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The Shame of Blaming the Victims

By Amanda Marcotte, AlterNet. Posted September 16, 2005.


In a desperate attempt to protect the president, the right wing has resorted to blaming the victims.

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Talk about a flip-flop. Last year progressives were berated for embracing the "Anybody But Bush" philosophy; these days, after Bush's miserable failure of leadership leading up to and during the Katrina catastrophe, the right-wing opinion machine is a true aficionado of the ABB philosophy -- so long as it's Anybody But Bush accepting the blame for his failures.

Right-wing pundits and bloggers have sought to keep things neatly partisan and make the "blame game" a fight between local Democratic officials and federal Republicans. Now, however, many are giving in to the irresistible temptation to find even smaller, more powerless victims: the ordinary people of New Orleans who suffered the most.

In pursuit of this goal, characterizations of the citizens of New Orleans have been rapidly evolving as the punditry searches for just the right race-tinged label that will stick to them and take the blame off Bush. Here's a basic timeline of this evolution.

The early days when looting was the real problem

In the early days when it became clear that, like some bizarro King Midas, Bush was going to screw up yet again, the right-wing punditry ducked into spin mode. Blaming the victim is par for the course, but given the severity and immediacy of the situation, the right wing punditry resorted to the comfortable, if unsophisticated, racist stereotype of the hurricane victims as a bunch of criminals and gangsters, out trying to steal from the white man.

True to reputation, Michelle Malkin was first out of the racist rumor-mongering box, starting a long blog post on August 30 detailing every rumor or semi-news item that portrayed Katrina's victims as a crowd intent on stealing, rioting and killing. Having established to her own satisfaction that the chaos in New Orleans was due to criminality more than anything, she followed up with an August 31 post wondering if "law and order" could be restored -- clearly more worried about a few criminals getting away something than for the immediate safety of the victims themselves.

With the news media and right wing bloggers already excited about the looting, Peggy Noonan just couldn't contain herself, openly fantasizing about shooting looters on sight -- without specifying just who and what constitutes a "looter" of course. Uncharitable readers of Noonan's fantasy suggested that "looters" was code for anyone black and carrying something, though Noonan tried to make it clear that a looter should be defined only as someone carrying something expensive. Although the national disgrace was already apparent, Noonan chose to focus on looters rather than on the fact that thousands of people were stuck in a hellhole with no immediate relief or escape. But that sort of thing isn't important until we deal with the disgrace that is a few stolen TV sets.

The looting narrative reached its climax with Rich Lowry's article chastising the entire population of New Orleans for the crimes of the few, turning it into a moral lesson on how the government has no business helping until black people who take stuff that may or may not belong to white people cease to do so. Indeed, we can rest assured that the people suffering from dehydration and degradation in the Superdome and Convention Center while waiting for government help that seemed like it would never come would surely understand Lowry's point -- indeed, how could they be helped when there were TVs out there in grave danger of being stolen?

Phase II: Don't call us racist! We want to help the hustle the survivors out of town, after all

P.C. liberals are such whiners. Just because right wing pundits tried to distract from Bush's failures during Hurricane Katrina by drumming up wild fantasies about getting all vigilante on some poor black people, it doesn't make them racist. Not in the slightest. In fact, they're quite eager to demonstrate how they're going to help the largely black and impoverished population of New Orleans that had to be evacuated in total chaos, by helping relieve them of their land so that it can be developed for wealthier folks. That way they don't have to worry their heads about ever coming home again.

Of all the people who defensively claimed right wingers are not racist just because of a few lavish fantasies of vigilantism, my favorite has got to be Mary Katharine Ham. Take this gem:

I, Mary Katharine Ham, endorse the saving of all people left in New Orleans regardless of race.
Too bad Ham wasn't around for the civil rights movement of the 60s -- all that unpleasantness could have been avoided by her gracious announcement that she doesn't want all black people to drown to death. Indeed, generous hearts like hers are hard to come by. I have to admit, I like her especially for mentioning me in another post from September 6 where she went a step further in proving that the right is not racist. After all, not only does she not wish death on every black person in New Orleans, but she has actual photos of white and black people touching each other. Case closed.

