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The Post-Katrina Era

By George Lakoff, AlterNet. Posted September 6, 2005.


Katrina's tragic consequences were not just due to incompetence, natural disaster, or Bush policies (though he is accountable). This is a failure of moral and political philosophy.
Hurricane Katrina [Emergency Exit]
Hurricane Katrina [Emergency Exit]

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It is impossible for me, as it is for most Americans, to watch the horror and suffering from Hurricane Katrina and not feel physically sore, pained, bereft, empty, heartbroken. And angry.

The Katrina tragedy should become a watershed in American politics. This was when the usually invisible people suddenly appeared in all the anguish of their lives -- the impoverished, the old, the infirm, the kids and the low-wage workers with no cars, TVs or credit cards. They showed up on America's doorsteps, entered the living rooms and stayed. Katrina will not go away soon, and she has the power to change America.

The moral of Katrina is mostly being missed. It is not just a failure of execution (William Kristol), or that bad things just happen (Laura Bush). It was not just indifference by the President, or a lack of accountability, or a failure of federal-state communication, or corrupt appointments in FEMA, or the cutting of budgets for fixing levees, or the inexcusable absence of the National Guard off in Iraq. It was all of these and more, but they are the effects, not the cause.

The cause was political through and through -- a matter of values and principles. The progressive-liberal values are America's values, and we need to go back to them. The heart of progressive-liberal values is simple: empathy (caring about and for people) and responsibility (acting responsibly on that empathy). These values translate into a simple principle: Use the common wealth for the common good to better all our lives. In short, promoting the common good is the central role of government.

The right-wing conservatives now in power have the opposite values and principles. Their main value is Rely on individual discipline and initiative. The central principle: Government has no useful role. The only common good is the sum of individual goods. It's the difference between We're all in this together and You're on your own, buddy. It's the difference between Every citizen is entitled to protection and You're only entitled to what you can afford. It's the difference between connection and separation. It is this difference in moral and political philosophy that lies behind the tragedy of Katrina.

A lack of empathy and responsibility accounts for Bush's indifference and the government's delay in response, as well as the failure to plan for the security of the most vulnerable: the poor, the infirm, the aged, the children.

Eliminating as much as possible of the role of government accounts for the demotion of FEMA from cabinet rank, for Michael Brown's view that FEMA was a federal entitlement program to be cut, for the budget cuts in levee repair, for placing more responsibility on state and local government than they could handle, for the failure to fully employ the military, and for the lax regulation of toxic waste dumps contributing to a "toxic stew."

This was not just incompetence (though there was plenty of it), not just a natural disaster (though nature played its part), not just Bush (though he is accountable). This is a failure of moral and political philosophy -- a deadly failure. That is the deep truth behind this human tragedy, humanly caused.

It is a truth that needs to be told, starting now -- over and over. There can be no delay. The Bush administration is busy framing it in its own way: bad things just happen, it's no one's fault; the federal government did the best it could -- the problem was at the state and local level; we'll rebuild and everything will be okay; the people being shipped out will have better lives elsewhere, and jobs in Wal-Mart!


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George Lakoff is the author of Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate' (Chelsea Green). He is Professor of Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley and a Senior Fellow of the Rockridge Institute.

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The Enronization of America
Posted by: nyebga on Sep 6, 2005 11:59 AM   
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I just want to give props to Lakoff for yet another insightful writing on how language affects EVERYTHING!
As a socio-linguistic anthropologist, I am well aware that framing determines our present, our future, and how we remember our past. Wonderful examples of this can be found in Keith Basso's work with the Western Apache.
I would like to offer my own frame. Perhaps it has been done before, perhaps by Lakoff, but I have been independently thinking this for most of the Bush years. The Bush administration governs with the idea that less government will lead to more success in the private sector and that as the wealth of the private sector grows, we all win as that wealth is distributed throughout the economy primarily through job creation.
In fact, many of the employees and shareholders of Enron believed the same thing. They believed that if they placed their faith and life savings in the hands of the Enron administration, that they would reap the wealth that Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling promised and seemed to know how to make. Unfortunately for 99.999% of the shareholders and employees of Enron, it was all a ruse. Those at the bottom waiting for the tide to lift their boats were left without even life jackets, while the Enron administration rode off in their stolen yachts.
The Bush administration has Enronned our society. For all of those middle-class and lower-class people who have put their faith in this administration's incompetent and greedy hands, you will be left behind with the rest of us.

