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Survival In New Orleans
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Thursday, Sept. 1
12:11am.
New Orleans Police Department Status: The situation for the NOPD is critical. This is firsthand information I have from an NOPD officer we're giving shelter to. Their command and control infrastructure is shot. They have limited to no communication whatsoever. He didn't even know the city was under martial law until we told him! His precinct (5th Precinct) is underwater! UNDERWATER -- every vehicle underwater. They had to commander moving trucks like Ryder and U-Haul to get around. The coroner's office is shut down so bodies are being covered in leaves at best or left where they lie at worst.
They don't even know their own rules of engagement. He says the force is impotent right now. They have no idea what's going on, no coordination, virtually no comms, etc. the National Guard is gonna air drop a radio system for them with 200 radios? They are getting very little direction.
The 3rd District bugged out to Baton Rouge because they flooded out.
His quote: "It's a zoo."
More firsthand information direct from him shortly. He's trying to recover.
I am not trying to be an alarmist, but until we get a military presence of signicance in the city, the roving gangs of thugs own the streets.
12:35am.
More from the police officer. I'm typing as fast as I can while he talks to us. He's only hearing bits and pieces. The people in the city are shooting at the police. They're upset that they're not getting help quickly enough. The firemen keep calling because they're under fire. He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers. Here it is five days ago the mayor said get out of town and nobody went and now they're pissed.
The National Guard was at the Hilton, but now the Hilton is evacuated. When they said the CBD was gonna get six feet of water, it seems like everyone evacuated.
He turned the corner onto Canal Street and it looked like a flea market. People breaking into every store, going to the neutral gound (median) and trading and selling everything.
They broke into Winn Dixie Monday night. Do they steal food? No. Cigarettes and liquor. Store was a mess. All the meats were going to waste so the districts went over there to salvage food for officers. Many cops have been eating MREs.
The Iberville Housing Projects got pissed off because the police started to "shop" after they kicked out looters. Then they started shooting at cops. When the cops left, the looters looted everything. There's probably not a grocery left in this city.
Over 30 officers have quit over the last three days. Out of 160 officers in his district maybe 55 or 60 are working. He hasn't seen several since Sunday. HQ is closed, evacuated. No phones to contact them.
2:15am.
It's been a very long day. I'm going to crash for a bit and try to get five hours or so of sleep. I apologize again that I cannot respond to each IM. I am trying. We've got that IRC channel going and I'll try to get in there for a while later in the day.
I am going to debrief the police officer completely in the morning. He was utterly fatigued, thirsty, and wanted to find out what the hell was really going on.
It is a zoo out there though, make no mistake. It's the wild kingdom. It's Lord of the Flies. That doesn't mean there's murder on every street corner. But what it does mean is that the rule of law has collapsed, that there is no order, and that property rights cannot and are not being enforced. Anyone who is on the streets is in immediate danger of being robbed and killed. It's that bad.
8:26 am.
Best night sleep I've had so far. Woke up without back pain for the first time since before this thing started. I've been sleeping on the carpet, and that's a very thin layer covering the hard concrete. It takes about three days to get accustomed to sleeping on concrete -- I know that from my my days of sleeping on asphalt when the army couldn't provide better. I need to perform personal hygiene in a little bit, but I wanted to check in first and let everyone know that Outpost Crystal is still a viable and functioning camp of civilization in the face of the lawless barbarian hordes who threaten at all times to turn what's left of New Orleans into the war of all against all. It's like Mogadishu out there, but we're in a fixed defensive position and prepared.
9:36am.
We have permission from the City and from FEMA to truck in diesel. We have the ability to take on 1300-1500 more gallons of diesel fuel. If you or anyone you know is capable of bringing us fuel, we will pay for it. It would be best if the delivery truck could navigate a parking garage, otherwise the unloading will be hours -- no idea how long it could take.
10:12am.
1. There is a mass exodus for the Mississippi River Bridges (Crescent City Connection) from the CBD. We are not sure what's going on, but we are assuming until we hear differently that people are fleeing the city. So if you're watching the feeds, that's what you're seeing -- throngs of people moving toward the bridges.
2. Cannot confirm any of the following: Superdome fire, two shot police officers this morning. We hear all kinds of stuff, but no way to verify those.
3. Can confirm: The National Guard, FEMA, the NOPD, and City authorities DO NOT have the city under control. There are live radio feeds for the National Guard comms and NOPD comms which have been circulating the web, and you can listen to the chaos and disarray for yourselves. I am not going to post the links, but I'm sure others have and will. I doubt the government's ability to reestablish order without a full active duty military presence to crush the mob mentality. This of course will mean no civil rights and everyone being treated equally -- as a criminal. Rock | Hard Place.
4. I'm happy to report that my parents are accounted for. My mother made it out to Jackson, Mississippi, and my father, the only person more strong-willed than myself, is still in Harahan, healthy but refusing to leave. Mounting a rescue operation to bring him into the Outpost Crystal is a very low priority mission at this point. He's gonna have to tough it out for the time being. For him to read later, when this is all over: "Dad, I love you. I have to say it -- I told you so." Stubborn guy, my dad.
