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A Flood of Bad Policies
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To use a fine Southern word, it's tacky to start playing the blame game before the dead are even counted. It is not too soon, however, to make a point that needs to be hammered home again and again, and that is that government policies have real consequences in people's lives. This is not "just politics" or blaming for political advantage. This is about the real consequences of what governments do and do not do about their responsibilities. And about who winds up paying the price for those policies.
This is a column for everyone in the path of Hurricane Katrina who ever said, "I'm sorry, I'm just not interested in politics," or, "There's nothing I can do about it," or, "Eh, they're all crooks anyway." Nothing to do with me, nothing to do with my life, nothing I can do about any of it. Look around you this morning. I suppose the NRA would argue, "Government policies don't kill people, hurricanes kill people."
Actually, hurricanes plus government policies kill people. One of the main reasons New Orleans is so vulnerable to hurricanes is the gradual disappearance of the wetlands on the Gulf Coast that once stood as a natural buffer between the city and storms coming in from the water. The disappearance of those wetlands does not have the name of a political party or a particular administration attached to it. No one wants to play, "The Democrats did it," or, "It's all Reagan's fault."
Many environmentalists will tell you more than a century's interference with the natural flow of the Mississippi is the root cause of the problem, cutting off the movement of alluvial soil to the river's great delta. But in addition to long-range consequences of long-term policies like letting the Corps of Engineers try to build a better river than God, there are real short-term consequences, as well.
It is a fact that the Clinton administration set some tough policies on wetlands, and it is a fact that the Bush administration repealed those policies -- ordering federal agencies to stop protecting as many as 20 million acres of wetlands. Last year, four environmental groups cooperated on a joint report showing the Bush administration's policies had allowed developers to drain thousands of acres of wetlands.
Does this mean we should blame Bush for the fact that New Orleans is underwater? No, but it means we can blame Bush when a Class 3 or Class 2 hurricane puts New Orleans underwater.
At this point, it is a matter of making a bad situation worse, of failing to observe the First Rule of Holes (when you're in one, stop digging). Had a storm the size of Katrina just had the grace to hold off for a while, it's quite likely no one would even remember what the Bush administration did two months ago.
The national press corps has the attention span of a gnat, and trying to get anyone in Washington to remember longer than a year ago is like asking them what happened in Iznik, Turkey, in A.D. 325. Just plain political bad luck that, in June, Bush took his little ax and chopped $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers, a 44 percent reduction.
As was reported in New Orleans CityBusiness at the time, that meant "major hurricane and flood projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now."
The commander of the Corps' New Orleans district also immediately instituted a hiring freeze and cancelled the annual Corps picnic. Our friends at the Center for American Progress note the Office of Technology Assessment used to produce forward-thinking plans such as "Floods: A National Policy Concern" and "A Framework for Flood Hazards Management." Unfortunately, the office was targeted by Newt Gingrich and the Republican right, and gutted years ago.
In fact, there is now a government-wide movement away from basing policy on science, expertise and professionalism, and in favor of choices based on ideology. If you're wondering what the ideological position on flood management might be, look at the pictures of New Orleans -- it seems to consist of gutting the programs that do anything.
Unfortunately, the war in Iraq is directly related to the devastation left by the hurricane. About 35 percent of Louisiana's National Guard is now serving in Iraq, where four out of every 10 soldiers are guardsmen. Recruiting for the Guard is also down significantly because people are afraid of being sent to Iraq if they join, leaving the Guard even more short-handed.
The Louisiana National Guard also notes that dozens of its high-water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators have also been sent abroad. (I hate to be picky, but why do they need high-water vehicles in Iraq?) This, in turn, goes back to the original policy decision to go into Iraq without enough soldiers and the subsequent failure to admit that mistake and to rectify it by instituting a draft.
The levees of New Orleans, two of which are now broken and flooding the city, were also victims of Iraq war spending. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, said on June 8, 2004, "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq."
This, friends, is why we need to pay attention to government policies, not political personalities, and to know whereon we vote. It is about our lives.
