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It's Accountability Time

By Scott Ritter, AlterNet. Posted September 9, 2005.


Hurricane Katrina has blown away the layers of lies peddled by the Republican government over the last four years.
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The power and fury of Hurricane Katrina has momentarily pushed to the side the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. However, to fully understand the ramifications of Hurricane Katrina, and the failings on the part of our government to protect us from harm, we must not forget that before Katrina there was an event we were told “forever changed the world we live in.”

September 11, 2001 represented not only a dark day for New York City and its citizens, but all of America and indeed the world. In retrospect, the gravest damage inflicted by that act of terrorism wasn't the human suffering and material loss, but rather the serious assault on the very soul of the United States by those who used the horrific events of 9/11 for political purpose.

This “assault” came in the form of actions on the part of the Bush administration, a cowed Congress, and a compliant media that worked hand in glove to spin the events of September 11, 2001 into a storm of hype and fear that exploited an already traumatized people. This conditioned them to accept at face value any characterization of events, no matter how far removed from fact, as well as any remedy put forward as a solution, no matter what the cost to fundamental notions of liberty and justice as set forth by the Constitution.

From the smoke and ashes of 9/11 came legislation in the form of the so-called “Patriot Act,” which represented a frontal assault by its conservative drafters on the very Constitution that defined a United States of America worth dying for. Congress voted unanimously to enact this legislation without even bothering to read it, since to vote against the Patriot Act was to open oneself to charges of being unpatriotic.

Congress went further, legislating into existence a new bureaucracy, the Department of Homeland Security, which at its best provided Americans with a nonsensical color-coded system for mandating national levels of fear, and at its worst created the illusion not only of an ever-present terrorist threat, but also the notion that the federal government, in its role as “Big Brother,” was there to protect us from all evil.

For nearly four years America proceeded down this path of self-induced ignorance and bliss, reassured by our Republican president and Republican-controlled Congress, as well as a compliant media. We were repeatedly told that a threat to our security loomed on the horizon, a threat so grave we as a people needed to cede our liberties to a benevolent federal authority that guaranteed the security of a nation we now called our “homeland.”

The newly erected Department of Homeland Security absorbed the various departments and agencies that had previously performed specialized tasks, such as border security, customs, and emergency response, under a single monolithic entity to serve as a guarantor of our collective protection.

Billions of dollars were spent in the name of “homeland security.” But under the Bush administration, homeland security really meant the domestic defense against terrorism, and even in this case the emphasis was placed on pre-emptive law enforcement (i.e., implementing the provisions of the Patriot Act) rather than actual response to an act of terror (i.e., providing aid and comfort to the victims of an attack).

Little heed was given to real threats to the collective security of our nation, such as tornadoes, earthquakes, wildfires, hurricanes and floods, and the impact these would have on the infrastructure and integrity of the nation. These real threats were never given a color-coded system for the purpose of hyping them to the American people; they were instead pushed into the background by a White House and Congress addicted to the legislative and electoral simplicity of fear of the unknown -- terrorism.

If anything, Hurricane Katrina has stripped away the many layers of deceit, deception and misinformation that have been peddled to the American people by the White House, Congress and the mainstream media regarding the true state of our national security. With the dead still uncounted in New Orleans and the Gulf States, Americans are coming to grips with the fact that the Bush administration, Congress and the Department of Homeland Security have been asleep at the wheel when it comes to protecting the citizens of the United States from the true threats facing us as a nation.


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Scott Ritter was U.N. chief weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991-1998 and author of "Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of America's Intelligence Conspiracy," to be published by I.B. Tauris (London) in October 2005.    

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sovinformburo
Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 9, 2005 4:21 AM   
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"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
-Frank Zappa-

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Katrina Another Reason Why Bush/Cheney Must Be Removed
Posted by: rangerjim on Sep 9, 2005 4:56 AM   
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The debacle in getting aid to the people of New Orleans is another reason why this traitorous administration needs to be taken down. They are more interested in protecting the welfare of cocaine snorting corporate executives and commodities traders than they are the rest of the people, especially the poor people who were left to drown in New Orleans. I bet Adolf Hitler is smiling with approval at the deeds and actions of his prodigy,, George W. Bush and stooge, Dick(head)Cheney. These morons are more proof that Washington is just as smelly a cesspool as New Orleans has become as a result of the dike breach. Moreover, the heads of Homeland Security and FEMA are nothing but a pair of unqualified political hacks who know nothing about emergency management. If there was ever cause for a massive uprising in this country, it is the looting and plundering of the Bush Administration, while not quite as dangerous as Hitler was, is every bit as evil and insensitve.These Nazis have got to go.

