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The Post-Katrina Era
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The Katrina tragedy should become a watershed in American politics. This was when the usually invisible people suddenly appeared in all the anguish of their lives -- the impoverished, the old, the infirm, the kids and the low-wage workers with no cars, TVs or credit cards. They showed up on America's doorsteps, entered the living rooms and stayed. Katrina will not go away soon, and she has the power to change America.
The moral of Katrina is mostly being missed. It is not just a failure of execution (William Kristol), or that bad things just happen (Laura Bush). It was not just indifference by the President, or a lack of accountability, or a failure of federal-state communication, or corrupt appointments in FEMA, or the cutting of budgets for fixing levees, or the inexcusable absence of the National Guard off in Iraq. It was all of these and more, but they are the effects, not the cause.
The cause was political through and through -- a matter of values and principles. The progressive-liberal values are America's values, and we need to go back to them. The heart of progressive-liberal values is simple: empathy (caring about and for people) and responsibility (acting responsibly on that empathy). These values translate into a simple principle: Use the common wealth for the common good to better all our lives. In short, promoting the common good is the central role of government.
The right-wing conservatives now in power have the opposite values and principles. Their main value is Rely on individual discipline and initiative. The central principle: Government has no useful role. The only common good is the sum of individual goods. It's the difference between We're all in this together and You're on your own, buddy. It's the difference between Every citizen is entitled to protection and You're only entitled to what you can afford. It's the difference between connection and separation. It is this difference in moral and political philosophy that lies behind the tragedy of Katrina.
A lack of empathy and responsibility accounts for Bush's indifference and the government's delay in response, as well as the failure to plan for the security of the most vulnerable: the poor, the infirm, the aged, the children.
Eliminating as much as possible of the role of government accounts for the demotion of FEMA from cabinet rank, for Michael Brown's view that FEMA was a federal entitlement program to be cut, for the budget cuts in levee repair, for placing more responsibility on state and local government than they could handle, for the failure to fully employ the military, and for the lax regulation of toxic waste dumps contributing to a "toxic stew."
This was not just incompetence (though there was plenty of it), not just a natural disaster (though nature played its part), not just Bush (though he is accountable). This is a failure of moral and political philosophy -- a deadly failure. That is the deep truth behind this human tragedy, humanly caused.
It is a truth that needs to be told, starting now -- over and over. There can be no delay. The Bush administration is busy framing it in its own way: bad things just happen, it's no one's fault; the federal government did the best it could -- the problem was at the state and local level; we'll rebuild and everything will be okay; the people being shipped out will have better lives elsewhere, and jobs in Wal-Mart!
Unless the real truth is told starting now, the American people will accept it for lack of an alternative. The Democratic response so far is playing right into Bush's framing. By delaying a response for fear it will be called "partisan," the Democratic leadership is allowing Bush to frame the tragedy. And once it is framed, it is hard to reframe! It is time to start now.
Hurricane Katrina should also form the context in which to judge whether John Roberts is fit to be chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. The reason is simple: The Katrina Tragedy raises the most central issues of moral and political principles that will govern the future of this country. Katrina stands to be even more traumatic to America than 9/11. The failure of conservative principles in the Katrina Tragedy should, in the post-Katrina era, invalidate those principles -- and it should invalidate the right of George Bush to foist them on the country for the next 30 years.
John Roberts, as chief justice of a conservative court, would have enormous powers to impose on the nation those invalid principles. Do not be fooled by the arguments of "strict construction," "narrow interpretation" and the avoidance of "judicial activism" that will be brought forth in the hearings. What Roberts is brilliant at is the use of "narrow interpretations" to have maximal causal effect. Narrow interpretation, in his hands, can serve the purpose of radical conservative judicial activism.
Consider a small example, the Case of the Hapless Toad. The Constitution empowers Congress to regulate "commerce ... among the several states." This clause has been interpreted by the Court to make it the constitutional basis for much of civil rights legislation and all major environmental laws.
Over the past decade, the Court has been diminishing the powers of the federal government over the environment by limiting the scope of that clause, even limiting the application of the Clean Water Act. A completely narrow interpretation could eliminate all environmental laws (e.g., clean water and air, habitat protection) and threaten our civil rights. Roberts has written in favor such a narrow interpretation.
The case concerned a developer who wanted to build a large housing tract in California that would destroy one of the last remaining breeding grounds of the arroyo southwestern toad, threatening its continued existence. The U.S. Courts of Appeals on Washington, D.C., upheld the right to life of the toad species under the Endangered Species Act. But Roberts, in a July 2003 opinion, wrote that the Interstate Commerce Clause, on which the Endangered Species act is based, should not apply to "a hapless toad that, for reasons of its own, lives its entire life in California."
Such a narrowing would threaten the legal basis of the Endangered Species Act. Anti-discrimination legislation is also based on the Interstate Commerce Clause. What about discrimination wholly within one state? Were Roberts to apply a similar narrowing criterion, much of anti-discrimination law would go out the window.
The point is simple. Narrow interpretations can have massive causal effects and be a form of radical judicial activism in the conservative cause. After the Katrina Tragedy, we cannot afford a radically activist Chief Justice with the same philosophy that has failed America so badly. The ultimate moral and political issues apply in both cases. John Roberts as Chief Justice would be a danger to our democracy and possibly to our very lives.
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Posted by: nyebga on Sep 6, 2005 11:59 AM
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As a socio-linguistic anthropologist, I am well aware that framing determines our present, our future, and how we remember our past. Wonderful examples of this can be found in Keith Basso's work with the Western Apache.