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Posted by: ralrob48 on Sep 2, 2005 2:22 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2005 4:54 AM
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On that happy note....
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Posted by: Erin on Sep 2, 2005 5:44 AM
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But that aside, the blame for this must fall on the shoulders of Bush, et al. He took the money for the rebuilding of the levees to use on his illegal war in Irag. He has taken the National Guard and their equipment and sent them to Irag leaving these people vulnerable to the misery they now face. Bush needs to be held accountable - not for the work of Mother Nature, but for the aftermath his policies have caused.
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Posted by: captainmarvel on Sep 2, 2005 6:26 AM
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My opinion.....End all foreign aid NOW! End all subsidies to illegal aliens NOW! Our own citizens needs trump the needs of illegal aliens and other countries. Oh yeah, and abolishing welfare could free up quite a bit of money too.
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Posted by: JohnnyM on Sep 2, 2005 6:41 AM
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But now I question - Is he a racist too? Why else wouldn't he have sent the army(or some form of) in right away - I've heard them say because all the the troops are in Iraq, but that's b.s.
All I've seen on CNN is about 90% of the people are black (& poor - and yes, they didn't heed the warning, but how could you get out w/o transport or money?) and they're desparate. It's not "looting" if you take water and food for your family, it's survival. But I realize there are hoodlums there too, taking cigs & guns & booze - the few always spoil it for the many. But most people there have good hearts and deserved help on tuesday.
When Dubya came on the news with Clinton & senior at his side (to add SOME credibility) the smugness in his eyes was so obvious - What an asshole. I "read" people for a living, and I know his heart just doesn't care.
At least one good thing may occur - some of the borderline R's and non-extremists will see what kind of person he really is (finally!!) and maybe you can force him out now...early...the world can't wait til 2008!
I question; If this Hurricane hit Corpus Christi and other parts of Texas with the same level of destruction, what would the Federal response have been?
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Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 2, 2005 6:44 AM
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he didn't want people blaming anyone...there's a lot of finger-pointing.
Then he had the audacity to say that he had gotten on t.v. and "begged" everyone to evacuate on Sunday.
(ugh, I think that's indirectly blaming those that are trapped there now)
This remark topped it all:
He said, "I'm tired, but I did have a shower and slept in a bed lastnite and that puts me ahead of thousands of people in MS. "
What kind of "leader" is that?
What does that say about him as a "Christian?"
That last remark is the most callous, pompous, arrogant, thing I've ever heard from a person "in charge" of a state -- much less a state w/ hungry, thirsty, dirty, tired, homeless people!
When I had lunch in my air conditioned home Tues., I couldn't help but see the faces of my missing friends. I felt guilty.
I had 3 friends in Ocean Springs, MS trying to get out. Angie emailed at 2 p.m. Sun. saying " it's not good at all. everyone is freaking out!!!! It's too late to leave--the roads are horrible...so all we can do is hang on...no good."
So did Barbour imagine the magnitude of his plea for people to EVACUATE on SUNDAY AFTERNOON!! Millions of people suddenly hitting the 3 MAIN ROADS OUT- I-10 & 90 E./W. New Orleans/Mobile or 49 N. to Hattiesburg.
What PLAN was in place to handle the possibility of a major hurricane hitting our HIGHLY DEVELOPED, ECONOMICALLY STRONG COAST that also includED PORTS AND SHIP BUILDING!! And now our 'illustrious' admin. in Wash. is going to dismantle Keesler A.F. Base in Biloxi?? What the HELL are they thinking?!
Wait...THEY are NOT THINKING AT ALL!
It's all about 911 911 911 and terrorists terrorists terrorists!
I'm sick of hearing that over & over--sick of it!
I hold this country's admins.-present & past in Wash. as well as MS ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR PEOPLE.
Compassionate Conservatives my ass!!
Haley Barbour and Georgie Porgie need to wake up!! Their vision of money/power has tainted any common sense they might have had and certainly disoriented their sense of reality!!
Gara
MS
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» RE: What's Wrong? - ATTITUDES AND Policies!! Mississippi for one
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Posted by: nakis on Sep 2, 2005 7:37 AM
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Compare what is happening with these few tidbits.
