997

PRIORITIES (The Pot Plane Song)

There's a child in Harlem crying tonight;
Doesn't have enough to eat;
There's a drug war on, and the cost is high;
Let's get our priorities straight.

Refrain:
There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
Tax dollars working for you.

School's not a very nice place to be;
It's old and dusty and dim;
But we need new jails to keep us all safe;
Education doesn't pay like sin.

(Refrain)

A man kills his wife in a jealous rage;
Gets 18 months of time;
If he grew a few plants, he could get five years;
And the sentence becomes the crime.

(Refrain)

The country's gone right, but something's gone wrong;
We all pay for that greed;
Instead of health care, we get B-2s;
And a tax cut the wealthy don't need.

(Refrain)

They say welfare mothers are the cause of it all;
So the government's pulled a swiitch;
Now the loud sucking noises you hear in the air;
Is your money going back to the rich.

There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
And maybe a finger or two!
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you.

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Sinnamoine
Posted by: Sinnamoine on Oct 20, 2005 1:28 PM   
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I do not do drugs of any kind. I may have a drink once a month. However, I do believe some drugs should be made legal. I spent 16 years (hard, gritty, over-worked years) in the army, and the amount of times they make you take these urinalysis is ridiculous. True enough, you do not want someone on a two day high driving you around in a hum-V, but would you want someone that was out drinking all weekend driving you around? I believe if someone needs to smoke to relax let them. How much more is it hurting them than the person that needs to have 6 beers and a couple of shots every evening? Mind you, the military has no issues with alcohol. They actually make sure there is plenty of it to go around at every function.

I also do not agree with people being locked up in prison because they do drugs. We have people with eating disorders hurting themselves, risking their lives daily. We have people that cut themselves, drink excessively, and KICKBOX....so many different legal ways to do things to yourself that only get disapproving looks. But if you blaze....that is 5 years to life. Where is the common sense in that?

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Availabilty
Posted by: jwg on Oct 20, 2005 1:56 PM   
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"But wouldn't regulated legalization lead to more users and, more to the point, drug abusers? "

Personally I think when drugs are no longer illegal the prices will decline because the risk declines, the availabilty will also decline, along with the falacy that some drugs lead to harder drugs, however if excessive taxing takes place there will still be moonshiners. Ultimately it is a question of morality, let those that are moral take their high ground and those that are not, let them be.

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Stamper got it (mostly) right!
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Oct 20, 2005 2:20 PM   
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While I agree with Stamper that all drugs should be legalized and regulated, I think care should be taken in making distinctions between smokeable cannabis (marijuana) and industrial-grade cannabis (probably not something you'd want to smoke). Regulate the former, but remove all restrictions and regulations on the latter.

Growing hemp and manufacturing hemp-based products has the potential to revitalize local economies across the country. Regulations on industrial hemp will only hinder that process.

Can legalized and unregulated hemp help achieve energy independence? Absolutely! Help ensure food security? Bet on it! Create more jobs? No doubt about it! Clean up the environment? Yes, that, too!

As for my own place in a hemp-based economy, I'm seeking a position in marijuana quality control. Senior position preferred, but entry level okay. Can start immediately.

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The High Cost
Posted by: cispirit on Oct 20, 2005 2:23 PM   
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American drug laws and the obscene amount of money spent to enforce them, only serve as price supports for the production and sale of these proscribed substances. The cost to produce a pound of cannabis is almost nothing, but the street price of the same pound is 6 to 7 thousand dollars. An ounce of cocaine can be made for less than a dollar and draws about a thousand percent profit. The same is true for many prohibited substances. Plus because of these high costs, the street value of diverted legal pharmaceuticals such as pain medications, tranquilizers and stimulants is up to ten times their retail drugstore price. Most of the funding for the “War on Drugs” goes to buy fancy toys like helicopters and such for the various enforcement agencies, rather than what would be more effective education of those at risk and rehabilitation those ensnared in the cycle of abuse. The cost to imprison offenders runs close to $20,000 a year. With currently close to 1.7 million prisoners, we are spending annually, $340,000,000. That amount money would be much more productive if used to support a more enlightened approach. The public and the members of congress that control the subsidizing this endeavor need to be better informed in order approach the subject, rather the be guided solely by those with a special interest in maintaining the expensive funding, of the moralistic view of the ills of society, and understand the true results of this failed policy. Or continue on the path of folly.

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Hate the war. Not the warrior
Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 20, 2005 6:04 PM   
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Thanks Norm. You put your life on the line so people could sleep safe in their beds. You and your brave fellow officers of L.E.A.P. have done more than you may ever know to if not bring this obscenely expensive war to an end, at least wake up America to weigh it's options.

Now don't sharpen up yor slings and arrows quite yet! I know what I said about CRASH! (Cops Really Are Shit Heads) and RAMPART! ( Run Another Minority Past a Rigged Trial)!

My feelings haven't changed! There's more than enough cops that take their badge and gun as a licence to go out and harass the shit out of anybody they can get away with, run roughshod over civil rights, and cry piteouisly about walking the "Thin Blue Line" when caught red-handed with their hands in the cookie jar.

These guys love the drug laws!!! It gives them one more reason to rough up the (Fill in the name of unpopular fringe element or minority here)!! They love it because it gives them one more element of control!!! That's what they're all about!! CONTROL!!!

Then you run into the likes of Norm here. This man has been there and done that. He has seen the casualties on both sides! He sees the drug war as a war on fellow Americans and another one of a thousand draconian ideals dividing this country and causing it to self-destruct.