I would like to offer my own frame. Perhaps it has been done before, perhaps by Lakoff, but I have been independently thinking this for most of the Bush years. The Bush administration governs with the idea that less government will lead to more success in the private sector and that as the wealth of the private sector grows, we all win as that wealth is distributed throughout the economy primarily through job creation.
In fact, many of the employees and shareholders of Enron believed the same thing. They believed that if they placed their faith and life savings in the hands of the Enron administration, that they would reap the wealth that Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling promised and seemed to know how to make. Unfortunately for 99.999% of the shareholders and employees of Enron, it was all a ruse. Those at the bottom waiting for the tide to lift their boats were left without even life jackets, while the Enron administration rode off in their stolen yachts.
The Bush administration has Enronned our society. For all of those middle-class and lower-class people who have put their faith in this administration's incompetent and greedy hands, you will be left behind with the rest of us.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 6, 2005 12:36 PM
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But isn't sounding good a conservative virtue?
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» Iraq War which is already proving to be worse than Vietnam
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» free cheese breeds killer rats
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» free corporate giveaways breeds ENRONIZATION
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» RE: Where are the Dems?
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» it's about backbone, not numbers
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» so if I've been saying it since 1980, why does Lakoff matter?
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» Because, it's the framing stupid.
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» The Dems are up your ass
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» So what have the Republicans done for you anyway?
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» RE: "Progressive Values" Lead To Dependent People And Organizations
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» Being American is too complicated
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» Nobody's saying overdependance. Do you prefer "screw you" government?
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» My Point exactly-Why can't poor blacks stop killing innocent people?
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Posted by: jbetterl on Sep 6, 2005 2:32 PM
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Courtesy of Doug Muder.
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:37 PM
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Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.
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» "The Other America" by Michael Harrington told us that in the '60s
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» Numbers of International Visitors in general are Falling
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» Nitsua's observation is correct.
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Posted by: scotts on Sep 6, 2005 4:47 PM
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How many hundreds of billions of US tax dollars does the Bush Administration have tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq? How many additional billions have been blown on the Department Of Homeland Security. If there was ever a case of useless government bloat, DHS is proving to be it, in New Orleans, before our eyes. Talk about all suit.
No. It's not that the right doesn't like spending government money. They love spending, and by the sh*tload. They just have different priorities.
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Posted by: ScottP on Sep 6, 2005 5:17 PM
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The fact that America is run by cruel thieves with the approval of a lynch mob of millions should not be cause to be depressed. This is the way our home has been for most of its history. The destruction of Iraq is horrible, but not as horrible as the destuction of Vietnam. Intentionally withholding support for New Orleans to let the poor die is horrible, but not as horrible as slavery was. We actually are making progress, and the fact that we can make the president even pretend to care about the death in NO is actually an improvement, and shows that we do have some power over his actions, since his preference would have been to chuckle at some racist jokes and get on with his golf game.
Let's keep up the pressure. Let's bring on the day when people like Bush are viewed as pathetic little misfits isolated in psychiatric wards receiving the medicine and therapy they need to become productive members of society. In the meantime, remember what they are: parasites.
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Posted by: ceholt on Sep 6, 2005 8:30 PM
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That one statement could be the basis of a strong populist campaign. It would make a great slogan in our fight against the Have’s and Have-More’s who are busy rebuilding our democracy into something else. Our political infrastructure is being changed, and before long, the democratic means of undoing the damage may be gone.
Those in power now are refitting our system to be absorbed into the New World Order. To stop this, progressives and liberals have to find a way to reach non-wealthy conservatives and convince them that, however appealing Bush’s “down-home” style, he has a different agenda than theirs. Many people turned to the Republican party looking for populism, something for ordinary people. They’ve been told the liberals and progressives are all pretentious intellectuals, and feel self-defensive. They wanted something “simpler”. So they chose a "cowboy" who can’t use big words and puts on a good show. But while Bush may be simple in some ways, his and his cohorts' conniving is not. It’s beyond belief that people of modest means chose a handful of super-wealthy elitists to represent them, but they did – twice!
Recent polls suggest that maybe some, at least, are starting to catch on. Right now is the time when we need a good spokeperson, someone actually out there in the political arena, who can talk to all of non-wealthy America about shared populist ideals – respect for ordinary people, especially. And we’ve got to remember that populism divides people into two categories only: super-wealthy and non-super-wealthy. (The Democrats divide everyone up into special interest groups – that’s a mistake.) If we can create a bridge – a populist bridge – and convince some who call themselves conservatives to come over to our side, we might stand half a chance of ousting the super-wealthy from power before it’s too late to take back our democracy intact.
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» excellent thoughts and well stated, too.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 6, 2005 9:24 PM
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Thank you for capturing the historical significance of this moment in time and putting it out there for us to see. Thank you using words like traumatic.
These are incredible, incredible times we are living and participating in. I am glad I have been introduced to AlterNet so I can keep an eye on the world.
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» Liberal in the Bible
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» Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams
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Posted by: Iana_gheddis on Sep 7, 2005 6:12 AM
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New york City had Rudy as a mayor, who did New orleans have? A political hack who happens to be a liberal. If the Feds come pouring into New Orleans prior to the drum beat of the press, He'd have had a fit! What kind of America lets federal troops deploy domestically without the local government's consent?
The National Guard belongs to the state, not Bush. Bush, knowing the rules, told Louisiana's governor to declare an emergency so that troops could go in and help. The governor refused. Then blamed Bush.
You people can embrace your liberal icons all you want, but when you really look at Katrina, all you see is liberal big government failure. STARTING with the mayor and ending with the governor--not forgetting the coddled masses of able bodied men helplessly waiting for the government to rescue them. Your reaction should be embarrassment, not blame Bush.
