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Bombs in Bali, Despite Crackdown

Islamic terrorists are suspects in three bombings that killed at least 26 people in Bali on Saturday.
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JAKARTA, INDONESIA AND CAIRO -- After three years of major successes against Southeast Asia's deadliest terror group -- including dozens of arrests, prosecutions of key figures, and improved intelligence sharing across the region -- Indonesia was hit again on Saturday. Despite doing many of the right things, experts say the bombings in Bali indicate how difficult it is to root out Islamist terrorism once it's established in a society.

Indonesian officials said Sunday they suspected two fugitives linked to Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) had masterminded the suicide bombings of three restaurants on the tourist island, which killed at least 26 people and injured more than 100.

In countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, a decade of counterterrorist operations have not entirely removed the threat in those societies, suggesting a long road ahead not only for Indonesia but for countries such as Iraq, where Islamist terrorism has become endemic in the past two years.

JI has historical and ideological links to an older Indonesian militant group, the Darul Islam, notes Sidney Jones, one of the world's leading authorities on the militant group, in a recent report by the International Crisis Group (ICG). "Darul Islam's ability to adapt and survive over the past five decades suggests Indonesia is unlikely to eradicate JI completely," she wrote.

While Indonesian efforts against the terror group haven't been perfect, they have scored many successes. Dozens have been arrested or prosecuted in connection with JI terrorism, including Abu Bakar Bashir, the group's spiritual leader, and Riduan Issamudin, who under the alias of Hambali served as the organization's principal planner and recruiter for nearly a decade.

But many other JI operatives have remained at large, and Indonesian officials in recent days warned that the group was adapting and regenerating its ability to carry out attacks. The latest attacks on Bali demonstrate how accurate those concerns were.

"It's very difficult to stop three guys from strapping on suicide belts, getting some ammonium nitrate, and then walking into a cafe," says Zachary Abuza, a political scientist and specialist on Southeast Asian terror groups at Simmons College in Boston.

While most Indonesians find such attacks abhorrent, and don't favor the sort of ultrareligious caliphate that JI wants, in a country of 230 million people, if only 0.5 percent of the population are sympathetic, that amounts to over 1 million potential supporters.

The blasts come nearly three years after bombings on Bali carried out by JI left 202 dead. Since then Indonesian, Singaporean, Malaysian, and Australian police have worked closely to track down dozens of people tied to the bombing.

If JI was responsible for the blast, the Bali attack would be the first time, since Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, that Al Qaeda-linked groups have staged a major second attack in the same location, raising concerns that London, Madrid, and other cities may not be immune.

The attack also confirms that once the taboo of suicide bombings has been broken within a country, follow-up attacks become much more likely. One of the attackers in 2002 was a suicide bomber, though at the time many Indonesians had trouble believing that an Indonesian was capable of such an act, mirroring similar disbelief in Iraq when suicide tactics began there, and suggested his bomb may have simply exploded prematurely.

This time, there seems to be little doubt about the mode of the attack. Indonesian officials say that initial forensic evidence points to suicide bombers in all three locations. Amateur video footage released by police also shows a man walking into one restaurant with an apparent bulge on his back, and then exploding.

"I received information at the time that terrorists were planning an action in Jakarta and that explosives were ready," President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said late Saturday. Mr. Yudhoyono and other antiterrorists officials had expected any attacks to be in the capital, Jakarta, and before the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan, which begins on Oct. 5.

To be sure, some analysts thought the threat might be past. Just last month Gareth Evans, a former Australian prime minister and chairman of the International Crisis Group think-tank, said that the JI network was no longer a serious threat.

"The JI regional division that covered Australia has been effectively smashed by Indonesian police and intelligence operations, well supported by Australian agencies," he said. "JI itself no longer poses a serious threat in Indonesia or elsewhere."

