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A Flood of Bad Policies

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted September 2, 2005.


While Katrina's dead have not yet been counted, it's not too soon to hammer home a point: government policies have real consequences in people's lives.
A Flood of Bad Policies
Earl Dunbar of the Louisiana State Capitol Police carries a five-day-old baby an evacuee brought for treatment near the Superdome in downtown New Orleans, Louisiana. The mother said she had been trapped in her home until Wednesday after Hurricane Katrina hit.

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Like many of you who love New Orleans, I find myself taking short mental walks there today, turning a familiar corner, glimpsing a favorite scene, square or vista. And worrying about the beloved friends and the city, and how they are now.

To use a fine Southern word, it's tacky to start playing the blame game before the dead are even counted. It is not too soon, however, to make a point that needs to be hammered home again and again, and that is that government policies have real consequences in people's lives. This is not "just politics" or blaming for political advantage. This is about the real consequences of what governments do and do not do about their responsibilities. And about who winds up paying the price for those policies.

This is a column for everyone in the path of Hurricane Katrina who ever said, "I'm sorry, I'm just not interested in politics," or, "There's nothing I can do about it," or, "Eh, they're all crooks anyway." Nothing to do with me, nothing to do with my life, nothing I can do about any of it. Look around you this morning. I suppose the NRA would argue, "Government policies don't kill people, hurricanes kill people."

Actually, hurricanes plus government policies kill people. One of the main reasons New Orleans is so vulnerable to hurricanes is the gradual disappearance of the wetlands on the Gulf Coast that once stood as a natural buffer between the city and storms coming in from the water. The disappearance of those wetlands does not have the name of a political party or a particular administration attached to it. No one wants to play, "The Democrats did it," or, "It's all Reagan's fault."

Many environmentalists will tell you more than a century's interference with the natural flow of the Mississippi is the root cause of the problem, cutting off the movement of alluvial soil to the river's great delta. But in addition to long-range consequences of long-term policies like letting the Corps of Engineers try to build a better river than God, there are real short-term consequences, as well.

It is a fact that the Clinton administration set some tough policies on wetlands, and it is a fact that the Bush administration repealed those policies -- ordering federal agencies to stop protecting as many as 20 million acres of wetlands. Last year, four environmental groups cooperated on a joint report showing the Bush administration's policies had allowed developers to drain thousands of acres of wetlands.

Does this mean we should blame Bush for the fact that New Orleans is underwater? No, but it means we can blame Bush when a Class 3 or Class 2 hurricane puts New Orleans underwater.

At this point, it is a matter of making a bad situation worse, of failing to observe the First Rule of Holes (when you're in one, stop digging). Had a storm the size of Katrina just had the grace to hold off for a while, it's quite likely no one would even remember what the Bush administration did two months ago.


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Posted by: ralrob48 on Sep 2, 2005 2:22 AM   
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When George Bush's daughters show up either at an Army induction facility or a volunteer agency in the Gulf Coast, then we'll see if he is able to comprehend what his policies have wrought. If some of his family members were floating face down in the levee's backwash, his wife would whisper, "George, do something!". He should have known by now that all citizens are his "family."

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not to mention the oil...!
Posted by: megosioux32 on Sep 2, 2005 2:59 AM   
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Let none of us forget what some of us are coming to find out as the horrifying scenes of human degeneration appear before us on television; there is alot of oil production going on in that area of the world. Why is this important? Well, just think of the development possibilities for an Haliburton sized infrastructure operation. The administration has said that it will be years before things resemble normalcy. Oh yeah, sure? Are the troops going to be there for years or are they going home next year sometime after a new government is reconstituted in Louisiana. I just picture new oil station development in the Gulf on a scale that will beg the question, where's all that money coming from? By the way don't forget to donate some cash. Bush/Cheney superfriends gang has got to be beaming about these developments. Salavation is probably the more appropriate word. Oh well, empty those pockets folks, or someone'll come to your home and do it for ya.