10:27am.
We've got fuel coming in NOW. Going dowstairs now.
11:50am.
My first tactical mistake. We were unprepared to accept the fuel when it arrived. The fuel arrived way too soon for us and we did not have all the empty drums down one ground floor when they got here. The driver had other deliveries to make, so rather than waste his time, I told him we'd recoordinate and be ready for him later today or tomorrow.
That's the bad news. Here's the worse news:
All of our providers are dropping. We're down to one. We have enough fuel to keep us powered for a long time, but we could lose internet access soon if our last provider drops. So I guess what I'm saying is that any moment could be my last moment online. If we do lose internet, Outpost Crystal might have to be abandoned by all but Sig and myself. I've got to get Crystal out of here safely and relocated to someplace out of this state. I'm working on escape routes now.
I'm not leaving, so stop asking. I'm staying. I am staying until this shitstorm has blown itself out. Period. End of discussion.
Now for some updates:
1. Been too busy to debrief the police officer, so that will come later. Low priority now.
2. Buses loading people up on Camp Street to take refugees to Dallas, or so the word on the street (literally) is.
3. Dead bodies everywhere: convention center, down camp street, all over.
4. National Guard shoving water off the backs of trucks. They're just pushing it off without stopping, people don't even know it's there at first -- they drop it on the side in debris, there's no sign or distribution point -- people are scared to go near it at first, because the drop points are guarded by troops or federal agents with assault rifles who don't let people come near them, which scares people off. It is a mess. When people actually get to the water, they are in such a rush to get it that one family left their small child behind and forget about him until Sig carried him back to the family.
It's raining now and I guess that's a relief from the heat. It's hot as hell down there in the sun. Crime is absolutely rampant: rapes, murders, rape-murder combinations.
In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault -- I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost.
1:28pm.
The word is that in Jefferson Parish and Orleans, FEMA has "bugged out." They haven't brought supplies in.
THE REAL MILITARY IS NOW FLOWING IN. National Guard is being replaced before our eyes. Word is that the Marines are at 1515 Poydras.
On another note: I've just been told that we're being monitored in Iraq! To all the troops there, from one soldier to another, we're hanging tough here and you hang tough too. No matter what you're hearing, we love you guys and want you to know that we know how hard you've got it. Stay strong!
4pm.
My screw-up earlier with respect to diesel preparations has been rectified. We've got 18 drums on the floor level awaiting the next truck delivery today or tomorrow. We had to empty all drums into the tanks, move them down there, work on the building's small emergency power generator to get the freight elevator working (this included hand-pumping a couple of drums of fuel into the tank), and a whole lot of other crap.... Not gonna bore you with the mundane.
Then we had to take a router down to city hall to try to get the city rolling on their internet. That included wading through water. God, the city is a mess when you head down Poydras that way. The Superdome looks like the Jenin refugee camp. God help this city. Whether or not it ought to be rebuilt is secondary to the real issue: can it be rebuilt? Looking around, I wouldn't know where or how to start. Good luck with that.
9:15pm.
As has become their nightly routine, police formed up in two rows of four cars on Poydras at dusk and started driving around city blocks over and over. I saw one car stop at a group of people camped out on a Camp Street sidewalk and question them, but then the cops drove off and left them alone.
As I reported earlier, a lot of people were bussed out to Dallas or somewhere from Camp Street, and that combined with a US Marshalls presence along Poydras from Loyola Ave to St. Charles really thinned out the pedestrian flow down Poydras. There are definitely a lot fewer people on the streets tonight.
Apparently the Marines coming in are Reservists not Active Duty. As far as I'm concerned, Marines are Marines are Marines, and they're always welcomed by Outpost Crystal.
Outpost Crystal is still secured and still kicking. We've got people begging us to leave, but that's not going to happen. We might lose Charlie Squad depending on internect connectivity, but Alpha Squad and Bravo Squad are going nowhere until New Orleans' infrastructure is rebuilt or declared permanently and irrevocably destroyed. As far as I'm concerned, this building is my post, and it will not be abandoned until I'm properly relieved.
10:46pm.
The following is the result of an interview I just conducted via cell phone with a New Orleans citizen stranded at the Convention Center. I don't know what you're hearing in the mainstream media or in the press conferences from the city and state officials, but here is the truth. "Bigfoot" is a bar manager and DJ on Bourbon Street, and is a local personality and icon. He is a lifelong resident of the city, born and raised. Here is his story as told to me moments ago. I took notes while he talked and then I asked some questions:
Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.
It's been three days, and the buses have yet to appear.
Bigfoot estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them and tossed out supplies over the side. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.
There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.
Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. Eight or nine dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and two of these dead people are kids.
The people are so desperate they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single-file lines with the elderly in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows; and anything else that would show they are not barbarians.
The buses never stop.
Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole SWAT teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.
Bigfoot reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."
Friday, Sept. 2
12:47am
Outpost Crystal has had a long day. Alpha Team is gonna grab a few hours of sleep. We won't quit, I promise you. We're expecting today (Friday) to be our most physically demanding day so far. Sig and I will be pushing 18 55-gallon drums of diesel up a steep parking garage incline to the 9th floor generator. Time for my beauty sleep.
