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GOP Outrage of the Week

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted October 12, 2005.


After five years of letting stupefying pork and ideological nonsense slide over his desk, the first bill Bush threatened to veto was McCain's anti-torture bill.

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On one of those television gong shows that passes for journalism, the panelists used to have to pick an Outrage of the Week. Then, each performer would wax indignant about his or choice for 60 seconds or so. If someone asked me to name the Outrage of the Week about now, I'd have a coronary. How could anyone possibly choose?

I suppose the frontrunner is the anti-torture amendment. Sen. John McCain proposed an amendment to the military appropriations bill that would prohibit "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment of prisoners in the custody of the U.S. military.

This may strike you as a "goes without saying" proposition -- the amendment passed the Senate 90 to nine. The United States has been signing anti-torture treaties under Democrats and Republicans for at least 50 years. But the Bush administration actually managed to find some weasel words to create a loophole in this longstanding commitment to civilized behavior.

According to the Bushies, if the United States is holding a prisoner on foreign soil, our soldiers can still subject him or her to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment -- the very forms of torture used by the soldiers who were later prosecuted for their conduct at Abu Ghraib. Does this make any sense, moral or common?

So deeply does President Bush feel our country, despite all its treaty commitments, has a right to torture that he has threatened to veto the bill if it passes. This would the first time in five years he has ever vetoed anything. Think about it: Five years of stupefying pork, ideological nonsense, dumb administrative ideas, fiscal idiocy, misbegotten energy programs -- and the first thing the man vetoes is a bill to pay our soldiers because it carries an amendment saying, once again, that this country does not torture prisoners.

This is the United States of America. It is our country, not George W. Bush's personal property. The United States of America still stands for the rights of man, for freedom, dignity and justice. We do not torture helpless prisoners. Our soldiers are not the SS, not the North Vietnamese who tortured McCain and others for years on end, not bestial Argentinean fascists, not the Khmer Rouge.

Remember, we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was such a horrible brute that he tortured people. This is beyond disgusting. The House Republicans, which have no shame, will try to weaken McCain's amendment. They need to hear from decent Republicans all over this country. Don't leave this hideous stain on your party's name. This is NOT what America stands for. We've had more loathsome and more dangerous enemies than Al-Qaida and managed to defeat them without resorting to torture.

And leading the charge in the House will be Tom DeLay, that pillar of moral rectitude and Christian mercy. Wait a minute: Didn't DeLay have to step down from his leadership position after he got indicted? Well, yes, but some step-downs are more down than others. There was The Hammer in full glory last Friday, twisting arms and working the floor on behalf of a real cutie of a bill to benefit the oil companies.

Even Republicans revolted. As Rep. Sherwood Boehlert said, "We are enriching people, but we are not doing anything to give the little guy a break." This bill was so awful the leadership had to hold the vote open for 40 minutes, a clear violation of House rules -- there's a five-minute limit on votes of this kind -- while the Republican leaders roamed the floor, cajoling, bullying and threatening.

I have become inured to Bush's idea of foreign policy, which is to tell the rest of the world, "Kiss my behind." But the policy does result in some lovely ironies. On Friday, Mohamed ElBaradei, the highly respected head of the United Nation's International Atomic Energy Agency, won the Nobel Peace Prize. Quite apart from whether you support George Bush or not, ElBaradei and the IAEA deserve the honor -- they have been both diligent and effective.

ElBaradei was right when he repeatedly warned the Bush administration Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction and has said the day the United States invaded "was the saddest in my life."

But you know our boy George: not for him the gracious, "Gee, you were right, and we wrong after all." Nope, after ElBaradei was proved right, Bush tried to have him fired. And the man in charge of carrying out the campaign to have the guy fired for being right? John Bolton, now our ambassador to the United Nations.