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» Wonderfully Put Posted by: nakis
» RE: Wonderfully Put Posted by: Shehova
» It's the pyramid! Posted by: Ahimsa
» $%&*#@ Reaganomics Posted by: kww355
» RE: $%&*#@ Reaganomics Posted by: oldwoman
Reject Roberts and Get Scalia?
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 6, 2005 12:36 PM   
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I don't know the niceities of Supreme's appointments but I hope Lakeoff has considered the possible alternatives. If he knows of someway to make Bush appoint someone with liberal values, I wish he'd tell us. Outrage against a lame duck President doesn't go very far, although it sure sounds good.

But isn't sounding good a conservative virtue?

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Thank you, Dr. Lakoff. This is what people need to understand about why framing matters no matter
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 6, 2005 1:12 PM   
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what issue we're talking about. I finally went back and reread "Moral Politics" and I must say even as more of the issues are popping up, you were way ahead of the times even if this 2nd edition was written in 2001. The country can be in a depression 10 times greater than the Great Depression and/or for that matter the country can be mired in the Iraq War which is already proving to be worse than Vietnam but until the Democrats stop acting like a bunch of chickens and nail these bastards in power by framing and reframing the debates, it's still going to be lose lose. Like you said, the truth doesn't always set us free. It's making it acceptable that does.

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» free cheese breeds killer rats Posted by: doglawbad
Where are the Dems?
Posted by: roygib on Sep 6, 2005 1:55 PM   
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I agree completely that the real problem here is a political philosophy that denigrates government. At one time, long ago in the dim past, the Democratic Party used to stand for a government that worked for the benifit of all citizens, not just the wealthy few. I have pretty much given up hope that that old Democratic Party could return, and the deafening silence of most of the Dems. in congress has supported that conclusion. The only appropriate response from a true opposition party at this point is red faced, sreaming, fist pounding outrage at what has been done to the public commons, and all we get from the Democratic so called "leadership" is silence.

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» RE: Where are the Dems? Posted by: Commie_Ricko
» RE: Where are the Dems? Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Where are the Dems? Posted by: sovinformburo
» The Dems are up your ass Posted by: doglawbad
"Progressive Values" Lead To Dependent People And Organizations
Posted by: barrys new conversations on Sep 6, 2005 1:59 PM   
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Forty Years into the Great Society, trillions spent, school curriculums politicized, welfare ,medicaid insolvent because of the ever growing list of more "progressive" entitlements and you want to use the future for more of this ? The legacy of that dependancy addiction has produced people who can't even think enough to get out of harms way.

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» Do Trolls understand "self parody?" Posted by: AdamSelene11726
Peter Parsons
Posted by: Lochinvar on Sep 6, 2005 2:12 PM   
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Lakoff is correct, philosophically, Bush and his minions' "foolish consistencies" are dangerous to our humane, social contract. How prescient, for instance, for Grover Norquist, to rhapsodize about the possibility of reducing the government to a size that he could DROWN in his bathroom! We see the consequence of this "philosophy" in the drowning of the City that gave America and the world probably its most endearing spiritual resource: The Blues and all of its related soulful expressions, linguistic, lyrical, music and otherwise. Think of Blues Power as the antidote to all the philosophical poison that Bush and his NeoCons have force fed to the body politic. Blues Power! That's language! Even Bush can't spin or destroy it. Get Up! Stand Up! Stand up for your rights. Ain't going to let nobody turn me 'round! Blues anthems defeated slavery, and they'll defeat Bush's attempts to make the world his plantation yet! Believe it!

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» RE: Peter Parsons Posted by: oldwoman
Reframe
Posted by: jbetterl on Sep 6, 2005 2:32 PM   
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It is not the "post-Katrina" error. The disaster is not an anthropomorphized storm. It is the "post-Gulf Coast disaster" era, a disaster of no preparation and no response.

Courtesy of Doug Muder.

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Caste System in America !!!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:37 PM   
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The American Dream = The ability to move up in social class, make better for yourself, get a good job, movin' on up, etc.

Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.

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» Nitsua's observation is correct. Posted by: sovinformburo
Lakoff too kind
Posted by: scotts on Sep 6, 2005 4:47 PM   
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The right fails it's own "small government" test time and again, since the Reagan era, and through the current Bush Administration. On the "small government" front, the Republicans are at best, charlatans.

How many hundreds of billions of US tax dollars does the Bush Administration have tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq? How many additional billions have been blown on the Department Of Homeland Security. If there was ever a case of useless government bloat, DHS is proving to be it, in New Orleans, before our eyes. Talk about all suit.

No. It's not that the right doesn't like spending government money. They love spending, and by the sh*tload. They just have different priorities.

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Don't be fooled by "state's rights"
Posted by: ScottP on Sep 6, 2005 5:17 PM   
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Like many of the arguments, this is a complete lie by the robber barons, used selectively to give themselves more money and power. When it came to dying cancer patients receiving medical marijuana under California law, the supreme court intervened and used the interstate commerce clause to rule that a medicine that was grown entirely within the state with no money exchanged could be confiscated and the dying patients could be prosecuted.

The fact that America is run by cruel thieves with the approval of a lynch mob of millions should not be cause to be depressed. This is the way our home has been for most of its history. The destruction of Iraq is horrible, but not as horrible as the destuction of Vietnam. Intentionally withholding support for New Orleans to let the poor die is horrible, but not as horrible as slavery was. We actually are making progress, and the fact that we can make the president even pretend to care about the death in NO is actually an improvement, and shows that we do have some power over his actions, since his preference would have been to chuckle at some racist jokes and get on with his golf game.

Let's keep up the pressure. Let's bring on the day when people like Bush are viewed as pathetic little misfits isolated in psychiatric wards receiving the medicine and therapy they need to become productive members of society. In the meantime, remember what they are: parasites.

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The Gated Community
Posted by: ceholt on Sep 6, 2005 8:30 PM   
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“Government is a gated community where those who can afford it can access its "amenities."

That one statement could be the basis of a strong populist campaign. It would make a great slogan in our fight against the Have’s and Have-More’s who are busy rebuilding our democracy into something else. Our political infrastructure is being changed, and before long, the democratic means of undoing the damage may be gone.

Those in power now are refitting our system to be absorbed into the New World Order. To stop this, progressives and liberals have to find a way to reach non-wealthy conservatives and convince them that, however appealing Bush’s “down-home” style, he has a different agenda than theirs. Many people turned to the Republican party looking for populism, something for ordinary people. They’ve been told the liberals and progressives are all pretentious intellectuals, and feel self-defensive. They wanted something “simpler”. So they chose a "cowboy" who can’t use big words and puts on a good show. But while Bush may be simple in some ways, his and his cohorts' conniving is not. It’s beyond belief that people of modest means chose a handful of super-wealthy elitists to represent them, but they did – twice!

Recent polls suggest that maybe some, at least, are starting to catch on. Right now is the time when we need a good spokeperson, someone actually out there in the political arena, who can talk to all of non-wealthy America about shared populist ideals – respect for ordinary people, especially. And we’ve got to remember that populism divides people into two categories only: super-wealthy and non-super-wealthy. (The Democrats divide everyone up into special interest groups – that’s a mistake.) If we can create a bridge – a populist bridge – and convince some who call themselves conservatives to come over to our side, we might stand half a chance of ousting the super-wealthy from power before it’s too late to take back our democracy intact.

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Thank you George for talking about moral and political philosophy
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 6, 2005 9:24 PM   
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I naively thought 'moral' was a bad word around here, I am glad to see it is not.

Thank you for capturing the historical significance of this moment in time and putting it out there for us to see. Thank you using words like traumatic.

These are incredible, incredible times we are living and participating in. I am glad I have been introduced to AlterNet so I can keep an eye on the world.