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Posted by: rini on Sep 2, 2005 5:01 AM
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I wish the resources to prevent this disaster (ie evacuate EVERYONE ahead of time) had been in place. They should have been. I hope that this disaster resets our national priorities.
In the meantime, I hope that relief arrives ASAP for everyone in Katrina's wake.
Keep up the good work.
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Posted by: verite on Sep 2, 2005 5:02 AM
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L'U sook peux commence tuer les victimes
du mondial chauffage bientot
quelquepart pres de vous.
je recherchais la cause de la grande vague
de la mer d'Asie mineur et le chauffage
mondiale travaillant ensemble.
La glace du sud se fondra,
puis les terrains bougent partout.
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Puis.. Je demande, si c'est Dieu,
pourquois Il a fait le Buisson ?
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He said there was no reason why somebody couldn't drive there with a truck of water and help relieve these people. He told the police that he was going to bring them food and water. They said he would not be let through.
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Posted by: Jarnsaxa on Sep 2, 2005 5:24 AM
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It really sounds like the police/military nerves are frayed to the breaking point, and they aren't able to think at all. Not that I blame them, but those poor people at the convention center need some damn food/water!
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Can they use Fort AP Hill in Va? If they still have the ARMY tents left up from the 2005 boy Scout Jamboree, water pools (used for containing drinking water) set up at each sub camp etc. There are empty Army barracks there that can be used to house refugee's. The tents, drinking water pools and showers from 2005 Jambo may have been dismantled by now.
Can US commander FEDX, UPS planes to help evacuation. I believe the US gov commandeered these planes during 9/11 or beginning of Afghan war. There are thousands of army blankets that were in crates at Fort AP Hill, at least back in 1985. They wre unused blankets in creates. I think for the jamboree we gave out a total of 20,000 blankets in 1985. Some came via the Red Cross from prisons when we got hit during a tropical storm back in 1985 during the Jamboree.
Can speedways in Dallas and Alabama be used on some way?
They had quite a number of field kicthens on the AP Hill base because of the 2005 Jamboree
There maybe a ton of folding chairs and extra equipment from 2005 Boy Scout Jambo that could be used.
Can active military be temporarily switched over to National Guard temporarily?
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I'm sending him the link to your blog right now. He's been trying to get information first-hand and it just isn't there except for t.v. news and he doesn't have time to "surf". Thank you.
We are doing what we can from here - it isn't enough. Please hang in and be safe.
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Thank you Former Wife,
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Posted by: boris on Sep 2, 2005 6:35 AM
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Look forward a couple of months, and the long term relief efforts will follow the same patterns. Just ask the po' folks in rundown trailer camps in Florida, A YEAR after hurricanes trashed that area.
No way we would run things that way up here in Canuckistan, no way.
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Posted by: davidkassel on Sep 2, 2005 9:23 AM
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As a Cedar Fire survivor & moderator of a rebuild group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfrrg/) I know the limits of governmental assistance.
The government and well known assistance groups like the Red Cross are good at getting through the first few months.
Once danger has passed and rebuilding begins, there is moderate help for those in the most desperate of circumstances & little for those with any resources.
The rest of the survivors are left to depend on insurance companies or savings.
The knowledge needed to deal with insurance alone is daunting. Companies have an obligation to shareholders to reduce payouts to the smallest amounts.
They have this down to a science.
More information is needed to help with understanding the rebuilding process and making the most of resources.
Here in the San Diego County area, after nearly 2 years, we have only 10% of the homes rebuilt.
It would be a shame if New Orleans was the same way after even one year.
Early action is key. Once imminent danger passes and emergency centers close, communication stops.
Someone needs to form a central organization for dessiminating information.
This should occur while folks are all together in the emergency shelters and centers.
This seems so minor in the face of everything but it is so important to the recovery of the survivors.
This will be a full time job. One not everyone will be suited to.
Knowledge of construction, politics and marketing would mark the ideal leader for this effort.
They should identify with the other survivors and so be a local survivor too.
I am happy to pass on my experience and support them in their efforts.
I know they will be in survival mode as well. I am willing to open my home (A trailer anyways, as I too am not fully rebuilt) to the person able to handle this monumental task.
Please give me a call or e-mail if you or someone you know fits the profile. Getting started now is imperitive for reasons I will discuss.
Best regards to all of you in New Orleans
David Kassel
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Posted by: gh on Sep 2, 2005 10:22 AM
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It wasn't Katrina that did this; it was the broken levees at Poncharterain that flooded the city.
Bush caused this breakage. Send all refugees to Bush's ranch.
Figure: 20,000 people fit on 2 acres. (I'll give one acre to Bush, and that is a large area. I know. I live on one acre.) Ok, 1500 acres for refugees. It's 10,000 people per acre--they could all fit on his ranch. Bring in the cooks and the portapotties!
