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Democrats Split on Roberts Nomination

By David Corn, The Nation. Posted September 22, 2005.


Just like Iraq, once again the Democrats are splitting on an issue that its most ardent supporters care greatly about. How much alienation can the party afford now?
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What's a Democrat to do?

On September 20, Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid issued a passionate statement denouncing the nomination of John Roberts Jr. as chief justice of the Supreme Court. He said he would vote against Roberts, and he pointed to memos Roberts had written in the 1980s in which Roberts took hard-edged conservative stances on civil rights, privacy issues and other matters. Reid also cited the Bush administration's refusal to release memos Roberts had written when he served in the solicitor general's office during the first Bush administration. "We should only vote to confirm this nominee if we are absolutely positive that he is the right person" for the post, Reid said. His position was unambiguous.

On September 21, Senator Patrick Leahy, the ranking Democrat of the judiciary committee, declared that he would vote for Roberts. Leahy released a lengthy statement that could have justified either a nay or aye vote. He said he was "extremely disappointed by the lack of cooperation from the Administration....The Bush administration treated senators' requests for information with little respect. Instead, for the first time in my memory, they grafted exceptions from the Freedom of Information Act to limit their response to Senators' requests for information. They stonewalled entirely the narrowly tailored request for work papers from 16 significant cases John Roberts handled when he was the principal deputy to Kenneth Starr at the Solicitor General's office during the President's father's administration." Leahy also complained that Roberts "disserviced himself" by being tight-lipped about his judicial views during his confirmation hearings. And Leahy voiced concern about where Roberts would lead the court:

Judge Roberts's work in the Reagan and Bush Justice Departments as well as his formative period in the Reagan White House seem to have led him to a philosophy of significant deference to presidential authority.....Maybe this deference was a principal basis on which this President chose him....This is a fundamental question. We know that we are in a period in which the Executive has a complicit and compliant Republican Congress that refuses to serve as a check or balance. Without the courts to fulfill that constitutional role, excess will continue, and the balance will be tilted.

But Leahy put aside these and other concerns. Why? Because he believes "Roberts is a man of integrity." He explained:

I can only take him at his word that he does not have an ideological agenda. For me, a vote to confirm requires faith that the words he spoke to us have meaning. I can only take him at his word that he will steer the court to serve as an appropriate check on potential abuses of presidential power. I respect those who have come to different conclusions, and I readily acknowledge the unknowable at this moment, that perhaps they are right and I am wrong. Only time will tell.

"Only time will tell" is not much of a bone to toss to the Democratic base, which has organized against Roberts and yearns for a fight. Once again, the Democrats are splitting on an issue that its most ardent supporters care much about. Just like Iraq. Ted Kennedy (no surprise) is voting against Roberts. So is John Kerry. Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, is voting for Bush's pick. Some progressive bloggers have tried to target Baucus, depicting him as a Democratic turncoat. Are they now going to do the same with Leahy, an otherwise reliable liberal? And can any Democrat who wants to run in 2008 vote to confirm Roberts? There is much anticipation regarding Hillary Clinton's vote. Perhaps Leahy has given her the cover she needs to vote for Roberts. Still, imagine the debate during the Democratic presidential primaries of 2008 if Roberts reaches the court and then weakens abortion rights. Candidates who voted for Roberts could expect to face harsh questions from candidates who opposed Roberts as well as from potential supporters and voters.


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David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation and author of "The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception." He writes a blog at davidcorn.com.

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Why don't they get it?
Posted by: jazzyjer on Sep 22, 2005 4:29 AM   
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It's pretty discouraging out here in the sticks, where some things seem self-evident, to see the DC pols not getting it. Bush is sinking into his own quicksand, is more and more clerly an idiot, has lost majority support in the country, the GOP agenda has been exposed by Katrina to be fraudulent and destructive, yet the Beltway Dems are still afraid of opposing the president.