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» RE: not to mention the oil...! Posted by: laralyn04
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The forest for the trees
Posted by: hamhocktotherescue on Sep 2, 2005 3:24 AM   
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The left in the this country are trying to turn this horrific event into a Bush burning exercise but are just wasting paper, electronic bits of data and their time. The truth is that this area, however historic, would be hard to protect under any circumstances. Even if it were true that levee money was diverted, it would have taken ten years to complete any projects related to improving the levees. So that myth won't pass the smell test. The real problem is the failure of local authorities. They failed to intitiate proper evacuation techniques in the face of what was a probable disaster. The evacuation was not mandatory except for a few parishes. That was not a good plan, and the governor should have stepped in and ordered an mandatory evacuation. Even now the state government appears helpless, not knowing what to do. Many mistakes were made in this democratic bastion and their allies are doing everything they can to divert attention away from that fact.

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» Look to the government for... Posted by: beetruetoyou
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Molly's right as always
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2005 4:54 AM   
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Thank God for Molly Ivins. One hundred years from now, she'll be remembered as one of the few (and I mean very few) voices of reason in these crazy times. George W. Bush has gutted FEMA in order to give an obscene tax cut for the richest two percent and to pursue a course of utter destruction and chaos on a fool's errand in Iraq. The time has come for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and the entire wave of human shit that makes up the Bush administration to be forcably removed from power. Write to your local representitive and demand that articles of impeachement be issued immediately. We cannot wait until the democrats take back power in 2007.
On that happy note....
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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Smile
Posted by: Erin on Sep 2, 2005 5:44 AM   
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America is on Candid Camera. The world is watching this and, from what I am hearing from friends abroad, the world is shocked at what they see. Looting, shooting, chaos. They wonder why during the Tsunami they saw all those people helping each other and working together, but in the country that proposes to be the greatest they see an every man for himself mentality.
But that aside, the blame for this must fall on the shoulders of Bush, et al. He took the money for the rebuilding of the levees to use on his illegal war in Irag. He has taken the National Guard and their equipment and sent them to Irag leaving these people vulnerable to the misery they now face. Bush needs to be held accountable - not for the work of Mother Nature, but for the aftermath his policies have caused.

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» Science Posted by: Olympiada
Didnt louisiana have gambling?
Posted by: captainmarvel on Sep 2, 2005 6:26 AM   
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The reason I ask is because wouldnt it be the responsiblity of the state to provide improvements to the levees? I guess this is just another example of how liberals attack infrastructure of a community, and then blame the consequences of their actions on conservatives.
My opinion.....End all foreign aid NOW! End all subsidies to illegal aliens NOW! Our own citizens needs trump the needs of illegal aliens and other countries. Oh yeah, and abolishing welfare could free up quite a bit of money too.

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Dubya shows another side
Posted by: JohnnyM on Sep 2, 2005 6:41 AM   
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I have no doubt that Dubya is a moron. No doubt he is greedy and uncaring.

But now I question - Is he a racist too? Why else wouldn't he have sent the army(or some form of) in right away - I've heard them say because all the the troops are in Iraq, but that's b.s.

All I've seen on CNN is about 90% of the people are black (& poor - and yes, they didn't heed the warning, but how could you get out w/o transport or money?) and they're desparate. It's not "looting" if you take water and food for your family, it's survival. But I realize there are hoodlums there too, taking cigs & guns & booze - the few always spoil it for the many. But most people there have good hearts and deserved help on tuesday.

When Dubya came on the news with Clinton & senior at his side (to add SOME credibility) the smugness in his eyes was so obvious - What an asshole. I "read" people for a living, and I know his heart just doesn't care.

At least one good thing may occur - some of the borderline R's and non-extremists will see what kind of person he really is (finally!!) and maybe you can force him out now...early...the world can't wait til 2008!

I question; If this Hurricane hit Corpus Christi and other parts of Texas with the same level of destruction, what would the Federal response have been?

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» I "read" people for a living ? Posted by: Olympiada
What's Wrong? - ATTITUDES AND Policies!! Mississippi for one
Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 2, 2005 6:44 AM   
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I want everyone to know the kind of "person" Mississippi's Repub. gov., Haley Barbour, is. Having cut medicaid/medicare and gutted our education system among other egregious things... Thurs. nite on Larry King he said:

he didn't want people blaming anyone...there's a lot of finger-pointing.

Then he had the audacity to say that he had gotten on t.v. and "begged" everyone to evacuate on Sunday.
(ugh, I think that's indirectly blaming those that are trapped there now)

This remark topped it all:
He said, "I'm tired, but I did have a shower and slept in a bed lastnite and that puts me ahead of thousands of people in MS. "
What kind of "leader" is that?
What does that say about him as a "Christian?"
That last remark is the most callous, pompous, arrogant, thing I've ever heard from a person "in charge" of a state -- much less a state w/ hungry, thirsty, dirty, tired, homeless people!