Unfortunately, not everyone is as delightful as Ham. Latecomer Jonah Goldberg weighed in as late as September 9 on the issue of racism in the Katrina debacle. He smugly pointed out that as long as the right wing refused to talk about their opportunistic racist stereotyping or suspiciously lax response to Katrina, the left was having a monologue, not a dialogue. Of course, the fact that many right wing pundits and bloggers and even politicians like Condi Rice were addressing the subject of racism, if only to deny it openly, sort of disproved Goldberg's pet theory that only the left was talking about race. However, it remains true that by stubbornly refusing to deal with the issue the right is effectively blocking any productive change -- so Goldberg gets brownie points for that.

While Goldberg didn't want a dialogue on race and class, other right wing pundits and politicians were less reluctant. Denny Hastert jumped in feet first and all but came out and suggested that the best way to fix the persistent problem of poverty in New Orleans is to simply make it too hard for poor people to live there. Baton Rouge's Representative Baker suggested that the hurricane did the hard work of cleaning up low income housing for him. Jimmy Reiss of the New Orleans Business Council suggested that this was a good time to rebuild the city in various ways, including "demographically," a phrasing that wasn't up to snuff in the subtlety department. Plenty of writers picked up on the idea of making permanent the diaspora of the New Orleans poor, including Greg Perry, Eric Zorn, Jack Kemp, and David Brooks (hough he bungles it by not being so heartless as to suggest that people shouldn't return to the city they call home.).

Phase III: We give up -- Time to moralize and talk about welfare "dependency"

Liberals should have taken a moment to enjoy the sight of conservatives scrambling to show pictures of white people touching black people and trying to sell the idea that bulldozing people's homes to build gated communities is "compassionate" conservatism. As it became clear that the public was going to hold Bush responsible for a) not getting people out of New Orleans before the storm and b) letting people rot there for days without help, the right wing punditry realized that nice-sounding language that imitated compassion and hope for racial harmony had to be sacrificed to protect the President. Blaming the victim became the order of the day and thus one of the ugliest and most effective right wing bogeymen was whipped out to do the job -- the Welfare Queen!

The Welfare Queen is an oldie-but-goodie. Few stereotypes have this kind of versatility. Truly, she is like a jazz standard for conservatives -- each one can play his/her pet issue off this stereotype like an old pro. Better yet, being a mythological creature that needs only to be invoked and not proven, conservatives can rant and rave about her without actually addressing anything like what welfare really has to do with Bush's inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina.

Conservatives who pride themselves on being the surviving type, despite having never actually had to test this by going hungry for a day, much less trudging through sewage to sleep with thousands in an inadequate shelter, were all over blaming the victims of Katrina for their "dependency" on the government to save them. Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) exemplifies this self-delusion in an article chastising victims for not having a huge sack with a week's worth of supplies on hand just in case. I have to admit, I'm dying to get into his house to double check whether he does in fact have such a case all packed and up-to-date.

As it became more clear that people remained in New Orleans because they were too poor to leave, the talking points shifted to blaming people for being poor. By September 10, Bill O'Reilly and the fine folks at Townhall felt comfortable lecturing the dead and the stranded that if they didn't want to be killed or ruined by a hurricane, they should have just quit being so poor.

But it was the news that the government decided to give money to the survivors directly, instead of filtering it through humiliating and money-wasting welfare programs, that really set them off -- the Welfare Queen is getting away with something! To the Batmobile! Dan Mitchell of Townhall suggested that the cards were "rewards" for losing everything you had in the hurricane. Damn those crafty Welfare Queens and their plots to get hurricanes to nearly kill them, just so they can get their hands on $2,000. The Daily News breathlessly reported rumors of those Welfare Queens obtaining Louis Vuitton purses.

In a way, the devious Welfare Queen myths are just the flipside of the "looting" stories. This isn't about the President leaving the citizenry of a major American city to die in a hurricane! No, this is a story of black people obtaining expensive goods that the teller of the story deems them unworthy of owning.

Now that the Welfare Queen narrative has become the prominent way of blaming the victim instead of blaming the federal government for the disaster of Katrina, the word is out that it's open season on the victims. Everyone has to have a piece of them and hang their pet issue around the necks of the already victimized populace of New Orleans. Some right wingers are already testing the waters to see if it's okay to use sexual shame against the victims of Katrina by implying that they only have themselves to blame for being single mothers.

George Will is touting the line that the tragedy of Katrina could have been prevented by people marrying and having children the way he tells them to. How it is that married couples in the Superdome could have gotten water, food and evacuation vehicles there faster need not be explained. Laying the blame for Katrina on the shoulders of the mythological Welfare Queen and other Republican bogeymen looks like it's shaping up to be the primary distraction from laying the blame at the feet of those in the federal government who actually had power to help but didn't. The important thing is getting everyone in a tizzy over those awful hurricane victims who dare to believe that they deserve rescue just because they need it.