Crawford Texas. Get those refugees to the source of the problem and the only logical solution. gh
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Posted by: richasi12b on Sep 2, 2005 11:15 AM
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it amazes me that our goverment which has has the same access to the media as me waiting so long to help.
this proves that our president (re-elected ) by red states
is worthless. his idea of creating homeland security after 9/11
is worthless.
fema is worthless.
we need as a country, once everyone is saved that can be, is to remove this amistration from office..
they have lied to us long enough..
it is unacceptable..
bush has yet to accept help from over 20 foriegn countries that have offerred it..
yes, it must be noted that bush has has an amazing amount of crap thown his way since 9/11 but you would think he would learn..
nope. and his team is worthless.
so sorry to sound negative. i feel for everyone sufferring. but
we have hundreds of thousand of troops in iraq..and billlions of dollars have been spent..
yet here in our own country we can't help our own..it is sickening
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Posted by: richasi12b on Sep 2, 2005 11:21 AM
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we had very little communication for 3 days..
yet no one..no one...looted,,or killed..
what is going on ?
it this a situation of frustration, and the availablitly of guns ijn southern red states?
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Posted by: kataztrophe on Sep 2, 2005 11:49 AM
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All of us here in Texas hear your screams for help, and we are doing what we can. 100 thousand are expected here...dallas, houston, san antonio are all scrambling to get the help mobilized for the arriving refugees. local Red Cross is asking for MONEY first, lots of it. Fundraisers are in progress. scores of women in assorted church kitchens are cooking donated food to feed a city of refugees.
i have family that lives in New Orleans and Slidell--they escaped sunday. I love your city and my heart is breaking over the devistation.
please know we common folk are doing EVERYTHING we can to help--and many of us are just as outraged at how SLOW things are getting to ya'll.
stay strong!
kat
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Posted by: magic on Sep 2, 2005 11:55 AM
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Making criminals out of people who have become displaced because of Mother Nature's desire to 'clean up the environment' is totally insane. Rmember the movie, "Escape From New York"? It's almost nothing compared to what is really happening in New Orleans.
Watching and hearing the horrific continuing disasters in our OWN country makes me feel that we are in another world...
I can't, regardless of how hard I try, imagine the devistation people are experiencing: dehydration, starvation, rape! death! Just how is this different from what's happening in Irag? At least there the military isn't giving up on the people! They have been willing to die for Iraq! Our OWN people haven't even been given the tools to stop the TERRORISM IN THE US! OR, if they have, they aren't using them!
And this has happened why? Ask Mr. Bush... he has all the answers. The only problem is that the answers aren't working. They aren't even being put into place! Our people are dying in the streets! He will tell you that he's 'workin' hard' to put these peoples' lives 'back in order.' It's gut-wrenching to think that our beautiful, what once was a democratic country, being driven straight to hell by the few rich bastards who only choose to acquire more and more money, land, whatever is worth anything at all.
WAKE UP AMERICANS!!! We tried to take back our country at the last election. Money talked once again and the thieves are still in power. If you're rich, then you don't have to worry. If you're not, well, start praying and don't stop! Start taking part. DO YOUR PART WHATEVER IT MAY BE!
PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAPPED!
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Posted by: Maryanne on Sep 2, 2005 2:56 PM
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Every person who dies or is seriously injured as a result of the levees breaching and the flooding of NO should be considered and added to the number of war casualties in Iraq. Had the money not been diverted to Bush's adventures, these people could have been saved.
The responsibility for every person along the Gulf Coast who has died or suffered as a result of the lack of food, water, medicine, sanitary facilities, lack of transportation, separation from family, or any other stresses, etc. in the aftermath of the storm must be laid directly on the shoulders of Mr. Bush since he has displayed a total lack of leadership in this situation-in the years prior to this disaster, during the disaster, and its aftermath. We Americans are tired or being asked to be patient and to be resolved- that all will be well. We do not need platitudes. There are suffering Americans who need help.
This is homeland security? Leadership? Heaven help us with this man in charge!
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Posted by: polyquats on Sep 2, 2005 7:12 PM
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America: Land of the fearful, home of the incompetent.
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Posted by: probush on Sep 2, 2005 7:18 PM
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Also- take the guns and stop the problems down there. I am tired of hearing that weapons shouldn't be used and these people are out for survival. So when did survival include rape and murder? And please let me know when that became legal?!
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Posted by: pot8821 on Sep 2, 2005 8:33 PM
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The only people I know are doing anything now are the generals and leaders of our armed forces. Right now, as i type this, Active Duty personnel, (many who are veterans of iraq, including a cousin I have based in Texas in the 1st Calvary Division-ie an armored division with necessary amphibious armored personnel carriers for deep water- he left for New Orleans around 4 this afternoon), they are en route from bases in texas and georgia to provide aide, and security to the evacuation of the city
This is most clearly a failure of our elected officials. I hope americans will look at this in the future and see that our 2 party system only employs rich boys with no concept of real leadership.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 2, 2005 10:57 PM
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I have a daughter in kindergarten. I have not informed her of the situation. I have not talked about it much with any one at all. It seems most people do not want to discuss it.
As Buddhists, we are encouraged to get in touch with the universal suffering. It is always present.
As Christians we mourn with those who mourn.
These are very sobering times.
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But the government and the relief agencies are just too scared to go and feed the people trapped in the city. The relief effort couldn't feed people days ago, and now they don't want to deal with an angry, hungry mob without enough food or force.
