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Can a Man Become President?
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Let's consider the last election. The perception was the George Bush was the more manly candidate. He spoke with a western twang, walked with a swagger, appeared to be decisive, and clearly had no use for the effete Eastern liberals, intellectuals, and the sissy boys who waffled about at the U.N. Despite the fact that the twang and the swagger were cultivated by this Eastern prep school boy with Yale and Harvard degrees, Bush was considered the more "authentic" candidate by a great many voters and pundits who found John Kerry "inauthentic" with his educated Bostonian ways, actual war heroism, and his inability to take a stand and stick with it right or wrong for life.
As one who would not want to sit down and share a beer with George Bush, or go windsailing with John Kerry, I have my own definition of "man" and I would like to apply it to the qualifications for our next President.
A real man should be capable of flip-flopping on any issue at any time. It is an essential element in thinking and living. There is no way to grow as a man without changing one's mind from time to time. The inability to change an opinion when life and events prove your original opinion or decision wrong, is not a manly quality. It is the quality of those who prefer to be deluded by life, rather than taught by it. The best thing that could be said of Kerry, who ran an overly cautious, defensive campaign that lacked the courage he showed in life, was that Kerry flip flopped on the issues. It meant that he was a man capable of growth.
Thank God for flip floppers. History shows that Lincoln was a champion flip flopper, changing his views on slavery as he developed in his life, Teddy Roosevelt was a flip flopper, a hunter who protected the environment, an American aristocrat who sought to protect the worker from the very ruling class he was born into, and protect industry from the trusts. FDR's elitist views were tempered by the times he lived in. Harry S. Truman, a small town man with a limited background was capable of making great decisions, based upon his ability to learn on the job, starting the movement towards Civil Rights in the military.
George Bush can never flip flop. He cannot change his mind, because it is a lazy mind, incapable of the activity required for flip flopping which can be a wrenching experience. Between the flip and the flop is a lot of mental and moral activity. He is far from stupid, but lacks that curiosity which allows for growth and change. By "sticking to his guns" he thinks he is acting as a man should act, standing by his principles, while in fact all he demonstrates is his inability to tolerate change and the weakness of those principles.
A real man does not always have to "feel your pain" but he must be capable of alleviating it. Real men are healers. They are not towel snapping bullies like our president, whose target is the poor, those least able to defend themselves. For all his failing, Jimmy Carter was a real man. His was an unlucky presidency, but it was one in which the poor and the environnment were given a chance to survive. His actions for peace and for building decent lives for the poor, following his presidency, reveal a man who is driven by true religious feelings, not one who uses his religion to beat down the poor because "the poor will always be with us."
A real man values human life so highly that he cannot help but oppose those who make war, destroy gun control laws, and cheapen life by allowing fellow Americans to suffer in life-destroying poverty. A real man is not threatened by the way other people live, be they gay, straight, atheist, zen Buddhist -- he is content to live and let live -- and support laws that broaden human freedom, not limit it.
A real man does not claim to reform Social Security by destroying it. He does not claim to advance our freedoms by limiting them. A real man knows he does not hold a patent on the truth but works towards finding the truth by examining the world, not feeding on his own beliefs. That takes courage, the quality that a real man must have.
Most of all a real man can say "I was wrong" and mean it. He can take responsibility for his actions and know that responsibility isn't just admitting to error, but seeking ways to remedy that error. In this way George W. Bush is not a real man and never will be. He can drink his beer, talk his baseball stats, walk the walk on aircraft carriers, and nothing that he can do will make him a real man unless he can now become a born again humanist, not a very likely prospect.
The question I raise can only be answered by the American people when they reexamine the notion of what real man is in the next election. Perhaps a real woman can be a better real man than those who now swagger across the national stage, actors playing leaders, or perhaps she will assume the posture of the fake men who preceded her, and she too will be compromised by the need to appear tough and never flip flop and call intellectual weakness moral strength. Can a woman become President? Maybe, if she is a real woman.
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Posted by: aedwards on Oct 11, 2005 12:38 AM
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Maybe there is a better canidate then Hilary that the Democratic party can run. Any ideas?