When I had lunch in my air conditioned home Tues., I couldn't help but see the faces of my missing friends. I felt guilty.

I had 3 friends in Ocean Springs, MS trying to get out. Angie emailed at 2 p.m. Sun. saying " it's not good at all. everyone is freaking out!!!! It's too late to leave--the roads are horrible...so all we can do is hang on...no good."

So did Barbour imagine the magnitude of his plea for people to EVACUATE on SUNDAY AFTERNOON!! Millions of people suddenly hitting the 3 MAIN ROADS OUT- I-10 & 90 E./W. New Orleans/Mobile or 49 N. to Hattiesburg.

What PLAN was in place to handle the possibility of a major hurricane hitting our HIGHLY DEVELOPED, ECONOMICALLY STRONG COAST that also includED PORTS AND SHIP BUILDING!! And now our 'illustrious' admin. in Wash. is going to dismantle Keesler A.F. Base in Biloxi?? What the HELL are they thinking?!
Wait...THEY are NOT THINKING AT ALL!
It's all about 911 911 911 and terrorists terrorists terrorists!
I'm sick of hearing that over & over--sick of it!
I hold this country's admins.-present & past in Wash. as well as MS ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR PEOPLE.

Compassionate Conservatives my ass!!

Haley Barbour and Georgie Porgie need to wake up!! Their vision of money/power has tainted any common sense they might have had and certainly disoriented their sense of reality!!

Gara
MS

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Stop the Lying
Posted by: nakis on Sep 2, 2005 7:37 AM   
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Not you guys. The neocon ubernationalists/wealthy elite.

Compare what is happening with these few tidbits.

In 2001 Hurricane Michelle, a level-4 storm, hit with sustained 125-mile-per-hour winds and widespread floods hit Cuba, more than 700,000 people were evacuated. Only five Cubans lost their lives in the storm. In September 2004, Cuba endured Ivan, the fifth-largest hurricane ever to hit the Caribbean, with sustained winds of 124 miles per hour. Cuba evacuated almost 2 million people--more than 15 percent of the total population. No one was killed.

Venezuelan President Chavez has announced that Venezuela will be offering poor people discounted gas through its Citgo chain. He has also offered to send more than $1 million in oil, food, and and equipment to the region. In addition, the Venezuelan government is offering two mobile hospital units, each capable of assisting 150 people, 120 specialists in rescue operations, 10 water purifying plants, 18 electricity generators of 850 KW each, 20 tons of bottled water, and 50 tons of canned food.
A senior U.S. State Department official said he was not aware of the Venezuelan offer, and then dismissed it as "counterproductive."
As reported by ANSWER/IAC.

Must be more commie liberal extremist propaganda.

Why is the wealthiest nation in the world so unprepared for a hurricane? Why are we so responding so poorly?

Why as a previous poster put it, were peoples of other nations pulling together during national disasters and we are experiencing this, now?

The Cuban and Venezuelan models are far from perfect. But with them being as poor as they are how are they able to take care of their poorest people so well when the wealthiest of nations not only sets itself up for a disaster like this but also responds so poorly.
Proof is in the results. And the results are very telling.

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» RE: Stop the Lying Posted by: Wacre
Where has the money gone?
Posted by: englehart on Sep 2, 2005 7:50 AM   
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The money for the levy was diverted to Homeland Security. What did they do with it? They certainly didn't spend any on planning. Half of my family lives in New Orleans and Gulfport and I am very angry about this lack of response. I have to agree with the earlier poster who said if this had happened in Corpus Christi, there would have been a greater response. The thing that opens my eyes the most is what if this was a terrorist attack with a dirty bomb? If they can't handle this with two or three days of notice (the storm didn't appear out of thin air), what would happen if a dirty bomb went off in Houston? Anarchy, chaos, death and destruction, that’s what would happen. It makes me feel warm inside that our taxes are being wasted so efficiently.