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - Typical rightwing bs - your rightwing gov't in D.C. is indeed to blame
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - Typical rightwing bs - your rightwing gov't in D.C. is indeed to blame
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» People have to be held accountable for their decisions....
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» Iana_gheddis just plain wrong
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - read the Red Cross website
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 7, 2005 6:45 AM
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 7, 2005 9:56 AM
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There are two things that must be done before we can start to control the government. First, we must control the politicians by being the sole source of campaign funding. Second, we must control corporations by stripping them of "person" status. Corporations should not have "rights" they should have revocable priveleges similar to radio and television broadcasters. Any corporation that doesn't serve the community as well as the stockholders should be liquidated.
Though we the people have the clout,
To vote the politicians out,
We'd still be ruled by sleazy "smarties"
Who pay money to both parties,
Now here's the truth without a doubt,
We can't vote those rascals out !
For the rest of this doggerel and a proposed campaign finance reform visit-
http://www.lincolninitiative.org
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 7, 2005 10:19 AM
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Laura Bush says "bad stuff happens"; oh, how sensitive and caring she is! Well, apparently it doesn't happen to her hubby the prez: thanks to his family, he skated through Yale and Harvard with a 'C' average, skated into the Air National Guard with the lowest entrance score allowable (and probably inflated at that); decided not to show up and fly anymore (say: AWOL, or deserter) without any reprimand; skipped out of the service 8 months early despite his stinking record; drank himself into a stupor for years, and yet slithered into the presidency by Supreme Court selection, not the vote; "won" reelection with rigged voting; and is still generally permitted by the media (and Democrats) to lie about nearly everything, from Iraq to WMD's to terrorism to Social Security to our military readiness and on and on. . . So what in hell would make anyone think this priveleged bozo would care one wit about the "little people" beneath him?!
Repeat after me, chicken-shit media, and red-state voters, and panty-waisted Democrats; repeat after me, "folks": HE...DOESN'T...CARE!!!
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 7, 2005 2:35 PM
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I understand that to be: Put everything up for sale. Only those who can buy it deserve to have it. Only those who "achieve and contribute" will have anything to sell and be able to buy it. (Unless they had pirates or robber barons or smugglers or mob dons or plain old thieves as their ancestors; and who are the exceptions to that among the independently wealthy?) (OK. No one can make a charge of 'universal' corruption stick. But then let's stop denying it where it is self-evident. Whose oil made the Bush family rich? What did they 'achieve and contribute' to deserve it? Then why are they better than the rest of us?)
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Posted by: Basenjis on Sep 7, 2005 2:59 PM
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Posted by: standalone on Sep 7, 2005 3:21 PM
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The Reality Check: New Orleans: The Nanny State’s Bitter Fruit Posted by Justin Darr on 9/2/2005, 11:54 pm
(http://moveoff.net/).
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Posted by: oscar59a on Sep 7, 2005 5:09 PM
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2...We pay good money to our government in taxes as a sort of insurance policy for the big ticket items ( National defense, natural catastrophes, protection from unscrupuous business practices and people). Given our limited expectations of our government, we are constatntly let down. Quit trying to do everything.
3...The agency which houses FEMA is the same agency that is to protect us from the terrorists. We can't secure the Mexican borders etc. "what makes one believe they can protect us"?
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Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:40 PM
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The right would have us think that humans are descended from independent cats or other individualists -- perhaps butterflies. However, the best evidence available to us now is that humans are among the primates. Human competition is based in human cooperation and learning. How, for example, would you like to converse in a language all of your own? Who would understand you?
Although imperfect, the enlightenment values under which the nation was founded offer some paths to knowledge and cooperation. Metaphors can be recognized, analyzed, discussed, and evaluated. Outcomes of many actions can be predicted. Social and cultural systems can be understood, at least a little. Perhaps Ben Franklin's pragmatism would be a good leavening in the mix of Jeffersonian idealism and Hamiltonian hard-headed business sense.
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Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:58 PM
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Think, then, toward New Orleans. Forget about the rest of the Gulf Coast for now. "Everybody" in America knows that New Orleans is a center of vice and corruption. Its history is much longer than that of Las Vegas city of lights that never go dim. Jazz is OK, sort of. But the booze. And Mardis Gras!
Of course, the hurricain and the nearby lake helped to wash the city clean. Nearly everybody is gone. The poor people are gone. If they couldn't afford a bus ticket out, how will they return. If there are no jobs and no housing and no electricity, sewer, water -- why will they return. And people with mortgages and no more income? What of them.
New Orleans is now a plum ripe for picking. It is a fig ready for sucking. The avaricious rich you can bet are salivating over their laptops right now planning on how to capitalize on this tragedy. Should they be denied their gawd gibbon rat to profit while making unctuous platitudes?
My bet is that the radical right virtues will insert themselves into New Orleans more quickly than FEMA. Then New Orleans will cease to be what it once was and will move toward a success story such as we see in Iraq.
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Posted by: TexasMike on Sep 7, 2005 8:02 PM
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As a Christian who is a Democrat, I've been working with a group of folks to help Democrats with Christian swing voters. In our work we have come to realize that the problem isn't just that there are two opposing political approaches to Jesus's teachings, there are at least two fundamentally different understandings of those teachings. One, ours, is based on the commandment to love one another, and is right in line with Lakoff's characterization of progressive values. The other is based on my salvation, screw everyone else - especially if they don't conform to my view of Christian morality (which is predominantly Old Testament). This view is very consistent with Lakoff's characterization of right-wing conservatives.
Lakoff's work has validated what many of us have know for a long time, that we can't ignore identity and values. If we're going to address this problem completely it has to be done at a spiritual level in the churches. I'm clueless as to where to start, but I know it has to be done.