Liar of the week: George W. Bush said on his Saturday radio address a week and a half ago that Iraq has 100 battalions of battle-ready soldiers. By the time he got to his television address on Thursday, it was 80 battalions. (I guess it's worse to lie if they're taking pictures of you.) Unfortunately, the next day Gen. George Casey, who oversees U.S. forces in Iraq, said of those 80, the number of Iraqi battalions fit to fight independently of U.S. support had slipped from three to one. One, three, 80, 100 -- if this is Tuesday, it must be ...

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Rummy for President '08 !!!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 12, 2005 12:24 AM   
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Why haven't we indicted Rumsfeld? We got dirt on almost everyone in the administartion. With all the goings on, why can't we find anything on Rumsfeld which might remove him from his post? I know there is immense corruption in DC, and as nice as it is to see DeLay removed from post, nobody needs to go worse than Rumsfeld. My grandfather with alzheimers makes more sense than this dispicable crap of a person. Is he truly America's finest, most capable military planner? Or is he a loyal friend of Bush who got a job he wasn't qualified for.

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Outrage of the week
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 12, 2005 1:13 AM   
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We have several excellent candidates for the outrage of the week, all compliments of the Bible totin' nut jobs.

First, you have anointed one and his "I wan't to torture!" tantrum.

Then, you have his incompetent, born again ambulance chasing Supreme Court nominee.

Next, there is the Family Research Council that will oppose the implementation of a vaccine against cervical cancer because it will send the wrong mesage that premarital sex is OK.

And last you have the good Christian members of the Indians legislature that want to prevent the lawful use methods of artificial conception in lesbians and other unmarried women (see here ).

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USA - worst banana republic
Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 12, 2005 1:42 AM   
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If the US Congress voted on a bill for 40 minutes instead of 5 minutes - who is held accountable? Is it that easy to break the congressional house rules which uphold & generate the nation's political clout & power. The USA now has about the same insane politically corrupt parliamentary sytem as any of the worst banana republics or least livable fascist nations that exist on our planet (whichever that may be - take your pick).

To simply have the house numbers stacked in your favour is apparently accepted as part of the so-called democratic process. So accept it. As a country you voted for it. Now even if a political party is split over a vote - they keep the vote open till they get a favoured result. Next they just may hold any representatives families hostage at gun point - just to make sure they don't cross the floor. Keep the vote open for a few days until a rep. gets the right message. I guess this would be accepted a legalised torture as well. The US government is entirely off its head.

If US citizens are not offended by this sort of political unaccountability & corruptability then you are all suckers. Wake up already - your fascist regime is a national disgrace & a global embarrassment for democracy everywhere.

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» RE: USA - worst banana republic Posted by: surfreality
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But we do!
Posted by: garyinthailand on Oct 12, 2005 2:15 AM   
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Thanks Molly, but I must point out one error. You state that "we do not torture helpless prisoners." But it's clear that in the Bush regime, we do do exactly that. McCain's amendment is an attempt to stop a despicable, and now clearly prevalent practice, an effort for which he deserves much credit.

