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How the Poor Got Trapped

By Will Bunch, Attytood. Posted September 6, 2005.


Why was the issue of getting the poor and the car-less out of New Orleans treated like there was no solution, when there was so much that could have been done?
The Face of New Orleans
"The Face of New Orleans" (Photo credit: Sigmund Solares, 9/3/05)

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Last week, you learned how how locals and New Orleans-based Army Corps of Engineers begged the Bush administration to spend more money on shoring up the city's levees, to no avail. But as the hellish situation in the city slides deeper into anarchy, there is clearly another failure of equal importance -- and this time there's blame for everybody.

In the months leading up to Hurricane Katrina, it became increasingly clear to local officials that in the event of a killer storm, the No. 1 problem in a city with a 30-percent poverty rate was some 134,000 residents who did not have a car. They knew these people had no way to get out of town -- and that a Category 3 hurricane or stronger would likely bring a flood of Biblical proportions.

And so the plan was...to do nothing.

Well, almost nothing. This summer, as local officials were streamlining the counter-flow interstate traffic plan so that better-off New Orleans residents could leave more quickly, they also prepared a DVD for local churches and civil groups urging the poor to find a ride out of town.

They didn't say who from. They only said who it wouldn't be: The government. Even more amazing, the mayor of New Orleans took the city's buses -- the most viable means for getting poor residents out of town -- and used them to bring people to the Superdome, even as he was acknowledging that conditions there were bound to deteriorate.

This is from a story I filed last week for Philadelphia's Daily News.

"You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," local Red Cross executive director Kay Wilkins explained to the Times-Picayune just six weeks ago. "If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."

Ironically, the Red Cross has run a network of shelters in New Orleans in the event of hurricane warnings. But it decided several years ago not to open them for a Category 3 or stronger storm that it was more important to get people out of the below-sea-level area -- despite the lack of any organized system for transporting them.

Indeed, as Katrina bore down on New Orleans last weekend, Mayor Ray Nagin marshalled a fleet of city buses -- not to take the city's poor out of town but to the large shelter at the Superdome, where civil order would fall apart as the week progressed.

"Keep in mind, a hurricane, a Cat 5, with high winds, most likely will knock out all electricity in the city, and, therefore, the Superdome is not going to be a very comfortable place at some point in time," Nagin warned on Sunday. "So we're encouraging everyone to leave."

"It's almost as if the planning stopped at the flooding," said Craig E. Colton, a geography professor at Louisiana State University, wondering as many have at the lack of foresight.

By the way, here is more of the Times-Picayune story from July 24 this year about the city's DVD warning. The story begins: "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own." It says lower down:

Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action.

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Will Bunch is a senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News and author of the blog Attytood.

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What to do when you're up a creek without a paddle?
Posted by: Schnookums on Sep 6, 2005 1:26 AM   
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Is this the true product of a capitalistic society? Dog eat dog? Every man for himself? You are in charge of your own destiny? To hell (literally) with those who didn’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become a car owning member of society with the spare cash available to just up and take off to out of town hotels and wait for help? Where is the damn leadership that is expected of the people we elect to public office to oversee and manage the government agencies charged with preparedness? Is this just a simple budget issue? No. Is Bush’s budget axe to critical programs like the levy projects and evacuation task forces at least partly to blame? Damn straight it is. But what about living within your means? I am a normal American. I don’t have all the money in the world available to me to satisfy every need, or fund every contingency plan. I do the best with what I have, and it seems to me that despite all the foreshadowing that has been done of this probable biblical disaster…city authorities did little but TALK about what to do if and when it occurred. Hundreds of busses that could have been commandeered for evacuation, simply weren’t. Buses that were commandeered took residents to the most unlikely of safe places…to the middle of the destruction without any supplies to sustain them once they got there. I am not talking about (at least in this rant) about FEMA or state authorities and how they dealt with the destruction once the storm was all over, but what of the offices that were in charge of the basic evacuation plan itself? Is this what the tax dollars of the citizens of the affected Gulf States has been going to? Up here in the relatively uneventful Midwest I am left to wonder; How prepared is my local government for a biological terrorist attack? How prepared are they anywhere? I would like to think that they are more prepared than New Orleans was for a, by all accounts, more likely attack by mother nature...but probably not. Over half of the population said in the last election that the president was doing the right thing spending billions of dollars per week in Iraq. Don’t those people think that , despite Saddam being a horrible man, you sometimes have to look out for yourself first? For YOUR country first? For YOUR neighbor and neighborhoods first? For YOUR own children, indigent, and elderly first? How can they call themselves American?

