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"We authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9-11, we gave the President unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places. You mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere in the world everybody's eyes light up. You mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying everyday that we can't figure out how to authorize the resources that we need?"The stories stack up before our eyes: Poignant portraits of human beings in ultimate pain from the yawning, unfathomable loss of loved ones, of all that means home; a feisty, passionate mayor who refuses to be political in the face of the mounting death toll; the racist imagery of desperation framed as criminality; and a governor who acts quickly to offer the death penalty for petty appropriation of property. As for punishment for the public neglect that caused the loss of life? There will be no shoot-to-kill orders on that one.
-- The Honorable Ray Nagin, Mayor of the City of New Orleans
Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama -- the states hardest hit by Katrina -- are for many African Americans our real home. No matter how comfortable we become in our digs in the cities to the north, this region is where many of us have our roots. It's where Big Mama showed us tomatoes on the vine. It holds the smell of clean linen, pressed hair and church pews on hot Sunday afternoons. Each crushed home, each missing relative is part of a chain that binds each of us one to another.
This is why millions of us watch the events unfold in horror and knowing. Horror at the incredible loss of life and knowing that once again we are forced to face the fact that to politicians, black life is cheap.
There has been a lot of discussion on the internet about the uneven, racist news coverage. The now famous Yahoo News story in which black people were described as looters and whites as "finding" food has found its way to mainstream media. Reporters want to know, "How could this happen?"
We know how. It happens everyday. Yet, this may be but a distraction from the more fundamental bias in the coverage and even more importantly, the bias in public policy.
Public infrastructure has been racialized for many decades now. The reason why those levees were not repaired, why there were no buses to evacuate the people that FEMA director Michael Brown callously described as "choosing not to evacuate" are all consequences of public policy that characterizes public investment -- particularly urban investment -- as wasted resources upon the undeserving.
After decades of constant attack, the local hospital, the neighborhood school, the park, the library have all become the institutional equivalent of welfare queens and "shiftless Negroes." According to the right, they are simply not worth your hard-earned money. Government is a gated community where those who can afford it can access its "amenities." All the rest of us will have to catch as catch can. People of color, low-income folk, those of us on the other side of the gate, know how deadly this can be.
Urban areas and other communities with high concentrations of people of color have suffered decades of disinvestment and disfranchisement. Urban areas are less likely to have fair representation at the state and federal level due to apportionment schemes designed to dilute their voting power. Therefore, they are more likely to lose their public hospitals and other critical services. In many states, the suburbs and rural areas are considered the "real" residents and the urban areas are political stepchildren.
Even in the face of thousands dead, Louisiana's governor has New Orleans mostly fending for itself. Local black residents report that many mainstream relief efforts are bypassing their neighborhoods and reporters are looking for "more sympathetic" victims (read white). Even celebrity coverage was skewed. Green Bay Packer and Kiln, Miss. native Brett Favre had cameras following him, while black future Hall of Famers, who also sustained serious losses, like Marshall Faulk, were mostly ignored.
Media coverage matters. Its relationship to public policy, and ultimately how the two shape our reality, is complex. The inhumane stereotypes and negative imagery help steer the public toward inhumane policies and savage behavior. A black man in a vestibule raises a wallet that morphs into a gun in the eyes of a cop. A mother looking for food becomes a drug-crazed criminal down the nose of a rifle. Seconds later, a loved one is gone.
It has to end.
African Americans and all people of goodwill can make a difference in this fight. Don't just watch the tragedy unfold and get angry. Pick up your phone, send off an email, talk about it with your neighbors, in your church, your mosque, your temple, your beauty salon. Write the President, Congress, the governor of Louisiana, FEMA Director Michael Brown, CNN and anyone else who treats our lives cheaply and let them know that we are not having it. Do it so your kids won't have to do it as often. Do it for Big Mama and Uncle John. Do it for all of us because we know, with the certainty of sunrise, that this dis won't be the last.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 6, 2005 4:00 AM
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I'm white and hardly the person to "rally the troops", so to speak. But the time has come for every black person in this country to get serious about politics. Every poll shows that an apallingly high percentage of them do not vote. The time has come to get in there and run these dispicable bastards out of town on a rail. You can start in Florida by defeating Harris, who is now a candidate for senate.
Get in there, get organized and defeat her.
Cheers!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: superguy on Sep 6, 2005 4:13 AM
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The city should be buried. then a layer should be built over the city raising it to sea level.