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» :) Posted by: Olympiada
» Liberal in the Bible Posted by: Olympiada
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How Ridiculous!
Posted by: Iana_gheddis on Sep 7, 2005 6:12 AM   
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What George Lakoff should have said to kick off this screech piece is that it is impossible to watch katrina without 'framing' the debate into another 'hate Bush' diatribe.
New york City had Rudy as a mayor, who did New orleans have? A political hack who happens to be a liberal. If the Feds come pouring into New Orleans prior to the drum beat of the press, He'd have had a fit! What kind of America lets federal troops deploy domestically without the local government's consent?
The National Guard belongs to the state, not Bush. Bush, knowing the rules, told Louisiana's governor to declare an emergency so that troops could go in and help. The governor refused. Then blamed Bush.
You people can embrace your liberal icons all you want, but when you really look at Katrina, all you see is liberal big government failure. STARTING with the mayor and ending with the governor--not forgetting the coddled masses of able bodied men helplessly waiting for the government to rescue them. Your reaction should be embarrassment, not blame Bush.

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» Iana_gheddis just plain wrong Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: How Ridiculous! Posted by: namaste
» RE: How Ridiculous! Posted by: wyrder42
» RE: How Ridiculous! Posted by: oldwoman
» RE: How Ridiculous! Posted by: fitzjohn
Moral and Political Philosophy
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 7, 2005 6:45 AM   
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Kudos to George Lakoff. Of all the articles that I have read on Katrina, his article is the most incisive and insightful piece. Many Americans have been buying into the neoliberal ideology and trust their neoliberal leaders both Republican and Democrat to serve the public interest. In a perverse sort of way, Katrina is a blessing in disguise. It exposes once and for all the fatal flaws in neoliberalsm. The weakenesses in the philosophy are floating on the waters in New Orleans or huddled in an attic without food and water, many near death. There are tens of thousands of people without homes and no prospects. Let these people be the tombstone of neoliberalism.

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» RE: Moral and Political Philosophy Posted by: Iana_gheddis
Empathy and Responsibility can exist in a streamlined Government
Posted by: alarm on Sep 7, 2005 9:33 AM   
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While I definitely agree with the idea that it is a lack of empathy and responsibilty in politics that is causing problems, I totally disagree that reduction of government is adding to them. As governments grow in scope and levels of bureacracy, the speed at which they move slows with red tape and approval at each level of decision making. Additionally, decisions made for what are faceless masses at the federal level are less likely to be empathetic than decisions made at the state and local level because local lawmakers can have closer relationships with the populations. A streamlined government can still implement intelligent and responsible practices in regards to disaster relief, environmental protection and health care if that governemnt is a responsible and caring one. In fact, the smaller the federal government is, the easier it is to watchdog and the easier it is to get more resources devoted to real action instead of paperwork and multiple levels of jumping through hoops. This doesn't mean that I am excusing anyone in the Bush administration, Bush himself, plus Blanco, or Nagin for that matter, from the necessary scrutiny to ensure that this fiasco won't happen again. Granted, the federal governments main purpose should be the efficient, fair and responsible protection of it's citizens, but miring it down with too many other responsibilities that can be taken care of by the states makes it's ability to do so slower, not faster.

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Government of the people,by the politicians, and for the contributors
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 7, 2005 9:56 AM   
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Liberal politics is the natural course for a "government of the people,for the people and by the people". We cannot expect the Democratic Party to be progressive while they toady to he same special interests that finance the Republican Party.
There are two things that must be done before we can start to control the government. First, we must control the politicians by being the sole source of campaign funding. Second, we must control corporations by stripping them of "person" status. Corporations should not have "rights" they should have revocable priveleges similar to radio and television broadcasters. Any corporation that doesn't serve the community as well as the stockholders should be liquidated.

Though we the people have the clout,
To vote the politicians out,
We'd still be ruled by sleazy "smarties"
Who pay money to both parties,
Now here's the truth without a doubt,
We can't vote those rascals out !

For the rest of this doggerel and a proposed campaign finance reform visit-
http://www.lincolninitiative.org

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" 'Bad Stuff Happens?' – Not to Bush"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 7, 2005 10:19 AM   
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I simply do not understand why Democrats are so afraid of seeming to be 'partisan'; that's why we have more than one party! They need to oppose, and hard, the anti-human policies of BushCo.