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Posted by: runningwater on Sep 7, 2005 11:34 PM
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Posted by: Motioman on Sep 8, 2005 7:25 AM
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Posted by: drd on Sep 8, 2005 5:45 PM
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but to believe that the spirituality of the US is going to improve w/ the cloud of the DEM/REPs hanging over us is an immature fantasy. dont jump behind the flagellation of only the evil BUSHIES, but throw out their other half too. remember that 5-13 years ago, the reports of what could happen to N.O. were a generation old and greater. Clinton was in and it was the same.
please rethink what amount of change u want w/ what either side ever truly gives u.
observing at the beach...
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Posted by: tedbecks on Sep 9, 2005 8:09 AM
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Posted by: wendigo on Sep 10, 2005 8:08 AM
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Lakoff again delights the faux-intellectuals with his excessive polysyllabics and lingo-laden loopy language.
Meanwhile Lakoff is just another stooge of the ill-informed but well-meaning paleo-liberals.
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» RE: more Lakoff mumbojumbo
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» "true conservative"
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» It's not mumbojumbo at all. Get yourself an education and grow up.
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» two paragraphs that say nothing, but demonstrate...
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» Your useless rightwing bs demonstrates that you need mental counseling
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» wow, you sound just like Rush Limbaugh
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» RE: wendigo puts himself on the defensive
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» LOL
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» labels are for commerce
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» Reasonable - for wendigo
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» WTF does being "reasonable" have to do with anything?
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» wendigo, did you really think your misdirected anger would fool anyone?
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» what?
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» RE: what?
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» Deep
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» wendigo, you're losing yourself.
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Posted by: burrowsx on Sep 10, 2005 8:48 AM
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» RE: Another pompous Lakoff pronouncement
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» sides? why is it about sides?
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» why do you keep saying the same stupid thing?
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» You don't get it, do you?
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» translation for the heterosexuals, please.
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» Your misdirected anger has nothing to do with the topic
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» RE: translation for the heterosexuals, please.
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Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Sep 10, 2005 12:27 PM
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Progressives all too conveniently cast themselves as whiners, obstructionists, political opportunists, negativists, etc., while "we're problem solvers."
Well, here's the problem and here's a solution.
For the last hundred years the Mississippi has wanted to flow into the Gulf through the Atchafalaya, to prevent which the Army Corps of Engineers walled it off.
Let the river have its way, not sluicing out to sea but spreading silt broadly over the delta, offsetting marsh subsidence, buffering NO from future hurricanes and all that good stuff, since (as the faith-based can plainly see) that's how God wants it.
Let Lake Ponchartrain keep what it won last week, giving top priority to a Dutch-North Sea-style barrier across its outlet to the Gulf.
Stop trying to preserve NO as a port and encourage its restoration as a National Historic Monument, and therefore (accept it) a tourist destination, less crime-ridden and corrupt but still offering loads of good dirty fun.
Establish NNO--a radically revisioned "New New Orleans"--as part of a new regional metropolitan authority of some sort, encompassing a long, skinny stretch along the reinforced levees of the "Old Mississippi."
Offer a variety of affordable urban and suburban housing up to a hundred miles from the downtown area, insisting on regional architectural styles, sound construction and affordability for all.
Connect the outer city and the suburbs to the downtown by a high-speed rail line.
Until the restored wetlands can buffer NNO from hurricanes, provide evacuation points along both west and east banks, with jet catamarans to get residents out quickly.
Build specialized port facilities in the Gulf and in the delta, with stringent environmental safeguards, perhaps as part of a new national energy policy.
Encourage both large and small private firms to establish or reestablish business in NNO, with special incentives for those of an innovative or socially concerned bent.
Make it clear that all of the above depend on local and state cooperation, but the Feds should take the lead in a region of such significance to the nation as a whole, a la FDR.
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Posted by: LieMeNot on Sep 11, 2005 5:35 AM
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For whatever reasons you are having a hardtime making ends meet, the DNC have the answers for you.
Food Stamps, welfare checks, rent subsidies, condom or abortion kits-all for nothing but your pledge to remain that way forever and support our party.
If your daughter is "raped by the whities and her body was smeared with human feces", we will send Al Sharpton to the rescue, regardless even if her story is a hoax.
If you have a "relative" detained at gitmo and being treated inhumanely, Durbin is the answer.
We have more services free of charge and all we asked for is nothing but for you to stay dependent to our services, and be our loyal FOLLOWERS.
Dropping out of school is strongly encouraged.
We, the DNC-DoNotCare-Party, will take care of your everyday needs, Vote For Us in this coming election.
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» That's sick liemenot
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» RE: That's sick liemenot
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» What kind of sympathy is MLK for then?
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Sep 11, 2005 6:48 AM
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New FEMA Natural Terror Color Codes
Gray: A massive storm is approaching and decisive action should be taken.
Tan: Ignore pending danger, it’s vacation season.
White: Storm is heading for a state governed by a Bush relative, spare no resource.
Black: Storm is headed toward, you know, implement Plan “B.”
No color: There is no “Plan B.”
Blue: Identify and vilify a blue-state governor for all failures attributable to FEMA.
Green: Massive clean-up contracts imminent, call Halliburton.
Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps being reported by media, issue gag order and confiscate cameras.
Bright Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps reaches White House, replace director and congratulate him for a job well done.
Brown: This is a category five, shit in your pants and proceed immediately to Dick Cheney’s bunker.
Full Article
Please excuse the Muse for reporting fantasy. As a Fairly Unbalanced Journalist, it is his calling.
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Posted by: kid oakland on Sep 12, 2005 12:34 PM
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It must be the occasion for Democrats not simply to enunciate a competing posture to the GOP, as you advocate here. We must flip the rock of conservative values and expose the toxic underside of what those values truly mean in practice.