This labor should not be performed by Halliburton, but by people who have been receiving welfare! Welfare recipients should perform the necessary labor and you can also use incarcerated felons. They literally have nothing better to do.
These people owe a debt to society and its time that they paid it.
There , a nice positive idea without all the partisan bickering!
Have a great day!
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Posted by: guess on Sep 6, 2005 4:58 AM
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Get it through your thick heads,America,EVERYONE is expendable except for the wealthy. For those who closely follow the actions of Congress this fact is painfully clear.
But go ahead and blame the victims and when you finally realize that you too have been royally screwed don't expect any compassion from your slave masters. They are not listening and do not give a shit.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 6, 2005 5:31 AM
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Left-liberals are doing a real disservice to America by dividing issues like this along racial lines. Race has NOTHING to do with anything anymore - it's all rich and poor. It doesn't matter that Condi Rice is black; she's rich. It doesn't matter that the man crying about his mother drowning in a nursing home is white; he's poor. Even in the early years of our country, race really wasn't as important as we commonly believe - white servants were raped, beaten, killed, starved, and treated just as much like animals as blacks. The truth is that "race" or "white" or "black" are merely abstract concepts - people aren't oppressed by abstract concepts, they're oppressed by people!
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Posted by: philame on Sep 6, 2005 6:22 AM
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Anyway, despite the sorry blame-the-victim posts here, I echo Themba-Nixon's sentiments. When I saw the destruction down south it broke my heart and not only as an American. As a half-black person, I see the South as my cultural home and it deeply upset me to see a treasure like N.O. get destroyed. It upsets me that I finally read an article on Alternet that expresses how many black Americans feel about the South and it gets railed on. That speaks volumes. Are we not welcome here at Alternet? No, I think we are eventhough its hard reading the posts. But I will focus on people like Tom Degan and the editors at Alternet that decided to publish this article and know that my culture is valued here.
Thank you Themba-Nixon for this article! You captured well how racism concretely played a role in this mess, both in the events leading up to this tragedy and those that followed. It's a sad state of affairs. The only thing that gives me hope is seeing rescue workers and volunteers of all races helping out. So the institutions here may be racist (and some of the scary posters here at Alternet too!), but there's enough good people of all races pitching in to deal with the aftermath.
That we can have this discussion at all (despite the irritating, hateful posters attempts to shut it down) tells me the US is making progress. Let's keep the conversation going despite these disruptions by the scared and ignorant.
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" Let their churches take care of 'em" equals
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Posted by: clarasam on Sep 6, 2005 11:16 AM
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When the images of Katrina washed into our own homes, most Americans didn't see race or economic divisions. We saw people suffering from the ravages of a terrible storm, and communities throughout this country began to act, to send money, supplies and in some cases themselves. Shame on those of you who want to turn a natural disaster into a political debate about racism and class warfare. Those that continually talk about a nation that is divided by walls, are so blinded by the chip on their shoulder in the shape of the United States, that they can't even see that they are the ones building those very structures. Many that are helping across this country contend that Government and taxpayers shouldn't be forced to hold the hands of individuals who want to live their lives in an irresponsible manner, but we also understand the magnitude of this disaster and we put our politics and beliefs away for the day and just help without pointing fingers our blaming or asking why some people have a piece of the American pie and others don't.
Those that want to blame the White House and the Federal government, without even pointing a finger at the local and State government, have shown that they aren't interested in answers at all. They just reveal a rage and hatred of one man.
Why wasn't the Superdome and Convention center stocked with medical supplies....food, water?
Why were hundreds of school buses still in their parking lots?
Why weren't hospitals and nursing homes evacuated first?
How many people, black or white, rich or poor chose to stay in their homes?
Did the city have a disaster plan?
Did the State act a day late?
Did FEMA act a day late?
These are all questions that need to be answered, but not now.
There will be plenty of time for that.
This hurricane didn't choose one particular path of destruction. The man that owns the restaurant and the man that washes the dishes will go back home one day and their lives will be similar in so many ways. They'll rebuild their communities, their neighborhoods and their city with the help of the entire nation.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 6, 2005 11:35 AM
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P.S.: You rightwing nazis won't stop us from nailing your scumbag no matter how much hate spew you try to fill the forums with. This isn't your Foxnews or even CBS that you can bully to your liking.
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A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
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Posted by: BenjamminH on Sep 6, 2005 12:40 PM
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Governmental and economic activity are reflections of society's values. When our elected officials take our tax dollars and give them away to corporations, human rights abusing (but oil rich or strategically located) nations, while cutting servies like the Army Corps of Enigineers, and FEMA, they are speaking volumes about where our priorities are.
