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In 2004 -- at a time when George W. Bush was running for re-election and presumably courting votes in Louisiana, a potential swing state -- the White House proposed spending a whopping 12 1/3 times as much taxpayer money restoring wetlands in southern Iraq as he planned to spend on the same task in the Mississippi Delta.
Before Congress intervened, the Bush administration asked for $100 million to restore the Iraqi marshlands, drained and destroyed by Saddam Hussein, to its status as -- according to legend -- the Biblical "Garden of Eden."
The proposed funding that year for the Louisiana wetlands, heavily damaged by overdevelopment, was just $8 million. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the city once buffered by those disappearing wetlands is now Hell on Earth.
Even though the Iraq wetlands project didn't get the federal dollars, it did get the next best thing: American know-how. And so some of the best minds who were supposed to be studying and improving Lousiana's environment instead found themselves in the Persian Gulf. This is from an April 24, 2004, article in the New Orleans Times-Picayune:
Corps officials involved in restoring Louisiana's wetlands also have been sent to assist those fighting in and rebuilding Iraq, including oversight of a similar wetlands restoration project there, he said. Ed Theriot, a Vicksburg-based engineer who had directed the Louisiana Coastal Area Ecosystem Restoration Study, was sent to Iraq four months ago to oversee the restoration of the "Garden of Eden" wetlands at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers that were destroyed by Saddam Hussein in the 1990s.While Theriot was pulled away from his work in the New Orleans area, his work in Baghdad was deemed highly successful.
Despite a balking Congress, the Bush administration seemed determined to fund the Iraqi marsh project -- pardon the awful pun -- come hell or high water, even if foreign allies had to pay for it. USA Today reported:
The United States, Italy, Canada and others are offering aid to Iraq for marshland restoration. They also are offering expertise to maximize the chances of successfully returning the marshlands to their previous state. U.S. officials estimate that 25% to 35% of the marshes can be restored in two to three years.
In his $20.3 billion request for rebuilding Iraq, President Bush asked for $100 million to restore the marshes, but Congress cut it entirely, along with some other programs. Officials remain confident, however, that they can transfer the money from elsewhere to pay for the restoration.
"We need to restore the marshes," says Andrew Natsios, administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development.Indeed, the project did eventually get major funding from Japan -- roughly $11 million -- and from Italy, some $1.3 million. Nothing wrong with that, although it does seem ironic in the wake of Bush's refusal to accept foreign aid last week to help out folks in Louisiana.
For years, federal officials have been warned that the lost of wetlands had made New Orleans more vulnerable to a hurricane than when Betsy struck the region in 1965.
Sidney Coffee, executive assistant to the governor for coastal activities, said about 1,900 square miles of wetlands have disappeared from the area since the 1930s, and the receding continues at a rate of about 24 square miles per year. The erosion has a direct impact on New Orleans' ability to absorb the blow of a storm like Katrina, she said. For every 2.7 miles of wetlands, storm surges are reduced by about 1 foot, she said.Now, it's fair to note that even a massive influx of federal dollars in fiscal 2005 would not have brought back the wetlands in time for Katrina, a supposed once-in-a-lifetime event. Nor are we denying that the destruction of the Iraqi marches was a global environmental travesty. But once again, it's the priorities that show how screwed up the Bush administration truly is. Clearly, the White House had no concept of fiscal constraint when it came to throwing literally tens of millions of dollars at any problem in Iraq, 7,000 miles away. Apparently that's easy to do when you have $192 billion -- and counting -- to burn.
It was only here in America, on domestic programs, that the budget bean counters held sway. And now New Orleans -- a beloved American city that once truly was a garden of earthly delights -- has become a living hell.
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Posted by: Iana_gheddis on Sep 7, 2005 6:20 AM
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The people of New Orleans wantied a liberal loser hack for a mayor, they got what they had coming.
Maybe at the next election, they'll find a Rudy. A strong mayor doesn't need the federal government.