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» Schnookums, Bad news for you Posted by: bogey11
Morally Bankrupt Administration
Posted by: rangerjim on Sep 6, 2005 3:36 AM   
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By their mishandling of the Katrina Disaster, not only has the Bush Administration demonstrated their moral bankruptcy, but demonstrated why they are so much like Hitler and the Nazis in so many ways. The message they are sending is this :THE POOR AND THE DEFENSELESS ARE EXPENDIBLE. What better way to trim the welfare rolls, among other things, than to have a natural disaster kill poor people by the thousands? It is like the Holocaust all over again. Bush is more interested in starting wars with other peoples than he is in taking care of his own. After seeing people sit for four days without food and water, I would say there is plenty of cause for an uprising and for people to take up arms and overthrow this administration,which is nothing but a puppet of greedy corporations..

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» Hitler and the Nazis Posted by: Olympiada
Got Feet
Posted by: Dan Becker on Sep 6, 2005 3:42 AM   
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Normally I tend to agree with many things on this blog, however, it is every humans obligation to take care of themself and the poor welfare recipients in New Orleans are what I consider to be proof the system is broken.

They are so used to being taken care of they simply forgot they didnt have feet and had two days of walking time to get out of Katrina's way.

Society has insulated everyone to the point they don't believe it is their own responsibility to take care of themselves and cannot even think of taking care of themselves

I believe had the able bodied people left in New Orleans walked out of harms way they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in.

Those who were un able to walk were let down by our society.

The people stealing (DVD players etc etc), raping, and killing at a time like this make me believe the black community has some self cleaning to do. If I was down there and saw people able to help and taking advantage of the lack of controlling authorities I would probably be inclined to shoot them.

As to the part of Bush spending too much in Iraq and fighting an unjustified war, I agree.

New Orleans is proof we have eliminated personal responsibility and I find it sad.

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» RE: Got Feet Posted by: beetruetoyou
» Hindsight is 20/20 Posted by: janvdb
» Foresight is 20/20 too Posted by: greenthinginwater
» RE: Got Feet Posted by: ELO
» RE: Got Feet Posted by: 911lady
» RE: Got Feet Posted by: Armafied
» RE: Got Feet Posted by: Dan Becker
» RE: Got Feet Posted by: Armafied
How about using cheap labor?
Posted by: superguy on Sep 6, 2005 3:57 AM   
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Its time to put welfare recipients to work! Al Sharp ton and Jesse Jackson should definitely lead the way! Make them work or cut them off! How does that sound? You could also use incarcerated felons. They literally have nothing better to do

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» RE: How about using cheap labor? Posted by: beetruetoyou
» Clueless and proud of it Posted by: greenthinginwater
» RE: Clueless and proud of it Posted by: beetruetoyou
» to greenthingie Posted by: beetruetoyou
Blind Faith
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 6, 2005 4:30 AM   
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So here's the dirty secret to the so-called faith-based initiative: it's just the government shifting responsibility away from itself. People who are dumb enough to think it has anything to do with religious commitment have been skunked. Missed the DVD? Too bad. What about the Bible where it says to love your neighbor as yourself? What about the Parable of the Good Samaritan? Those are about attitude; it's up to us to provide the transportation, and government is still best agency for that. If you're unable to get out of the city, you're probably unable to get to church. Didn't it dawn on FEMA or the Red Cross that the people with the most cars go to one kind of church and the people without much of anything go to others? Sunday morning, 11-noon, is still the most segregated hour in America.