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» RE: Nice writing unbowed Posted by: Unbowed
Federal responsibility
Posted by: surfreality on Sep 2, 2005 7:50 AM   
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The levees are under the jurisdiction of the U.S Army Corps of Engineers. They are a federal organization. On another thread a conservative blogger wrote that the SELA funding was "pork". My definition of "pork" is a $250 million Alaskan bridge to no where. Bush's cuts to wetland protection,SELA and the Lake Pontchartrain project have deepened the crisis and misery. That is undeniable.
Congress returned from recess on 1 day's notice to pass an unconstitutional law for 1 brain dead individual. Let Americans compare and contrast their behavior then to today's national emergency where 10s of 1000s are in immediate peril. When exactly did the Speaker Of The House and the Senate Majority Leader convene their respective chambers? If you support the current leadership expect more of the same governance.
The whole world is watching.

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» RE: Federal responsibility Posted by: mstenger
I think the point is they actually care about their people
Posted by: redjenny on Sep 2, 2005 7:59 AM   
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Whether they are perfect or not, the government of these countries actually tries to help their people. By way of contrast, it seems the US govt. is focusing more on plans for their own personal gain (and that of their buddies) at all costs. Thanks for the point of comparison.

Red Jenny

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» secret hurricane repeller :) Posted by: Olympiada
» Rebuilding Posted by: greenthinginwater
And the really sad thing is...
Posted by: mstenger on Sep 2, 2005 8:12 AM   
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...that most of these hurting, dying people voted for the Scumbag that sits with his thumb up his ass in the big WHITE house!

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What a sad affair
Posted by: 404080 on Sep 2, 2005 8:19 AM   
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I think those poor folks left behind in New Orleans are getting a confirmation of what they already suspected; that the rich and powerful don't care much about whether the poor live or die.

Sure, now that the wind and rain are gone and the cameras are rolling, all the polititians are squawkin' for the idiot box, capitalizing on the moment. I don't doubt for a second that if they could get away with doing less, they would do less.

Here's a major humanitarian crisis and all I'm hearing is stories about looting and rape from authorities. The right wingers are up in arms about private property and there's old ladies laying around dead in wheelchairs. These people were left for dead, plain and simple.

You might as well leave New Orleans under the swamp as a testament to the rot of your so-called democracy.

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What no one wants to say
Posted by: fairygirl on Sep 2, 2005 8:42 AM   
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There's plenty of finger pointing to go around - the Army Corps of Engineers has been asking for levee money for decades. What's really the concern is what's going on right now. And what no one wants to say is that this is because these are the poor of America. Where were the evacuation buses on Thursday BEFORE Katrina? The government (local, state & federal) knew the path of this hurricane. And who was in the way? The poor, the sick, and the elderly population of the Gulf states. Those without and without a voice. And still here in 2005, I believe that race is playing a part as well. It's embarrassing that this country can't (or won't) protect its own people. I am devastated. What must the rest of the world think of us now?

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» RE: What no one wants to say Posted by: celticgirl
Q: Who is blaming who?
Posted by: celticgirl on Sep 2, 2005 8:43 AM   
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How is it, "CaptainMarvel", that you don't see that YOU also are attacking partisanly and slinging mud? "Our" people? Who exactly are you talking about when you say "our" people in one sentence than call Liberals a liability in the next? Last time I checked we were all American - from the most leftist liberal to the most fascist conservative. And being American I am entitled to follow whatever political line I choose, as are you. You sir, are entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts - not that you've provided any to support your opinions.

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» RE: Q: Who is blaming who? Posted by: davidt
Captain Marvel to the rescue...
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 2, 2005 9:03 AM   
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Hey captain, I have another one for you. It used to get kicked around a lot in religious circles. It goes something like this: Do you know what Puritanism is? It is the fear that someone, somewhere is having fun. It your case it goes like this: It is the fear that someone, somewhere, whom is black and lazy, is getting your tax money.

This welfare line is one that was parlayed into fact right around the time Voodoo economics was given credence by rich folks convincing poor folks that the source of evil was the other poor folks around them, not the rich folks given tax breaks that were supposed to magically filter through the pockets of these good rich people into the hands of the poor via job creation and a whole myriad of voodoo that would magically lead to wealth for all if we just let the rich people off the hook for taxes and responsibility for their actions via deregulation.

The next time you are stuck over in the slow lane with the rest of us that can’t get out of town, take a look at those that can. Which one are you?

Then ask yourself a simple question. If you cannot stand to spend money on welfare recipients because it pisses you off that people rip it off, how can you stand to pay for ignoring it in the first place, after the flood.