In 2001 Hurricane Michelle, a level-4 storm, hit with sustained 125-mile-per-hour winds and widespread floods hit Cuba, more than 700,000 people were evacuated. Only five Cubans lost their lives in the storm. In September 2004, Cuba endured Ivan, the fifth-largest hurricane ever to hit the Caribbean, with sustained winds of 124 miles per hour. Cuba evacuated almost 2 million people--more than 15 percent of the total population. No one was killed.
Venezuelan President Chavez has announced that Venezuela will be offering poor people discounted gas through its Citgo chain. He has also offered to send more than $1 million in oil, food, and and equipment to the region. In addition, the Venezuelan government is offering two mobile hospital units, each capable of assisting 150 people, 120 specialists in rescue operations, 10 water purifying plants, 18 electricity generators of 850 KW each, 20 tons of bottled water, and 50 tons of canned food.
A senior U.S. State Department official said he was not aware of the Venezuelan offer, and then dismissed it as "counterproductive."
As reported by ANSWER/IAC.
Must be more commie liberal extremist propaganda.
Why is the wealthiest nation in the world so unprepared for a hurricane? Why are we so responding so poorly?
Why as a previous poster put it, were peoples of other nations pulling together during national disasters and we are experiencing this, now?
The Cuban and Venezuelan models are far from perfect. But with them being as poor as they are how are they able to take care of their poorest people so well when the wealthiest of nations not only sets itself up for a disaster like this but also responds so poorly.
Proof is in the results. And the results are very telling.
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Posted by: surfreality on Sep 2, 2005 7:50 AM
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Congress returned from recess on 1 day's notice to pass an unconstitutional law for 1 brain dead individual. Let Americans compare and contrast their behavior then to today's national emergency where 10s of 1000s are in immediate peril. When exactly did the Speaker Of The House and the Senate Majority Leader convene their respective chambers? If you support the current leadership expect more of the same governance.
The whole world is watching.
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Posted by: 404080 on Sep 2, 2005 8:19 AM
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Sure, now that the wind and rain are gone and the cameras are rolling, all the polititians are squawkin' for the idiot box, capitalizing on the moment. I don't doubt for a second that if they could get away with doing less, they would do less.
Here's a major humanitarian crisis and all I'm hearing is stories about looting and rape from authorities. The right wingers are up in arms about private property and there's old ladies laying around dead in wheelchairs. These people were left for dead, plain and simple.
You might as well leave New Orleans under the swamp as a testament to the rot of your so-called democracy.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 2, 2005 9:03 AM
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This welfare line is one that was parlayed into fact right around the time Voodoo economics was given credence by rich folks convincing poor folks that the source of evil was the other poor folks around them, not the rich folks given tax breaks that were supposed to magically filter through the pockets of these good rich people into the hands of the poor via job creation and a whole myriad of voodoo that would magically lead to wealth for all if we just let the rich people off the hook for taxes and responsibility for their actions via deregulation.
The next time you are stuck over in the slow lane with the rest of us that can’t get out of town, take a look at those that can. Which one are you?
Then ask yourself a simple question. If you cannot stand to spend money on welfare recipients because it pisses you off that people rip it off, how can you stand to pay for ignoring it in the first place, after the flood.
Anyone that looks at these things can see that 71 million dollars spent a year ago could have prevented a levee breach, and could have supported a continued effort to fix a problem that must be dealt with as it lies. On the other hand consider what it will cost you now. Now consider what the human cost is and how it will affect you. Do you really want all those bad, lazy, welfare recipients living in your neighborhood?
If you are really so naïve as to believe that welfare money is going to break the bank, consider it in real Republican terms; How long before these folks realize that they have been “Bushwacked” as Molly would say. This is not really partisan; it is just a game played with people and money, and you my friend are a pawn, just like the rest of us.
