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My friend Ed belongs to the other 99 percent. The Midwestern farm where Ed (not his real name) grew up, and which his parents still run, is not large enough to fall under the estate tax.
But farm-raised Americans like Ed -- whom the American Farm Bureau and other lobbying groups have portrayed, falsely, as estate tax victims -- exemplify some of the best reasons for keeping the tax.Â
Even with his parents alive and well, Ed has already collected his most important inheritance. During those years of living and working on the family farm he acquired the essential means for making his way in life.
What he inherited goes far beyond the know-how to adjust a combine or milk a cow. It includes his thrift, his knowledge of both technology and nature, and his ability to fix just about anything. But that's still only part of it.
Ed carried from the farm the wisdom that takes nothing for granted, that knows hard work and cleverness aren't enough. He was bequeathed the knowledge that we're fundamentally dependent on soil, water and vast, unseen biological networks. He's schooled in the tricky business of taking from a farm's ecosystem what's needed, without crippling it.
Most of us, whether we grew up rich, poor or in between, on a farm or in a town, big city or suburb, have inherited tax-free, inflation-proof estates, differing in content but of comparable value to Ed's.
By bringing that heritage rather than material wealth to the forefront, defenders of the estate tax can retake the philosophical terrain they have lost to its foes.
In their 2005 book Death by a Thousand Cuts: The Fight over Taxing Inherited Wealth, Michael Graetz and Ian Shapiro argue convincingly that lobbyists for permanent elimination of the estate tax are prevailing because they have appealed to "fairness and virtue."
Those who would preserve the tax are faltering, write Graetz and Shapiro, because they have appealed only to narrow self-interest -- by saying, in effect, "This tax will not affect you. It burdens only the wealthy few, so you should support it."
Government statistics show that only a tiny fraction of families pay the tax, and that it does not destroy farms and other small businesses. This has carried little weight in Washington. The anti-tax movement is perceived as having a moral message with stronger appeal, Graetz and Shapiro say.
But only in a society where virtue is measured in hard currency, stocks and bonds can it be considered a moral imperative to eliminate taxes on all estates -- not just those under $2 million or $10 million, but ones that reach into the dozens of billions.Â
For almost 90 years, taxation of the nation's wealthiest estates has helped hold down taxes on middle- and low-income people, and check ascendance of a wealth-based aristocracy.
Meanwhile, it has never hampered the ability of parents to hand down to their children the means -- financial and otherwise -- that they need to make it in the world. In the current, possibly decisive battle to save the estate tax, it's time to trump the repeal forces' phony "moral" arguments by emphasizing skills and values like those Ed's parents have passed on to him -- items you don't find cataloged in a last will and testament.
The hour is late, but there is still time to convince senators that the estate tax is a crucial part of an economy that protects every family's legacy, including those treasures that have nothing to do with material wealth.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 7, 2005 3:21 AM
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No, actually virtually NO taxpayers are benefitted by this free pass for the offspring of those who profitted most by the infrastructure and other resources of the commonwealth.
What should we think about a culture that taxes new money acquired by honest labor but not new money acquired effortlessly by accident of birth? I'd call that the beginnings of a feudal state with a peonage and an aristocracy living by two different sets of rules. This, my friends, is class warfare perpetrated by the haves on the have nots and have lesses.
What shall we call people who advocate and benefit from such a system? Elitists.
What shall we call people who belong to that peonage and would have benefited from those taxes had they been in the public coffers, but are programmed to mindlessly fight against their own best interests for the lords instead? Ditto heads. Stepford drones.
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I ask you. What would happen if you took to the streets in massive demonstrations. What would happen if your stormed the White House ? I don't think that your military or police would shoot you guys down. At least,...not too many of you, because, you are all Americans. The black, the yellow, the brown and the white. Not just the ones who have the money.
BTW. do you even realise that you don't really chose your politicains ? In actual fact,...they choose you. They choose the areas that will be easy for them. I think that they must be choosing the dumb ones.
If one woman named Cindy has the guts to get out there and protest, what the hell is wrong this the rest of you? This is not for your entertainment guys. This is your life !!
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It is quite clear that, if you arent a millionare, our reps dont give a damn about US.
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Beyond this, in most cases, what goes into an estate is already taxed when it is earned, but then those same assets are taxed again and again at each generational passing. Wasn't one of the founding ideas of our nation, "no double taxation?" That's what the estate tax often is, and that's what makes it an onerous and immoral confiscation. Sure, there's a million doller allowance on the tax now – but there was a time when ALL of an inheritance was taxable, and as long as this tax remains in effect in any form, we could return, under pressure from deficit spending, to those days again. I say kill the inheritance tax, and bury it forever. There are better ways to finance a nation.