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sovinformburo
Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 9, 2005 5:08 AM   
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Whining and complaining will solve nothing. We know who these people are and what they do. They are ideologically driven and impervious to reasoned debate or indeed human dignity. Change will occur when Americans realise their country is a class ridden society and this is a class war. Change will only occur when the non elite achieve class consciousness (eg: blacks and poor whites acknowledge their interests coincide) and vote to break the republican stranglehold. But this will never happen because poor whites need to feel they are better than blacks and they do so by voting Republican, in other words, against their own interests. They get what they deserve. A precarious existance.

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Artists of Illusion
Posted by: reason on Sep 9, 2005 5:20 AM   
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There is an "almost' illusion of a two party system. The DLC (The New Democrats) are more republican than democrats. They take turns voting in the bills that take protection away from the middle class.

There has been a stealth takeover by a group of people, mostly the rich, since the Reagan era. Some are listed on NPAC. They want to conquer the world, but not for the American people. They want to rule the world and they are sacrificing our military and our money to do it. It may be for the wealthy of all countries.

It is all tied in with WTO and IMF. To get a loan from the IMF, a country has to privatize their pensions and no telling what else. They are deliberately destroying the middle class.

They own most of the Media. They now have their sights on destroying the United Nations. Then there will be no stopping them. imho

Scott Ritter tried to stop the War against Iraq. I watched the Media demonize and discredit him.

We, the taxpayer, have given about a billion dollars to Homeland Security. The whole focus of that program has been on saving the rich and powerful. They didn't care about the rest of us and didn't bother to plan for the rest of us.

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Scott Ritter
Posted by: robchapman on Sep 9, 2005 5:33 AM   
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Let me personally thank Scott Ritter and write a brief testimonial to this courageous activist and writer.
In the run up to the Iraqi Invasion, Scott tirelessly shared the expertise he gained as an UNSCOM Inspector in Iraq.
Scott's work and outspokenness put paid all claims that the pre-Invasion intelligence showed the necessity of an invasion of Iraq.
Scott made a correct case that the optimal course of action was continued inspections by the UN and then if needed, coalition action.
Had Scott's recomendations been followed THE WORLD would have been mobilized in the democratization of Iraq.
Scott made his case previous to the Invasion, so his views are not those made with the benefit of hindsight, but are the result of hard eyed analysis of FACTS.
Scott's reward for his patriotism and outspokenness: trumped up criminal charges and harrassment by prosecutors.
Scott's case puts paid to claims that the US does not pursue political prosecution.
Scott Ritter is a patriot and more importantly, an honest man.
I salute him.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

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Hurricane to hit Washington later this month.
Posted by: Capt H on Sep 9, 2005 6:19 AM   
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Peace Rally Sept. 24 - 26 Washington D.C.

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Where Has Scott Ritter Been?
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 9, 2005 6:33 AM   
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First, let me point out that I have nothing but admiration and respect for Scott Ritter. On the other hand, his article exposes a lack of historical perspective. He states that September 11 was "...an assault on the very soul of the United States" and triggered the Bush chimerical war on terrorism and the Bush campaign of fear-mongering to win support. This is not new. Presidents have been practising the same kind of deceit, fear-mongering and militarism since WWII. Truman launched the era of fear and militarism with the Truman Doctrine, NSC 68 and containment to create an atmosphere of fear of the imaginary Communist Worldwide Conspiracy to build the military-industrial complex and intervene in countries "worldwide" including Greece and Italy. As for the Patriot Act, there are ample precedents including the Alien Sedition Acts of 1798. Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus in 1862, the Sedition Act of 1918, and the Smith Act of 1940. It's important to maintain a historical perspective to truly understand what's happening today.

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agitator church and state
Posted by: eileenflmng on Sep 9, 2005 6:59 AM   
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9/11, That Day that WOKE UP America was an opportunity to lead the world in fighting terrorism as citizens of the Global Village.

Instead, we were told to "GO SHOPPING"
We were told "Evil is all out there"
We were propagancized back to sleep by the Doctrine of Fear peddled by this Aministration and its unilateral arrogant action. WAR is the ultimate expression of terrorism!!!

Hurrican Kat's aftermath provides us with the opportunity to reclaim the soul and true spirit of America: we are all created equally.

The hard truth is our 21st century American government failed to protect her citizens equally and failed to protect the home land in the home land.

"The Revolution starts now"- Steve Earle

www.wearewideawake.org

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Clarity
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 9, 2005 7:47 AM   
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Nice writing Scott. Clear and succinct. This article could go mainstream.

Seriously, I have just been on board here on AlterNet for about a month now and I am astounded at the amount of catching up I have to do. I can only imagine what that means for Joe Citizen who watches TV.