And this must include, after Katrina, a frank discussion of racial code words that enunciate the GOP's "Southern Strategy" which is more about tearing this country apart than bringing us together, and which, to this day, lies at the heart of the moral failure of Americans to build the just and equitable society we started to build in the era of the Kennedys and Dr. King, and that we know is our deep calling.
The single greatest obstacle to progress in America is the comfort everyday American voters have with the label conservative. A simple "partisan" attack on the GOP is not enough, people resist that...we need rebrand conservatism itself with Katrina, to make it toxic and expose it for what it is.
It's not enough to enunciate stand points and frames; we need to, as I've said elsewhere, crack the eggshell of the "comfort zone" of American voters. I have always thought that the breaking of this "comfort zone" was what your analysis pointed us to, Dr. Lakoff. I have not always felt however, that your writing actually went there.
Until progressive voters redefine coalition building in America...until we make a radical commitment to sit in the same room and work together, urban and rural, rich and poor, black and white, we will only have gone half way.
We need, all of us, to put our hands upon that rock and flip it over, and it is that kind of 'radical' notion of solidarity and cooperation that will, finally, get us out of the wilderness and into a promised land we all know is possible in America.
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Posted by: redrobot on Sep 12, 2005 7:09 PM
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But what's really problematic, and what kid is onto, is that the idea that people like Bush, Enron etc. got where they got because of "individual discipline and initiative" is bull crap. They are members of a privileged class who got where and what they got because they bought it or were born into it and because of who, not what, they know. And by lying and cheating, too. And this sort of aristocracy leads to arrogant, presumptuous and, yes, prejudiced notions about members of the underclass.
What needs to be exposed is what a bunch of meritless, unqualified, never-worked-an-honest-day grifters these fools are, how they work solely on behalf of the members of their caste and how they need to be gone, now!
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» You're missing the point.
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» RE: You're missing the point.
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» Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: You're missing the point.
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» Typical rightwing spin
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» RE: Typical leftwing idiocy
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» fitzjohn hates america alright
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» RE: fitzjohn hates america alright
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» Shame on you, Mr. Rove!
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» carsoncitygal and NDnative: where are you?
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Posted by: kfooks1 on Sep 19, 2005 2:03 PM
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Posted by: nyebga on Sep 6, 2005 11:59 AM
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As a socio-linguistic anthropologist, I am well aware that framing determines our present, our future, and how we remember our past. Wonderful examples of this can be found in Keith Basso's work with the Western Apache.
I would like to offer my own frame. Perhaps it has been done before, perhaps by Lakoff, but I have been independently thinking this for most of the Bush years. The Bush administration governs with the idea that less government will lead to more success in the private sector and that as the wealth of the private sector grows, we all win as that wealth is distributed throughout the economy primarily through job creation.
In fact, many of the employees and shareholders of Enron believed the same thing. They believed that if they placed their faith and life savings in the hands of the Enron administration, that they would reap the wealth that Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling promised and seemed to know how to make. Unfortunately for 99.999% of the shareholders and employees of Enron, it was all a ruse. Those at the bottom waiting for the tide to lift their boats were left without even life jackets, while the Enron administration rode off in their stolen yachts.
The Bush administration has Enronned our society. For all of those middle-class and lower-class people who have put their faith in this administration's incompetent and greedy hands, you will be left behind with the rest of us.
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» Wonderfully Put
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» RE: The Enronization of America
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» It's the pyramid!
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» $%&*#@ Reaganomics
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» RE: The Enronization of America - You didn't even read the article
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» Go to poor blackville-Get Killed
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 6, 2005 12:36 PM
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But isn't sounding good a conservative virtue?
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» Iraq War which is already proving to be worse than Vietnam
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» RE: Thank you, Dr. Lakoff. This is what people need to understand about why framing matters no matte
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» free cheese breeds killer rats
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» free corporate giveaways breeds ENRONIZATION
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» it's about backbone, not numbers
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» so if I've been saying it since 1980, why does Lakoff matter?
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» Because, it's the framing stupid.
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» RE: Where are the Dems?
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» The Dems are up your ass
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» So what have the Republicans done for you anyway?
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» RE: "Progressive Values" Lead To Dependent People And Organizations
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» Being American is too complicated
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» Nobody's saying overdependance. Do you prefer "screw you" government?
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» My Point exactly-Why can't poor blacks stop killing innocent people?
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» Do Trolls understand "self parody?"
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Courtesy of Doug Muder.
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:37 PM
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Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.
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» "The Other America" by Michael Harrington told us that in the '60s
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» Numbers of International Visitors in general are Falling
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» Nitsua's observation is correct.
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Posted by: scotts on Sep 6, 2005 4:47 PM
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How many hundreds of billions of US tax dollars does the Bush Administration have tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq? How many additional billions have been blown on the Department Of Homeland Security. If there was ever a case of useless government bloat, DHS is proving to be it, in New Orleans, before our eyes. Talk about all suit.
No. It's not that the right doesn't like spending government money. They love spending, and by the sh*tload. They just have different priorities.
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Posted by: ScottP on Sep 6, 2005 5:17 PM
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The fact that America is run by cruel thieves with the approval of a lynch mob of millions should not be cause to be depressed. This is the way our home has been for most of its history. The destruction of Iraq is horrible, but not as horrible as the destuction of Vietnam. Intentionally withholding support for New Orleans to let the poor die is horrible, but not as horrible as slavery was. We actually are making progress, and the fact that we can make the president even pretend to care about the death in NO is actually an improvement, and shows that we do have some power over his actions, since his preference would have been to chuckle at some racist jokes and get on with his golf game.