Anyone that looks at these things can see that 71 million dollars spent a year ago could have prevented a levee breach, and could have supported a continued effort to fix a problem that must be dealt with as it lies. On the other hand consider what it will cost you now. Now consider what the human cost is and how it will affect you. Do you really want all those bad, lazy, welfare recipients living in your neighborhood?

If you are really so naïve as to believe that welfare money is going to break the bank, consider it in real Republican terms; How long before these folks realize that they have been “Bushwacked” as Molly would say. This is not really partisan; it is just a game played with people and money, and you my friend are a pawn, just like the rest of us.

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Emergency Preparedness
Posted by: 42Years on Sep 2, 2005 9:17 AM   
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Where has all our money gone? Homeland Security Department? FEMA? Who are they but names of groups who take our money and write policies and give speeches and get little or nothing done. Our money and National Guard troops are in Iraq. We need them home to "keep our soil safe from terror." The response to the catastrophic events in the Gulf Coast and especially New Orleans is a dismal failure. This event shows us clearly that our federal government is incapable of keeping us safe or helping us out after emergency situations. It is time to clean house and the first to go should be FEMA Director Michael Brown for his total disregard for human life. THe Homeland Security Department and every agency under it should be investigated to get rid of incompetent people and direct the billions of dollars needed to true emergency preparedness programs. President Bush and his entire administration should be ashamed of the way our government acted prior to the hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast and the response to that disaster.

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» RE: emergency Preparedness Posted by: wakeup
Socialism NOW
Posted by: karyse on Sep 2, 2005 9:20 AM   
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Can we finally admit that Capitalism as an economic system is a miserable failure when it comes to the "give a sshit" quotient? That the government cares about property above life comes as no surprise to those of us who have been pushing socialism for years. I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter one jot who is in what office. Whether it is mr. incompetent (and by the way, he's only incompetent in protecting people -- he's plenty competent when it comes to making his constituents, the monied, more money), or whether it is tweedle dee, tweedle dumber, or tweedle dee dee, does not matter. So long as this nation sees capitalism as legitimate, the government will be in place ONLY to ensure that the rich remain rich.

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How we can help!
Posted by: kimbokel on Sep 2, 2005 9:58 AM   
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After watching the news again today I really feel compelled to call local corporations and beg them to give generously... I can only give so much personally, but maybe making a few well-placed calls can do even more to help? A friend with relatives in NO is trying a fundraising technique here in Seattle this weekend - gathering up women to 'flash' their breasts for a $10 donation for Katrina victims in NO fashion -seems crass, but 'desperate times'.... I know many women who would do this to help!

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» RE: How we can help! Posted by: waakeywakey
Lack of Government Help
Posted by: thehousedog on Sep 2, 2005 10:08 AM   
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did you see on MSNBC a picture of bush, clinton and the elder bush who will be putting on a benefit to raise money to help? this is nice but what do we pay frigging taxes for? why is the government not paying for all of this mess?

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» Rocket Science Posted by: Schnookums
» Cynical! Posted by: Olympiada
Another ATTITUDE PROBLEM w/this mess --IDIOTS !!!!
Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 2, 2005 10:20 AM   
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from:
FOX NEWS HUME & FRIENDS TRANSCRIPT RE: HORROR IN LA. AND MISSISSIPPI
August 30, 2005
Fred Barnes to Katrina Victims: Drop Dead

"Fred Barnes, who supports throwing endless amounts of taxpayers' money down the rat hole called the Iraq War, says the federal government should stop providing disaster aid to places like New Orleans when they suffer hurricane damage.

Barnes, speaking on "Special Report with Brit Hume" on Monday (August 29), said people who move into such areas should assume the risk themselves rather than expect help from Congress. "
to read the transcript w/remarks:
www.congress.org/congressorg/
issues/alert/?alertid=7983156
&content_dir=ua_congressorg

I suppose because I live in an area that has chances for tornadoes in the spring and then again in November (usually the week of Thanksgiving) I should move my ass to somewhere else!!!??? What the hell is wrong w/people these days! That asshole has his own house in Florida! Shouldn't he move on outa there????

please note: I had to space the link on seperate lines because it was too long for this site to let me use.

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» And if you live in .... Posted by: nakis
» RE: And if you live in .... Posted by: NDnative
What is the situation on the Louisiana coast?
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 2, 2005 10:25 AM   
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I have only gotten glimpses of the small cities and townships of the southeastern coast of Louisiana and have heard that there is not much left out there. How are the people in that area. I have not seen any close photos but have heard that it is very very bad.