The Bali blast brings the number of bombings or attempted bombings in Indonesia since April 1999 to more than 50. The attacks include bombings at 19 churches on Christmas Eve of 2000 that killed some 19 people, and a suicide attack on Jakarta's Marriott Hotel in August 2003.

Since then, Indonesian courts have convicted and sentenced more than 50 people over the Bali, Marriott, and other attacks, including five death sentences. Hambali, JI's main recruiter, has been held incognito and without charges by the US since his arrest in Thailand in 2003.

But police say that some of JI's top militants and bombmakers are still at large, including Malaysians Azahari Husein and Mohammad Noordin Top. The two are suspected of key roles in the 2002 Bali blasts and in attacks in 2003 and 2004. Mr. Husein, a former Malaysian professor, wrote a bombmaking manual for the JI and is believed to have helped build the car bomb that did most of the damage in the first Bali attack.

JI is also suspected of involvement in bombings in the Philippines, where followers attended training camps, and plotted bomb attacks in Thailand and Singapore.

Accounts from jailed JI members have given authorities a detailed picture of the organization and its goals. Nasir Abas, a former JI member now in jail, provided organizational charts of JI in a recent book, along with extensive descriptions of its recruitment methods and leaders. JI, he wrote, is seeking to create a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia, aiming to unite Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, and the southern Philippines.

He also wrote of JI's roots in Darul Islam, a group that fought for an Islamic state in Indonesia in the 1950s, but was defeated by government troops the following decade.

According to court documents, another senior JI member is Abu Bakar Bashir, a 66-year-old Indonesian cleric. Mr. Bashir, the alleged spiritual leader of JI, was sentenced in March to 30 months in prison for involvement in a criminal conspiracy for the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings. Bashir denies terrorist links.

Southeast Asian police say that Bashir founded JI in Malaysia in 1993, and assumed leadership of the organization in 1999. He also is alleged to have helped to develop the organization while he was in exile in Malaysia in the 1980s, after fleeing Indonesia. Police say that he was helped by Hambali - a veteran of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s and 1990s - who helped to build JI into a terrorist organization. He drew on lessons from Afghanistan and also drew inspiration from Al Qaeda.

Mr. Abas told interrogators that "Hambali and Bashir issued the fatwa, or religious edict, from Osama bin Laden," saying that Muslims must defend themselves and strike Westerners. Ms. Jones of the ICG says there have been splits in JI between supporters of such attacks and those who wish to minimize casualties among Indonesian Muslims.
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Two sides to Bali's sad story.
Posted by: Colin on Oct 3, 2005 3:47 AM   
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I'll start by stating the obvious - I do not condone violence of any kind and I think as a political tool, effective as it can be, it cannot ever be the best way of resolving a problem. However, I feel this article lacks a balance. Specifically, it makes no reference to any possible motives by the terrorists and, because we are progressives rather than conservatives, we surely need to know both sides of the story.

I was in Kuta, Bali in 2000 and I saw a place that surprised the sh*t out of me. I remember someone saying Bali was 'somewhere Australians came to wipe their arses once a year' and it wasn't far from the truth. What had been a paradise corner of a paradise island had received the full 'globalisation' treatment. Examples? How's about being unable to literally walk down the road 20 yards after without being offered a prostitute. These girls (all young) weren't available to locals, they were there for the tourists. How’s about bars that you could only go in if you were western? How’s about seeing a beautiful place now littered with the same filth you'd see in any western city?

The story that sticks out most is the time my brother came back from the toilet looking white. He had accidentally walked into a cubicle and saw a 12 year old local boy sucking off a 60 year old fat white man. Remember, everyone knew that there are an awful lot of very devout Muslims around and knew exactly what they thought of all this.