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FOX NEWS HUME & FRIENDS TRANSCRIPT RE: HORROR IN LA. AND MISSISSIPPI
August 30, 2005
Fred Barnes to Katrina Victims: Drop Dead
"Fred Barnes, who supports throwing endless amounts of taxpayers' money down the rat hole called the Iraq War, says the federal government should stop providing disaster aid to places like New Orleans when they suffer hurricane damage.
Barnes, speaking on "Special Report with Brit Hume" on Monday (August 29), said people who move into such areas should assume the risk themselves rather than expect help from Congress. "
to read the transcript w/remarks:
www.congress.org/congressorg/
issues/alert/?alertid=7983156
&content_dir=ua_congressorg
I suppose because I live in an area that has chances for tornadoes in the spring and then again in November (usually the week of Thanksgiving) I should move my ass to somewhere else!!!??? What the hell is wrong w/people these days! That asshole has his own house in Florida! Shouldn't he move on outa there????
please note: I had to space the link on seperate lines because it was too long for this site to let me use.
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 2, 2005 10:25 AM
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Does anyone have any information?
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Posted by: Dak on Sep 2, 2005 10:59 AM
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Well, you ring-wingnuts and dolts (errrr, I mean....bolts), the evangelicals, and televangelistic lemmings...you got what you asked for. Happy swimming to ya!!!
On a more serious note (and I WAS serious, above), my heart cries for the victims of this hurricane disaster. I have donated and am willing to house people who want to start their lives over up here.
Just e-mail me at dakotahgeo@hotmail,com but PLEASE...no christian bigots and/or evangelicals...they most assuredly...can save themselves!
Pastor Dak!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 2, 2005 11:51 AM
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9/11 was not a true test of Mr. Bush's character, because it was an obvious attack with an obvious cause (at least from what they want us to believe), to which anyone above a grade-B moron would know how to respond. It gave Bush a chance to play Warrior – something he wasn't very good at in the real military – and a shell-shocked people followed. (The result? Our National Guard hunkered down with their command and materiel in Iraq, 10,000 miles from where they're needed now.)
The disaster in the gulf is a better test: no enemy for the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral," but rather a disaster that requires REAL decisiveness, REAL rapid response, and REAL rapid coordination of services to save lives. And so far, Mr. Bush and his administration of thugs and cretins has failed the test.
The new reality of the greatest nation on earth, the message that both the ideology of the last four years and the piss-poor response to Hurricane Katrina sends to us is: "you're on your own" – which begs the question: if a society (or government) does not exist for the security and benefit of all of its people, then just what in hell is it good for?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 2, 2005 12:39 PM
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When business runs (buys?) the government, it can switch those priorities. That's the real Republican platform. Since Reagan that's what they've done, because they truly do believe that what is good for business is good for the US.
Since they peddle their business products with clever adverts and we, Americans, have been trained to respond as the merchandisers want, we also have bought the adverts for government as just another big business.
Well, let's see them privatize the clean-up. Why didn't the free market sell levies before the sea came crashing in? They don't trust government, even when no one else can do the job. Enough backbiting and Monday morning quarterbacking. We need good government not no government.
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Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 2, 2005 12:59 PM
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http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/
If you would like to see pictures and find info on my home state's losses The Sun Herald paper in Biloxi is an excellent source.
I don't know where in Biloxi their office is (since destruction there was so immense) but they have relentlessly kept this paper going online with postings going on all the time. They deserve a medal!!
Help to my state has been extremely slow in coming. The response to Mississippi has been pathetic! But then we seem to always be first in bad stuff and last for good stuff.
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Sep 2, 2005 6:05 PM
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Our President’s Cosseted Sensibilities
I just wanted to let Americans at home know that, on an Austrian news special tonight covering the U.S. hurricane disaster area, the Austrian foreign correspondent reporting from Biloxi, MS stated that he witnessed a massive “window-dressing” (*) effort there for Pres. Bush’s convoy today {(*) the reporter’s word choice; he said he borrowed the term from the locals}.
He reported that along certain streets a huge clean-up was suddenly undertaken. American flags were hung out, even a woman carrying a baby suddenly appeared on the scene, aimlessly walking around (he said she later disappeared as quickly and inexplicably as she’d arrived).