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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the blog Pandagon.

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Aussie journalists join the game
Posted by: karsoe on Sep 16, 2005 12:47 AM   
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Even right-wing "journalists" in Australia have been getting in on the act of Katrina victim-bashing. Anita Quigley, writing in the Daily Telegraph (a Murdoch publication), blames Aussie tourists for their own plight.

One was residing in jail at the time, having been arrested the previous night for being drunk failing to leave a bar when ordered. I daresay his ability to leave New Orleans was somewhat hampered by his incarceration.

Cheers,
Paul C.
Sydney, Australia

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Katrina tourists courted trouble
Anita Quigley

September 10, 2005

How timely was a survey released this week that found Australians are not shy when it comes to complaining when they travel overseas. I wonder if it included the Aussie holidaymakers caught up in the Hurricane Katrina disaster?

Staying when a state of emergency is declared is irresponsible. Then whingeing about being abandoned by the Australian Government is outrageously passing the buck.

What were these backpackers hoping for – another great holiday story such as "When I survived the hurricane in New Orleans" to regale friends with back home?

And why is that so many others – aside from the poor, sick and elderly – could manage to get out of New Orleans when a bunch of fit Australian travellers couldn't? Tourists who presumably had credit cards and traveller's cheques to pay for a bus, train or flight out. Travel is all about adventure. Getting caught in tsunamis and earthquakes are unavoidable tragedies, but deliberately sitting out a hurricane is not.

As strong as the southern drawl is, it is inexcusable to say they weren't aware the hurricane was coming – given their youth, I presume all are of good hearing and sight to listen to the radio, read a newspaper and watch the television.

Of course even if they weren't glued to the news, it must have been the talk of the town plus, by their own admission, most of those trapped in the Louisiana Superdome had emailed their families in the days leading up to Katrina hitting alerting them to that fact they were heading towards the storm, in spite of all the warnings.

The US authorities had their hands full dealing – albeit badly – with their own people to rescue. They didn't need to add a bunch of stupid Australian holidaymakers to the equation.

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There Is A Class War
Posted by: Sandra on Sep 16, 2005 6:39 AM   
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There is a class war going on in this country. The class war started against the poor, those on welfare, and anybody who's not white, but through the free trade economic policies of this country it has broadened to include the people in the middle class. There are more of us than there are the top 1% and the conservatives. We have to take back control of the country. These people aren't going to listen to reason because they don't give a shit. It's all about money and power. They are using religious fools and patriotic fools to further their agenda. This makes me think of the movie "Network". We should all be mad as hell and we're not willing to take it anymore.

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There Is A Class War
Posted by: Sandra on Sep 16, 2005 6:43 AM   
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There is a class war going on in this country. The class war started against the poor, those on welfare, and anybody who's not white, but through the free trade economic policies of this country it has broadened to include the people in the middle class. Through social policies it has also broadended to include anybody who's not right wing Christian and heterosexual. There are more of us than there are the top 1%, the conservatives, the mean spirted and the evil. We have to take back control of the country. These people aren't going to listen to reason because they don't give a shit. It's all about money and power. They are using religious fools and patriotic fools to further their agenda. This makes me think of the movie "Network". We should all be mad as hell and not willing to take it anymore.

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» RE: There Is A Class War Posted by: poonoggin
On Katrina, it's the tax cuts stupid
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 16, 2005 7:00 AM   
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It takes a lot of poor to support the wealthy
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Sep 16, 2005 8:13 AM   
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If everyone managed to live the designer lifestyles of the upper middle class, let alone the wealthy, we'd have wrecked the planet long ago. As times get a little tougher we'll need to strike a better balance. That means more poor people, a generally poorer working class and an upper crust of fabulous wealth with effortless access to everything the imagination can conjur.

Several years ago I read an article (which I regretably cannot attribute at this time) comparing the environmental impact of a middle class american family to that of a median income czech family. For each person supported in the manner to which the american family was accustomed the earth could sustain 80 in the lifestyle of the czech family.

But what if I wanted to live a thousand times better, or ten thousand times better, like some of our better known corporate and entertainment personalities. I'd need a thousand (or ten thousand) others to forgo these benefits. And I would have to somehow rationalize that all would be right in this world as long as I'm the one getting the ten thousand shares.