As far as private citizens helping each other out...that's great, but would we expect the same for our nation's military defense? and as far as charitable giving goes, what little is done by the upper echelons of soceity had declined with the massive tax cuts.
It's time for all of us to talk about REAL VALUES.
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Posted by: decembrist on Sep 6, 2005 12:41 PM
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2. Poverty is NOT always the result of bad habits, and in fact rarely is. Bad habits are most often the result of poverty... what people are missing is that it takes a very, very strong person to lift themself out of real poverty. Next time you criticize those who are poor by saying they have made bad decisions... take a moment and ask yourself if YOU yourself have would have what it takes to lift yourself out of a world of poverty that you wree born into. Very few of us do.
3. Racism exists in America. The evidence is abundantly clear. Most blacks live in poverty - citing examples of solitary rich black people - like Condoleeza Rice means nothing except that there are exceptions to every rule.
It is true that it is the rich against the poor... but that is only part of the story. It is also race against race. Abstract concept or not, race boils down to attitudes and actions that are decidedly not abstract. Poor whites do not stand in solidarity with their poor black brothers. Open your eyes, racism is simply a problem that must be overcome... and an understanding and reaching out by whites would be a damn good beginning.
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Posted by: philame on Sep 6, 2005 1:00 PM
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In the case of New Orleans, (and many American urban areas) these stereotypes prove deadly. Since the people of New Orleans were in large part treated in accordnace with the stereotypes Themba-Nixon described, a great way to work toward justice for them is allowing them to tell their stories. This will make them human to the far-too-many people who refuse them their humanity. Could Alternet do some interviews with actual survivors down there? (Of course after they've recovered.) We need to help them get justice and giving them a forum to tell their stories would be a great first step.
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 1:11 PM
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I know that NOLA is 62% af-american, but 99.9% of those left behind were af-american. How can anyone explain a spread like that? In a week's worth of coverage, I have seen ONE caucasian in NOLA. There were more white folks on the MS coast, to be sure, (my own caucasian family is there).
It's not so much that racism has been an issue in the hurricane response, it's that racism has always been a major part in our day to day lives since pilgrims landed and started killing off the Native Americans. RACISM IS HOW WE GOT HERE, disgusting as that is.
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Posted by: mthemba on Sep 6, 2005 2:11 PM
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:32 PM
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Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 6, 2005 4:34 PM
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Ok.
What this article indicates to me is the vast cultural difference between where I grew up, and the South. And yes, I have been to the South. And yes, I have friends from the South. And yes, my daughter's roots come from the south.
What this article reminds me of, or my experience on here today, is that there is still incredible hostility between 'blacks' and 'whites' 'haves' and 'have nots'. And 'liberals' towards 'Christians'. It is quite quite quite alarming...
My priest told us one day that civil war which was 121 years ago left deep deep deep wounds that people still feel. It is true. And these events show it.
Our country is not well, not well at all. The earth is weeping. And I weep with her. Lord have mercy.
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Posted by: Mein Bush on Sep 6, 2005 4:45 PM
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Please swamp Michael Moore with requests get to work on on "Fahrenheit Katrina" now!
I've already sent him my thoughts on what should be in this film, why don't you?
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Posted by: dvann66 on Sep 8, 2005 10:53 AM
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Makani, you are awesome as always.
thank you for the article and your beautiful articulation of the failure of the President and the Federal Government in general. Regardless of the percentages of AA's, Latino's and other minorities, it is clear that all were lumped together, once again, for the Gorvernments and Media's own agendas.
We as brown people, need to realize that only we can help ourselves. We must as "brown peoples" unite to stop the attrocities against us when often there are no wars fought on our behalf (war on poverty, economic justice, women's rights, etc.).
How dare the US government forsake its own poor to wage an all out war against poor brown people across the Atlantic Ocean.
Thank you Makani for starting this conversation and the article. Well done.
Dionne Vann
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 6, 2005 4:00 AM
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I'm white and hardly the person to "rally the troops", so to speak. But the time has come for every black person in this country to get serious about politics. Every poll shows that an apallingly high percentage of them do not vote. The time has come to get in there and run these dispicable bastards out of town on a rail. You can start in Florida by defeating Harris, who is now a candidate for senate.
Get in there, get organized and defeat her.
Cheers!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: superguy on Sep 6, 2005 4:13 AM
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The city should be buried. then a layer should be built over the city raising it to sea level.