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The point is this: What incentive is there for people to produce something when they already have all the money they'll ever need? In NYC, there are many people living off of trust funds and parents' bank accounts. What has happened? Real estate has skyrocketed, and New York City has become pretty damn lame.
Your silly double-taxation point fails to recognize the fact that the people who inherit the money did absolutely nothing to earn it. Or is "earning it" something we don't do here anymore?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 7, 2005 12:45 PM
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What I'm leading up to is that with a whole continent to exploit, Go West, Young Man, was a virtue. What do we do now that population is drowning us in California? (No way we can provide housing, so what cost me $30,000 in 1972 -- if I'd held on to it -- now costs $600,000.)
Yes, having some material assets to pass down encouraged folks to accumulate. And that was good for an undeveloped land. Is it still good? Is ever-greater levels of consumption by an ever-growing population good? I don't think so.
Eliminating inheritance is what we need, not eliminating the estate tax. Wow, that sounds crazy, right? No, that's how much things have changed. We don't need assets accumulating. Then what reason for hard work? The same reasons that are cited in this article -- caring about the Earth and its people, a sense of vocation, a sense of one's humanity, all those things that "...have nothing to do with material wealth."
"You may call me a dreamer. But I'm not the only one. Someday you'll join me. And the world can live as one."
PS. I made sure my kids got good educations. They have their own $600,000 houses.
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Those in the middle class will pay higher taxes because our country is in a lot of debt and they will have to get the money somewhere.
If I earn money this year, I will pay taxes on it. If I win the multimillion dollar lottery, I will pay taxes on it. Those who inherit wealthy estates are already set up with more than you and I will ever have, even if we do well in life. They are no better than you and I are to pay taxes on something they didn't work for.
Sure we all want to leave something to our children. We would all like to do that. But at this time, a couple with 3 million is exempt from the inheritance tax. They may raise that exemption.
You know, that first million is what is hard to make. After that the million makes more money. You can buy rentals, stocks, bonds, property and antiques.
Taxing an estate is not taxing the one who has died.
It is a way of recycling money. The rich will end up with every penny we spend. But it makes life easier if they don't have it all and we get a chance to use the money and build our own futures.
Not repealing the estate tax, means there will be money to repay the Social Security bonds.
Too much money will end up in too few hands without the estate tax. Too much money in too few hands is what caused the Great Depression.
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Posted by: reason on Sep 7, 2005 6:01 PM
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Those in the middle class will pay higher taxes because we are in a lot of debt and they will have to get the money somewhere.
If I earn money this year, I will pay taxes on it. If I win the multimillion dollar lottery, I will pay taxes on it. Those who inherit wealthy estates are already set up with more than you and I will ever have, even if we do well in life. They are no better than you and I are to pay taxes on something they didn't work for.
Sure we all want to leave something to our children. We would all like to do that. But at this time, a couple with 3 million is exempt from the inheritance tax. They may raise that exemption.
You know, that first million is what is hard to make. After that the million makes more money. You can buy rentals, stocks, bonds, property and antiques.
Taxing an estate is not taxing the one who has died.
It is a way of recycling money. The rich will end up with every penny we spend. But it makes life easier if they don't have it all and we get a chance to use the money and build our own futures.
Too much money will end up in too few hands without the estate tax. Too much money in too few hands is what caused the Great Depression.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 7, 2005 3:21 AM
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No, actually virtually NO taxpayers are benefitted by this free pass for the offspring of those who profitted most by the infrastructure and other resources of the commonwealth.
What should we think about a culture that taxes new money acquired by honest labor but not new money acquired effortlessly by accident of birth? I'd call that the beginnings of a feudal state with a peonage and an aristocracy living by two different sets of rules. This, my friends, is class warfare perpetrated by the haves on the have nots and have lesses.
What shall we call people who advocate and benefit from such a system? Elitists.
What shall we call people who belong to that peonage and would have benefited from those taxes had they been in the public coffers, but are programmed to mindlessly fight against their own best interests for the lords instead? Ditto heads. Stepford drones.
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I ask you. What would happen if you took to the streets in massive demonstrations. What would happen if your stormed the White House ? I don't think that your military or police would shoot you guys down. At least,...not too many of you, because, you are all Americans. The black, the yellow, the brown and the white. Not just the ones who have the money.