Every Dem senator should vote against Roberts, even without a noisy, ugly fight. When Roe is no longer the law of the land, it should be only Republicans who have to face a suddenly enraged electorate, the 75 percent or so of Americans who favor at least limited abortion rights. (It will be the next new justice who provides the tipping point, but Roberts will be right there, and probably would assign himself the opinion.)

That should be pretty obvious even in DC, yet the Dems seem to prefer finding a new wrist to slit rather than trying to provide real leadership.

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» RE: Why don't they get it? Posted by: sbartram
The Democratic "Leadership"
Posted by: dkm on Sep 22, 2005 4:39 AM   
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What is with these people!!?!! Are they totally out of the loop? Don't they read the newspapers either? Bush, despite his avowals, keeps close watch on the polls. Why can't the Democrats do the same?

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Split in Democrats and One Party Sytem
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 22, 2005 4:58 AM   
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The fact that some Democrats are supporting the Roberts appoinment is further proof that America is a one party system. Such an outrageous appointment might have been universally condemned by the Democrats if their ideology were significantly different from the Republicans. It's not those who oppose Roberts who are significant, it is the fact that any Democrat could support the nomination.

As for Iraq, the lack of a consenual response from the Democrats again reflects the similarity of the two parties. The fact that the war was a war crime and the military ovccupation is a war crime (as documented in my latest book: "Lyimg for Empire: How to commit War Crimes with a Straight Face") you might expect stronger opposition by the Democrats.

As a basically one-party state, it is possible to conclude that democracy is dead in America.

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Practice Makes Perfect
Posted by: hagwind on Sep 22, 2005 5:07 AM   
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If only more Democrats realized that leadership skills are not conferred by genes, gods, or luck! Start small, Senator Leahy, but start NOW: re-examine that public statement (which boils down to "based on the documents they will release, I think Roberts is a man of integrity, and that's all it takes to be Chief Justice"), say you realize you could have done better, and announce you're going to vote NO.

C'mon, Democrats. Today is the first day of the rest of your term. The whole world may not be watching, but plenty of us are.

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Demercons and Republicats
Posted by: raido on Sep 22, 2005 5:11 AM   
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They are interchangeable, REALLY! What it boils down to is the people who are supposed to represent women, the poor and/or people of color (there is a huge privilage to being white in the Country) do it through the eyes of someone who can NOT relate to these folks and therefore often vote in a manner that furthers their ability to maintain the status quo, or worse tip the scales in favor of rich, white, men.

For the most part, our legislative branch is for sale, much like the judical system will be. Nothing like having all three branches of govt. in your pocket- a true empire with greedy assholes in power. Our Country is much like others, except for the people still believe in and (at least remotely) trust the govt to to protect them... I think those days were gone with FDR. However, if a class-traitor like FDR came around again- maybe we could salvage what the Bush's and their croonies have done in raping this Country of it's integrity, resources, and hope!

Raidorune

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I swear, the Democrats go committing suicide like depressed people in the FAR EAST !
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 22, 2005 6:03 AM   
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Like George Lakoff said, the Democrats are suffering from massive hypocognition. I'd add however that they're also suffering from massive hypercognition.

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» RE: It Puzzled Me Too ... Posted by: AdamSelene11726
DOG AND PONY SHOW: LEAHY JUST BARKED
Posted by: ssegallmd on Sep 22, 2005 6:26 AM   
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Even if the Democrats behavior was stellar and exemplary, it wouldn't change the course of events to follow, and they all realize this by now. The Federal government belongs to the neocons now, not the American people, and any Democrat who wants to keep his job needs to trash any ideological impediments and campaign to the Republicans who will, through their use of media smears and paperless ballot boxes, punish any Democrats who offend them while allowing a few to hang around as stage props in their stage production of democracy.

Leahy is simply not the man I thought that he was or that he used to be. This defection is a clear audition for a part in the Republican theater. Some Senators, perhaps Kennedy and Reid will turn out to have more character, but they will go down in flames as a show of strength by the neocons just as they exterminated Daschle for having the audacity to defy their au-thor-i-tay in '02.