My double talk would have to resemble that of the abuser and the exploiter:
*It has to be this way because you're such a loser and I'm willing to do what it takes. *Now see what you've made me do? *If I weren't making a fortune from governmental largesse, where would you be working?

Suffice to say, the exploitation has to be psychological as well as financial and legal. If I can make off with your life savings by trickery, others will admire me. If I physically steal $20 from you, I stand to go to jail. If I want those ten thousand to refrain from giving me the Mussolini send-off, it behooves me to keep it this way. And to do that, I have to float that pile of crap indefinitely. I have to live it like I actually believe the rightfulness of it.

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Responsibility
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 16, 2005 8:19 AM   
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If you make everyone victims of their circumstances then you can justify giving more handouts and redistributing wealth. Hasn’t that been the “progressive” ideology for years? Rather than using your own individual time and resources to aid people, progressives want to make everyone pay into a big pot and then distribute the handout and collect the political capital in return. Here’s the problem: you have to keep people poor in order to continue to offer them handouts and continue to get their vote. How does that help people? Aren’t private contributions better than government handouts? Shouldn’t people be held responsible for their situation instead of chronic government dependence? Hasn’t anyone noticed that the majority of people that had the means to escape had learned to depend on themselves and not government? Yes, government failed them in a big way. But if they had been taught that government cannot be everywhere for everyone all of the time might they not have faired better in this situation? The federal government might have been in a position to do more for the 5 million residents affected in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama if it had been doing fewer things elsewhere. Rather than doing so many things so poorly, might government do greater good (and certainly less harm) if it just did less? Shouldn’t government stop being responsible for all of our ills and just stick to what it’s supposed to do; protect us from such catastrophes? Protecting us is the only clear authority given to the government in the constitution!

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'Take the Rich Off Welfare'
Posted by: namaste on Sep 16, 2005 9:16 AM   
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Come on - let us understand why people are poor and rich, understand why folks out there demonize those that do not have, understand that we as a society do not want to strike a balance in our communities to make sure that our neighbors do not live in abject poverty.

The people who receive the largest chunks of welfare (in the billions) are companies like Halliburton. They are carrion who live off of the bungling Bush White House whether it be Iraq or Katrina, they are making billions and have cart blanche to pay less than the living wage in order to complete their “task.” Then there are other companies such as the polluting plants and the oil companies that will receive the first response and the first dole. Do not be ignorant about this.

How about those huge "investment" companies waiting on the fringe to buy the only possession that some of the working poor had - their home - which they could not afford to pay insurance on with their minimum wage jobs catering to the rich. These companies manage to not pay certain taxes and will get special breaks for their "rebuilding" efforts. Pahleeze.

Do not blame the poor or let the spinners blame them. It is not the fault of the single mother that bodies of old and young are floating in NO (for weeks no less), that babies died of dehydration and the sick perished from lack of medicine - are you really that heartless? What of your "christian charity"? It seems to me that those who proclaim to be "christian" are the ones demonizing the poor instead of being the good Samaritan and helping. What would Jesus do - huh?

I am not blaming - just pointing some things out. I cannot help but be frustrated daily and certainly after reading the article by that fab white female of the right Jennifer Roback Morse wrote (or spewed)- is she really a woman?

Isn’t it funny how it all ends up either being the single mother's fault that disaster hits or that of the independent woman or "lesbians?" Heaven forbid that the alpha male in the White House should be blamed for anything.

Peace and Love to all.

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Sexual Shame and single mothers
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 16, 2005 11:27 AM   
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All right baseplate, Repulican troll, sensitized me to my 'drama' so I am going to try to reel it in, although I could play the part of 'Welfare Queen' for him, even though I am not one.

This article sickened me because I know it's true. Out in conservative Orthodox blog land, I found a post that nauseated me...I won't shame the author by posting it publicly, but let me tell you there are some really stupid people in this country.

This country is a cess pool of in-fighting. No wonder the global community has 'lost faith' in us. United States. Ha. That's a joke. Civil war is right. Only it is a war of words, not a war of guns, yet, although the Blackwater Mercernaries just might usher in Civil War II.

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One more thing
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 16, 2005 11:28 AM   
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I can't even read those conservative blogs they make me so sick.

Hats off to the neo-cons who can read our stuff...cause I sure as h**l can't read theirs.