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Posted by: churchofone on Oct 11, 2005 3:51 AM
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I can only hope that our nation is learning that we don't need a President who is inflexible and rigid - two traits of addiction - but rather someone who is at least willing to explore other options and admit their humanity, and recognize it in others as well.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 11, 2005 4:08 AM
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 11, 2005 4:43 AM
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I’d like to see a woman run for president, but not Hilary, she would be a disaster. Stupid white men will prevent a woman from becoming president for decades to come, but Hilary would infuriate and rally cavemen and set women back a century. Of all western societies we have the highest percentage of ignorant sport fans, and they and their dimwitted wives are a majority of voters.
Republicans have proven they have no qualms about rigging elections, so why would they stop now? Plus, many of our democratic leaders are just as corrupt as republicans, though disorganized and far less competent as liars, thieves and cheats. Far less competent as leaders too.
As Machiavelli noted, no country can recover from total corruption without outside intervention. If the world hadn’t allied against Hitler’s Thousand year Reich, it would have lasted a thousand years. Republicans totally control the government, the armed forces, the media and millions of faithful morons, and until the world becomes frightened enough to unite, we will be ruled by sociopaths.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Oct 11, 2005 6:12 AM
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Maybe the world is so F----D up because it has been testosterone driven since the beginning of 'civilization' by a patriarchal worldview that seeks power, control and empire building rather than honoring the maternal wisdom of love, compassion and caring.
If we the people are the government then we the people must be the catalyst to change it.
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Posted by: cstriker on Oct 11, 2005 6:36 AM
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I feel like what we really need is someone who is currently running a successful local business. This person is respected by their employees because they know that their business depends on them. The business would have to change and grow (per the owner) to be successful in this day and age.
What's more that business owner would probably be more down to earth than any politician today. That is the kind of person we need. Someone like Oprah, someone that came up from poverty and truely knows what life is like on the other side of the tracks. I'm not suggesting Oprah as the choice, just an example.
Problem with most politicians that would be president is that they generally grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth. How does this identify them as a likely candidate. We need another Abraham Lincoln.
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Posted by: Ely Whitney on Oct 11, 2005 7:56 AM
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Americans are all about the packaging and not the product. It is all around in every workplace, every media outlet, you see those in the fore front who with a brain cell less would have a difficult time tieing their shoes but because they fit the image they have position.
It is all too often you hear people during an election campaign discussing who would best be the choice because of their looks, not whether or not they have the intelligence, the character and the moral fibre to lead. Am I being overly dramatic?? I do not think so..... Would Ghandi have made a great American leader, not likely because he dresses funny, Nelson Mandella, would he have made a great American leader, not likely because he is not the right color...and that list could go on, leaders with conviction of a purpose to do what is right, often not popular but as history proves their vision was impeccable, instead we have Retired movie actors, people who would best suit the crime underworld and a man who swaggers for an image that makes him appear manly.
Now we talk of the Hilary Clintons, Rudy G´s of the political world and it is image that we look for is not whether or not these are good people to the core. We as voters look at mere snipits in time, we see only what we want to see, the whole picture is there but we focus on but a few drops of paint on the so called canvas.
If we look at our leaders as some food product that which we are willing to purchase and take home with us, Americans need to start to look less at the packaging and more at the freshness and quality of the product period.
As far as the intelligence of GWB... I cannot help but return to a simple statement from the movie Forrest Gump....Stupid is as Stupid does... it fits the situation perfectly where Dubya is concerned.
again.....just one mans opinion
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Posted by: cyclone on Oct 11, 2005 8:42 AM
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News Flash: If Boosh is allowed to finish his term, our democracy cannot survive this presidency. We are toast.
End of story.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 11, 2005 9:00 AM
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"A real man does not claim to reform Social Security by destroying it. He does not claim to advance our freedoms by limiting them."
In other words, a real man doesn't lie. In this regard ALONE, George Bush will NEVER be a real man, because practically all he has done to the american people is lie to them: Social Security "reform," WMD's, reasons for the 9/11 disaster, reasons for the Iraq occupation, trickle down economics/tax breaks for the rich, cuts in veteran's medical care, hiding the dead and maimed from Iraq, the "Swift Boat" smear against Kerry, the smear campaign against McCain, Bush's own military record and his desertion, his alcoholism. . .Gawd, the list just goes on and on and on. . . .
The fact is, this man's whole life is a lie, not the least of which is how he lies to himself with his false, dry-drunk feelings of self importance and how he conveniently ignores the fact that everything he's "achieved" his daddy got for him. But what disturbs me more is why a good portion of the american people are not "men" enough to see through their need for blind allegance and to be taken care of, and see this clown for who he really is: a sociopathic, snotty little boy "playing president" like some two-bit dictator.