The point I making is that these aren't surprise problems. Westerners have exploited the poverty of countries like Bali for decades, turning people into metaphorical toilet roll. Funnily enough, some locals have started resenting it. I see the same reaction from the locals as I do when I read the piece posted today about Columbine – the ‘little’ people taking their power back. And, like Columbine, if they’d been treated differently from the start we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

People can say tourism is how Bali makes most money (and it is) but the truth is they somehow survived centuries without tourism. The west has imposed it's values on places like Bali, demanded they conform to western governmental and fiscal policies and then sold them short by not offering a way into the global economy other than selling themselves and their children into a life of forced servitude. No surprise here though. What else have they got we might want?

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yellowdogdem
Posted by: DCH on Oct 3, 2005 3:48 AM   
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Ms. Huffington is so correct. Going to jail has become in vogue and leads to publicity and book deals. There is no precedent for the impeachable offences that this administration has engaged in with the aid of the non reporting of incidents prior to the "war" against a third world country.
The strategic military conduct of this fiasco makes me eternally grateful that we are not in North Korea. It is abundantly clear that some Generals have become puppets.

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The Jihad in Indonesia was declared in 1281.
Posted by: timtufuga on Oct 3, 2005 9:47 AM   
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I could not help but notice your interesting comments about the most recent establishment of a Islamic terrorist organisation in 1993, known as the Jemaah Islamiyah network. I have considered the historical amnesia by most non-Indonesians to the regional geo-political and religious paroyxsm, which seems to deny the contextual value of history and place. The age old conflict between religions, as gauged within the context of dynamic forces which is changing, and threatening to change, the elements of culture within the region. In the historical conflict of religious jihad, the Muslims, which accounts for 85% of Indonesia's 230 million people, have always considered Bali, with its three million Hindi-Buddhists, as a lifelong enemy. How far does this conflict go? A millenia of socio-political and religious upheavel.

Perhaps, the most pervasive influence of Balinese culture maybe significantly represented with its Hindu-Buddhist religion, which has been around since 425 AD. Hindu temples were built in 1258 in Sumatra and Jambi. The Singharasi Kingdom takes Bali under Kertanegara in 1268 and promotes Hinduism and Buddhism. (A delegation from Jambi (Sumatra) would beseech Kublai Khan to intervene in domestic affairs, and would consider usurping the Singharasi kingdom, and their Hindi influences in the region). Insodoing, the first elemental influences of the Islamics would filter into the region. By 1297, Sumatra would convert into Islam and establishes the first Sultan, Sultan Malek Saleh, within the region. In 425, the Buddhist influence was introduced into Sumatra, by 1297, this religion is diminished, with the sprading of the Islamic faith into the region.

In 2005, the Balinese are still reluctant to embrace Muhamud and, the Islamic Allah, and are still being punished for it today.

Judeo-Christianity was a recent introduction into the region, which can be be as recent as the first Spaniards into the region intrducing the Saint Francis Xavier version, of the Catholic church in 1526, primarily in the Philipines, and then onto Indonesia. The Dutch introduced the Protestant faith, in 1615 with the Vareenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC), establishing the Dutch Reform Church.

The war on terror, is merely a new version of religious and cultural conflict that is a continuation of cultural historical paroxysms within Indonesian regional development.

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Five Decades of Darul Islam?
Posted by: La Femme Nikita on Oct 3, 2005 11:25 AM   
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That's more than my lifespan!

"JI has historical and ideological links to an older Indonesian militant group, the Darul Islam, notes Sidney Jones, one of the world's leading authorities on the militant group, in a recent report by the International Crisis Group (ICG). "Darul Islam's ability to adapt and survive over the past five decades suggests Indonesia is unlikely to eradicate JI completely," she wrote."

I know a girl from Indonesia. Now I know why folks from Indonesia come to America. Cause their country AINT SAFE.

"I received information at the time that terrorists were planning an action in Jakarta and that explosives were ready," President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said late Saturday. Mr. Yudhoyono and other antiterrorists officials had expected any attacks to be in the capital, Jakarta, and before the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan, which begins on Oct. 5."

Thanks for the Ramadan date. I live and converse with Muslims, in fact am close friends with one, and it helps to know their holy days. I wrote this down on my calender. I hope with the inception of Ramadan things calm down. I don't see how any one can equate fasting and suicide and murder in their minds...