The news crews asked what was going on, and they were told that President Bush was on his way through the area. The Austrian correspondent said the depth of cynicism represented by this spot-cleaning action is nothing short of appalling and I heartily agree. He pointed off camera, saying that not 500 meters away (but safely out of the president’s sight) a pile of human corpses is rotting in the hot sun. In short, Bush took stock of a disaster area that someone in charge decreed couldn’t be allowed to look like a disaster area, and this travesty was performed for George W. Bush and only for his sake.
As those interviewed complained (and footage showed), the presidential convoy consisted of range rovers sufficiently large enough to have carried at least some water or food for those in such dire need. But the convoy distributed nothing to the people along this prettified route; it zoomed through without stopping.
The reporter also stated categorically that he was seeing help and clean up efforts being undertaken only in the wealthier, coastal zones of Biloxi so far. Just a few meters inland, where the have-nots (used to) live… “nothing”. (At this point, the satellite connection to the correspondent was lost.) Can anyone confirm these reports?
Beth Jones, Salzburg and Iowa, USA
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Sep 2, 2005 6:08 PM
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If I had to give this catastrophe at least a somewhat optimistic spin, I’d speculate that high gasoline prices could have an indirect benefit, meaning Americans might now, finally, begin to conserve energy instead of indulging our usual, good-to-the-last-drop, “What, me walk 50 yards?!” consumption. A surge in interest and R&D regarding alternative energy technology could occur. (And why not? Experimental models of "plug-in" hybrids are already getting up to 250 mpg.)
However, I think a short-sighted, GOP-heavy Congress will (through the upcoming budget reconciliation bill) instead allow the oil industry to have its filthy way with irreplaceable wildernesses like the Arctic Refuge, as well as allow drilling offshore from tourist meccas in e.g. Florida. They’ll claim this will be “necessary” in order to offset the rigs temporarily offline in the Gulf of Mexico. Hurricane Katrina is a godsend for those who support the drilling measure targeting the ANWR (furtively, illegitimately tucked into the budget by poli-pals of the oil industry to keep it from fairly losing (yet) another up/down vote before the full House/Senate.) I’m betting the reconciliation bill will be passed with nary a thought for the environmental consequences, despite the fact that the ANWR holds a mere pittance of petroleum which would not be available for seven to ten years, not to mention that the majority of Americans (incl. Alaskans) have consistently opposed this greed-based folly.
The matter will be pushed off the radar by the (absolutely appropriate) need to tack on billions of aid for the storm-ravaged areas and only (too late) will we hear that, oh yeah, sorry, we ‘have to’ destroy our last, best, true wilderness in search of more oil that wouldn’t be needed at all if we would merely require S.U.V.'s to meet the same fuel economy standards as ordinary cars (the savings: one million barrels a day, more than the Arctic Refuge could produce at peak volume -- again, about 10 years from now).
And meanwhile… as our poverty-stricken brethren die of thirst and lack of medicine in the southern swelter, some of our hyper-“christian” citizens have seen fit to declare that Katrina is God’s way of telling New Orleans that they shouldn’t have been hosting homosexuals and other partying sinners all these years. (Who is really in need of repentance here?)
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 2, 2005 7:57 PM
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I live in Australia. We are known for raising funds within the community quickly for overseas disasters. We don't wait for our Government to contribute assistance, and criticise our Government when they don't respond quickly to provide aid.
The interesting thing I"ve noticed is that no-one here is raising money to assist your country. I realise that our Government has offered assistance which has been declined by your Government. So, our Government is providing a paltry $10 million to the Red Cross.
Perhaps others here feel the same way that I do. It's a mess that you've got there. And, it's time that the people of the richest country in the world, with the highest poverty level, infant mortality rate, deaths by perscribed drugs, gun related deaths, etc, of any developed country in the world, started to shift it's priorities and started to help it's comunities.