Does anyone have any information?

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» Worse than you've heard. Posted by: Schnookums
» So true, Schnooky-daddy Posted by: decembrist
Just imagine...
Posted by: Schnookums on Sep 2, 2005 10:44 AM   
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...if the 'big one' were to hit California right now, or another major hurricane hit some other part of the coast, or any other major natural disaster for that matter. This country would fall apart at the seams. You can't cut taxes for the rich, unilaterally execute policies that involve more than one party, subsidize big business, spend billions in foreign aid, gut domestic agencies tasked for preparedness, indefinitely ignore science and the experts of their warnings, take a gamble and occupy a country in hopes of big returns to the tune of billions per week, blame state and local authorities for shortfalls, ignore dilapidating infrastructure, and not expect it to bit you in the ass someday. When New Orleans is under control…it is time to start the impeachment process. I think enough people are starting to realize that a mistake was made in November of 2004.

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» RE: Just imagine... Posted by: grizzlyuk
» RE: Just imagine... Posted by: ConnecttheDots
Dakotahgeo (Pastor Dak)
Posted by: Dak on Sep 2, 2005 10:59 AM   
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I think it is too, too late to point fingers at Bushivec and Chenekov and their oil crooks now. We "borderline normal" folk knew they and their cronies were idiots when the ring-wing nuts and dolts (errrr, I mean....bolts), the evangelicals, and the televangelistic lemmings voted them into office! Heck, we've known that for 4.5+ years now.
Well, you ring-wingnuts and dolts (errrr, I mean....bolts), the evangelicals, and televangelistic lemmings...you got what you asked for. Happy swimming to ya!!!
On a more serious note (and I WAS serious, above), my heart cries for the victims of this hurricane disaster. I have donated and am willing to house people who want to start their lives over up here.
Just e-mail me at dakotahgeo@hotmail,com but PLEASE...no christian bigots and/or evangelicals...they most assuredly...can save themselves!
Pastor Dak!

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» RE: Dakotahgeo (Pastor Dak) Posted by: NDnative
A little perspective
Posted by: kapucom on Sep 2, 2005 11:40 AM   
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Lets look at budgetary allocation. When the Army Corps of Engineers requested 104 million to fix the levy and flood response effort for New Orleans, the Bush adminsitrations had the funds axed to approximatley half of the requested amount. At the same time 200+ million was allocated to build a bridge in Alaska to an uninhabited island. We have to look at what these guys are doing to us and hold them accountable. Special interest is selling our welfare to their rich buddies. The Alaskan legislators hold positions as the chairman of DOT and senior position in the House Appropriations Committee thus the beneficial alllocation. Are we going to let the good old boys take away the future of our children?

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» I forgot about that Bridge ... Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
"Bush Gets An "F" for Disaster Response"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 2, 2005 11:51 AM   
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The "every man for himself" mentality is built into capitalism and is exacerbated by the social Darwinism this administration has been pushing for the last four years. Also, the lack of federal response to the disaster on the gulf coast is in part because the Bush administration believes that government should have no role in its people's affairs – except for making war and securing resources for itself. It's lucky that the Bush administration responded AT ALL. (I am also now convinced that George Bush has absolutely no capacity for empathy or even understanding of the suffering of others – one of the telltale signs of a sociopath.)

9/11 was not a true test of Mr. Bush's character, because it was an obvious attack with an obvious cause (at least from what they want us to believe), to which anyone above a grade-B moron would know how to respond. It gave Bush a chance to play Warrior – something he wasn't very good at in the real military – and a shell-shocked people followed. (The result? Our National Guard hunkered down with their command and materiel in Iraq, 10,000 miles from where they're needed now.)

The disaster in the gulf is a better test: no enemy for the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral," but rather a disaster that requires REAL decisiveness, REAL rapid response, and REAL rapid coordination of services to save lives. And so far, Mr. Bush and his administration of thugs and cretins has failed the test.

The new reality of the greatest nation on earth, the message that both the ideology of the last four years and the piss-poor response to Hurricane Katrina sends to us is: "you're on your own" – which begs the question: if a society (or government) does not exist for the security and benefit of all of its people, then just what in hell is it good for?

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» Good question monkey wrench Posted by: Olympiada