Let's keep up the pressure. Let's bring on the day when people like Bush are viewed as pathetic little misfits isolated in psychiatric wards receiving the medicine and therapy they need to become productive members of society. In the meantime, remember what they are: parasites.
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» What about the Black Killers Industrial Complex??
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Posted by: ceholt on Sep 6, 2005 8:30 PM
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That one statement could be the basis of a strong populist campaign. It would make a great slogan in our fight against the Have’s and Have-More’s who are busy rebuilding our democracy into something else. Our political infrastructure is being changed, and before long, the democratic means of undoing the damage may be gone.
Those in power now are refitting our system to be absorbed into the New World Order. To stop this, progressives and liberals have to find a way to reach non-wealthy conservatives and convince them that, however appealing Bush’s “down-home” style, he has a different agenda than theirs. Many people turned to the Republican party looking for populism, something for ordinary people. They’ve been told the liberals and progressives are all pretentious intellectuals, and feel self-defensive. They wanted something “simpler”. So they chose a "cowboy" who can’t use big words and puts on a good show. But while Bush may be simple in some ways, his and his cohorts' conniving is not. It’s beyond belief that people of modest means chose a handful of super-wealthy elitists to represent them, but they did – twice!
Recent polls suggest that maybe some, at least, are starting to catch on. Right now is the time when we need a good spokeperson, someone actually out there in the political arena, who can talk to all of non-wealthy America about shared populist ideals – respect for ordinary people, especially. And we’ve got to remember that populism divides people into two categories only: super-wealthy and non-super-wealthy. (The Democrats divide everyone up into special interest groups – that’s a mistake.) If we can create a bridge – a populist bridge – and convince some who call themselves conservatives to come over to our side, we might stand half a chance of ousting the super-wealthy from power before it’s too late to take back our democracy intact.
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» Not those who can afford, but those who have earned
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» excellent thoughts and well stated, too.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 6, 2005 9:24 PM
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Thank you for capturing the historical significance of this moment in time and putting it out there for us to see. Thank you using words like traumatic.
These are incredible, incredible times we are living and participating in. I am glad I have been introduced to AlterNet so I can keep an eye on the world.
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» :)
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» Liberal in the Bible
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» Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams
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Posted by: Iana_gheddis on Sep 7, 2005 6:12 AM
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New york City had Rudy as a mayor, who did New orleans have? A political hack who happens to be a liberal. If the Feds come pouring into New Orleans prior to the drum beat of the press, He'd have had a fit! What kind of America lets federal troops deploy domestically without the local government's consent?
The National Guard belongs to the state, not Bush. Bush, knowing the rules, told Louisiana's governor to declare an emergency so that troops could go in and help. The governor refused. Then blamed Bush.
You people can embrace your liberal icons all you want, but when you really look at Katrina, all you see is liberal big government failure. STARTING with the mayor and ending with the governor--not forgetting the coddled masses of able bodied men helplessly waiting for the government to rescue them. Your reaction should be embarrassment, not blame Bush.
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - Typical rightwing bs - your rightwing gov't in D.C. is indeed to blame
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - Typical rightwing bs - your rightwing gov't in D.C. is indeed to blame
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» People have to be held accountable for their decisions....
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» Iana_gheddis just plain wrong
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» RE: How Ridiculous! - read the Red Cross website
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» RE: How Ridiculous!
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» RE: How Ridiculous!
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» RE: How Ridiculous!
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 7, 2005 9:56 AM
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There are two things that must be done before we can start to control the government. First, we must control the politicians by being the sole source of campaign funding. Second, we must control corporations by stripping them of "person" status. Corporations should not have "rights" they should have revocable priveleges similar to radio and television broadcasters. Any corporation that doesn't serve the community as well as the stockholders should be liquidated.
Though we the people have the clout,
To vote the politicians out,
We'd still be ruled by sleazy "smarties"
Who pay money to both parties,
Now here's the truth without a doubt,
We can't vote those rascals out !
For the rest of this doggerel and a proposed campaign finance reform visit-
http://www.lincolninitiative.org
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 7, 2005 10:19 AM
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Laura Bush says "bad stuff happens"; oh, how sensitive and caring she is! Well, apparently it doesn't happen to her hubby the prez: thanks to his family, he skated through Yale and Harvard with a 'C' average, skated into the Air National Guard with the lowest entrance score allowable (and probably inflated at that); decided not to show up and fly anymore (say: AWOL, or deserter) without any reprimand; skipped out of the service 8 months early despite his stinking record; drank himself into a stupor for years, and yet slithered into the presidency by Supreme Court selection, not the vote; "won" reelection with rigged voting; and is still generally permitted by the media (and Democrats) to lie about nearly everything, from Iraq to WMD's to terrorism to Social Security to our military readiness and on and on. . . So what in hell would make anyone think this priveleged bozo would care one wit about the "little people" beneath him?!
Repeat after me, chicken-shit media, and red-state voters, and panty-waisted Democrats; repeat after me, "folks": HE...DOESN'T...CARE!!!
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 7, 2005 2:35 PM
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I understand that to be: Put everything up for sale. Only those who can buy it deserve to have it. Only those who "achieve and contribute" will have anything to sell and be able to buy it. (Unless they had pirates or robber barons or smugglers or mob dons or plain old thieves as their ancestors; and who are the exceptions to that among the independently wealthy?) (OK. No one can make a charge of 'universal' corruption stick. But then let's stop denying it where it is self-evident. Whose oil made the Bush family rich? What did they 'achieve and contribute' to deserve it? Then why are they better than the rest of us?)