BTW. do you even realise that you don't really chose your politicains ? In actual fact,...they choose you. They choose the areas that will be easy for them. I think that they must be choosing the dumb ones.
If one woman named Cindy has the guts to get out there and protest, what the hell is wrong this the rest of you? This is not for your entertainment guys. This is your life !!
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Posted by: PBR on Sep 7, 2005 4:30 AM
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It is quite clear that, if you arent a millionare, our reps dont give a damn about US.
PBR
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Beyond this, in most cases, what goes into an estate is already taxed when it is earned, but then those same assets are taxed again and again at each generational passing. Wasn't one of the founding ideas of our nation, "no double taxation?" That's what the estate tax often is, and that's what makes it an onerous and immoral confiscation. Sure, there's a million doller allowance on the tax now – but there was a time when ALL of an inheritance was taxable, and as long as this tax remains in effect in any form, we could return, under pressure from deficit spending, to those days again. I say kill the inheritance tax, and bury it forever. There are better ways to finance a nation.
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Posted by: lamar on Sep 7, 2005 8:00 AM
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The point is this: What incentive is there for people to produce something when they already have all the money they'll ever need? In NYC, there are many people living off of trust funds and parents' bank accounts. What has happened? Real estate has skyrocketed, and New York City has become pretty damn lame.
Your silly double-taxation point fails to recognize the fact that the people who inherit the money did absolutely nothing to earn it. Or is "earning it" something we don't do here anymore?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 7, 2005 12:45 PM
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What I'm leading up to is that with a whole continent to exploit, Go West, Young Man, was a virtue. What do we do now that population is drowning us in California? (No way we can provide housing, so what cost me $30,000 in 1972 -- if I'd held on to it -- now costs $600,000.)
Yes, having some material assets to pass down encouraged folks to accumulate. And that was good for an undeveloped land. Is it still good? Is ever-greater levels of consumption by an ever-growing population good? I don't think so.
Eliminating inheritance is what we need, not eliminating the estate tax. Wow, that sounds crazy, right? No, that's how much things have changed. We don't need assets accumulating. Then what reason for hard work? The same reasons that are cited in this article -- caring about the Earth and its people, a sense of vocation, a sense of one's humanity, all those things that "...have nothing to do with material wealth."
"You may call me a dreamer. But I'm not the only one. Someday you'll join me. And the world can live as one."
PS. I made sure my kids got good educations. They have their own $600,000 houses.
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Posted by: reason on Sep 7, 2005 5:58 PM
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Those in the middle class will pay higher taxes because our country is in a lot of debt and they will have to get the money somewhere.
If I earn money this year, I will pay taxes on it. If I win the multimillion dollar lottery, I will pay taxes on it. Those who inherit wealthy estates are already set up with more than you and I will ever have, even if we do well in life. They are no better than you and I are to pay taxes on something they didn't work for.
Sure we all want to leave something to our children. We would all like to do that. But at this time, a couple with 3 million is exempt from the inheritance tax. They may raise that exemption.
You know, that first million is what is hard to make. After that the million makes more money. You can buy rentals, stocks, bonds, property and antiques.
Taxing an estate is not taxing the one who has died.
It is a way of recycling money. The rich will end up with every penny we spend. But it makes life easier if they don't have it all and we get a chance to use the money and build our own futures.
Not repealing the estate tax, means there will be money to repay the Social Security bonds.
Too much money will end up in too few hands without the estate tax. Too much money in too few hands is what caused the Great Depression.
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Posted by: reason on Sep 7, 2005 6:01 PM
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Those in the middle class will pay higher taxes because we are in a lot of debt and they will have to get the money somewhere.
If I earn money this year, I will pay taxes on it. If I win the multimillion dollar lottery, I will pay taxes on it. Those who inherit wealthy estates are already set up with more than you and I will ever have, even if we do well in life. They are no better than you and I are to pay taxes on something they didn't work for.
Sure we all want to leave something to our children. We would all like to do that. But at this time, a couple with 3 million is exempt from the inheritance tax. They may raise that exemption.
You know, that first million is what is hard to make. After that the million makes more money. You can buy rentals, stocks, bonds, property and antiques.
Taxing an estate is not taxing the one who has died.
It is a way of recycling money. The rich will end up with every penny we spend. But it makes life easier if they don't have it all and we get a chance to use the money and build our own futures.
Too much money will end up in too few hands without the estate tax. Too much money in too few hands is what caused the Great Depression.
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