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Posted by: hirondelle on Sep 7, 2005 6:20 AM
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Maybe....maybe...could it be that we've just bombed the rest of their country to hell and back? Naw, we don't care about that. Maybe we are just trying to make some friends over there so it'll be easier when they realise we are going to hang around awhile?
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 7, 2005 8:57 AM
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1. They are more visible to the world.
2. They are the historic 'garden of Eden', although I thought according to the African Heritage Study Bible, they were farther south.
3. Perhaps Bush has a conscience and wants to show to the world he feels remorse? Nah, I know you all would disagree with that.
But seriously, intuitively speaking, I knew it was the destruction of the environment that was behind this great catastrophe in part. Now atheists, bear with me, it is not my intention to offend. Being a Theist, I believe an Intelligence Being created this globe. So, this Intelligent Being, God, created ecosystems, which includes marshes to buffer the coasts from hurricanes. Now granted, man created global warming, which conservatives will argue, that added to this Class 5 Hurricane. Man also destroyed the natural ecosystem.
Were there no environmental activists way back when New Orleans was being built? Is environmental activism really a sign of progress?
Unfortunately I do not know too much on the history of NO, all though Lindie was kind enough to educate me. Did they not have environmental impact plans back then?
Sheesh!
By the way, I like that word cabal. It's a new one for me. I have had to look up twice now...It is kind of hard for me to understand it in the context. I do not think Bush is usurping anything...it seems like things have been bad for a while!
Conservatives will probably argue with me.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 7, 2005 10:35 AM
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How nice to know that Bush has a reciprocal arrangement with Iraq. He sent the expertise to restore New Orleans' protective wetlands over there, and in return, with the help of a hurricane, got something for us that Baghdad would rather not have: the living hell of massive urban destruction. Such a deal.
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1. Privatize FEMA and as much as they can of other agencies
2. Tear down the SuperDome and everything else to give Halliburton all the money to rebuild (and all the license to steal every penny they can in the process)
3. Divert mistrust/hatred of Bush to the failure of every local and state Democrat within blameshot
Hell, we already know that most of the ruined area will be rebuilt with luxury resorts, apartments and big gambling outlets.
I trust John Q. Public to finally wake up to this madness about as far as I can throw the Republican party.
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Posted by: sausage on Sep 7, 2005 12:40 PM
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That Foghorn Leghorn impersonator, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi.
With that as a plank in the Republican Party's 2000 platform why would Bush and Co. even consider to restore the coastal saltwater marshlands. Hell's bells, wealthy, Republican-leaning Baby Boomers want to buy shore-front property and retire there. This Gulf Coast region is, or was, prime real estate. Why would anyone want to restore it just for a bunch of critters and birds?
And you know what, boy and girls! What has transpired along the Gulf Coast has not sunk into the rights' collective reactionary brain one wit.
They haven't learned a thing.
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Want to know why this irks me? Here is valuable criticism that was needed months ago, but no one listened. Why? Because there are no more rational voices from the opposition for the President to listen to.
Sure he may catch a "we need to preserve the louisiana wetlands," in his daily readings....but how does he separate that from the "BUSH IS AN EVIL NEOCON NAZI KILLING IRAQI BABIES FOR OIL MONEY" hysterics that accompany said criticism?
The problem with you folks is this: you don't know how to control your emotions in debate, and as a result, no one listens to you. And the fact that no one listens to you seems to make you all more angry and emotional, and you all become further irrelevant.
This environmental stuff is y'alls bread and butter, but you couldn't present it to anyone in a responsible, reasonable manner.
Now you're using hindsight to say "look! we were right all along."
You may have been, but you guys (none of us really) did enough to push this important preservation agenda properly.
We all shoulder the blame for this one.
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An excerpt:
"In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large. Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate."
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Posted by: Iana_gheddis on Sep 7, 2005 6:20 AM
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The people of New Orleans wantied a liberal loser hack for a mayor, they got what they had coming.
Maybe at the next election, they'll find a Rudy. A strong mayor doesn't need the federal government.