Laura Bush says "bad stuff happens"; oh, how sensitive and caring she is! Well, apparently it doesn't happen to her hubby the prez: thanks to his family, he skated through Yale and Harvard with a 'C' average, skated into the Air National Guard with the lowest entrance score allowable (and probably inflated at that); decided not to show up and fly anymore (say: AWOL, or deserter) without any reprimand; skipped out of the service 8 months early despite his stinking record; drank himself into a stupor for years, and yet slithered into the presidency by Supreme Court selection, not the vote; "won" reelection with rigged voting; and is still generally permitted by the media (and Democrats) to lie about nearly everything, from Iraq to WMD's to terrorism to Social Security to our military readiness and on and on. . . So what in hell would make anyone think this priveleged bozo would care one wit about the "little people" beneath him?!

Repeat after me, chicken-shit media, and red-state voters, and panty-waisted Democrats; repeat after me, "folks": HE...DOESN'T...CARE!!!

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Isn't our 'moral and political philosophy' the American Way?
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 7, 2005 2:35 PM   
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Doesn't the American Way lead to the American Dream? Or is it the other way around?

I understand that to be: Put everything up for sale. Only those who can buy it deserve to have it. Only those who "achieve and contribute" will have anything to sell and be able to buy it. (Unless they had pirates or robber barons or smugglers or mob dons or plain old thieves as their ancestors; and who are the exceptions to that among the independently wealthy?) (OK. No one can make a charge of 'universal' corruption stick. But then let's stop denying it where it is self-evident. Whose oil made the Bush family rich? What did they 'achieve and contribute' to deserve it? Then why are they better than the rest of us?)

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When the choice is mediocrity
Posted by: Basenjis on Sep 7, 2005 2:59 PM   
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If we had been smart enough to see through the blather and blab of political power brokers, we might have chosen leaders really qualified to do do what needs to be done to bring greatness back to this country. Instead, we chose mediocrity. So many people were charmed by a "plain spoken" admittedly C student that he was chosen for the most powerful position in the most powerful country in the world. What did we expect? Where should the anger be directed? For all we know, George Bush may be doing the very best he is capable of doing.

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standalone
Posted by: standalone on Sep 7, 2005 3:21 PM   
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...more liberal progressive principles...that's what we need...and people who think we've had enough of that 'compassion' are what? regressive reactionaries I guess...so sad what some people choose to believe even when the evidence of their eyes tells them something different...here's another pov...
The Reality Check: New Orleans: The Nanny State’s Bitter Fruit Posted by Justin Darr on 9/2/2005, 11:54 pm
(http://moveoff.net/).

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oscar59
Posted by: oscar59a on Sep 7, 2005 5:09 PM   
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1... We allow politicians to run campaigns based on generalities. No accountability creates a culture of failure.
2...We pay good money to our government in taxes as a sort of insurance policy for the big ticket items ( National defense, natural catastrophes, protection from unscrupuous business practices and people). Given our limited expectations of our government, we are constatntly let down. Quit trying to do everything.
3...The agency which houses FEMA is the same agency that is to protect us from the terrorists. We can't secure the Mexican borders etc. "what makes one believe they can protect us"?

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Enlightening
Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:40 PM   
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Lakoff's analysis of the root metaphors of the radical right are extremely perceptive. They have led me, in part, to view other aspects of American political life as evidence of the bankruptcy of these ideals. Not only did Katrina provide evidence that the central values of the right don't work. So do do the bankrupt city, county, state and federal budgets.

The right would have us think that humans are descended from independent cats or other individualists -- perhaps butterflies. However, the best evidence available to us now is that humans are among the primates. Human competition is based in human cooperation and learning. How, for example, would you like to converse in a language all of your own? Who would understand you?

Although imperfect, the enlightenment values under which the nation was founded offer some paths to knowledge and cooperation. Metaphors can be recognized, analyzed, discussed, and evaluated. Outcomes of many actions can be predicted. Social and cultural systems can be understood, at least a little. Perhaps Ben Franklin's pragmatism would be a good leavening in the mix of Jeffersonian idealism and Hamiltonian hard-headed business sense.

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A Ripe Plum. A Juicy Fig.
Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:58 PM   
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One comment regarding the Iraq War and the consequent disorder and mayhem has been that it is just what the radical right wanted. In destroying that country and deposing a despised dictator, Bush's forceful action has created a vast social experiment. The point of the experiment is not to gain knowledge. It is to show that the market fundamentalist religion of right wing economics works. When it works, all will be wonderful. There is no possibility that it won't work.