This labor should not be performed by Halliburton, but by people who have been receiving welfare! Welfare recipients should perform the necessary labor and you can also use incarcerated felons. They literally have nothing better to do.
These people owe a debt to society and its time that they paid it.
There , a nice positive idea without all the partisan bickering!
Have a great day!
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Posted by: guess on Sep 6, 2005 4:58 AM
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Get it through your thick heads,America,EVERYONE is expendable except for the wealthy. For those who closely follow the actions of Congress this fact is painfully clear.
But go ahead and blame the victims and when you finally realize that you too have been royally screwed don't expect any compassion from your slave masters. They are not listening and do not give a shit.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 6, 2005 5:31 AM
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Left-liberals are doing a real disservice to America by dividing issues like this along racial lines. Race has NOTHING to do with anything anymore - it's all rich and poor. It doesn't matter that Condi Rice is black; she's rich. It doesn't matter that the man crying about his mother drowning in a nursing home is white; he's poor. Even in the early years of our country, race really wasn't as important as we commonly believe - white servants were raped, beaten, killed, starved, and treated just as much like animals as blacks. The truth is that "race" or "white" or "black" are merely abstract concepts - people aren't oppressed by abstract concepts, they're oppressed by people!
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Posted by: philame on Sep 6, 2005 6:22 AM
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Anyway, despite the sorry blame-the-victim posts here, I echo Themba-Nixon's sentiments. When I saw the destruction down south it broke my heart and not only as an American. As a half-black person, I see the South as my cultural home and it deeply upset me to see a treasure like N.O. get destroyed. It upsets me that I finally read an article on Alternet that expresses how many black Americans feel about the South and it gets railed on. That speaks volumes. Are we not welcome here at Alternet? No, I think we are eventhough its hard reading the posts. But I will focus on people like Tom Degan and the editors at Alternet that decided to publish this article and know that my culture is valued here.
Thank you Themba-Nixon for this article! You captured well how racism concretely played a role in this mess, both in the events leading up to this tragedy and those that followed. It's a sad state of affairs. The only thing that gives me hope is seeing rescue workers and volunteers of all races helping out. So the institutions here may be racist (and some of the scary posters here at Alternet too!), but there's enough good people of all races pitching in to deal with the aftermath.
That we can have this discussion at all (despite the irritating, hateful posters attempts to shut it down) tells me the US is making progress. Let's keep the conversation going despite these disruptions by the scared and ignorant.
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" Let their churches take care of 'em" equals
LET 'EM EAT CAKE !!!
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Posted by: clarasam on Sep 6, 2005 11:16 AM
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When the images of Katrina washed into our own homes, most Americans didn't see race or economic divisions. We saw people suffering from the ravages of a terrible storm, and communities throughout this country began to act, to send money, supplies and in some cases themselves. Shame on those of you who want to turn a natural disaster into a political debate about racism and class warfare. Those that continually talk about a nation that is divided by walls, are so blinded by the chip on their shoulder in the shape of the United States, that they can't even see that they are the ones building those very structures. Many that are helping across this country contend that Government and taxpayers shouldn't be forced to hold the hands of individuals who want to live their lives in an irresponsible manner, but we also understand the magnitude of this disaster and we put our politics and beliefs away for the day and just help without pointing fingers our blaming or asking why some people have a piece of the American pie and others don't.
Those that want to blame the White House and the Federal government, without even pointing a finger at the local and State government, have shown that they aren't interested in answers at all. They just reveal a rage and hatred of one man.
Why wasn't the Superdome and Convention center stocked with medical supplies....food, water?
Why were hundreds of school buses still in their parking lots?
Why weren't hospitals and nursing homes evacuated first?
How many people, black or white, rich or poor chose to stay in their homes?
Did the city have a disaster plan?
Did the State act a day late?
Did FEMA act a day late?
These are all questions that need to be answered, but not now.
There will be plenty of time for that.
This hurricane didn't choose one particular path of destruction. The man that owns the restaurant and the man that washes the dishes will go back home one day and their lives will be similar in so many ways. They'll rebuild their communities, their neighborhoods and their city with the help of the entire nation.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 6, 2005 11:35 AM
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P.S.: You rightwing nazis won't stop us from nailing your scumbag no matter how much hate spew you try to fill the forums with. This isn't your Foxnews or even CBS that you can bully to your liking.
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A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
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Posted by: BenjamminH on Sep 6, 2005 12:40 PM
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Governmental and economic activity are reflections of society's values. When our elected officials take our tax dollars and give them away to corporations, human rights abusing (but oil rich or strategically located) nations, while cutting servies like the Army Corps of Enigineers, and FEMA, they are speaking volumes about where our priorities are.