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Posted by: hirondelle on Sep 7, 2005 6:20 AM
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Maybe....maybe...could it be that we've just bombed the rest of their country to hell and back? Naw, we don't care about that. Maybe we are just trying to make some friends over there so it'll be easier when they realise we are going to hang around awhile?
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 7, 2005 8:57 AM
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1. They are more visible to the world.
2. They are the historic 'garden of Eden', although I thought according to the African Heritage Study Bible, they were farther south.
3. Perhaps Bush has a conscience and wants to show to the world he feels remorse? Nah, I know you all would disagree with that.
But seriously, intuitively speaking, I knew it was the destruction of the environment that was behind this great catastrophe in part. Now atheists, bear with me, it is not my intention to offend. Being a Theist, I believe an Intelligence Being created this globe. So, this Intelligent Being, God, created ecosystems, which includes marshes to buffer the coasts from hurricanes. Now granted, man created global warming, which conservatives will argue, that added to this Class 5 Hurricane. Man also destroyed the natural ecosystem.
Were there no environmental activists way back when New Orleans was being built? Is environmental activism really a sign of progress?
Unfortunately I do not know too much on the history of NO, all though Lindie was kind enough to educate me. Did they not have environmental impact plans back then?
Sheesh!
By the way, I like that word cabal. It's a new one for me. I have had to look up twice now...It is kind of hard for me to understand it in the context. I do not think Bush is usurping anything...it seems like things have been bad for a while!
Conservatives will probably argue with me.
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How nice to know that Bush has a reciprocal arrangement with Iraq. He sent the expertise to restore New Orleans' protective wetlands over there, and in return, with the help of a hurricane, got something for us that Baghdad would rather not have: the living hell of massive urban destruction. Such a deal.
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Posted by: MT512 on Sep 7, 2005 11:54 AM
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1. Privatize FEMA and as much as they can of other agencies
2. Tear down the SuperDome and everything else to give Halliburton all the money to rebuild (and all the license to steal every penny they can in the process)
3. Divert mistrust/hatred of Bush to the failure of every local and state Democrat within blameshot
Hell, we already know that most of the ruined area will be rebuilt with luxury resorts, apartments and big gambling outlets.
I trust John Q. Public to finally wake up to this madness about as far as I can throw the Republican party.
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» I am listening
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Posted by: sausage on Sep 7, 2005 12:40 PM
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That Foghorn Leghorn impersonator, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi.
With that as a plank in the Republican Party's 2000 platform why would Bush and Co. even consider to restore the coastal saltwater marshlands. Hell's bells, wealthy, Republican-leaning Baby Boomers want to buy shore-front property and retire there. This Gulf Coast region is, or was, prime real estate. Why would anyone want to restore it just for a bunch of critters and birds?
And you know what, boy and girls! What has transpired along the Gulf Coast has not sunk into the rights' collective reactionary brain one wit.
They haven't learned a thing.
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» What about economy jb?
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Posted by: johnny-boy2 on Sep 7, 2005 2:17 PM
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Want to know why this irks me? Here is valuable criticism that was needed months ago, but no one listened. Why? Because there are no more rational voices from the opposition for the President to listen to.
Sure he may catch a "we need to preserve the louisiana wetlands," in his daily readings....but how does he separate that from the "BUSH IS AN EVIL NEOCON NAZI KILLING IRAQI BABIES FOR OIL MONEY" hysterics that accompany said criticism?
The problem with you folks is this: you don't know how to control your emotions in debate, and as a result, no one listens to you. And the fact that no one listens to you seems to make you all more angry and emotional, and you all become further irrelevant.
This environmental stuff is y'alls bread and butter, but you couldn't present it to anyone in a responsible, reasonable manner.
Now you're using hindsight to say "look! we were right all along."
You may have been, but you guys (none of us really) did enough to push this important preservation agenda properly.
We all shoulder the blame for this one.
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» Bush II is the most hostile-to-science president we have ever seen...
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Posted by: johnny-boy2 on Sep 8, 2005 11:28 AM
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An excerpt:
"In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large. Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate."
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