The American public is at the mercy of the media, if it allows itself to be, and most people to do. They are too tired and too indifferent to care. That has been my experience...It is hard to rouse people to change...

I only hope that by getting well grounded on AlterNet I will be able to carry the message to those who still suffer. :)

In other words, from ignorance.

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plunger
Posted by: plunger on Sep 9, 2005 8:08 AM   
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Who is Michael Chertoff and how did he rise to such power in the wake of 9/11?

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No New Taxes Needed
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 9, 2005 8:23 AM   
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The Vice President let slip in one of his remarks that this
Disaster will not require ANY New Taxes . We are told that the cost could easily exceed 200 billion for rebuilding effort in the Gulf Coast and yet as usual the Administration sees no need for to raise taxes .

The Senate had the " Decency " to put on hold repealing the
so called Death Tax . I believe this was done as a tatic to avoid showcasing just how much the government is in control of the Corporations and the Ultra Rich such as Bush's Pioneers .

The Democrats should react by proposing a Domestic Marshall Plan to rebuild the Devestated Area and Using the monies from the Death Tax as dedicated revenue Stream . The should focus the debate on the CHRISTIAN valuues of Love of Neighbor
and helping the Widow and the Poor . Don't let them get away
with using Abortion and Gay Marriage to distract us From the
True brand of Christianity in which Jesus said " Whatsoever you did to the LEAST of my brothers you did to ME " . He wasn't talking about giving Tax Cuts for the wealthy while starving "the Beast" as that slimeball grover Norquist refers to the government.

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plunger
Posted by: plunger on Sep 9, 2005 8:28 AM   
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And remember the story that was written in Popular Mechanics debunking all of those conspiracy Theories about 9/11?

Well check this out…

LET IT BE NOTED, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS IS BENJAMIN CHERTOFF, THE DIRECTOR OF HOMELAND SECURITY MICHEAL CHERTOFF’S COUSIN.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/1249302.html

If we were looking for evidence of a coverup, wouldn’t this be a good place to start…or should we all just be “Coincidence Theorists?”

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Homeland Security Means Pork
Posted by: BradKennedy on Sep 9, 2005 8:48 AM   
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Scott Ritter, in an otherwise fine analysis, took a narrow view when he stated "under the Bush administration, homeland security really meant the domestic defense against terrorism,..." Homeland Security also meant to the Bush Administration another means for buying political allegiance to their extreme agenda. Remember, for example, Home Security funds buying garbage trucks in Minnesota but doing little to secure the Port of New York/New Jersey.

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» RE: Homeland Security Means Pork Posted by: johnny-boy2
Faith in Electoral System Misplaced
Posted by: TFG54 on Sep 9, 2005 9:26 AM   
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In Scott Ritter's otherwise cogent article I find his naive faith in the United States electoral system amazingly naive. How does he expect that those victimized by Katrina, the poor and ethnic and racial minorities, would ever find one of their own among the candidates, Republican or Democrat? Does he think the Iraq war would have been less likely under Demos? Did he check the vote in Congress authorizing it? Who is he kidding? It must be himself. People who put their faith in the electoral process as it now exists in this country believe that there is substantive difference in simply transferring political power from one elite group to another elite group. Ritter may know a bogus argument about WMDs when he sees one, but he apparently thinks that a substantially different interest group controls each of the two major political parties, or he believes that third party or independent candidates can get elected. I don't think there is any empirical data to support either of those positions. I wish there were.

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First the clean up, THEN the pull out, and THEN the IMPEACHMENT!
Posted by: Voicedude on Sep 9, 2005 9:57 AM   
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I'll say it again:

The REAL business is ENDING THIS WAR!

After THAT we have every right, nay, the RESPONSIBILITY to DEMAND Bush & Cheney's resignation or impeachment!

John Dean (former Nixon advisor) put it so eloquently in his book "Worse Than Watergate - The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush". Dean served time for his part in Watergate, so he may know a thing or two about political misdeeds. A review of his book says:

"Dean argues that in asking Congress for a Joint Resolution authorizing the use of American force in Iraq, President Bush made a number of 'unequivocal public statements' regarding the reasons this country needed to pursue military force in pursuit of national interests. Through tradition, presidential statements regarding issues of national security are held to an expectation of 'the highest standard of truthfulness'. Therefore, no president can simply 'stretch, twist or distort' the facts of a case & then expect to avoid resulting consequences. Citing historical precedents, Dean shows how Johnson's distortions regarding the truth about the war in Vietnam led to his own subsequent withdrawal for candidacy for re-election in 1968, & how Nixon's attempted cover-up of the truth about Watergate forced his own resignation.