That's why they're raising their guns at anyone who approaches. God, can you imagine being starved, thirsty and treated like an animal??
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Posted by: westover405 on Sep 3, 2005 4:07 AM
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See www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/03/katrina.unusedgear/index.html
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Yet, the citizens in Indonesia where far more lives were lost then LO behaved impecably compared to their U.S. counterparts.
I wonder why that is ??
I also wonder, how many of these poor folks in New Orleans voted or didn't vote, ensuring Bush got into power ????
Will be VERY interesting to see, who they vote for next time round.
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Story Number: NNS050903-10
Release Date: 9/3/2005 6:38:00 PM
From USS Harry S. Truman Public Affairs
USS HARRY S. TRUMAN, At Sea (NNS) -- Phase two of USS Harry S. Truman’s (CVN 75) involvement in Joint Task Force (JTF) Katrina began at dawn Sept. 2 with a refueling at sea (RAS).
Truman received 1.3 million gallons of jet fuel from USNS Supply (T-AOE 6) to support Army and Navy helicopters that are scheduled to embark tomorrow.
“We’ve never taken on this much fuel at one time since I’ve been here,” said Aviation Boatswain’s Mate (Fuels) 2nd Class Johnny Clayborne. Clayborne is a New Orleans native who has been stationed on board for two years. “It’s difficult. This is a larger amount of fuel, so we have to do a lot more testing for the purity of the fuel.”
“We have more than 20,000 bottles of water and more than 17,000 [meals, ready to eat],” said Supply Officer Cmdr. John Palmer, of Lexington, Ky. We also have cots, sheets and blankets, said Palmer.
Truman is scheduled to arrive off the Gulf Coast early Sunday morning, and one of her tasks will be to support the helicopters bringing these items ashore.
See http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=19905 for article and pictures
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Posted by: mendomama on Sep 4, 2005 10:56 AM
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And while we point fingers with one hand, we should give with the other. Donate money or goods, offer a spare room, a spare car, a gift certificate to a grocery store, what ever you can for these families. My mother has offered up an apartment she has for free, and my husband and I will pay all utilities and bring in some furniture, etc. Everyone should do something. I don't support bitching without action. It's precisely the lack of action (in a timely manner), that is the outrage. My heart aches for them all.
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Posted by: Smithy on Sep 4, 2005 2:32 PM
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YES - CREATED - this is not a NATURAL DISASTER - this is an UN -NATURAL
disaster.
I say this NOT to shock, but to WAKE YOU UP. PLEASE WAKE UP.
I IMPLORE YOU - PLEASE WAKE UP.
You can find the TRUTH and all the reasoning behind this TRUTH at
www.davidicke.com/headlines/icke.php
Just scroll down to the headlines - read them and click the links.
If you want to know the TRUTH.
Click 'linked text' below
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Posted by: westover405 on Sep 5, 2005 3:27 AM
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for a FEMA document in regard to the Hurricane Ivan evacuation. There is nothing in this document about those who could not make it out:
See the suggestions they failed to follow:
"Beginning 50 hours in advance, evacuations south of New Orleans would be ordered, public offices and schools would be closed, but traffic would remain along normal routes.
At 40 hours, evacuation south of the Mississippi River, including the West Bank of New Orleans, would be ordered.
Louisiana Develops Improved Hurricane Evacuation Plan
Haunted by memories of fearful evacuees stuck on highways for hours as Hurricane Ivan bore down on the state, Louisiana officials revealed a new plan designed to move residents away from danger without massive backups.
When Hurricane Ivan was apparently heading for south Louisiana last summer, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered residents to evacuate the city. Thousands of fearful families joined evacuees from surrounding areas on I-10 heading out of town.
State officials, however, did not order critical lane reversals on interstate highways known as ``contraflow'' until nearly 18 hours after Nagin told residents to flee the storm. The result was a traffic snarl that stretched from New Orleans to Baton Rouge and lasted upward of 12 hours.
A new hurricane evacuation plan was demanded by Governor Kathleen Blanco after Ivan, The plan was put together by state police and the DOTD and includes evacuation routes for not only New Orleans and points south, but Lake Charles, Lafayette and the Houma-Thibodaux area. Under the new plan preparing for evacuations would begin at least 72 hours in advance. One of the problems during Ivan was the time required to get barriers, people and other material in place to allow lane reversal on highways.
Beginning 50 hours in advance, evacuations south of New Orleans would be ordered, public offices and schools would be closed, but traffic would remain along normal routes.
At 40 hours, evacuation south of the Mississippi River, including the West Bank of New Orleans, would be ordered.
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Posted by: bryno on Sep 7, 2005 10:11 AM
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Looting and rapes occured after the Tsunami in Indonesia as well, but I was unable to confirm murder. Also, this is not a proof for the existence of government or police control. I am convinced like with anything, some sort of state of equilibrium would occur without police presence and governemnt intervention. They really are not needed!!! And we can see how they really helped in a time of need anyway right???