And, for those of you who want your Government to stop aid to other countries, I want you to know that you guys also contribute the least from any developed country in real aid. Most of that money which is called " aid " is used to keep dictators in place in order to support US Corporations.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 2, 2005 11:08 PM
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I also like how you talked about the environmental reasons for this disaster. If you think about it on a holistic, organic scale, cities need to be built in accordance with the landscape. Destroying the natural ecosystem will result in chaos. I know nothing about New Orleans, but I would venture a guess that it was not built in accordance with its natural surrounding, was not built on principles of 'green design'.
It is hard to talk about the future when the present is so tragic. But one would hope that when it comes to rebuilding the city, that environmental concerns will be taken into account on all levels.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 3, 2005 1:25 AM
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How about the ones in France that Bush et al. called cheese eating surrender monkeys? Do you think that they are predisposed to help or to laugh?
How about the tsunami victims who saw Bush begrudgingly offer them 9 cents per American? Empathy or Schadenfreude? (See http://www.juancole.com/2004/ 12/bush-and-tsunami-transcript-of.html (close the space between "2004/" and "12/bush" after cutting and pasting.
Imagine how much the Commander-in-Chimp has cost the disaster victims just in this way apart from his pissing away funds, manpower and other resources in distant deserts. This is a stunningly stupid man who has cost Americans much more than they are likely to ever know.
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 3, 2005 4:33 AM
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When the interveiwer asked, " Why did it take you guys so long to act? Why did it take so long before you did anything ? " ...or words to that effect, Sean said,.....
" We can't just go ahead and act. We need to be prepared, and we were. But, we can only act when we have the go-ahead from the President "
WOW ** So what took him so long to give the Northern Defence the go-ahead ?
I think that you guys better ask him. I don't know if you have access to the BBC new, but there may be a transcript of the interview on www.BBCnews.com.
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… and meanwhile the shareholders in Bush/Cheney’s Kill & Drill Inc. will continue to rake in the fat profits of their no-bid, Iraqi reconstruction contracts … Cheney's Halliburton… its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root… Bush-friendly Bechtel… the Carlyle Group (one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the U.S., its investors include G.W. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, and James Baker, G.W.’s Florida recount chairman & his right-hand man for the Middle East)
… and meanwhile these same warmongers will continue to incessantly remind us to fear “terrists” to keep us from noticing that the call to arms we most need to heed is the one to save our planet from our own short-sighted, wasteful greed.
I’ve been calling for the impeachment of BOTH Bush & Cheney since their dubious regime began. Then came the illegal invasion of Iraq, the Downing Street Minutes … will Katrina’s aftermath drive the American people and Congress to finally speak truth to the power(mad), including the lazy media?
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 3, 2005 7:04 AM
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Posted by: katia on Sep 3, 2005 8:39 AM
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Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 3, 2005 8:54 AM
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What were they thinking about?
What were they spending our money on???
Where are the satelite communications in all this mess?
The news and weather channel people got in and they are communicating to us... and FEMA/ Nat. Guard/ etc. are having problems communicating amongst themselves????
Last I heard (lastnite via a WEATHER CHANNEL person in Biloxi) Red Cross was there, but people who need them don't even know it--and if they did, how would they get there??!!
Walk for miles, I guess, since Red Cross seems to only be in one location there.
Talk about 'communication breakdown'!! Add lack of co-ordinated response and direct help w/food and water on the ground on MS gulf coast areas and you've got a real mess on top of devastation!
MS resident
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Posted by: Snerd on Sep 3, 2005 10:27 AM
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(Excerpt from "Democracy" by L. Cohen.)
It's coming through a hole in the air,
from those nights in Tiananmen Square.
It's coming from the feel
that this ain't exactly real,
or it's real, but it ain't exactly there.
From the wars against disorder,
from the sirens night and day,
from the fires of the homeless,
from the ashes of the gay:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
[…]
It's coming from the silence
on the dock of the bay,
from the brave, the bold, the battered
heart of Chevrolet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
the holy places where the races meet;
from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.