The very powerful, popular and well-know Democrats Illinois Representative Dan Rostenkowski, chair of the all powerful Ways and Means Committee, and Senator Jim Sasser, the would be next Senate majority leader, suffered the same fate in '94 in the wake of the Gingrich hubris. The former was convicted of mail fraud charges in the style of the Clinton witch-hunt half a decade later, and the latter was beaten by the then unknown and uncharismatic Bill Frist. You figure it out.

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Robert's nomination should trigger Democratic filibuster
Posted by: sausage on Sep 22, 2005 6:42 AM   
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A friend of mine told me he too believes Roberts"...does not have an ideological agenda." He, naively I believe, said that Roberts could turn out to be another Earl Warren--you know the staunch conservative who, once he's on the Supreme Court Bench, presides over what many consider one of the most liberal courts in US history.

I demurred.

Roberts' personal history is one of pampered privilege right out of the gate. His official Republican biographies like to point out that he worked summers at an Indiana steel mill during his high school days, neglecting the fact that his daddy was a top exec at same.

He has been groomed from early on to represent the interests of America's investing class and is steeped in the neo-laissez faire capitalist philosophy of Milton J. Friedman.

But more than this it is Roberts' willingness to lay the framework for Ronald Reagan's circumvention of federal laws that lead to the Iran-Contra scandal. Undoubtedly the incriminating evidence is to be found in the Reagan-era documents the White House refuses to hand over to Congressional Democrats.


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The Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism (1)
Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 22, 2005 6:46 AM   
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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

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The Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism (2)
Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 22, 2005 6:48 AM   
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9. Corporate Power is protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
(Source: The Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism, Dr. Lawrence Britt, Spring 2003, Free Inquiry)

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"Democrats' Demo-crap"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 22, 2005 8:39 AM   
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Why in hell does anyone take candidates "at their word" in these confirmation hearings? What is their "word" worth, when they can lie through their teeth about their views and then claim later that they "had a change of heart"?

These hearings should be almost completely weighted toward documented evidence of past behavior, and if that evidence is not forthcoming, vote the candidates down, period!

Beyond that, the Democrats, my party for thirty years, are these days so loosy-goosy and confused that it would take them two weeks to agree on how to make coffee. When they walk into Congress, you can almost hear the sloshing of the gell-o where their spines used to be.

At least by voting down that bug-eyed mime Roberts, Sen. Reid is showing a little gumption; but Leahy? He's such a wuss that I'm surprised he hasn't attempted that yoga-like physical maneuver that Cheney suggested to him some weeks ago – after all, isn't anything the Repuglicans suggest to the Democrats understood by them to be an order?

Looks like the old "divide and conquer" technique is working – because the Democrats make it sooo easy. . . .

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rover
Posted by: Roverton on Sep 22, 2005 8:45 AM   
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Democrats, you have betrayed us. Our once great societies downfall will be in no small part due to your cowardice!

IF YOU ARE STILL MAKING YOUR POSITION IN OFFICE A "CAREER" NOW, YOU'VE ALREADY BLOWN IT IN ADVANCE!

RESCUE US DAMNIT! DO SOMETHING REAL!!! DON'T LEAVE IT ALL UP TO US!!!!!! STOP HURTING US!!! WE'RE YOUR FAMILY TOO!!!

IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT YOUR KIDS FUTURE IN POLITICS.

WHAT POLITICS, ANYWAY? WE'RE BEING HARVESTED HERE.

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Send him your disapproval
Posted by: soosano on Sep 22, 2005 8:59 AM   
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I know it's not really much, especially since I'm not from Vermont, but I just sent Senator Leahy a note expressing my disappointment with his decision and I felt a little better. You should tell him how much he sucks:

senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov

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There IS no Democratic opposition
Posted by: cosmicslop on Sep 22, 2005 9:04 AM   
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We, Americans, often have a hard time admitting there is an elephant in the room...even as we step ever more gingerly around the massive piles of droppings...