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» RE: But we do:garyinthailand Posted by: cstriker
» RE: But we do! Posted by: slaird46
Disgusting
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 12, 2005 3:03 AM   
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Molly Ivins is the greatest political writer on the planet. It's nice to know that there are some Texans who are not brain-dead. George W. Bush is an absolute disgrace. This hideous, stupid bastard has got to be removed from office. Unfortunately we'll be stuck with him for at least another year and a half - Don't hold your breath hoping that the tide of human shit that makes up the current House will impeach him. I'm not crazy about the state of the Democratic Party. I joined the Green Party in 2000 and never looked back. But it is so important that they take back the Senate and the House next year that, I seriously believe, the future of the republic depends on it. It's up to the Dems now to nominate men and women who will represent the people.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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» RE: Disgusting Posted by: adp3d
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» Tom, wait a minute Posted by: cyclone
» RE: Tom, wait a minute Posted by: Coleman
» RE: Tom, wait a minute Posted by: cyclone
» THIS IS EARTH SHAKING! Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: ssegallmd Posted by: cyclone
» RE: ssegallmd Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: ssegallmd Posted by: cyclone
» RE: Twister Posted by: cyclone
» RE: ssegallmd Posted by: ezermeno
» RE: Tom, wait a minute Posted by: kelly.nickell
» RE: Hey Kelly Posted by: cyclone
» RE: Hey Kelly Posted by: kelly.nickell
» RE: Tom, wait a minute Posted by: jeff
» Ooops, sarcasm gone too far? Posted by: Michiganman
» Sold Posted by: Michiganman
» cut it out Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: cut it out Posted by: cyclone
» It's a deal Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: Tom, wait a minute Posted by: LPB
» RE: CYCLONE Posted by: Royaras
» RE: ROYARAS Posted by: bogey11
Bush's ethics
Posted by: kgs1947 on Oct 12, 2005 3:49 AM   
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It's become very clear that Bush and his cronies have no ethics. He is the appointed "Messiah" who will do anything to get his way! Being a born-again Christian seems to give him license to use whatever methods he decides to employ to get what he wants...the ends justify the means...and he has no conscious when it comes to what "God has told" him to do. Is this sick or what? In another century, he would have been burned at the stack as a heretic. Today his cronies simply praise him for his courage and steadfastness! Anyone who contradicts him is arrested and tortured! Under Bush we have no inalienable rights! What Bush wants, Bush gets! He's a dry drunk leading us into the flames of hell like lemmings on the march.

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» RE: Bush's ethics Posted by: abhurley
» RE: Bush's ethics Posted by: pacto
sara13
Posted by: jenbeca on Oct 12, 2005 5:38 AM   
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Thank you, Molly Ivins. Sadly, however, there are a lot of people in this country who seem to feel that torture of so-called terrorists is perfectly OK. A conversation with one of them is an awful experience in irrational fear and downright bigotry sometimes. I am also sure they are not a majority and that their views do not excuse Bush or any other elected official from their responsibility for this shameful behavior. It will haunt us for decades, if not longer.

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ECLECTICIST S JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Oct 12, 2005 5:39 AM   
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If you have been following Bush 43, then his decision to veto the Mcain bill is that he "does not get it..."...
Whether it is this bill, Iraq, budget deficits, speaking witout a script , etc Bush 43 cannot fathom the results of his decisions...especially war... He has never been in it due to his exemption...Mccain has been there and done that...
Further , we Americans have faced depressions, hurricanes, and natural disasters, but Bush 43 is a "catastrophic phenomenon" that is waiting to happen or has alrady happened...

"God save America"...

S...JIM...RODRIGUEZ+++EL ECLECTICIST+++
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FOR ROYROGERS
Posted by: cyclone on Oct 12, 2005 6:35 AM   
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roy,

Please email me at cyclone44856@sbcglobal.net I have some news that you will be interested in. Sorry about being off topic.

Cyclone

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A Presidential slip of the tongue
Posted by: cyclone on Oct 12, 2005 6:44 AM   
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"This is our America, not George Bush's personal property." (close to what Molly wrote, anyway)

Last night, while being interviewed at a house built by Habitat for Humanity, Boosh said something to the effect that "we are rebuilding MY country, I mean our country." No one, other than Laura was there to protect him. He truly does believe that this is "his country," and God put him in office to protect us from ourselves. Thank God the party is almost over.

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So, Bush Supports the Troops? RIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 12, 2005 8:08 AM   
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So Georgie Pork Pie is going to veto a bill to pay our soldiers, just because there is an amendment outlaw torture!!!!!

Please allow me to be the first to ask you, President Bush,ARE YOU FUCKIN' CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! Oh MY GOD!!!!!! Have you lost what little brains the drugs left you!!!

Where's johnnyboy? Where's killbill? Where are all the Bush Cheerleaders on this site when the REAL GOOD STUFF COMES UP!!!!!!