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Posted by: Basenjis on Sep 7, 2005 2:59 PM
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Posted by: standalone on Sep 7, 2005 3:21 PM
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The Reality Check: New Orleans: The Nanny State’s Bitter Fruit Posted by Justin Darr on 9/2/2005, 11:54 pm
(http://moveoff.net/).
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Posted by: oscar59a on Sep 7, 2005 5:09 PM
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2...We pay good money to our government in taxes as a sort of insurance policy for the big ticket items ( National defense, natural catastrophes, protection from unscrupuous business practices and people). Given our limited expectations of our government, we are constatntly let down. Quit trying to do everything.
3...The agency which houses FEMA is the same agency that is to protect us from the terrorists. We can't secure the Mexican borders etc. "what makes one believe they can protect us"?
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Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:40 PM
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The right would have us think that humans are descended from independent cats or other individualists -- perhaps butterflies. However, the best evidence available to us now is that humans are among the primates. Human competition is based in human cooperation and learning. How, for example, would you like to converse in a language all of your own? Who would understand you?
Although imperfect, the enlightenment values under which the nation was founded offer some paths to knowledge and cooperation. Metaphors can be recognized, analyzed, discussed, and evaluated. Outcomes of many actions can be predicted. Social and cultural systems can be understood, at least a little. Perhaps Ben Franklin's pragmatism would be a good leavening in the mix of Jeffersonian idealism and Hamiltonian hard-headed business sense.
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Posted by: civilanthropologist on Sep 7, 2005 7:58 PM
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Think, then, toward New Orleans. Forget about the rest of the Gulf Coast for now. "Everybody" in America knows that New Orleans is a center of vice and corruption. Its history is much longer than that of Las Vegas city of lights that never go dim. Jazz is OK, sort of. But the booze. And Mardis Gras!
Of course, the hurricain and the nearby lake helped to wash the city clean. Nearly everybody is gone. The poor people are gone. If they couldn't afford a bus ticket out, how will they return. If there are no jobs and no housing and no electricity, sewer, water -- why will they return. And people with mortgages and no more income? What of them.
New Orleans is now a plum ripe for picking. It is a fig ready for sucking. The avaricious rich you can bet are salivating over their laptops right now planning on how to capitalize on this tragedy. Should they be denied their gawd gibbon rat to profit while making unctuous platitudes?
My bet is that the radical right virtues will insert themselves into New Orleans more quickly than FEMA. Then New Orleans will cease to be what it once was and will move toward a success story such as we see in Iraq.
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» Nice writing civilanthropologist
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Posted by: TexasMike on Sep 7, 2005 8:02 PM
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As a Christian who is a Democrat, I've been working with a group of folks to help Democrats with Christian swing voters. In our work we have come to realize that the problem isn't just that there are two opposing political approaches to Jesus's teachings, there are at least two fundamentally different understandings of those teachings. One, ours, is based on the commandment to love one another, and is right in line with Lakoff's characterization of progressive values. The other is based on my salvation, screw everyone else - especially if they don't conform to my view of Christian morality (which is predominantly Old Testament). This view is very consistent with Lakoff's characterization of right-wing conservatives.
Lakoff's work has validated what many of us have know for a long time, that we can't ignore identity and values. If we're going to address this problem completely it has to be done at a spiritual level in the churches. I'm clueless as to where to start, but I know it has to be done.
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Posted by: runningwater on Sep 7, 2005 11:34 PM
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Posted by: Motioman on Sep 8, 2005 7:25 AM
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Posted by: drd on Sep 8, 2005 5:45 PM
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but to believe that the spirituality of the US is going to improve w/ the cloud of the DEM/REPs hanging over us is an immature fantasy. dont jump behind the flagellation of only the evil BUSHIES, but throw out their other half too. remember that 5-13 years ago, the reports of what could happen to N.O. were a generation old and greater. Clinton was in and it was the same.
please rethink what amount of change u want w/ what either side ever truly gives u.
observing at the beach...
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Posted by: tedbecks on Sep 9, 2005 8:09 AM
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Posted by: wendigo on Sep 10, 2005 8:08 AM
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Lakoff again delights the faux-intellectuals with his excessive polysyllabics and lingo-laden loopy language.
Meanwhile Lakoff is just another stooge of the ill-informed but well-meaning paleo-liberals.
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» RE: more Lakoff mumbojumbo
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» "true conservative"
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» RE: "true conservative" - You may want to read this article as proof that Lakoff is correct
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» It's not mumbojumbo at all. Get yourself an education and grow up.
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» two paragraphs that say nothing, but demonstrate...
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» Your useless rightwing bs demonstrates that you need mental counseling
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» wow, you sound just like Rush Limbaugh
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» LOL
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» labels are for commerce
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» Reasonable - for wendigo
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» WTF does being "reasonable" have to do with anything?
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» wendigo, did you really think your misdirected anger would fool anyone?
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» what?
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» RE: what?
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» Deep
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» wendigo, you're losing yourself.
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Posted by: burrowsx on Sep 10, 2005 8:48 AM
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» RE: Another pompous Lakoff pronouncement
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» sides? why is it about sides?
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» RE: sides? why is it about sides? - To make a point clear, that's why.
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» why do you keep saying the same stupid thing?
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» You don't get it, do you?
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» translation for the heterosexuals, please.
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» Your misdirected anger has nothing to do with the topic
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» RE: translation for the heterosexuals, please.
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Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Sep 10, 2005 12:27 PM
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Progressives all too conveniently cast themselves as whiners, obstructionists, political opportunists, negativists, etc., while "we're problem solvers."
Well, here's the problem and here's a solution.
For the last hundred years the Mississippi has wanted to flow into the Gulf through the Atchafalaya, to prevent which the Army Corps of Engineers walled it off.