Think, then, toward New Orleans. Forget about the rest of the Gulf Coast for now. "Everybody" in America knows that New Orleans is a center of vice and corruption. Its history is much longer than that of Las Vegas city of lights that never go dim. Jazz is OK, sort of. But the booze. And Mardis Gras!

Of course, the hurricain and the nearby lake helped to wash the city clean. Nearly everybody is gone. The poor people are gone. If they couldn't afford a bus ticket out, how will they return. If there are no jobs and no housing and no electricity, sewer, water -- why will they return. And people with mortgages and no more income? What of them.

New Orleans is now a plum ripe for picking. It is a fig ready for sucking. The avaricious rich you can bet are salivating over their laptops right now planning on how to capitalize on this tragedy. Should they be denied their gawd gibbon rat to profit while making unctuous platitudes?

My bet is that the radical right virtues will insert themselves into New Orleans more quickly than FEMA. Then New Orleans will cease to be what it once was and will move toward a success story such as we see in Iraq.

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Correct, except more than even a political problem - it's spiritual
Posted by: TexasMike on Sep 7, 2005 8:02 PM   
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I agree completely with this post, but there's something going on here that is even deeper, more fundamental, more disturbing, and more difficult to solve than a mere political problem. It is, indeed, a problem of values, but values based on spiritual and religious considerations.

As a Christian who is a Democrat, I've been working with a group of folks to help Democrats with Christian swing voters. In our work we have come to realize that the problem isn't just that there are two opposing political approaches to Jesus's teachings, there are at least two fundamentally different understandings of those teachings. One, ours, is based on the commandment to love one another, and is right in line with Lakoff's characterization of progressive values. The other is based on my salvation, screw everyone else - especially if they don't conform to my view of Christian morality (which is predominantly Old Testament). This view is very consistent with Lakoff's characterization of right-wing conservatives.

Lakoff's work has validated what many of us have know for a long time, that we can't ignore identity and values. If we're going to address this problem completely it has to be done at a spiritual level in the churches. I'm clueless as to where to start, but I know it has to be done.

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Runningwater
Posted by: runningwater on Sep 7, 2005 11:34 PM   
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"Use the common wealth for the common god to better all our lives." "Government of the people, by the people, and for the people." Let's revive these principles to guide us.

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Less Government?
Posted by: Motioman on Sep 8, 2005 7:25 AM   
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Now that everyone knows what Republicans mean by less government, it's time to get rid of them and put our government back together. This time without the corporate control and incompetence.

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2 heads, no tails
Posted by: drd on Sep 8, 2005 5:45 PM   
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when u say that u know something needs to be done but dont have a clue, u r the other head of the REP/DEM coin. the REPs do things wrong, and the DEMs dont know how to do things right. the most important thing you could do to change things would be to vote for any independent candidate whether you agree w/ them or not. there is no hope when your 2 choices r evil or idiocy. try any other choice!
but to believe that the spirituality of the US is going to improve w/ the cloud of the DEM/REPs hanging over us is an immature fantasy. dont jump behind the flagellation of only the evil BUSHIES, but throw out their other half too. remember that 5-13 years ago, the reports of what could happen to N.O. were a generation old and greater. Clinton was in and it was the same.
please rethink what amount of change u want w/ what either side ever truly gives u.
observing at the beach...

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The solution to government failure is a bigger government??
Posted by: tedbecks on Sep 9, 2005 8:09 AM   
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I just can't believe the every which people on the right or left have twisted the Katrina tragedy to promote their own social agenda. The evidence overwhelmingly points to a failure in governments as the #1 reason for the deaths & suffering from this strategy. Your suggestion that increasing the size and power of the government as the answer is the most riddiculous suggestion yet. I believe Americans need to return to a self-sufficient attitude that existed in the early cold war years. Those were the years were many had constructed their own nuclear fallout shelters stocked with food. I also remember families staging evacuation drills with their families. We have been drawn away from this attitude of self-sufficency by the politicians promising us that a bloated government bureaucracy is all we need to protect us from all forms of disaters. Wake up America and start your own family disaster planning and stop depending on the government to save you.