Get real!!!! John McCain is a REPUBLICAN!!!!!!! And unlike you George( I gotta keep the Viet-Cong outta Alabama ) Bush, this man went through more shit than you've even read about!!!!! He knows what torture is!!! " Big Barn Smell " and the other merciful inn-keepers at " Hanoi Hilton " were only too happy to give him a personal tutorial!!! He served his country his own blood, while your country served you breakfast in bed!!!!! GIMMEE A BREAK GEORGE!!!!

I CHALLENGE ANYBODY OUT THERE TO TELL ME THIS PRESIDENT ISN'T A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!

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» RETARD Posted by: LMNOP
It's called strategy
Posted by: ScottP on Oct 12, 2005 8:23 AM   
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Remember, Bush is not up for re-election. So he's in the perfect position to play the bad guy role to let his successor look good. Sen. McCain and others can back the torture no-brainer bill and Bush and others can oppose it. They split up for their little spat depending on which constituents each has and which office they'll run for next. Some sleaze like Sen. Chuck Hagel (remember the war monger who conveniently owned the company ES&S that counted the votes in his "stunning upset" election) can make a courageous stand against lopping off arms (but hands are OK) and look like a moderate. He can even make a couple statements about "exit strategy". Then the CEO of GE (remember, the defense contractor) can order their media division to call Hagel a thoughtful moderate and wonderful candidate for president. They'll bury the story about his falsified campaign forms and stolen election and war monger voting record. The ignorant masses will swallow it again. Mooo...

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» RE: It's called strategy Posted by: badkitty
I found the next loophole
Posted by: cstriker on Oct 12, 2005 8:31 AM   
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I just read another article about this. You can find it in the archives list for today or here.

I think the loophole is fairly clear too. According to Joanne Mariner's article

"Their bill provides clear guidance to American troops, banning the "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" of anyone in U.S. custody."

Do you see it? It's right there. "...in U.S. custody."

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Newsguy
Posted by: Newsguy on Oct 12, 2005 8:42 AM   
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What is wrong with torturing terrorists who are trying to destroy our freedoms? They hate our freedoms They hate our democracy and our way of life. Torturing people will show people that they need to respect our freedom and our democracy.

We need to torture people to show the rest of the world what a decent Christian country we are. We need to torture people so we can demonstrate to the world what democracy is all about. We need to torture people so we can set an example for the rest of the world to follow. We need to torture people so we can gain the respect of the rest of the world. We need to become like the terrorists so we can defeat terrorism.

Torturing people will bring democracy and freedom to the rest of the world. The more torture the better.

Don't any of you bleeding heart liberals get it?

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» Forget Torture--Let’s Nuke ‘Em! Posted by: shangrilalad
» Hilarious! Posted by: jeff
Both Conservatives and Liberal suck alot
Posted by: asyaksa on Oct 12, 2005 1:40 PM   
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They need to hear from decent Republicans all over this country. Don't leave this hideous stain on your party's name. This is NOT what America stands for. We've had more loathsome and more dangerous enemies than Al-Qaida and managed to defeat them without resorting to torture.

We have heard from decent Republicans. As decent as they come. Didn't anyone see President Bush and the frist lady buidling houses in the Gulf? Or W fondling little black girls? It was a photo-op of a lifetime for any President but W made it seem, well, sleazy. A party should run the best person for the job for President and in George W. Bush the Republican Party showed us what they're made of. Unfortunately, the Democrats have shown us they are spineless and more Liberally corrupt. In fact, there isn't one person from either party worth bird shit on a statue. Our country is fucked beyond belief.

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My point exactly!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 12, 2005 1:43 PM   
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I am fully aware of Rummy's background. That is why I am more than sure he has done something indictment-worhy.

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Look out cause the GOP's got another great idea.
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 12, 2005 2:22 PM   
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Dr. Phil to Intervene in Troubled Republican Family

Program to air Sunday night on Fox

EWM- (October 12, 2005) Pop psychology guru Dr. Phil McGraw will conduct a live intervention Sunday night on the Fox Network in an attempt to pacify the feuding Republican Party. The program was hastily announced this morning as party leaders conceded that the internecine warfare over Supreme Court nominees, Iraq policy, corruption, out of control spending and general incompetence was about to go nuclear.