"Accounts from jailed JI members have given authorities a detailed picture of the organization and its goals. Nasir Abas, a former JI member now in jail, provided organizational charts of JI in a recent book, along with extensive descriptions of its recruitment methods and leaders. JI, he wrote, is seeking to create a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia, aiming to unite Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, and the southern Philippines."
Great so this phenomenon is in the Philippines too? I know militant Filipinos, used to live with one. Their anger towards the US is no joke, towards whitey in general...This is scary. Real scary. These folks will only be satisfied with blood and vengenance. What about apology? Will that not work? Will only utter mayhem satisfy the terrorists?

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Afghanistan and the Soviet Union
Posted by: La Femme Nikita on Oct 3, 2005 11:25 AM   
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"Southeast Asian police say that Bashir founded JI in Malaysia in 1993, and assumed leadership of the organization in 1999. He also is alleged to have helped to develop the organization while he was in exile in Malaysia in the 1980s, after fleeing Indonesia. Police say that he was helped by Hambali - a veteran of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s and 1990s - who helped to build JI into a terrorist organization. He drew on lessons from Afghanistan and also drew inspiration from Al Qaeda."

Great. More connections to Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. Hey anarchists and civil war advocates. You see this? Is this what you want? This kind of blood and violence? Is this what you are asking for on American soil? I hope not.

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Typical American Egocentric Journalism
Posted by: TassieDevil on Oct 3, 2005 3:37 PM   
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First and foremost, Gareth Evens was never an Australian Prime Minister. He was a Senator and from memory his highest posting was Attorney General.
Second, why can't Americans name the country, other than America, that have association with things.
The video - mobile phone shots were taken by Australians. It is a very cheap holiday destination for Australians. It is believed that Australians are being targeted in Indonesia by terrorists for our involvement in the Iraqi war, because we are very vulnerable there, and not so on our home soil.
The Balanese people have been pleading with Australians to continue to come to their Island, or they will go broke.
Ah but if it isn't American, it doesn't exist....right?

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A Caliphate that would include Australia
Posted by: timtufuga on Oct 8, 2005 7:59 AM   
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The caliphate for South East Asia may be perceived a possiblity by Jihadis from Indonesia and perhaps with a future vision of religious encroachment into Australia may be considered a possibility by some deluded visionaries, however, the lessons of history will reveal that the impact of belicose engagements throughout the historical religious evolutionary process has seen the wax and wane of religious empire, between the two most belicose religions and on the ledger of who has won the most religious wars throughout recorded history the last Muslim empire was the Ottoman Empire, since the twentieth century to the present, the Islamic world has been subordinated and subjugated by the overwhelming forces of Judeo-Christian western liberal democracies. At its head of this purported Zionist conspiracy is the protector of Israel, America. The simplicity of global religious and nascent empire building can not discount the three most fundamental global power sources, religious hegemony, via, Judeo-Christian dominance in all forums in geo-political spheres; economic and military hegemony, vai American hegemonic leadership since world war two; finally, the political leadersip power base being rooted on American soil, the United Nations headquarters, with the Security Council, being rooted in New York City.
The Israeli State has always been considered as the focal basis of Jihadi interests, with the Palestinian question being the age old theatre of conflict ever since. The romance of the noble crusades are still being fought today, and this Jihad will not disappear until a Caliphate that will include Australia emerges, then 'pigs will grow wings and fly' back to Ataturk, and the remnants of the Ottomen.

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Missing some points in Bali
Posted by: Nanci on Oct 8, 2005 11:56 AM   
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With all due respect, I found your article saddly recycling a lot of mainstream media disinformation.

OK, so you got the Garth Evans as Prime Minister wrong. Perhaps you can delve a bit deeper on the rest of the items you recycled as well.