That so many "good ol' boys" can still back this amoral idiot speaks volumes of what we have become as a nation. President Bush is OUR fault – and we need to be "man" enough to admit it.
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Posted by: eastcoker on Oct 11, 2005 9:05 AM
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As one who you all know "flip flops" I was really heartened by this article...I feel a lot of shame my self as I think through difficult issues like gay rights and abortion as a progressive Christian. Well this morning I have clarified my position further...and that feels good...
It takes courage to stand alone, and sometimes that is what a real human being must do. A real human being must have the courage to stand up against institutional sexism and homophobia, even at great risk to the self.
Can George Bush do this?
No.
We need a President that can stand up to the bullies of the Rapture Right...And the bullies of big business. A principled person. A spiritual person. A tolerant person.
Can such a person be elected to be our next President?
I sure hope so.
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Posted by: AdamSelene11726 on Oct 11, 2005 9:42 AM
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Too often, we get Arnold Schwartzneiger -- or worse.
Trying to persuade John Wayne fans that Allen Alda is more of a Real Man than the Duke ... a waste of time.
The problem is: "nuance" is kind of "girly" ... that is to say, weak and contemptable. So how do we have a nuanced discussion of what English word might come closest to the meaning of "Menchkeit" -- and why that's a quality we want in our leadership?
Answer : "We can't, you wimp!"
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 11, 2005 12:33 PM
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methods of control over true Liberty. Women,children,the poor,imfirm and elderly have always been the least concern for the ruling class. For their sole and only 'god' is money.
If we want real change we need to start loking for 'True Humans' to elect. They would make sure the air,the water and the ground would be unpolluted. Factories would become environmentally inert. Wealth would not be centeralized. The society would be raised from the bottom up. Healthcare,education,The environment and Social Security would become 'Off-Budget' fully funded programs. Minimum wage would be such that a one paycheck family could pay the rent and buy a weeks worth of food in one week's check. The Rights and Liberties of ALL PEOPLE would be respected and given the broadest possible application. The 'True Human' would wage Peace by actually Living It.Granting it to all peoples,all nations,all creeds for it is the birthright of all peoples in all lands. A 'True Human' would relieve all the worlds debts and end the nightmare of economic oppression.
So if you can't find anyone that wants to walk this talk,come get me because I will.
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Posted by: soulsong on Oct 11, 2005 1:56 PM
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"THE WHIMP FACTOR" (AlterNet, Oct.29,2004) in which he says, "We have an administration that is, almost, congenitally
incapable of acknowledging a mistake, especially a mistake that involves failure to listen to advice-the proverbial refusal to ask for directions-imperils their manhood."
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Oct 11, 2005 2:34 PM
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A "real" (read honorable) man will stand by what he believes to be right despite heavy opposition. If he discovers he is wrong, he will admit it.
It's possible to be both an honorable man and on the wrong side of an issue by lack of perception (or simple stupidity). People often assert that Bush isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 11, 2005 3:37 PM
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You can’t call it terror if you’re not afraid of it.
...All the latest commotion was conveniently foreshadowed by the President a day earlier in a “major speech” on terror. It was a real stemwinder. I have the Cliff notes.
Bush said: “9-11…terror…assaulted by enemies…great evil…covered in smoke and ashes…fire across the Potomac…new terror offensive…kill children and the elderly…mortal danger to all humanity…like a parasite…as brutal an enemy as we’ve ever faced.” It’s the same pep talk he gives every time his polls plummet.
Doesn’t it seem odd that a President who conducts foreign policy like he’s trying to get in touch with his inner-cowboy would be so intent on turning his own country into a herd of spooked sheep?
But with Karl Rove curled up into a fetal ball awaiting the word of a certain grand jury, and the rest of the team either fending off the FBI or dusting off their curricula vitae, Bush is kind of on his own. So he’s playing the hole card, the only thing that’s ever worked for him. Be very, very afraid.
Terrorists, hurricanes, bio-agents, wild fires, housing bubbles, social insecurity, gay people getting married, be very, very afraid.
Now Bush is squawking about a military takeover when the Avian flu pandemic hits. How bad is it when we’re afraid of chickens?
Read "You can’t call it terror if you’re not afraid of it."