Bryon Pelzek
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Posted by: rini on Sep 2, 2005 5:01 AM
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I wish the resources to prevent this disaster (ie evacuate EVERYONE ahead of time) had been in place. They should have been. I hope that this disaster resets our national priorities.
In the meantime, I hope that relief arrives ASAP for everyone in Katrina's wake.
Keep up the good work.
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Posted by: verite on Sep 2, 2005 5:02 AM
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L'U sook peux commence tuer les victimes
du mondial chauffage bientot
quelquepart pres de vous.
je recherchais la cause de la grande vague
de la mer d'Asie mineur et le chauffage
mondiale travaillant ensemble.
La glace du sud se fondra,
puis les terrains bougent partout.
.............
Puis.. Je demande, si c'est Dieu,
pourquois Il a fait le Buisson ?
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Posted by: JakoPgh on Sep 2, 2005 5:20 AM
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He said there was no reason why somebody couldn't drive there with a truck of water and help relieve these people. He told the police that he was going to bring them food and water. They said he would not be let through.
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Posted by: Jarnsaxa on Sep 2, 2005 5:24 AM
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It really sounds like the police/military nerves are frayed to the breaking point, and they aren't able to think at all. Not that I blame them, but those poor people at the convention center need some damn food/water!
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Posted by: westover405 on Sep 2, 2005 5:39 AM
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Can they use Fort AP Hill in Va? If they still have the ARMY tents left up from the 2005 boy Scout Jamboree, water pools (used for containing drinking water) set up at each sub camp etc. There are empty Army barracks there that can be used to house refugee's. The tents, drinking water pools and showers from 2005 Jambo may have been dismantled by now.
Can US commander FEDX, UPS planes to help evacuation. I believe the US gov commandeered these planes during 9/11 or beginning of Afghan war. There are thousands of army blankets that were in crates at Fort AP Hill, at least back in 1985. They wre unused blankets in creates. I think for the jamboree we gave out a total of 20,000 blankets in 1985. Some came via the Red Cross from prisons when we got hit during a tropical storm back in 1985 during the Jamboree.
Can speedways in Dallas and Alabama be used on some way?
They had quite a number of field kicthens on the AP Hill base because of the 2005 Jamboree
There maybe a ton of folding chairs and extra equipment from 2005 Boy Scout Jambo that could be used.
Can active military be temporarily switched over to National Guard temporarily?
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I'm sending him the link to your blog right now. He's been trying to get information first-hand and it just isn't there except for t.v. news and he doesn't have time to "surf". Thank you.
We are doing what we can from here - it isn't enough. Please hang in and be safe.
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Posted by: yvonne_cooper on Sep 2, 2005 6:28 AM
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Thank you Former Wife,
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Posted by: boris on Sep 2, 2005 6:35 AM
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Look forward a couple of months, and the long term relief efforts will follow the same patterns. Just ask the po' folks in rundown trailer camps in Florida, A YEAR after hurricanes trashed that area.
No way we would run things that way up here in Canuckistan, no way.
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THE FURIOUS MESSENGER
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Posted by: davidkassel on Sep 2, 2005 9:23 AM
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As a Cedar Fire survivor & moderator of a rebuild group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfrrg/) I know the limits of governmental assistance.
The government and well known assistance groups like the Red Cross are good at getting through the first few months.
Once danger has passed and rebuilding begins, there is moderate help for those in the most desperate of circumstances & little for those with any resources.
The rest of the survivors are left to depend on insurance companies or savings.
The knowledge needed to deal with insurance alone is daunting. Companies have an obligation to shareholders to reduce payouts to the smallest amounts.
They have this down to a science.
More information is needed to help with understanding the rebuilding process and making the most of resources.
Here in the San Diego County area, after nearly 2 years, we have only 10% of the homes rebuilt.
It would be a shame if New Orleans was the same way after even one year.
Early action is key. Once imminent danger passes and emergency centers close, communication stops.
Someone needs to form a central organization for dessiminating information.
This should occur while folks are all together in the emergency shelters and centers.
This seems so minor in the face of everything but it is so important to the recovery of the survivors.
This will be a full time job. One not everyone will be suited to.
Knowledge of construction, politics and marketing would mark the ideal leader for this effort.
They should identify with the other survivors and so be a local survivor too.
I am happy to pass on my experience and support them in their efforts.
I know they will be in survival mode as well. I am willing to open my home (A trailer anyways, as I too am not fully rebuilt) to the person able to handle this monumental task.
Please give me a call or e-mail if you or someone you know fits the profile. Getting started now is imperitive for reasons I will discuss.
Best regards to all of you in New Orleans
David Kassel
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Posted by: gh on Sep 2, 2005 10:22 AM
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It wasn't Katrina that did this; it was the broken levees at Poncharterain that flooded the city.
Bush caused this breakage. Send all refugees to Bush's ranch.
Figure: 20,000 people fit on 2 acres. (I'll give one acre to Bush, and that is a large area. I know. I live on one acre.) Ok, 1500 acres for refugees. It's 10,000 people per acre--they could all fit on his ranch. Bring in the cooks and the portapotties!