First of all regarding Abu Bakar Bashir, if you actually look at the history of events regarding his arrest and subsequent trials you could stop recycling the unbased claims made about him in the scare-media! Not only has he maintained his innocence throughout, but the recent sentence against him was a huge loss for those prosecuting him. They had to drop all but one of the close to 20 charges they brought against him this year and the only thing the court actually found him guilty of was "failing to prevent" the October 2002 bombings in Bali.

Just like your article, the mainstream media in Australia ran the headline the next day, "Bashir Guilty" without going into any detail!

Bashir himself continues to say that the US and Australian governments are pushing the Indonesian government to pin something on him. I would bet that finding him guilty of 'failing to prevent' the first Bali Bomb was intended to appease those governments.

You say in you article that Java and Bali have been enemies for centuries. Surely, a deeper investigation of the last 200 years actually shows that after a period of territorial conflict (rather than religous) prior to Dutch colonialism, for centuries the tolerance between these two peoples, seperated by less than a mile of ocean, has been the outstanding feature. Balinese Hinduism iscludes many Buddhist principles and tolerance is practiced here towards all, even the Javanese who move here and take their jobs.

More on this if you care to read "Missing some points in Bali 2"

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Missing some points in Bali 2
Posted by: Nanci on Oct 8, 2005 11:57 AM   
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I live in Bali and here, even in Kuta, Javanese and Balinese work side by side in marketplaces, tourist venues and everywhere else. Mosques are in prominent places throughout the island and often, the local Balinese Hindus and local Muslims combine their efforts to work towards community goals or celebrate certain events.

I believe the story you are overlooking is the timing of the Bali bombs and the events in the Australian Government's march to keep up with G.Bush.

I was living in Austrlia in 2001 and when the 9/11 tragedy in NYC occurred, Australians were saddened but mostly believed it was something that could happen in America, but not in Australia. As the tempo stepped up and John Howard was preparing to back the US in the war in Iraq, most Australians couldn't see the point of their military getting involved.

Then, BOOM - A Bomb in Bali with 88 Australians killed and the Aus media took it for all it was worth. "Our 9/11" and other horrible headlines filled the papers for months. Very little mention was made of the huge number of Indonesians that died or the tourists from other countries that made up the other 114 deaths from that bomb.

Subsequently, John Howard convinces the Australian public that terrorism is their problem, too. And Australians go off to Iraq.

As you so well point out, the Indonesian Police have made numerous arrests since then and Bali has been rebuilding.

Well, in the week before this 2nd Bali bomb, Australia has proposed and moved forward to put new "terrorist" laws into place which some commentators were calling "draconian." And then, BOOM - Another Bomb in Bali!

Once again, the earliest reports included comments from Australia's foreign minister, even though tourists from other countries were on the first death list and many more Indonesians as well.

Watchful people in the US are starting to connect the dots - terrorist tragedies and alerts timed to deflect attention from bad news for Bush or to forward the neo-con agenda.

Rather than rehash a lot of "mad muslim" crap regarding this sad event for the beautiful island and people of Bali, who will now lose jobs and bussinesses...how about looking a bit deeper into the unexplained and totally uncharacteristic events surrounding this tragedy.

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Two sides to Bali's sad story.
Posted by: Colin on Oct 3, 2005 3:47 AM   
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I'll start by stating the obvious - I do not condone violence of any kind and I think as a political tool, effective as it can be, it cannot ever be the best way of resolving a problem. However, I feel this article lacks a balance. Specifically, it makes no reference to any possible motives by the terrorists and, because we are progressives rather than conservatives, we surely need to know both sides of the story.

I was in Kuta, Bali in 2000 and I saw a place that surprised the sh*t out of me. I remember someone saying Bali was 'somewhere Australians came to wipe their arses once a year' and it wasn't far from the truth. What had been a paradise corner of a paradise island had received the full 'globalisation' treatment. Examples? How's about being unable to literally walk down the road 20 yards after without being offered a prostitute. These girls (all young) weren't available to locals, they were there for the tourists. How’s about bars that you could only go in if you were western? How’s about seeing a beautiful place now littered with the same filth you'd see in any western city?