The fact of the matter is, the neocons figured out a really smart strategy a long time ago: Why try and fight the Democrats ...when it would be so much easier to simply COOPT the party. So what they do is they get guys like Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman et al... to RUN as Democrats...and they have now created the "opposition" party of their choice. One which is not in fact in opposition.

In other words, these are not Democrats... they just play ones on TV.

And this is done DELIBERATELY.

NewsFlash: Bill and Hillary are in that same club. Doesn't it seem even a LITTLE odd that Bill would be tramping around the country tied to the hip with Republicans? After what they did to him...? Of COURSE it's odd... until you actually start looking at what Clinton DID during his tenure as President:

- Abolished welfare.
- Expanded the Prison Industrial complex.
- Helped send jobs overseas for business via NAFTA
- Presided over massive expansion in the police funding
- Generally allowed the moving of the political debate to the "center"...which is another way of saying in a "rightward" direction...

We have to stop falling for the OKEY DOKE....

Why do you think Gore never challenged Bush's FIRST theft of the White House...?

Why do you think NOT ONE Dem senator was willing to join with the Congressional Black Caucus in protesting the election results?

Why do you think Kerry was so quick to concede?

Why do you think Gore chose Lieberman as a running mate?

Why do you think Democrats do not oppose the war in Congress?

Why is Hillary all of a sudden backing down on choice?

Come ON, people... it's so obvious.

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Focus on the winnable
Posted by: chaoslegs on Sep 22, 2005 9:09 AM   
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Lets just take a lesson from the right and hammer home the message that Roberts has no ethics!

He was being interviewed about supreme court appointment while judging the Ahmed Hamdan case which was found in favor of the White House 4 days before he was selected to replace Justice O'Connor. Had this been a Clinton appointment, do you think it would have been buried by the media? No, we would be hearing about it 24/7 and it wouldn't go away.

Slate did the original piece, which I can't locate right now, but The Nation did the editorial that brought it to my attention.

So if the "fine legal mind" that so many use to describe Justice Roberts is truly there, then what happened to his ethical/moral center. Probably with Dubya's Vietnam Era service in Alabama, AWOL.

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It's time to foster a viable third party!
Posted by: humanity101 on Sep 22, 2005 5:57 PM   
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Imagine all the money MoveOne.org and the likes have flushed down the toilet in supporting the spine-less pathetic democrats. They are so cowardly to the point of being pathetic and disgusting. They have the whole Fox News gang slap them around like pathetic idiots. We have seen clearly the Democrats cannot grow a backbone even with embryonic stem cells. They are so pathetic that Republicans rule with absolute power. They gave the Republicans so much confidence that they've started to work to replace Evolution with Creationism and reason with faith. So why the hell are we still supporting them. They are ruining 200 years of American progress. Let's form/revive a viable third party called the Progressive Party. When the dam thing keeps breaking, don't fix it. Let's work on a real grass-root party. It is absolutely time to dump the idiotic Washington Democrats. Let's flush them down the toilet altogether.

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The entire Legislature Branch of Government is the problem
Posted by: ftorres on Sep 26, 2005 1:06 PM   
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The problem with the voting systems is there are no checks and balances. No accountability. Once the votes are counted (and in most cases, even before that), many of these politicians sell themselves to the highest bidders.

Washington becomes like a "bovine feed lot yard" (Refering to Lee Pitts article). The only difference is, cattle are not being auctioned (although the smell is the same), only politicians selling themselves to the highest corporate bidders!

Until, we the people, are given political reforms, the same group of politicians, the same old corrupted system, and the same old easily intimidated Democratic Party (who seem to have lost it's purpose to exist), will remain intact.
This is what is called "the good old white boys club!"

Many of these individuals should be in jailed instead of running our governmen

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