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Posted by: TassieDevil on Oct 11, 2005 11:51 PM
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Imagine if, when we voted, our vote were posted on the local Post Office wall or similar place. I'll bet we'd take a lot more serious an attitude to those we voted for then.
Remember, we the majority that vote are responsible for who gets voted in to power. The current Administration is simply and purely a reflection of all of us that voted.
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Its really hard for me at this point not to break out in a rather sadistic yarn of sarcasm as I ponder the way to elloquently point out how obviously Yellen is missing the boat on any kind of gender consciousness. What if "real men" and "real women" presidents or not (and of course anyone who does not fit these restrictive catorgories are of no count) stop thinking in such black/white dichotomous, boxizing, narrow minded philosophies? What if instead of redifining masculansim we point out the shortcoming of such binary oppositions as gender? These dichotomies and the dangers of them mirrored in the us/them, evil/good, patriot/terrorist catogories that are called into question in this article.
Obviously our dear author, is coming from a privilledged back ground. This grand idea that is spewed out here is nothing but regression peeping out from under the wool of progressive thought. How can it be a good idea that we have a "humanist" president who believes that we all need to live up to some standard of a "real man"? In a pitiful attempt to address the idea of a woman president Yellen throws out "Perhaps a real woman can be a better real man". Thanks for that Yellen, but maybe the problem is that we got everybody only getting value in this society the closer they represent some "real man" (the rich white guy); maybe the issue is that everyone needs the value that our great American dream proscribes them instead of the reality where the further you are from the ideal (the rich white guy) the less of it you have.
Based on these statements I do not believe that this article lives up to Alternet's stated standards which require that comments may not be sexist or racist. Maybe that's just rules for the little people though.
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Posted by: aedwards on Oct 11, 2005 12:38 AM
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Maybe there is a better canidate then Hilary that the Democratic party can run. Any ideas?
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I can only hope that our nation is learning that we don't need a President who is inflexible and rigid - two traits of addiction - but rather someone who is at least willing to explore other options and admit their humanity, and recognize it in others as well.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 11, 2005 4:43 AM
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I’d like to see a woman run for president, but not Hilary, she would be a disaster. Stupid white men will prevent a woman from becoming president for decades to come, but Hilary would infuriate and rally cavemen and set women back a century. Of all western societies we have the highest percentage of ignorant sport fans, and they and their dimwitted wives are a majority of voters.
Republicans have proven they have no qualms about rigging elections, so why would they stop now? Plus, many of our democratic leaders are just as corrupt as republicans, though disorganized and far less competent as liars, thieves and cheats. Far less competent as leaders too.
As Machiavelli noted, no country can recover from total corruption without outside intervention. If the world hadn’t allied against Hitler’s Thousand year Reich, it would have lasted a thousand years. Republicans totally control the government, the armed forces, the media and millions of faithful morons, and until the world becomes frightened enough to unite, we will be ruled by sociopaths.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Oct 11, 2005 6:12 AM
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Maybe the world is so F----D up because it has been testosterone driven since the beginning of 'civilization' by a patriarchal worldview that seeks power, control and empire building rather than honoring the maternal wisdom of love, compassion and caring.
If we the people are the government then we the people must be the catalyst to change it.
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I feel like what we really need is someone who is currently running a successful local business. This person is respected by their employees because they know that their business depends on them. The business would have to change and grow (per the owner) to be successful in this day and age.
What's more that business owner would probably be more down to earth than any politician today. That is the kind of person we need. Someone like Oprah, someone that came up from poverty and truely knows what life is like on the other side of the tracks. I'm not suggesting Oprah as the choice, just an example.
Problem with most politicians that would be president is that they generally grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth. How does this identify them as a likely candidate. We need another Abraham Lincoln.
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Posted by: Ely Whitney on Oct 11, 2005 7:56 AM
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Americans are all about the packaging and not the product. It is all around in every workplace, every media outlet, you see those in the fore front who with a brain cell less would have a difficult time tieing their shoes but because they fit the image they have position.
It is all too often you hear people during an election campaign discussing who would best be the choice because of their looks, not whether or not they have the intelligence, the character and the moral fibre to lead. Am I being overly dramatic?? I do not think so..... Would Ghandi have made a great American leader, not likely because he dresses funny, Nelson Mandella, would he have made a great American leader, not likely because he is not the right color...and that list could go on, leaders with conviction of a purpose to do what is right, often not popular but as history proves their vision was impeccable, instead we have Retired movie actors, people who would best suit the crime underworld and a man who swaggers for an image that makes him appear manly.