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» Relax and get over it? Posted by: Olympiada
» RE: relax and get over it? Posted by: Diecash1
» COMPLETELY UNRELATED Posted by: Olympiada
If anyone failed the poor it was the people who use them as pawns
Posted by: greenthinginwater on Sep 6, 2005 4:35 AM   
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The poor should be taught the value of self reliance.

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» Self reliance Posted by: Olympiada
I'm Ashamed
Posted by: Sandra on Sep 6, 2005 6:19 AM   
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I'm ashamed for the people who have no compassion for those who are less fortunate. My father taught me that "there but for the grace of God go you".

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» Real compassion Posted by: greenthinginwater
» RE: eal compassion Posted by: jwg
» RE: Real compassion Posted by: Steve
» RE: eal compassion Posted by: bogey11
Didn't realize I was that prophetic...
Posted by: neilemac on Sep 6, 2005 6:43 AM   
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Had not realized how prophetic my words were when I wrote the following in response to those criticizing Cindy Sheehan's attempts for answers from President George W Jr. during his month long vacation (2nd in past 6 months) at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
if such a thing as karma is fact; dubya & clique are in for one 'hell' of a time. Sad thing is that America is condemned too for being party to their madness, [true, you put them in power] and now appear doomed to suffer inconceivable consequences for their actions; but only if the law of karma exists, eh!
I can't be the only one who saw this coming; but what's truly frightening is the question, "What's next?"
namasté

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» But I thought you said.... Posted by: beetruetoyou
Contrary to outragous assertions, they couldn't have been bussed out...
Posted by: leftylawyer on Sep 6, 2005 8:01 AM   
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The busses that took residents to the superdome simply couldn't have taken the same amount of people out of harm's way. You can move many more people in the short distance (and amount of time) to the superdome than you could in the great distance to get people out of the city and away.

Do the math: If you have a bus that holds 50 people, and can make a round trip in 20 minutes, you can move 150 people an hour. If the trip takes an 2 hours, that's 25 people an hour.

The real tragedy was the fact that local authorities did not have the resources to adequately respond and federal authorities failed miserably to fill the breach (to use a poor pun).

Specifically regarding the superdome, what would it have taken to have had the national guard there in force to coordinate and maintain order along with the red cross and/or other aid agencies to provide food, medical aid and comfort?

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» Cuba was a miracle then? Posted by: nakis
"The Feds Were Flooded Too –– With Bureaucracy"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 6, 2005 8:22 AM   
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From what I understand, on August 26, the Governor of Louisiana, among a $9 million emergency request, asked for $2 million to pay for transportation out of New Orleans – and was turned down flat by the feds.

Also, from what I understand, Louis Armstrong/New Orleans airport was not under water, and could have been used, as it is now, as a staging area for flying in aid on transport planes and then dispersing that aid by helicopter and amphibious vehicles to the survivors (CNN made a good point: "if we can get into town, and get supplies and gas, why can't the authorities?").

The "mistake" of the Mayor to sent people to the Superdome at least put a lot of people in need in one place where the National Guard could control the situation (IF support forces from Illinois and New Mexico had not been delayed by the feds), and where aid could have been concentrated.

There is no question that locally, officials did what they could with what little they had, but that the federal gov't. COMPLETELY screwed up –– while Bush played golf, Cheney hung out in Wyoming, Homeland Security and FEMA played bureaucratic games. . .and people died.

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» federal gov't Posted by: Olympiada
» RE: federal gov't Posted by: Jarnsaxa
» That book Posted by: Olympiada
RE: GOT FEET and a car, credit card, cash, food, water, strength...
Posted by: nelvana on Sep 6, 2005 8:23 AM   
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By the same token, then why should anyone else in the world outside the United States concern themselves with the horrific plight of the citizens of New Orleans? Or any other region devastated by tsunamis, cyclones and earthquakes? Does sitting on my butt, safe and sound thousands of miles from New Orleans, allow me to shrug and do nothing because this catastrophe befell citizens living in the "richest and most powerful country in the world"? I think not! At this moment my humanity dictates that I must do whatever I can to ease the pain and horror fellow human beings are being subjected to, through no fault of their own. And that is even more important when the authorities responsible for ensuring the safety and well-being of their citizens fail to do so. It is even more important when the people impacted by the disaster are the poorest members of society without access to SUV's, credit cards or even the basic necessities such as food and water. Walk a mile in their shoes....