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The Corporate elite and their war on America.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 16, 2005 11:29 AM   
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Corporate and personal sacrifice in WWII lifted the US to not only win the war in two very large theatres of operation, but elevated the US to become the premier industrial and most highly educated nation in the world. Composer and conductor Aaron Copeland's Fanfare for the Common Man comes to my senses when I think of this. That was then.

Currently, large corporations that call themselves American are now urging congress for handouts and more corporate welfare in a time of need. Captains of industry no longer exist, and, in fact, the current "leaders" are draining every resource that this country still has.

To call Wall Street immoral and un-American is THE great understatement regarding their attitude torward this country. They are paying less in taxes, reducing jobs, lowering wages and benefits, and cutting pensions in an all out class war that they have essentially won. These corporate leaders, with the help of their cronies in Wahsington, are completely unwilling to sacrifice their bottom line to aid "their" America in it's time of need. Catastrophy for this class means opportunity.

IMHO, big money "Americans" just don't care about their country of birth.

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the Superliberals!
Posted by: kittykat on Sep 16, 2005 12:08 PM   
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I'm wondering where is the great,glorious,supposedly 'liberal' media to speak out about the right-wing spin. Maybe because they are too damn busy having a beer and quietly nodding in agreement with everything the republican led media has to say. With 'friends' like these who needs the right.

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» RE: the Superliberals! Posted by: Basenjis
michelle malkin?
Posted by: poonoggin on Sep 16, 2005 12:49 PM   
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"True to reputation, Michelle Malkin was first out of the racist rumor-mongering box, starting a long blog post on August 30 detailing every rumor or semi-news item that portrayed Katrina's victims as a crowd intent on stealing, rioting and killing."

What does anyone expect from a little pea-brained asian sex kitten daughter of a $2.00 Subic Bay prostitute whose only skill is pontificating a kind of fecal verbal manual dexterity with her lips.

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Just To Set The Record Straight Part I
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 16, 2005 2:47 PM   
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I seem to have struck a chord! Mwhahahahaaha!

I am not republican and nor do I support corporate welfare. As a LIBERTAIRIAN I try to be consistent in that not only should the government stay out of encouraging people to perpetuate the tendencies that make them poor through government handouts but I also don’t believe the government should be subsidizing business. It’s bad policy and once you give a handout to one person or entity you create inequalities across the board!

Is it unfair that people are poor? YES! Is it unfair that God gave me the hand I was dealt? Yes. But it’s disgusting that people in every political party use other’s misfortunes for political gain (don’t tell me only GWB is guilty of this because I will smack you)! But to insist that it is the government’s responsibility to take from someone who has made something from nothing and distribute it for political gain is disgraceful. Our nation’s framers would not approve of it and if you say otherwise you are not being an honest person!

There will always be poor people because not everyone wants to put fourth the effort that it takes to be rich or even middle class. But that doesn’t mean they need a dose of government medicine known as welfare. I grew up in a poor family that placed little emphasis on the importance of education. Instead of playing the victim (more importantly buying into the lie that I am a victim people’s successes and society in general), I used my talent and ingenuity to get a degree secure a well paying career and now I am seeking to start a small business. The alternative is that I could have listened to the liberal party, taken my welfare check and voted for Al Gore. But that is not what America is about. That is not what we as a people should be encouraging our brothers and sisters to believe.

In contrast I believe we should be coming together as individuals to accomplish things and help the poor without the interference and waste of a big and wasteful bureaucracy. Giving the poor handouts only teaches them to rely more on handouts and it teaches the rest of us that we can sit on our lazy butts and do not need to get out in our communities and volunteer and help those less fortunate because big brother will do it.

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» RE: Just To Set The Record Straight Part I Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com
Just To Set The Record Straight Part II
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 16, 2005 2:49 PM   
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It’s a real shame when politics takes a front seat to the real issues. It’s sad that so many smart people have bought into the idea that government is all we need to survive. It depresses me that people have forgotten that our nation grew not from dependence on others and big government, but from ingenuity and the individual spirit.

I have no problem with socialism, but I don’t want America to become a socialist state because that is not what is in our blood and history – it’s not what was envisioned by the many that lost their lives and families for. Socialism is fine, for Sweden. If you are a socialist, go to Sweden, it’s a nice place but please don’t take the spirit out of America in an attempt to create another mediocre socialist society.