Crawford Texas. Get those refugees to the source of the problem and the only logical solution. gh
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Posted by: richasi12b on Sep 2, 2005 11:15 AM
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it amazes me that our goverment which has has the same access to the media as me waiting so long to help.
this proves that our president (re-elected ) by red states
is worthless. his idea of creating homeland security after 9/11
is worthless.
fema is worthless.
we need as a country, once everyone is saved that can be, is to remove this amistration from office..
they have lied to us long enough..
it is unacceptable..
bush has yet to accept help from over 20 foriegn countries that have offerred it..
yes, it must be noted that bush has has an amazing amount of crap thown his way since 9/11 but you would think he would learn..
nope. and his team is worthless.
so sorry to sound negative. i feel for everyone sufferring. but
we have hundreds of thousand of troops in iraq..and billlions of dollars have been spent..
yet here in our own country we can't help our own..it is sickening
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Posted by: richasi12b on Sep 2, 2005 11:21 AM
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we had very little communication for 3 days..
yet no one..no one...looted,,or killed..
what is going on ?
it this a situation of frustration, and the availablitly of guns ijn southern red states?
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Posted by: kataztrophe on Sep 2, 2005 11:49 AM
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All of us here in Texas hear your screams for help, and we are doing what we can. 100 thousand are expected here...dallas, houston, san antonio are all scrambling to get the help mobilized for the arriving refugees. local Red Cross is asking for MONEY first, lots of it. Fundraisers are in progress. scores of women in assorted church kitchens are cooking donated food to feed a city of refugees.
i have family that lives in New Orleans and Slidell--they escaped sunday. I love your city and my heart is breaking over the devistation.
please know we common folk are doing EVERYTHING we can to help--and many of us are just as outraged at how SLOW things are getting to ya'll.
stay strong!
kat
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Posted by: magic on Sep 2, 2005 11:55 AM
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Making criminals out of people who have become displaced because of Mother Nature's desire to 'clean up the environment' is totally insane. Rmember the movie, "Escape From New York"? It's almost nothing compared to what is really happening in New Orleans.
Watching and hearing the horrific continuing disasters in our OWN country makes me feel that we are in another world...
I can't, regardless of how hard I try, imagine the devistation people are experiencing: dehydration, starvation, rape! death! Just how is this different from what's happening in Irag? At least there the military isn't giving up on the people! They have been willing to die for Iraq! Our OWN people haven't even been given the tools to stop the TERRORISM IN THE US! OR, if they have, they aren't using them!
And this has happened why? Ask Mr. Bush... he has all the answers. The only problem is that the answers aren't working. They aren't even being put into place! Our people are dying in the streets! He will tell you that he's 'workin' hard' to put these peoples' lives 'back in order.' It's gut-wrenching to think that our beautiful, what once was a democratic country, being driven straight to hell by the few rich bastards who only choose to acquire more and more money, land, whatever is worth anything at all.
WAKE UP AMERICANS!!! We tried to take back our country at the last election. Money talked once again and the thieves are still in power. If you're rich, then you don't have to worry. If you're not, well, start praying and don't stop! Start taking part. DO YOUR PART WHATEVER IT MAY BE!
PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAPPED!
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Every person who dies or is seriously injured as a result of the levees breaching and the flooding of NO should be considered and added to the number of war casualties in Iraq. Had the money not been diverted to Bush's adventures, these people could have been saved.
The responsibility for every person along the Gulf Coast who has died or suffered as a result of the lack of food, water, medicine, sanitary facilities, lack of transportation, separation from family, or any other stresses, etc. in the aftermath of the storm must be laid directly on the shoulders of Mr. Bush since he has displayed a total lack of leadership in this situation-in the years prior to this disaster, during the disaster, and its aftermath. We Americans are tired or being asked to be patient and to be resolved- that all will be well. We do not need platitudes. There are suffering Americans who need help.
This is homeland security? Leadership? Heaven help us with this man in charge!
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Posted by: polyquats on Sep 2, 2005 7:12 PM
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America: Land of the fearful, home of the incompetent.
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Posted by: probush on Sep 2, 2005 7:18 PM
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Also- take the guns and stop the problems down there. I am tired of hearing that weapons shouldn't be used and these people are out for survival. So when did survival include rape and murder? And please let me know when that became legal?!
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Posted by: pot8821 on Sep 2, 2005 8:33 PM
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The only people I know are doing anything now are the generals and leaders of our armed forces. Right now, as i type this, Active Duty personnel, (many who are veterans of iraq, including a cousin I have based in Texas in the 1st Calvary Division-ie an armored division with necessary amphibious armored personnel carriers for deep water- he left for New Orleans around 4 this afternoon), they are en route from bases in texas and georgia to provide aide, and security to the evacuation of the city
This is most clearly a failure of our elected officials. I hope americans will look at this in the future and see that our 2 party system only employs rich boys with no concept of real leadership.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 2, 2005 10:57 PM
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I have a daughter in kindergarten. I have not informed her of the situation. I have not talked about it much with any one at all. It seems most people do not want to discuss it.
As Buddhists, we are encouraged to get in touch with the universal suffering. It is always present.
As Christians we mourn with those who mourn.
These are very sobering times.