As far as private citizens helping each other out...that's great, but would we expect the same for our nation's military defense? and as far as charitable giving goes, what little is done by the upper echelons of soceity had declined with the massive tax cuts.
It's time for all of us to talk about REAL VALUES.
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2. Poverty is NOT always the result of bad habits, and in fact rarely is. Bad habits are most often the result of poverty... what people are missing is that it takes a very, very strong person to lift themself out of real poverty. Next time you criticize those who are poor by saying they have made bad decisions... take a moment and ask yourself if YOU yourself have would have what it takes to lift yourself out of a world of poverty that you wree born into. Very few of us do.
3. Racism exists in America. The evidence is abundantly clear. Most blacks live in poverty - citing examples of solitary rich black people - like Condoleeza Rice means nothing except that there are exceptions to every rule.
It is true that it is the rich against the poor... but that is only part of the story. It is also race against race. Abstract concept or not, race boils down to attitudes and actions that are decidedly not abstract. Poor whites do not stand in solidarity with their poor black brothers. Open your eyes, racism is simply a problem that must be overcome... and an understanding and reaching out by whites would be a damn good beginning.
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In the case of New Orleans, (and many American urban areas) these stereotypes prove deadly. Since the people of New Orleans were in large part treated in accordnace with the stereotypes Themba-Nixon described, a great way to work toward justice for them is allowing them to tell their stories. This will make them human to the far-too-many people who refuse them their humanity. Could Alternet do some interviews with actual survivors down there? (Of course after they've recovered.) We need to help them get justice and giving them a forum to tell their stories would be a great first step.
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 1:11 PM
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I know that NOLA is 62% af-american, but 99.9% of those left behind were af-american. How can anyone explain a spread like that? In a week's worth of coverage, I have seen ONE caucasian in NOLA. There were more white folks on the MS coast, to be sure, (my own caucasian family is there).
It's not so much that racism has been an issue in the hurricane response, it's that racism has always been a major part in our day to day lives since pilgrims landed and started killing off the Native Americans. RACISM IS HOW WE GOT HERE, disgusting as that is.
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Posted by: mthemba on Sep 6, 2005 2:11 PM
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 6, 2005 3:32 PM
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Also known as Vertical Social mobility. People used to call America the land of opportunity because of vertical social mobility. Our country once offered people this dream of moving on up. Studies show that Western Europe is now the home of the American Dream. Studies over the past two decades show that Americans tend to stay in the social class they were born in. Without social mobility we may end up with a caste system, like in India. People are simply born into a class, and stuck there. No matter what.
We are already seeing drastic drops in international student enrollment here, maybe the rest of the world no longer sees opportunity here. They will likely find opportunity in the regions with more social mobility. Western Europe.
This is why many in NOLA got stuck. They have been stuck socially since day 1.
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Ok.
What this article indicates to me is the vast cultural difference between where I grew up, and the South. And yes, I have been to the South. And yes, I have friends from the South. And yes, my daughter's roots come from the south.
What this article reminds me of, or my experience on here today, is that there is still incredible hostility between 'blacks' and 'whites' 'haves' and 'have nots'. And 'liberals' towards 'Christians'. It is quite quite quite alarming...
My priest told us one day that civil war which was 121 years ago left deep deep deep wounds that people still feel. It is true. And these events show it.
Our country is not well, not well at all. The earth is weeping. And I weep with her. Lord have mercy.
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Posted by: Mein Bush on Sep 6, 2005 4:45 PM
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Please swamp Michael Moore with requests get to work on on "Fahrenheit Katrina" now!
I've already sent him my thoughts on what should be in this film, why don't you?
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Posted by: dvann66 on Sep 8, 2005 10:53 AM
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Makani, you are awesome as always.
thank you for the article and your beautiful articulation of the failure of the President and the Federal Government in general. Regardless of the percentages of AA's, Latino's and other minorities, it is clear that all were lumped together, once again, for the Gorvernments and Media's own agendas.
We as brown people, need to realize that only we can help ourselves. We must as "brown peoples" unite to stop the attrocities against us when often there are no wars fought on our behalf (war on poverty, economic justice, women's rights, etc.).
How dare the US government forsake its own poor to wage an all out war against poor brown people across the Atlantic Ocean.
Thank you Makani for starting this conversation and the article. Well done.
Dionne Vann
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