“These guys need more than a check-up from the neck-up. I’m going to have to do a full cranial colonic. I mean they got more troubles than a trailer park,” said Dr. Phil.

Sensing a complete meltdown in Republican ranks, First Lady Laura Bush secretly brought Dr. Phil to the White House Monday night to meet with select Republicans and evaluate the situation. It went badly.

“Dick Cheney called Ann Coulter a ’skank’ and she responded by kicking him in the testicles,” said Dr. Phil. “Then Bill Bennett jumped out of his chair and started goose-stepping around the room. Before I could get that settled down, an altercation broke out between Karl Rove and Scooter Libby over ‘who leaked first.’ Actually, that was kind of amusing because they both fight like girls,” added Dr. Phil....

full article

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ah, cyclone, come on , give us more!
Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 12, 2005 6:05 PM   
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Cyclone, I emailed you but now my mailbox is not working and I'm dying to hear more. Can't you give us any more?

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GOoPs condone torture!!!
Posted by: rwcbanzai on Oct 12, 2005 9:27 PM   
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Molly, I tell ya, this country is in a mess. Keep exposing these facists. With a president of a political party that condones torture, cronyism, corruption, corporatism, all the while devouring the meek. Oops the GOoPs are so full of contempt. Reminds me of the the 5th year of the third reich.

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THE Power Group
Posted by: Riverside on Oct 13, 2005 5:34 AM   
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After reading through a great many of the comments here, I got concerned over a number of writers who talk about a new power group that is moving in to oust the Bush Administration. Another even pointed out that there is nothing we concerned citizans can do. We just have to trust the new power group. This is exactly where we the people should not want to be.

We the people are THE power group as originally ordained by our founding fathers and our Constitution. We have let our responsibilities slide and now just sit back and look for alternate power groups to pry us out of the mess in which we find ourselves. This is not America, this is not the nation where so many of us, up to this very minute, have given their lives to preserve and protect. They fought for all of us, not some special power group.

We must bury our petty differences and begin to work together for the good of this nation and each and every one of us. If that is displeasing then we are in essence rejecting the very tenets of this great nation. If we stand for rejection then we cannot complain about the "torturous" outcomes we may have to endure.

Remember we the people means ALL of us, not just a select few. Let's get with it before we lose everything.

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» RE: THE Power Group---Kelly Posted by: cyclone
paranoid pollyanna
Posted by: Linda on Oct 13, 2005 9:39 PM   
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Go back & read "Animal Farm" again. If you've never read it, now's the time! It gives perspective on why the "choice" we have now, between Repubs. & Repub. Lite Dems., is actually NO choice at all. The system isn't working.

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cyclone, you blow!
Posted by: cynnbad on Oct 18, 2005 6:25 PM   
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If only what you're saying is true. But I think it's not. I hear rumors now that Cheney might resign. Unfounded. I think you have delusions of grandeur. You want to be the Great Karmak, but you're not. I think we're in this morass for the long haul; nothing short of outright rebellion will restore this great nation.

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» RE: cyclone, you blow! Posted by: cyclone
Bush is NOT a NEW Low
Posted by: je75 on Oct 19, 2005 9:41 AM   
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The low point, the absolute filthy bottom, of u.s. policy was reached with the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, the 'reform' of public aid (TANF), the bombing and sanctions on Iraq, and the invasion of Yugoslavia during the CLINTON administration. Bush is merely playing in the muck spread by earlier administrations (mostly Democratic): Truman (Truman Era miscalled McCarthy Era), Kennedy (Bay of Pigs & Vietnam), LBJ (Vietnam & Dominican Republic). The continual focus of alleged leftists on _Bush_ is a cover-up for the crimes of the DP over the last half century. Progress will come only when leftists turn on the DP.

It will take a mass movement of great extent outside of electoral politics to bring about even minimal decency in u.s. life. The DP exists to absorb, blunt, destroy such movements.

je75

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