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» the poorest members of society Posted by: Olympiada
"Fire the Uncaring Bastards"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 6, 2005 8:29 AM   
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The military ship BATAAN, with 6 operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds, a full medical staff, and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of clean water A DAY was sitting right off the Gulf Coast –– and was not utilized. What does THAT tell you about how much the federal government cared? Or that Michael Brown, head of FEMA, didn't know there were people at the Convention Center until Thursday (he should have watched CNN), or that Michael Chertoff of DHS referred to Louisiana as a city? All of the idiots leading Homeland Security and FEMA should be fired –– along with the president.

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» RE: "Fire the Uncaring Bastards" Posted by: monkeywrench
» RE: "Fire the Uncaring Bastards" Posted by: beetruetoyou
ignorance in abundance....
Posted by: mendomama on Sep 6, 2005 8:37 AM   
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When I read people's comments saying that folks should have gotten out, however they could - even by foot - I realize how very ignorant many people are to the realities of living in poverty, and have equally ignorant and judgmental attitudes towards those on welfare. Obviously, many are not privvy to the old adage, "living hand to mouth". It means what it says, and along with a growing number of Americans, I've lived it.

While pregnant with my first child, with no help from her father, I struggled to feed myself, not to mention, pay the rent and bills. Then, my mom said to go apply for aid. At first, I was too proud to even hear her out. She told me that her and my Dad, and my Grandparents had paid their share of taxes for dozens of years, so that people in my position could get the help they needed. So, I applied for aid.

Trouble was, because I had a job - they couldn't really help me - I made too much money! So, I got $50/month in food stamps, and applied for the mediCal that paid for my daughter's birth - but, I was still living hand to mouth. Now, if I had quit my job - they could have helped me more. Considering a large part of my pay went to pay for childcare, I would've been better off, financially, to quit my job and collect welfare. My daughter's father did the occasional 'under the table' job to get by, making sure he stayed under the radar - and of course, not helping me with financial obligations.

Most of what I did in a day was not by choice, but for survival. My own, and my daughter's. Now, 10 years later, I have another child, a wonderful husband, and have managed to pull up out of poverty. But, I will NEVER forget what it was like to do everything I could to provide for myself and my child, and to still fall short. I'll always remember what it was like to live off split pea soup, because it was the cheapest meal I could make ($0.33 for a small bag of split peas). Or how my junk car ran on fumes and a prayer - most of the time.

Those who are always blaming the less fortunate for their situations, usually have no idea what it's like to live like that. Nor, do they realize, that most would choose otherwise if they could. Those assumptions are disturbing enough on their own. But, to hear it applied to a catastrophe like this goes beyond ignorant, into totally heartless.

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» RE: ignorance in abundance.... Posted by: mendomama
» RE: ignorance in abundance.... Posted by: mendomama
» Thank you! Posted by: Olympiada
» RE: Thank you! Posted by: mendomama
» Rich when it comes to love Posted by: Olympiada
» RE: ich when it comes to love Posted by: mendomama
» In the Meantime Posted by: Olympiada
give a man a fish...
Posted by: Steve on Sep 6, 2005 8:49 AM   
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What greenthing really means, I'll teach you to fish in my pond so that you can catch fish for me... And then I'll let you buy some back from me, naturally at a price higher than you can afford with what I'm paying you... And if my pond gets polluted, well, you can fend for yourselves and you and your kids can die for all I care -- I've got business elsewhere. But hey , thanks for catching all them fish while you were around!