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Posted by: decembrist on Sep 2, 2005 11:02 PM
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But the government and the relief agencies are just too scared to go and feed the people trapped in the city. The relief effort couldn't feed people days ago, and now they don't want to deal with an angry, hungry mob without enough food or force.
That's why they're raising their guns at anyone who approaches. God, can you imagine being starved, thirsty and treated like an animal??
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Posted by: westover405 on Sep 3, 2005 4:07 AM
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See www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/03/katrina.unusedgear/index.html
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Yet, the citizens in Indonesia where far more lives were lost then LO behaved impecably compared to their U.S. counterparts.
I wonder why that is ??
I also wonder, how many of these poor folks in New Orleans voted or didn't vote, ensuring Bush got into power ????
Will be VERY interesting to see, who they vote for next time round.
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Story Number: NNS050903-10
Release Date: 9/3/2005 6:38:00 PM
From USS Harry S. Truman Public Affairs
USS HARRY S. TRUMAN, At Sea (NNS) -- Phase two of USS Harry S. Truman’s (CVN 75) involvement in Joint Task Force (JTF) Katrina began at dawn Sept. 2 with a refueling at sea (RAS).
Truman received 1.3 million gallons of jet fuel from USNS Supply (T-AOE 6) to support Army and Navy helicopters that are scheduled to embark tomorrow.
“We’ve never taken on this much fuel at one time since I’ve been here,” said Aviation Boatswain’s Mate (Fuels) 2nd Class Johnny Clayborne. Clayborne is a New Orleans native who has been stationed on board for two years. “It’s difficult. This is a larger amount of fuel, so we have to do a lot more testing for the purity of the fuel.”
“We have more than 20,000 bottles of water and more than 17,000 [meals, ready to eat],” said Supply Officer Cmdr. John Palmer, of Lexington, Ky. We also have cots, sheets and blankets, said Palmer.
Truman is scheduled to arrive off the Gulf Coast early Sunday morning, and one of her tasks will be to support the helicopters bringing these items ashore.
See http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=19905 for article and pictures
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Posted by: mendomama on Sep 4, 2005 10:56 AM
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And while we point fingers with one hand, we should give with the other. Donate money or goods, offer a spare room, a spare car, a gift certificate to a grocery store, what ever you can for these families. My mother has offered up an apartment she has for free, and my husband and I will pay all utilities and bring in some furniture, etc. Everyone should do something. I don't support bitching without action. It's precisely the lack of action (in a timely manner), that is the outrage. My heart aches for them all.
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Posted by: Smithy on Sep 4, 2005 2:32 PM
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YES - CREATED - this is not a NATURAL DISASTER - this is an UN -NATURAL
disaster.
I say this NOT to shock, but to WAKE YOU UP. PLEASE WAKE UP.
I IMPLORE YOU - PLEASE WAKE UP.
You can find the TRUTH and all the reasoning behind this TRUTH at
www.davidicke.com/headlines/icke.php
Just scroll down to the headlines - read them and click the links.
If you want to know the TRUTH.
Click 'linked text' below
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for a FEMA document in regard to the Hurricane Ivan evacuation. There is nothing in this document about those who could not make it out:
See the suggestions they failed to follow:
"Beginning 50 hours in advance, evacuations south of New Orleans would be ordered, public offices and schools would be closed, but traffic would remain along normal routes.
At 40 hours, evacuation south of the Mississippi River, including the West Bank of New Orleans, would be ordered.
Louisiana Develops Improved Hurricane Evacuation Plan
Haunted by memories of fearful evacuees stuck on highways for hours as Hurricane Ivan bore down on the state, Louisiana officials revealed a new plan designed to move residents away from danger without massive backups.
When Hurricane Ivan was apparently heading for south Louisiana last summer, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered residents to evacuate the city. Thousands of fearful families joined evacuees from surrounding areas on I-10 heading out of town.
State officials, however, did not order critical lane reversals on interstate highways known as ``contraflow'' until nearly 18 hours after Nagin told residents to flee the storm. The result was a traffic snarl that stretched from New Orleans to Baton Rouge and lasted upward of 12 hours.
A new hurricane evacuation plan was demanded by Governor Kathleen Blanco after Ivan, The plan was put together by state police and the DOTD and includes evacuation routes for not only New Orleans and points south, but Lake Charles, Lafayette and the Houma-Thibodaux area. Under the new plan preparing for evacuations would begin at least 72 hours in advance. One of the problems during Ivan was the time required to get barriers, people and other material in place to allow lane reversal on highways.
Beginning 50 hours in advance, evacuations south of New Orleans would be ordered, public offices and schools would be closed, but traffic would remain along normal routes.
At 40 hours, evacuation south of the Mississippi River, including the West Bank of New Orleans, would be ordered.
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Posted by: bryno on Sep 7, 2005 10:11 AM
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Looting and rapes occured after the Tsunami in Indonesia as well, but I was unable to confirm murder. Also, this is not a proof for the existence of government or police control. I am convinced like with anything, some sort of state of equilibrium would occur without police presence and governemnt intervention. They really are not needed!!! And we can see how they really helped in a time of need anyway right???
Bryon Pelzek
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