The story that sticks out most is the time my brother came back from the toilet looking white. He had accidentally walked into a cubicle and saw a 12 year old local boy sucking off a 60 year old fat white man. Remember, everyone knew that there are an awful lot of very devout Muslims around and knew exactly what they thought of all this.

The point I making is that these aren't surprise problems. Westerners have exploited the poverty of countries like Bali for decades, turning people into metaphorical toilet roll. Funnily enough, some locals have started resenting it. I see the same reaction from the locals as I do when I read the piece posted today about Columbine – the ‘little’ people taking their power back. And, like Columbine, if they’d been treated differently from the start we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

People can say tourism is how Bali makes most money (and it is) but the truth is they somehow survived centuries without tourism. The west has imposed it's values on places like Bali, demanded they conform to western governmental and fiscal policies and then sold them short by not offering a way into the global economy other than selling themselves and their children into a life of forced servitude. No surprise here though. What else have they got we might want?

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yellowdogdem
Posted by: DCH on Oct 3, 2005 3:48 AM   
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Ms. Huffington is so correct. Going to jail has become in vogue and leads to publicity and book deals. There is no precedent for the impeachable offences that this administration has engaged in with the aid of the non reporting of incidents prior to the "war" against a third world country.
The strategic military conduct of this fiasco makes me eternally grateful that we are not in North Korea. It is abundantly clear that some Generals have become puppets.

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The Jihad in Indonesia was declared in 1281.
Posted by: timtufuga on Oct 3, 2005 9:47 AM   
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I could not help but notice your interesting comments about the most recent establishment of a Islamic terrorist organisation in 1993, known as the Jemaah Islamiyah network. I have considered the historical amnesia by most non-Indonesians to the regional geo-political and religious paroyxsm, which seems to deny the contextual value of history and place. The age old conflict between religions, as gauged within the context of dynamic forces which is changing, and threatening to change, the elements of culture within the region. In the historical conflict of religious jihad, the Muslims, which accounts for 85% of Indonesia's 230 million people, have always considered Bali, with its three million Hindi-Buddhists, as a lifelong enemy. How far does this conflict go? A millenia of socio-political and religious upheavel.

Perhaps, the most pervasive influence of Balinese culture maybe significantly represented with its Hindu-Buddhist religion, which has been around since 425 AD. Hindu temples were built in 1258 in Sumatra and Jambi. The Singharasi Kingdom takes Bali under Kertanegara in 1268 and promotes Hinduism and Buddhism. (A delegation from Jambi (Sumatra) would beseech Kublai Khan to intervene in domestic affairs, and would consider usurping the Singharasi kingdom, and their Hindi influences in the region). Insodoing, the first elemental influences of the Islamics would filter into the region. By 1297, Sumatra would convert into Islam and establishes the first Sultan, Sultan Malek Saleh, within the region. In 425, the Buddhist influence was introduced into Sumatra, by 1297, this religion is diminished, with the sprading of the Islamic faith into the region.

In 2005, the Balinese are still reluctant to embrace Muhamud and, the Islamic Allah, and are still being punished for it today.

Judeo-Christianity was a recent introduction into the region, which can be be as recent as the first Spaniards into the region intrducing the Saint Francis Xavier version, of the Catholic church in 1526, primarily in the Philipines, and then onto Indonesia. The Dutch introduced the Protestant faith, in 1615 with the Vareenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC), establishing the Dutch Reform Church.

The war on terror, is merely a new version of religious and cultural conflict that is a continuation of cultural historical paroxysms within Indonesian regional development.

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Five Decades of Darul Islam?
Posted by: La Femme Nikita on Oct 3, 2005 11:25 AM   
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That's more than my lifespan!