Why have Islamic terrorists not attacked again? Look at the mileage they got off the last one!! They know if they draw a little blood once in a while, then we will turn into our own worse enemies.

Officers like Norm are one in a million. They go past the sematics and actually give a damn!! We need more like him!! And maybee if more like him were given the freedom to speak out, without putting their careers at risk, then we could close the book on another misguided chapter in American History.

Don't think that just because he wore a badge and carried a gun, that he ain't one of us. If you do then you're dead wrong!! I welcome him into the strugle with a smile on my face and a song in my heart!! And I thank God for him, and pray for more like him.

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legalizing grass
Posted by: Doubtom on Oct 20, 2005 7:39 PM   
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Pssst, did you wait till the comfort of retirement before making your views known?

It would have packed more punch had you made your declaration while still in uniform. Courage aside, it's easy to take your stand when nothing is at stake. How many did you arrest that you didn't think were criminals? Being a good cop and following the law is very much like being a good soldier and following a bum order.

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» Well I live in Seattle... Posted by: nitsua1023
compelling statement, especially from a career cop
Posted by: iwokeup on Oct 23, 2005 9:32 AM   
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well said, Norm...i applaud you.

it IS a damn shame that so much effort and money have been squandered in the War On Drugs...which has turned mostly into a war on American citizens instead of what it should have been in the beginning...an effort to slow down or prevent the smuggling into the country of dangerous narcotics such as heroin...

BUT, Federal agencies being what they are, the tendency is always to manage through Statistics...how many "busts", how many convictions, etc. - "looking good on paper"...and the noble effort inevitably turned toward being a war against common, (otherwise) law-abiding citizens who use drugs recreationally. IF the Feds and States had taken all the money they've spent chasing Users around and slapping them into prisons, many far more important problems could have been addressed with that money...Social Security being properly funded, national debt being reduced or eliminated, predatory crime being effectively addressed, etc. etc. -

Ed Koch, former NYC mayor, said in an interview over 20 years ago: the "War On Drugs is over...we LOST IT..." - yet the effort and expense continues...

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What would they do with all the extra money
Posted by: Lets all eat cake on Oct 25, 2005 11:57 AM   
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I can't imagine what the goverment would come up with to siphone off all the extra money they would be realizing. I would imagine the prison population would be cut from 1/3 the half, tax revenues would begin to escalate, not to mention the $65 billion that we would devert to other programs (I'm sure). I am a non practicing alcoholic that has had my share of drugs, I have been sober now for more then 24 years and I see the social benifits to what we would realize by legalizing them. I know I wouldn't be a consumer, but I know I would see some benefits from drugs being legal.

The problem would be getting the goverment one to go against the legal drug empire that would fight it tooth and nail. The other problem would be getting the goverment to invest in the middle and low class of our great country so we could become a stronger nation, wether it be in health care or tax relief. I have seen what other nations do and I guess they have laws in place but I would wager that they don't have anything near what we have earmarked for a so called war against drugs. It just blows my mind that we as a nation are a society of instant gradification from top to bottum. I would love to see opportunities like college for kids that otherwise would never get the chance. Its called investing in our future.

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Marijuana is not rape
Posted by: ccBallagh on Oct 26, 2005 10:30 AM   
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Smoking weed is good for everyone!!! well not most ppl but the notion that weed should be liberated is among the chants heard today around college campuses, inner cities, suburbs, but not the pharma business, so its illegal!


Food for thought!!

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UR HIGHNESS
Posted by: URHIGHNESS on Nov 10, 2005 1:44 PM   
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I agree with this sherrif you should be allowed to smoke pot or any other drug for that matter the same as cigs or alchohol everything you do is ok as long as you don't over do it

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Hell YES!
Posted by: Michiganman on Dec 4, 2005 8:28 AM   
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My wife and I are upstanding responsible citizens. We smoked weed for years with no adverse results. In the last 5 years enforcement and penalties have grown to the point we had to quit. Random and suspicion testing became too big of a risk. We used to get home after a hard day at work take care of the kids and the household then burn a doobie which is an excellent stress reliever. After we had to quit we tried drinking to aleviate stress but had nothing but trouble, damaging our relationship and home life so we stopped. I am amazed that alcahol is legal and pot isn't, it's ridiculous! Yeah we still survive without the weed but hold it against the government and it has diminished our opinion of this country being about freedom. What a crock, our government is so ass backwards it's pitiful.
THANK YOU to the officer who spoke the truth in this article.

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Trigger Reform...
Posted by: FairFight on Dec 31, 2005 10:59 PM   
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How to Induce America to Reform its drug policies...

1. A suit against the government to show cause as to the dangers of drugs versus Alcohol, Tobacco and Prescription Medications.

2. A suit against the government to justify its rationale for having made drugs illegal in the first place; and, what is the true purpose of scheduling "so called" dangerous drugs.

3. A suit against the government to produce detailed financial records of all confiscations and use of all funds claimed to have been spent on the War on Drugs; and, how the proceeds from confiscations have been used to offset costs to the American taxpayer.

4. A suit against the government to justify its continued ecological damage to producing countries, in the interest of denying basic freedoms to American citizens.

5. A suit against the government to provide detailed financial information concerning the cost of Methodone Therapy Programs; and, why Methodone is a better alternative than Heroin itself.

These are only a few strategies aimed at publicizing the costs of waging war against Americans who have a Constitutional right to enjoy their drugs of choice without political intervention. I'm sure there are many more strategies.

Whatever strategy is used, the government should be continually put on the spot to justify its war on drugs.

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