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M Florida
Posted by: M of Florida on Sep 6, 2005 9:11 AM   
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I want to know why the closed Military Bases in the area weren't used as Gov. Blanco requested for a place to take the evacuees and later the victims. These bases would only had to be resupplied. They have Medical Facilities, Housing, Schools, Post Offices, Stores and could be a Mini Town that could have kept many of these families together and saved lives. Now these misplaced citizens may never be able to return. A lot of Politics played a big roll in lack of Help moreso than Race in my opinon, divide and conquer!!! Remember under all that water is still prime property and so many of the owners may never get back to claim it. Here in Florida last year Miami was not hit but FEMA gave that area 31 million dollars plus paid for several funerals unrelated. So many in this Country seem to have the Jim Jones mentality and I keep waiting for BUSH and his Administration to start passing out the KOOL-AID. His loyal followers have bought every thing he has been selling. While Brother Jeb took care of Miami the town of Arcadia was ignored and now one of our Republican leaders has suggested we give the Insurance companies a Tax Break. Gas Co. are next. They gave Alaska money to build a bridge to an island of 50 residents that cost millions & millions of dollars but cut the funding & Corps of Engineers work on our Gulf Coast. Half of us voted against this group Dear God and I Pray you will not forsake us.

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» RE: M Florida Posted by: Lindie
Good questions, disturbing article
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 6, 2005 9:23 AM   
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As I read this the phrase I wrote down was "30% poverty rate". I would like to know what exactly is the poverty rate.

As someone who does not know how to drive, I can imagine how those poor survivors must feel. This is a horrid situation. There seems to be a real lack of humanitarianism in the people who are supposed to care for our citizens. I am dismayed.

The other thing is, and please do not take offense at this the lady whose user name starts with ma or something, why was a city built below sea level. Historical value put aside for a moment, why? See this is how I think. I always think about the environment...It does not make sense to me. For that matter, why build so close to the coast? I have been a member of the Green Party off and on probably for as long as I have been legal and always think about:
1. The ecosystem
2. How the indigneous people lived.

So what kind of dwellings did they have? Where did they build? Why does New Orleans exist in the first place?

These are my questions, and some might say 'irrelevant' but that is how my mind works. And why are there so many poor black people living in New Orleans? How does the history of slavery fit into all of this?

You see...things are not simple at all .

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» a major seaport Posted by: Olympiada
» Thank you Lindie for real Posted by: Olympiada
» What's the point? Posted by: beetruetoyou
» Pardon me? Posted by: Olympiada
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» I need to get over it? Posted by: Olympiada
Interesting Fact
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 6, 2005 9:38 AM   
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The Army Corps of Engineers budget for Levee Construction was CUT every year of the 8 years of the Clinton Administration and every year of the current administration (W). Aren't public records on the internet a wonderful thing?

The State and Local Governments, all run by Democrats since Reconstruction, have miserably failed their people.

If you are looking for political hate ammo, look elsewhere.

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» Reconstruction and New Orleans Posted by: Olympiada
» Cutting down vs Stopping Altogether Posted by: AdamSelene11726
Sorry for Disaster But No Sale on Guilt
Posted by: barrys new conversations on Sep 6, 2005 9:50 AM   
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Illegal immigrants walk across deserts to do jobs in America that 12.7% ( app.40 million) of our poor won't do. Why didn't the mobile walk out of New Orleans ?

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Who ran the Congress under Clinton and Bush II?
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 6, 2005 10:07 AM   
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It was Republicans who have written and passed the budgets since the Gingrich revolution: remember?

The responsibility for government action on hurricanes was spelled out in the legislation for establishing the Department of Homeland Security. FIRST responsibility, by law, is FEMA's.

We will hear a lot and read a lot of lies about responsibility, as on this site excusing Republicans and FEMA. They are inexcusable -- by law they are responsible.

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Consultation Assistant
Posted by: Jean Jearman on Sep 6, 2005 10:19 AM   
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Of course our government could have sent the medical ship on it's way the day before the storm as President Bush had already offically proclaimed New Orleans a disaster area, he could have sent in the National Guard immediately, could have sent suppies immediately and could have sent busses in before the storm to evacuate the poor. If this had happened to me when I was growing up, my dad would not have been able to evacuate our eight member family as we did not have any extra money. We lived from pay check to pay check, as I am still doing. Everything the president does is calculated. We have 10,000 dead already who will not be able to make an insurance claim. This sounds so heartless, yes, and his record is just as heartless.