"JI has historical and ideological links to an older Indonesian militant group, the Darul Islam, notes Sidney Jones, one of the world's leading authorities on the militant group, in a recent report by the International Crisis Group (ICG). "Darul Islam's ability to adapt and survive over the past five decades suggests Indonesia is unlikely to eradicate JI completely," she wrote."

I know a girl from Indonesia. Now I know why folks from Indonesia come to America. Cause their country AINT SAFE.

"I received information at the time that terrorists were planning an action in Jakarta and that explosives were ready," President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said late Saturday. Mr. Yudhoyono and other antiterrorists officials had expected any attacks to be in the capital, Jakarta, and before the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan, which begins on Oct. 5."

Thanks for the Ramadan date. I live and converse with Muslims, in fact am close friends with one, and it helps to know their holy days. I wrote this down on my calender. I hope with the inception of Ramadan things calm down. I don't see how any one can equate fasting and suicide and murder in their minds...

"Accounts from jailed JI members have given authorities a detailed picture of the organization and its goals. Nasir Abas, a former JI member now in jail, provided organizational charts of JI in a recent book, along with extensive descriptions of its recruitment methods and leaders. JI, he wrote, is seeking to create a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia, aiming to unite Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore, and the southern Philippines."
Great so this phenomenon is in the Philippines too? I know militant Filipinos, used to live with one. Their anger towards the US is no joke, towards whitey in general...This is scary. Real scary. These folks will only be satisfied with blood and vengenance. What about apology? Will that not work? Will only utter mayhem satisfy the terrorists?

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Afghanistan and the Soviet Union
Posted by: La Femme Nikita on Oct 3, 2005 11:25 AM   
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"Southeast Asian police say that Bashir founded JI in Malaysia in 1993, and assumed leadership of the organization in 1999. He also is alleged to have helped to develop the organization while he was in exile in Malaysia in the 1980s, after fleeing Indonesia. Police say that he was helped by Hambali - a veteran of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s and 1990s - who helped to build JI into a terrorist organization. He drew on lessons from Afghanistan and also drew inspiration from Al Qaeda."

Great. More connections to Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. Hey anarchists and civil war advocates. You see this? Is this what you want? This kind of blood and violence? Is this what you are asking for on American soil? I hope not.

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Typical American Egocentric Journalism
Posted by: TassieDevil on Oct 3, 2005 3:37 PM   
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First and foremost, Gareth Evens was never an Australian Prime Minister. He was a Senator and from memory his highest posting was Attorney General.
Second, why can't Americans name the country, other than America, that have association with things.
The video - mobile phone shots were taken by Australians. It is a very cheap holiday destination for Australians. It is believed that Australians are being targeted in Indonesia by terrorists for our involvement in the Iraqi war, because we are very vulnerable there, and not so on our home soil.
The Balanese people have been pleading with Australians to continue to come to their Island, or they will go broke.
Ah but if it isn't American, it doesn't exist....right?

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A Caliphate that would include Australia
Posted by: timtufuga on Oct 8, 2005 7:59 AM   
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The caliphate for South East Asia may be perceived a possiblity by Jihadis from Indonesia and perhaps with a future vision of religious encroachment into Australia may be considered a possibility by some deluded visionaries, however, the lessons of history will reveal that the impact of belicose engagements throughout the historical religious evolutionary process has seen the wax and wane of religious empire, between the two most belicose religions and on the ledger of who has won the most religious wars throughout recorded history the last Muslim empire was the Ottoman Empire, since the twentieth century to the present, the Islamic world has been subordinated and subjugated by the overwhelming forces of Judeo-Christian western liberal democracies. At its head of this purported Zionist conspiracy is the protector of Israel, America. The simplicity of global religious and nascent empire building can not discount the three most fundamental global power sources, religious hegemony, via, Judeo-Christian dominance in all forums in geo-political spheres; economic and military hegemony, vai American hegemonic leadership since world war two; finally, the political leadersip power base being rooted on American soil, the United Nations headquarters, with the Security Council, being rooted in New York City.
The Israeli State has always been considered as the focal basis of Jihadi interests, with the Palestinian question being the age old theatre of conflict ever since. The romance of the noble crusades are still being fought today, and this Jihad will not disappear until a Caliphate that will include Australia emerges, then 'pigs will grow wings and fly' back to Ataturk, and the remnants of the Ottomen.