Now we talk of the Hilary Clintons, Rudy G´s of the political world and it is image that we look for is not whether or not these are good people to the core. We as voters look at mere snipits in time, we see only what we want to see, the whole picture is there but we focus on but a few drops of paint on the so called canvas.
If we look at our leaders as some food product that which we are willing to purchase and take home with us, Americans need to start to look less at the packaging and more at the freshness and quality of the product period.
As far as the intelligence of GWB... I cannot help but return to a simple statement from the movie Forrest Gump....Stupid is as Stupid does... it fits the situation perfectly where Dubya is concerned.
again.....just one mans opinion
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Posted by: cyclone on Oct 11, 2005 8:42 AM
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News Flash: If Boosh is allowed to finish his term, our democracy cannot survive this presidency. We are toast.
End of story.
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"A real man does not claim to reform Social Security by destroying it. He does not claim to advance our freedoms by limiting them."
In other words, a real man doesn't lie. In this regard ALONE, George Bush will NEVER be a real man, because practically all he has done to the american people is lie to them: Social Security "reform," WMD's, reasons for the 9/11 disaster, reasons for the Iraq occupation, trickle down economics/tax breaks for the rich, cuts in veteran's medical care, hiding the dead and maimed from Iraq, the "Swift Boat" smear against Kerry, the smear campaign against McCain, Bush's own military record and his desertion, his alcoholism. . .Gawd, the list just goes on and on and on. . . .
The fact is, this man's whole life is a lie, not the least of which is how he lies to himself with his false, dry-drunk feelings of self importance and how he conveniently ignores the fact that everything he's "achieved" his daddy got for him. But what disturbs me more is why a good portion of the american people are not "men" enough to see through their need for blind allegance and to be taken care of, and see this clown for who he really is: a sociopathic, snotty little boy "playing president" like some two-bit dictator.
That so many "good ol' boys" can still back this amoral idiot speaks volumes of what we have become as a nation. President Bush is OUR fault – and we need to be "man" enough to admit it.
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As one who you all know "flip flops" I was really heartened by this article...I feel a lot of shame my self as I think through difficult issues like gay rights and abortion as a progressive Christian. Well this morning I have clarified my position further...and that feels good...
It takes courage to stand alone, and sometimes that is what a real human being must do. A real human being must have the courage to stand up against institutional sexism and homophobia, even at great risk to the self.
Can George Bush do this?
No.
We need a President that can stand up to the bullies of the Rapture Right...And the bullies of big business. A principled person. A spiritual person. A tolerant person.
Can such a person be elected to be our next President?
I sure hope so.
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Posted by: AdamSelene11726 on Oct 11, 2005 9:42 AM
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Too often, we get Arnold Schwartzneiger -- or worse.
Trying to persuade John Wayne fans that Allen Alda is more of a Real Man than the Duke ... a waste of time.
The problem is: "nuance" is kind of "girly" ... that is to say, weak and contemptable. So how do we have a nuanced discussion of what English word might come closest to the meaning of "Menchkeit" -- and why that's a quality we want in our leadership?
Answer : "We can't, you wimp!"
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methods of control over true Liberty. Women,children,the poor,imfirm and elderly have always been the least concern for the ruling class. For their sole and only 'god' is money.
If we want real change we need to start loking for 'True Humans' to elect. They would make sure the air,the water and the ground would be unpolluted. Factories would become environmentally inert. Wealth would not be centeralized. The society would be raised from the bottom up. Healthcare,education,The environment and Social Security would become 'Off-Budget' fully funded programs. Minimum wage would be such that a one paycheck family could pay the rent and buy a weeks worth of food in one week's check. The Rights and Liberties of ALL PEOPLE would be respected and given the broadest possible application. The 'True Human' would wage Peace by actually Living It.Granting it to all peoples,all nations,all creeds for it is the birthright of all peoples in all lands. A 'True Human' would relieve all the worlds debts and end the nightmare of economic oppression.
So if you can't find anyone that wants to walk this talk,come get me because I will.