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Groupthink! and Speilberg's script.(Part 1)
Posted by: timtufuga on Sep 6, 2005 10:24 AM   
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I had once been a student of public policy analysis as an undergraduate student at university, some years ago, I was curious to view the New Orleans situation from a townplanner decision making perspective, and could not help but consider the "what if" question of the original townplanner's lack of feasibility considerations in deciding to build a city below sea level in the first place. Building a city which was surrounded by waterways to the north, south, and east, of the city's environs. Then I had remembered an astute authority on this very subject on poor decision making, which has been called "Groupthink", by the author Janis Irving, whose prescriptions for detecting the symptons for very poor executive decisionmaking at townplanning level would only come into fruition for when a very ineluctably predictable disaster, such as a category five hurricane, would wreck its anticipated "Atlantis" like havoc upon presumably 'grouthinking' 'dumb' people living in Hurricane prone areas which are built below sea levels anyway. But, like the anticipation for the great Floods of Noah, such a far fetched Armaggedon can only be envisaged once in a millenia or if ever at all. The fact that Katrina had struck New Orleans with such awesome fatalistic power can not be considered as a surprise at all.

On a more class and racially located perspective, then perhaps we are not being guilty of groupthink at all but perhaps being calculatingly conniving on a devious level? Then, so what of the poor and afro-American dominated people who were hit the hardest then? These people were wooed by the promise of lower real estate valued properties in areas that would become "ethnic enclaves" ghettoes, but more importantly, was the fact that these so called areas were within the most exposed and vulnerable areas for would be Hurricanes and floodings? Then consider then that a cabal of 'groupthink' decisions making processes, by townplanners, for the poorfolk may be considered as merely contingent to their limited socio-economic choices, as opposed to say for poorer folk to opt to move to higher ground within New Orleans. Then, as a consequence, the ethnic minority quarter, not surprisingly, dominated by Afro-American residents, were to be considered as impoverished high risk residents, who would, inadvertanly, be bound to take on such a high calculated risk in settling in such a flood prone area which was cheaper and affordable for them to live in.

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Groupthink! and Speilberg's script.(Part 2)
Posted by: timtufuga on Sep 6, 2005 10:25 AM   
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The fact that the people of New Orleans had taken all conceivable steps to minimise the damage by evacuating New Orleans and or to seek shelter in the Superdome, seems a band aid preventative contingency option for a lack of effective townplanning decisionmaking in the first place.

The outcry and recriminations directed against FEMA and the Louisiana emergency management authority is merely a socio-political response to a hastened need to saving poor afro-Americans from drowning by expensive Search and Rescue Operations by Blackhawks and Hueys, and the lethargic boats to extract the sick and weak was expedient upon the value laden criteria as Sederberg once coined about class and the value of saving lives, in that "We are all on a sinking ship, he who is poorer sinks faster", and in this instance, the poor afro-american ghettoes were considered as a less of a priority by S&R from FEMA and others, compared to the more wealthier persons living elsewhere who were also in need of S&R. The onset of Anarchic nihilism and entropy was always an expected as response to chaotic and traumatic event such as Katrina, the presumably comprehensive synotic response by FEMA and other emergency services was bound to be incremental and spasmodic and spontaneous. The violence and the chaos was to be expected by some analysts, particularly from the aforementioned 'ghettoised' quarters.

The human condition is similar anywhere even in the purportedly most powerful nation in the world, whereby man in state of disquilibria and in a Hobbesian defination of chaotic and anarchic nature will respond along timeless and universal laws of nature, the instinct of man to be self serving, and less gregarious, comes to the fore, when his or her 'survival' is at stake. The movie script of "War of the worlds" might easily have been scripted for just a visualised displacement of humans from New Orleans and anywhere in Katrina's wake, except, in this instance, this was not a movie at all.