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Missing some points in Bali
Posted by: Nanci on Oct 8, 2005 11:56 AM   
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With all due respect, I found your article saddly recycling a lot of mainstream media disinformation.

OK, so you got the Garth Evans as Prime Minister wrong. Perhaps you can delve a bit deeper on the rest of the items you recycled as well.

First of all regarding Abu Bakar Bashir, if you actually look at the history of events regarding his arrest and subsequent trials you could stop recycling the unbased claims made about him in the scare-media! Not only has he maintained his innocence throughout, but the recent sentence against him was a huge loss for those prosecuting him. They had to drop all but one of the close to 20 charges they brought against him this year and the only thing the court actually found him guilty of was "failing to prevent" the October 2002 bombings in Bali.

Just like your article, the mainstream media in Australia ran the headline the next day, "Bashir Guilty" without going into any detail!

Bashir himself continues to say that the US and Australian governments are pushing the Indonesian government to pin something on him. I would bet that finding him guilty of 'failing to prevent' the first Bali Bomb was intended to appease those governments.

You say in you article that Java and Bali have been enemies for centuries. Surely, a deeper investigation of the last 200 years actually shows that after a period of territorial conflict (rather than religous) prior to Dutch colonialism, for centuries the tolerance between these two peoples, seperated by less than a mile of ocean, has been the outstanding feature. Balinese Hinduism iscludes many Buddhist principles and tolerance is practiced here towards all, even the Javanese who move here and take their jobs.

More on this if you care to read "Missing some points in Bali 2"

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Missing some points in Bali 2
Posted by: Nanci on Oct 8, 2005 11:57 AM   
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I live in Bali and here, even in Kuta, Javanese and Balinese work side by side in marketplaces, tourist venues and everywhere else. Mosques are in prominent places throughout the island and often, the local Balinese Hindus and local Muslims combine their efforts to work towards community goals or celebrate certain events.

I believe the story you are overlooking is the timing of the Bali bombs and the events in the Australian Government's march to keep up with G.Bush.

I was living in Austrlia in 2001 and when the 9/11 tragedy in NYC occurred, Australians were saddened but mostly believed it was something that could happen in America, but not in Australia. As the tempo stepped up and John Howard was preparing to back the US in the war in Iraq, most Australians couldn't see the point of their military getting involved.

Then, BOOM - A Bomb in Bali with 88 Australians killed and the Aus media took it for all it was worth. "Our 9/11" and other horrible headlines filled the papers for months. Very little mention was made of the huge number of Indonesians that died or the tourists from other countries that made up the other 114 deaths from that bomb.

Subsequently, John Howard convinces the Australian public that terrorism is their problem, too. And Australians go off to Iraq.

As you so well point out, the Indonesian Police have made numerous arrests since then and Bali has been rebuilding.

Well, in the week before this 2nd Bali bomb, Australia has proposed and moved forward to put new "terrorist" laws into place which some commentators were calling "draconian." And then, BOOM - Another Bomb in Bali!

Once again, the earliest reports included comments from Australia's foreign minister, even though tourists from other countries were on the first death list and many more Indonesians as well.

Watchful people in the US are starting to connect the dots - terrorist tragedies and alerts timed to deflect attention from bad news for Bush or to forward the neo-con agenda.

Rather than rehash a lot of "mad muslim" crap regarding this sad event for the beautiful island and people of Bali, who will now lose jobs and bussinesses...how about looking a bit deeper into the unexplained and totally uncharacteristic events surrounding this tragedy.

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