Bluntly stated, if Mr. Bush led this country into war based on bogus intelligence data, he is liable under the Constitution for manipulation & deliberate misuse of that data under the "high crimes" statute of that document, given the fact it is a felony to defraud the U.S. through such a conspiratorial action. It is time for both Congress & the American people to demand of Mr. Bush the same kind of high-minded honesty he pledged to us under the oath of office."


...considering the source, I find this quite damning. Same goes for Ritter's article. WHERE ARE THE SPINELESS DEMOCRATS ON THIS? Why is no one screaming 'foul'? Because we've been beat down by a complicit media? In Nixon's day, protesters were beaten down by club wielding police. Where's the righteous indignation, & WHEN do we actually DO SOMETHING?

Let's make sure that current Senate President Emil Jones, Jr. D - Chicago, & current House Speaker Dennis Hastert R - Ill., are ready to go when we remove Bush & Cheney from office for their High Crimes. We dealt with a new Prez & Veep 30 years ago & we can deal with it again. We HAVE to.

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I beg to differ.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 9, 2005 10:03 AM   
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"At the end of the day we, the people, are in control of the people and bureaucracy we empower to govern us. The mechanism of our control is the process of free and democratic elections."

This is patently untrue. Our votes only decide which candidates will carry out the agenda of the campaign contributors. If we the people want to control the government we must buy the government. Campaigns must be funded only by the taxpayers or we'll never have control.
http://www.lincolninitiative.org

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A call for NEW leadership from the Baltimore Sun
Posted by: Voicedude on Sep 9, 2005 10:31 AM   
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Maybe....just maybe the media is awakening.

Here's a recent article from the Baltimore Sun:
(the original link is too long to fit here, so go here:)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/

(....and scroll down to the heading "After Katrina fiasco, time for Bush to go" dated Sept. 8, 2005)

Pray for the future of our country.

Our leaders get caught again and again and AGAIN in lies and complicity and ineptitude and moral bankruptcy, and yet continually dodge accountability, and eventually blame someone else for their misdeeds. If I had to use one word, ONLY ONE WORD to describe this administration it would be this:

ARROGANCE!

I said that EARLY in his first term. I repeated it after he whitewashed 9/11 and used our own dead as a publicity opportunity. And I said it repeatedly BEFORE the last election....and warned that if he won again it would only fuel his sense of entitlement.

The ARROGANCE is now at an unprecedented level. As he keeps dodging the very issues that should bring him down (Downing St. memo, Valerie Plame, Cindy Sheehan, etc.), it only re-enforces his delusions of grandeur.

WHEN do We, The People do something about it?

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"Truth vs. Rigged Elections?"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 9, 2005 11:22 AM   
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Terrific article, and Scott speaks the truth; however, the "mechanism of our control," free and democratic elections, is now in peril as well, after the obviously rigged result that returned Bush and the "two-thirds Reich" to power in 2004. What are we supposed to do about that?

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No Bullhorns for Katrina
Posted by: cestevens on Sep 9, 2005 12:12 PM   
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Unlike the "war on terror," which is really a massive scam on the American people, there is nothing about this situation that appeals to the president on a personal level, no one to "smoke out" or "bring on," no Third-World despot to bully and serve as a vehicle by which to George may assert his masculinity. The plain truth is that our President is a textbook-case sociopath who would always choose to maim, kill, and destroy. Don't expect him to behave any differently, and you will never be disappointed when he fails to feel anyone's pain.

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» textbook case sociopath Posted by: Olympiada
Similar type of facist corruption. Different country.
Posted by: Smiggsy on Sep 9, 2005 12:44 PM   
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As a complete outsider looking in.....I don't know what the difference is between the current governments of Zimbabwe or the United States of America. Similar type of facist corruption. Different country.

America - wake up from your long slumber of ignorance, excess, arrogance and stupidity beacuse your highly regarded position in the globe is slowly losing its sheen. Eventually the USA will be left with no global credibility. What a waste. What a shame

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talk is cheap
Posted by: owleyes on Sep 9, 2005 12:58 PM   
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Is anybody else out there sick of talking? Has anybody else had enough of watching our country fall apart before their eyes at the hands of these rapists? Our first priority, since we are Americans, is to help the Gulf Coast back to its feet. We should be prepared to sacrifice for this, to put our money where our mouths are. We know whose fault it is that this happened. We can't do anything about that just yet, so let's channel our anger toward something positive. Once some semblance of stability has been restored, Bush and company have got to go. They won't go willingly. We're going to have to make them go. This is going to take discipline and perseverance from us. We will have to be organized and brave. I hope you are all eating right, exercising, and getting plenty of rest, because we are all soldiers now.

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