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more Lakoff mumbojumbo
Posted by: wendigo on Sep 10, 2005 8:08 AM   
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like his stupid book "Moral Politics" in which he insists that "framing" is the problem,

Lakoff again delights the faux-intellectuals with his excessive polysyllabics and lingo-laden loopy language.

Meanwhile Lakoff is just another stooge of the ill-informed but well-meaning paleo-liberals.

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Another pompous Lakoff pronouncement
Posted by: burrowsx on Sep 10, 2005 8:48 AM   
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Lakoff has learned to say things in forty words what ought to be said in four. You cannot run a government if you believe that government is the enemy. Such a belief undermines any plans, any organized effort, and justifies the salting of FEMA and other government agencies with Arabian horse twits. Can it be any simpler?

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Do we have a better idea?
Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Sep 10, 2005 12:27 PM   
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Someone should propose an alternative reconstruction of NO, and indeed the whole central Gulf Coast.

Progressives all too conveniently cast themselves as whiners, obstructionists, political opportunists, negativists, etc., while "we're problem solvers."

Well, here's the problem and here's a solution.

For the last hundred years the Mississippi has wanted to flow into the Gulf through the Atchafalaya, to prevent which the Army Corps of Engineers walled it off.

Let the river have its way, not sluicing out to sea but spreading silt broadly over the delta, offsetting marsh subsidence, buffering NO from future hurricanes and all that good stuff, since (as the faith-based can plainly see) that's how God wants it.

Let Lake Ponchartrain keep what it won last week, giving top priority to a Dutch-North Sea-style barrier across its outlet to the Gulf.

Stop trying to preserve NO as a port and encourage its restoration as a National Historic Monument, and therefore (accept it) a tourist destination, less crime-ridden and corrupt but still offering loads of good dirty fun.

Establish NNO--a radically revisioned "New New Orleans"--as part of a new regional metropolitan authority of some sort, encompassing a long, skinny stretch along the reinforced levees of the "Old Mississippi."

Offer a variety of affordable urban and suburban housing up to a hundred miles from the downtown area, insisting on regional architectural styles, sound construction and affordability for all.

Connect the outer city and the suburbs to the downtown by a high-speed rail line.

Until the restored wetlands can buffer NNO from hurricanes, provide evacuation points along both west and east banks, with jet catamarans to get residents out quickly.

Build specialized port facilities in the Gulf and in the delta, with stringent environmental safeguards, perhaps as part of a new national energy policy.

Encourage both large and small private firms to establish or reestablish business in NNO, with special incentives for those of an innovative or socially concerned bent.

Make it clear that all of the above depend on local and state cooperation, but the Feds should take the lead in a region of such significance to the nation as a whole, a la FDR.

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Dems In a Ranch Called FreeRidingCowboys
Posted by: LieMeNot on Sep 11, 2005 5:35 AM   
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Free for All and All for Free.
For whatever reasons you are having a hardtime making ends meet, the DNC have the answers for you.
Food Stamps, welfare checks, rent subsidies, condom or abortion kits-all for nothing but your pledge to remain that way forever and support our party.
If your daughter is "raped by the whities and her body was smeared with human feces", we will send Al Sharpton to the rescue, regardless even if her story is a hoax.
If you have a "relative" detained at gitmo and being treated inhumanely, Durbin is the answer.
We have more services free of charge and all we asked for is nothing but for you to stay dependent to our services, and be our loyal FOLLOWERS.
Dropping out of school is strongly encouraged.
We, the DNC-DoNotCare-Party, will take care of your everyday needs, Vote For Us in this coming election.

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Breaking News: FEMA Adopts Color-coded Natural-Terror Advisory
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Sep 11, 2005 6:48 AM   
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DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff has ordered a new color-coded alert system for FEMA in the wake of its inept Katrina response. The top-secret codes will be communicated to FEMA personnel via GPS-controlled mood rings and the threat status will not be announced to the public.

New FEMA Natural Terror Color Codes

Gray: A massive storm is approaching and decisive action should be taken.

Tan: Ignore pending danger, it’s vacation season.