Let the river have its way, not sluicing out to sea but spreading silt broadly over the delta, offsetting marsh subsidence, buffering NO from future hurricanes and all that good stuff, since (as the faith-based can plainly see) that's how God wants it.
Let Lake Ponchartrain keep what it won last week, giving top priority to a Dutch-North Sea-style barrier across its outlet to the Gulf.
Stop trying to preserve NO as a port and encourage its restoration as a National Historic Monument, and therefore (accept it) a tourist destination, less crime-ridden and corrupt but still offering loads of good dirty fun.
Establish NNO--a radically revisioned "New New Orleans"--as part of a new regional metropolitan authority of some sort, encompassing a long, skinny stretch along the reinforced levees of the "Old Mississippi."
Offer a variety of affordable urban and suburban housing up to a hundred miles from the downtown area, insisting on regional architectural styles, sound construction and affordability for all.
Connect the outer city and the suburbs to the downtown by a high-speed rail line.
Until the restored wetlands can buffer NNO from hurricanes, provide evacuation points along both west and east banks, with jet catamarans to get residents out quickly.
Build specialized port facilities in the Gulf and in the delta, with stringent environmental safeguards, perhaps as part of a new national energy policy.
Encourage both large and small private firms to establish or reestablish business in NNO, with special incentives for those of an innovative or socially concerned bent.
Make it clear that all of the above depend on local and state cooperation, but the Feds should take the lead in a region of such significance to the nation as a whole, a la FDR.
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Posted by: LieMeNot on Sep 11, 2005 5:35 AM
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For whatever reasons you are having a hardtime making ends meet, the DNC have the answers for you.
Food Stamps, welfare checks, rent subsidies, condom or abortion kits-all for nothing but your pledge to remain that way forever and support our party.
If your daughter is "raped by the whities and her body was smeared with human feces", we will send Al Sharpton to the rescue, regardless even if her story is a hoax.
If you have a "relative" detained at gitmo and being treated inhumanely, Durbin is the answer.
We have more services free of charge and all we asked for is nothing but for you to stay dependent to our services, and be our loyal FOLLOWERS.
Dropping out of school is strongly encouraged.
We, the DNC-DoNotCare-Party, will take care of your everyday needs, Vote For Us in this coming election.
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» That's sick liemenot
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» What kind of sympathy is MLK for then?
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Sep 11, 2005 6:48 AM
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New FEMA Natural Terror Color Codes
Gray: A massive storm is approaching and decisive action should be taken.
Tan: Ignore pending danger, it’s vacation season.
White: Storm is heading for a state governed by a Bush relative, spare no resource.
Black: Storm is headed toward, you know, implement Plan “B.”
No color: There is no “Plan B.”
Blue: Identify and vilify a blue-state governor for all failures attributable to FEMA.
Green: Massive clean-up contracts imminent, call Halliburton.
Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps being reported by media, issue gag order and confiscate cameras.
Bright Red: Embarrassment over failures and missteps reaches White House, replace director and congratulate him for a job well done.
Brown: This is a category five, shit in your pants and proceed immediately to Dick Cheney’s bunker.
Full Article
Please excuse the Muse for reporting fantasy. As a Fairly Unbalanced Journalist, it is his calling.
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Posted by: kid oakland on Sep 12, 2005 12:34 PM
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It must be the occasion for Democrats not simply to enunciate a competing posture to the GOP, as you advocate here. We must flip the rock of conservative values and expose the toxic underside of what those values truly mean in practice.
And this must include, after Katrina, a frank discussion of racial code words that enunciate the GOP's "Southern Strategy" which is more about tearing this country apart than bringing us together, and which, to this day, lies at the heart of the moral failure of Americans to build the just and equitable society we started to build in the era of the Kennedys and Dr. King, and that we know is our deep calling.
The single greatest obstacle to progress in America is the comfort everyday American voters have with the label conservative. A simple "partisan" attack on the GOP is not enough, people resist that...we need rebrand conservatism itself with Katrina, to make it toxic and expose it for what it is.
It's not enough to enunciate stand points and frames; we need to, as I've said elsewhere, crack the eggshell of the "comfort zone" of American voters. I have always thought that the breaking of this "comfort zone" was what your analysis pointed us to, Dr. Lakoff. I have not always felt however, that your writing actually went there.
Until progressive voters redefine coalition building in America...until we make a radical commitment to sit in the same room and work together, urban and rural, rich and poor, black and white, we will only have gone half way.
We need, all of us, to put our hands upon that rock and flip it over, and it is that kind of 'radical' notion of solidarity and cooperation that will, finally, get us out of the wilderness and into a promised land we all know is possible in America.
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Posted by: redrobot on Sep 12, 2005 7:09 PM
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But what's really problematic, and what kid is onto, is that the idea that people like Bush, Enron etc. got where they got because of "individual discipline and initiative" is bull crap. They are members of a privileged class who got where and what they got because they bought it or were born into it and because of who, not what, they know. And by lying and cheating, too. And this sort of aristocracy leads to arrogant, presumptuous and, yes, prejudiced notions about members of the underclass.
What needs to be exposed is what a bunch of meritless, unqualified, never-worked-an-honest-day grifters these fools are, how they work solely on behalf of the members of their caste and how they need to be gone, now!
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Posted by: fitzjohn on Sep 13, 2005 1:58 PM
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» You're missing the point.
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» RE: You're missing the point.
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» Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: Your "Screw you people" point is already known but you missed the real point even more.
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» RE: You're missing the point.
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» Typical rightwing spin
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» RE: Typical leftwing idiocy
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» fitzjohn hates america alright
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» Shame on you, Mr. Rove!
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» carsoncitygal and NDnative: where are you?
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