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"THE WHIMP FACTOR" (AlterNet, Oct.29,2004) in which he says, "We have an administration that is, almost, congenitally
incapable of acknowledging a mistake, especially a mistake that involves failure to listen to advice-the proverbial refusal to ask for directions-imperils their manhood."
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A "real" (read honorable) man will stand by what he believes to be right despite heavy opposition. If he discovers he is wrong, he will admit it.
It's possible to be both an honorable man and on the wrong side of an issue by lack of perception (or simple stupidity). People often assert that Bush isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 11, 2005 3:37 PM
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You can’t call it terror if you’re not afraid of it.
...All the latest commotion was conveniently foreshadowed by the President a day earlier in a “major speech” on terror. It was a real stemwinder. I have the Cliff notes.
Bush said: “9-11…terror…assaulted by enemies…great evil…covered in smoke and ashes…fire across the Potomac…new terror offensive…kill children and the elderly…mortal danger to all humanity…like a parasite…as brutal an enemy as we’ve ever faced.” It’s the same pep talk he gives every time his polls plummet.
Doesn’t it seem odd that a President who conducts foreign policy like he’s trying to get in touch with his inner-cowboy would be so intent on turning his own country into a herd of spooked sheep?
But with Karl Rove curled up into a fetal ball awaiting the word of a certain grand jury, and the rest of the team either fending off the FBI or dusting off their curricula vitae, Bush is kind of on his own. So he’s playing the hole card, the only thing that’s ever worked for him. Be very, very afraid.
Terrorists, hurricanes, bio-agents, wild fires, housing bubbles, social insecurity, gay people getting married, be very, very afraid.
Now Bush is squawking about a military takeover when the Avian flu pandemic hits. How bad is it when we’re afraid of chickens?
Read "You can’t call it terror if you’re not afraid of it."
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Where Republicans tread, innocent people end up dead.
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Posted by: TassieDevil on Oct 11, 2005 11:51 PM
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Imagine if, when we voted, our vote were posted on the local Post Office wall or similar place. I'll bet we'd take a lot more serious an attitude to those we voted for then.
Remember, we the majority that vote are responsible for who gets voted in to power. The current Administration is simply and purely a reflection of all of us that voted.
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Its really hard for me at this point not to break out in a rather sadistic yarn of sarcasm as I ponder the way to elloquently point out how obviously Yellen is missing the boat on any kind of gender consciousness. What if "real men" and "real women" presidents or not (and of course anyone who does not fit these restrictive catorgories are of no count) stop thinking in such black/white dichotomous, boxizing, narrow minded philosophies? What if instead of redifining masculansim we point out the shortcoming of such binary oppositions as gender? These dichotomies and the dangers of them mirrored in the us/them, evil/good, patriot/terrorist catogories that are called into question in this article.
Obviously our dear author, is coming from a privilledged back ground. This grand idea that is spewed out here is nothing but regression peeping out from under the wool of progressive thought. How can it be a good idea that we have a "humanist" president who believes that we all need to live up to some standard of a "real man"? In a pitiful attempt to address the idea of a woman president Yellen throws out "Perhaps a real woman can be a better real man". Thanks for that Yellen, but maybe the problem is that we got everybody only getting value in this society the closer they represent some "real man" (the rich white guy); maybe the issue is that everyone needs the value that our great American dream proscribes them instead of the reality where the further you are from the ideal (the rich white guy) the less of it you have.
Based on these statements I do not believe that this article lives up to Alternet's stated standards which require that comments may not be sexist or racist. Maybe that's just rules for the little people though.
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Well, I know, after I had the article posted on the World Wide Web, on the Internet, one journalist came back to me and said, “How can you even say that you’re responsibly reporting anything when you write something like this?”, and my answer to him was, “I delivered three kilos of cocaine to the man. Let’s talk about responsible reporting.” We delivered it in to Little Rock Air Force Base. We were met by three vehicles, a plain, unmarked police vehicle, which was driven by Buddy Young, a limo, and a van. Out of the limo stepped Dr. Lasater (sp?), who we delivered several coolers to. He walked over with another man, introduced the other man as the governor of Arkansas. We had two coolers, a heavy one, a light one marked “donor organs,” and the heavy one, it was all cocaine, and the light one, there was three kilos of cocaine and money. And a note saying “I owe you $25,000” that I stuck in there, sent the money to my friend and confidant Bill Colby, and Colby subsequently called me and said, “Stay out of it, Chip, let it go.”
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