White: Storm is heading for a state governed by a Bush relative, spare no resource.

Black: Storm is headed toward, you know, implement Plan “B.”

No color: There is no “Plan B.”

Blue: Identify and vilify a blue-state governor for all failures attributable to FEMA.

Green: Massive clean-up contracts imminent, call Halliburton.

Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps being reported by media, issue gag order and confiscate cameras.

Bright Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps reaches White House, replace director and congratulate him for a job well done.

Brown: This is a category five, shit in your pants and proceed immediately to Dick Cheney’s bunker.

Full Article

Please excuse the Muse for reporting fantasy. As a Fairly Unbalanced Journalist, it is his calling.

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While I agree, this approach is too oblique
Posted by: kid oakland on Sep 12, 2005 12:34 PM   
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Katrina defines nothing more than Conservatism in Action.

It must be the occasion for Democrats not simply to enunciate a competing posture to the GOP, as you advocate here. We must flip the rock of conservative values and expose the toxic underside of what those values truly mean in practice.

And this must include, after Katrina, a frank discussion of
racial code words that enunciate the GOP's "Southern Strategy" which is more about tearing this country apart than bringing us together, and which, to this day, lies at the heart of the moral failure of Americans to build the just and equitable society we started to build in the era of the Kennedys and Dr. King, and that we know is our deep calling.

The single greatest obstacle to progress in America is the comfort everyday American voters have with the label conservative. A simple "partisan" attack on the GOP is not enough, people resist that...we need rebrand conservatism itself with Katrina, to make it toxic and expose it for what it is.

It's not enough to enunciate stand points and frames; we need to, as I've said elsewhere, crack the eggshell of the "comfort zone" of American voters. I have always thought that the breaking of this "comfort zone" was what your analysis pointed us to, Dr. Lakoff. I have not always felt however, that your writing actually went there.

Until progressive voters redefine coalition building in America...until we make a radical commitment to
sit in the same room and work together, urban and rural, rich and poor, black and white, we will only have gone half way.

We need, all of us, to put our hands upon that rock and flip it over, and it is that kind of 'radical' notion of solidarity and cooperation that will, finally, get us out of the wilderness and into a promised land we all know is possible in America.

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agree and
Posted by: redrobot on Sep 12, 2005 7:09 PM   
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Here's the thing, Lakoff says (about conservatives) "Their main value is [to] Rely on individual discipline and initiative". To a good many americans, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's the great amerian myth. On the other hand, when they hear the words "empathy" and "commonwealth" they think "welfare state" "taxes" and "Marxism".

But what's really problematic, and what kid is onto, is that the idea that people like Bush, Enron etc. got where they got because of "individual discipline and initiative" is bull crap. They are members of a privileged class who got where and what they got because they bought it or were born into it and because of who, not what, they know. And by lying and cheating, too. And this sort of aristocracy leads to arrogant, presumptuous and, yes, prejudiced notions about members of the underclass.

What needs to be exposed is what a bunch of meritless, unqualified, never-worked-an-honest-day grifters these fools are, how they work solely on behalf of the members of their caste and how they need to be gone, now!

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Reply to Mr. Lakoff
Posted by: fitzjohn on Sep 13, 2005 1:58 PM   
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I wonder if Mr. Lakoff suggests that Americans not contribute to Red Cross, Salvation Army, United Way, churches, and other nongovernmental efforts and instead wait on the response of governments? Perhaps Mr. Lakoff can tour the affected areas in Mr. Nagin's school buses and tell us who failed. And then perhaps he can tour the shelters in those same buses and tell us who succeeded. Ooops, I forgot about the buses being out of commission, my bad.

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What I would Do
Posted by: kfooks1 on Sep 19, 2005 2:03 PM   
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I do feel that the Democratic Pary is taking this with much emotional empathy and even though we are taking care of "our own" and we are not waiting for Bush, we must come together and demand an answer or a solution...as well as suggest solutions for future similiar crisis'. I would demand that Congress passes a bill where all state and local governments must have a prepared city and state plan (state create one, plan A and the local govt creates one, a plan B). And the plans must be reviewed for approval and re-reviewed every 5 years in order to re-mold to correlate with the growth of the city/state.

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