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You Have Always Been On Your Own
Posted by: phrelin on Sep 6, 2005 11:51 AM   
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As a retired California city manager, one thing I learned a long time ago is that in a large-area disaster all citizens are on their own for at least a day and local communities can expect no real help for at least a week. If you are going to play the blame game, look at the City. I dislike the Bush administration as much as anyone, but the feds have a huge bureaucracy created decades ago standing in the way of any significant response. Consider the following from an AP story today about San Francisco moving forward to house victims:

"But state Office of Emergency Services officials have warned San Francisco that it could lose out on federal money by responding too quickly to the Red Cross' request for help.

"'If any jurisdiction moves forward to make agreements to do things in a disaster period when they have not used the normal process that we have in California, they always take a risk of having expenses that are not eligible (for reimbursement),' Henry Renteria, director of the governor's Office of Emergency Services, said in a news conference Sunday."

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Should Have Heeded Ivan's Warnings
Posted by: 1rufus1 on Sep 6, 2005 2:21 PM   
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When Hurricane Ivan aimed its fury towards New Orleans last year only one third of its residents evacuated. Fortunately it steered east and hit Gulf Shores, sparing the city. This was a hurricane with sustained winds of 130 mph when it hit the U.S. Many experts warned that if that hurricane would have hit the city, the levees may not have held and water could rise to tree top level in some areas. They also warned of huge evacuation problems. That was a category 3 when it hit. Well, the city and State of Louisiana had fifty weeks to develop at least a feasable evacuation program for the poor and infirmed who lived within the high risk areas to get OUT of the city, not in poorly stocked or poorly protected facilities within city limits. Did they have one? Obviously not. Now the locals are blaming the US Government for most of the deaths in that city citing no funds to reinforce the levees, slow rescue response, the Iraq War taking much needed manpower and supplies, etc. when all that was needed was a good evacuation plan. If people want to stay and take their chances, then it's every man for himself. But at least provide a means to those who want to get out.

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Caste System in America !!!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:33 PM   
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The American Dream = The ability to move up in social class, make better for yourself, get a good job, movin' on up, etc.

Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.

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Slim Goody
Posted by: Slim Goody on Sep 7, 2005 12:55 PM   
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I agree that people with certain felony's be allowed to help with the clean up , but for different reasons. First we have to get these citizens in positive employment situations. Under present conditions a 'felon' can't get jobs that help to support themselves and their familys. It would be nice to know that they 'pay' their way and not rely on the welfare system or ignore it altogether and leave it to the taxpayers. Most people want gainful employment, we have to stop ignorning them.

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Buses left to drown
Posted by: cig2 on Sep 9, 2005 4:19 PM   
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The Mayor and Gov why these buses were stuck sitting and not used to get the people out who wanted to go before it hit.




They are useless now thanks to the Mayor.


This is a classic lack of city and state leadership. Classic. Looking for someone else to to do the heavy lifting. "I didn't do my job and now I'm pissed you didn't do my job." This is pathetic.



Over 200 ruined buses in this one photo could have hauled out 10,000 evacuees per trip. Mayor Gumbo needs to answer for his gross incompetence.

http://tinypic.com/bijv9j.jpg

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Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
Posted by: cig2 on Sep 9, 2005 4:22 PM   
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'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...


He HAD the buses. Hundreds of them. The horrible sight of *Hundreds* of buses unused in the flood water....

"http://home.mchsi.com/%7Eidkfa/bus2.jpg"

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Talk now
Posted by: cig2 on Sep 9, 2005 4:24 PM   
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Where were all these people three days prior when it was pretty evident NO and area was goping to get hit hard.

Did not hear Hillary telling the President to get get help down there now.
Did not hear jessie rushing to the media something needed to be done now.

ou all talk tough for a bunch of people who did nothing prior to hurrican and have probably done nothing since except b**ch about what is happening.

Maybe you donated a few dollars and feel that cleanses your soul.

I for one said nothing prior and have done nothing since, but I sure as hell am not going to cast dispersions on those people who are busting their asses trying to do good work.

You who ridicule have some f**k nerve.

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