If you are always told that you will never achieve anything and that you should be content accepting a government check that is all you will achieve, particularly if that is all you have ever known. If you are told you are oppressed by other’s successes and that you deserve something in return, you will believe it. Is that really a message that progressives should send people. Should progressives tell minorities that it is because you are not white that you are poor and that society owes you a debt? Or should they offer a more positive message that encourages people to take initiative and be accountable for their actions. Shouldn’t the poor be told that there is a direct correlation between their actions and choices and their current situation. Shouldn’t they be told that it takes hard work to get to the top?

Where is it written that anyone in this country is entitled to anything? Life is not equal and our government cannot make it equal no matter how much you want it to. Only self initiative can overcome inequality!

Oh, and stop resorting to calling me a troll. :) You have to present some logic here!

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Limbaugh, O'reilly and the G.O.P. black folks enemy
Posted by: neosoul on Sep 16, 2005 6:44 PM   
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Maybe it's time we talked about racially separation in this country, I would rather deal with Osama Bin Laden than white conservatives in general. If we cannot get along as american citizens then the solution is for those African -Americans like me who would rather form a commonwealth in this country (because the souls of our people lived and died here) in lieu of repartions, then you can practice your "colorblind' society on the rest of the Black population (right or left wingers)who chooses to live in America. At least we can take care of our own people because the 'beloved community of MLK is DOA and considering the fact that I (and many black folk) consider white conservatives our enemies like Jewish folk look at the Nazis, I think it's time for open debate on whether we can coexist and it's my opinion is NO!!!!

NEVER AGAIN!!!!
MUST THERE BE NO MORE INNOCENT BLACK DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF THE G.O.P

Good black citizen there must never be another New Orleans
again we must have self- determination in this country.

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Delayed Response Planned?
Posted by: Riverside on Sep 18, 2005 12:03 AM   
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Considering that only the poor and essentially the black poor living in horrible conditions in New Orleans and other areas hit by Katrina were not able to escape in time (or refused to leave even when they could) was there a plan to delay immediate relief to allow nature to "clean up " the city of New Orleans? Certainly at least one politician acknowledges the benefit of wiping out poverty centers by natural disaster.

Should we even think this way? Should we even dream of a national leadership that is essentially heartless? Do we have any other examples of that heartlessness? Are there examples of our government denying equal rights for all of us? Is there evidence that the weak, the tired, the poor, the homeless and the jobless have essentially lost any political representation that is looking out for them?

Is America, like the Titanic sinking and taking most of us with it? Do we have to let this happen or can we pull together and save this once great nation? The 2006 elections are on their way, suck up and get up and lets kick the ******* out of office. IF we start in 2006 then 2008 is ours.

Want some inspiration, read the loving words of all of those founders of this nation who fought and died to make us free. Lets take America back for we the people.

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Answering Riverside's questions
Posted by: rkewen on Sep 18, 2005 10:43 AM   
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"Should we even think this way?"

answer = yes, after all it is true!

"Should we even dream of a national leadership that is essentially heartless?"

answer = right again, of course Dick "other priorties" Cheney is the only one who admits to having replaced his heart (if he ever had one) with a mechanical device!

"Do we have any other examples of that heartlessness?"

Where should I start and how much time do we have?

"Are there examples of our government denying equal rights for all of us?"

How about when the President and Senators were flying around in the middle of the night in their PJs to get to Washington and pass a bill that would apply to one person (Terri Shciavo) and force a feeding tube into her mouth while during the same two weeks tubes were being ripped out of the mouths of people in Texas with a chance to recover but unfortunately out of CASH or INSURANCE. By the way these tubes were being pulled out under a law signed by Duuuhbya as Gov of Texas, before he reached the pinnacle of his incompetence.

"Is there evidence that the weak, the tired, the poor, the homeless and the jobless have essentially lost any political representation that is looking out for them?"

I will just say "New Bankruptcy Law," though I could go on.

"Is America, like the Titanic sinking and taking most of us with it?"

Unfortunately yes, and not just Americans but the rest of us as well. The United States of Greed is the suicide bomber of nations, not content to just destroy themselves but out to destroy the rest of the planet as well, unless they can own it all.

"Do we have to let this happen or can we pull together and save this once great nation?"

I certainly hope we don't have to just let it happen and that the American people will wake up turn off their TVs and treat the Bush Crime Family like the founding fathers treated the other King George and the Brits and run 'em the hell outa here to Gitmo, an ice floe or a gallows.

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