Snerd
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Posted by: Boronia on Sep 3, 2005 4:21 PM
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 4, 2005 12:36 AM
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Heck....seeing as most of the people who live there are poor & coloured, the Republicans will just pull another " hat trick " . The same as they did in Florida, and brother Jeb disqualified anyone who had any sort of an offence from voting. Naturally,....most of those who's vote was disqualified were coloured people.
So,....if they start voting Democrat in this area, with those shonky voting machines again,....even if 80% of the couloured people voted Democrat, the laws would suddenly be changed to disqualify them & their vote wouldn't be counted.
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Posted by: SharC on Sep 4, 2005 2:37 PM
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It is all to obvious that no one in the Bush administration is willing to shoulder any of the blame. Anyone who has been watching the live coverage on CNN, MSNBC, even FOX, for the past week knows what is happening. Then to hear the administration's spokesmen (especially Michael Brown of FEMA and the head of Homeland Security) claim that they did not appreciate, or even know, how chaotic it was in New Orleans and elsewhere?!?! Well from my point of view we need to finally tell Bush and company to pack it in. This nation simply can no longer tolerate another example of their ineptitude.
Finally, DO NOT blame the Mayor New Orleans. Since late Tuesday, he has been pleading with anyone who would listen to bring in aid ASAP. Some claim that neither he nor the Governor had ASKED for aid, what this means that they had apparently failed follow the proper beaurecratic procedure. Give me a break, these are one of the times that beaucracy must be abandoned. Take off the rose colored glasses...the rest of the world is watching!
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 4, 2005 9:54 PM
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Last night on 60 minutes police were interveiwed, saying that they wouldn't have stopped anyone looting, as the survivors were searching for food and water. Where were the air-drops of supplies ??. Our press said that it was worse than what they'd seen in Haiti. And, that's saying something. A pox on you Bush !!
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Posted by: heavens_tears on Sep 6, 2005 2:33 PM
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2. Hurricanes are a GAMBLE. They may or may not be severe and they may or may not come your way. It’s expensive, and time consuming, and life unsettling to evacuate every time one comes in. For that reason, local and state officials do not take Mandatory Evacuations lightly. When they do issue those orders, it’s time to go.
3. However, many folks, as evidenced by the significant number of non-evacuees in the Katrina situation, CHOOSE to stay and not go. Many of these are thrill seekers who stay because they want the experience; many are old-timers who’ve ridden out hurricanes in the past, and just think they’re bullet proof; some just don’t want to go to the inconvenience – they choose to take the gamble. Another small minority are truly lacking in the means, for one reason or another.
4. Even now, with e-coli in the water, many residents are REFUSING to leave.
5. I’ve witnessed so many people on TV - middle class, educated, affluent looking people - in the last week with the same similar story: ‘My 94 year-old father/mother who lives alone in NO is there without food and water and is starving. He/she has a heart condition and is a diabetic, etc, etc, etc.’ It’s heart breaking….. My question to these folks is “Why the Hell was your 94 year-old parent with all of these medical problems living alone anywhere? Where are YOU and what is YOUR responsibility in this situation? This is YOUR parent. When you saw a Cat5 hurricane heading for where ever your parent was living, what did YOU do to get them out of harm’s way? “
6. We have become a total Entitlement Mentality oriented society – not wanting to look after our own but expecting the government to do it. Other nations citizens – Cuba, Carribean Isle countries, Bangladesh, sunammi victims – very poor nations – all know how to help themselves when disaster hits while Americans sit on their butts and whine and cry out “Help me, governmental agencies”.
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Posted by: DaveSturdevant on Sep 6, 2005 6:29 PM
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Posted by: blokkedbrain on Sep 7, 2005 5:00 AM
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But what is worth mentioning is the way westerners feel when we have time to reflect on the happenings in southern North America.
Regardless of the treatment handed out to enemies of the west in the Arabian Peninsula, there was alwas the sneaking feeling that in the end, western interests were being looked after,and THAT couldn't happen here.
We knew that oil IS STILL a bloody improrant commodity, and America is the best agent to act for the West in that region.
But, it seems that a day in the life and death of New Orleans has changed so much.
Who now, in the West, can feel certain that our governments will be able to, or even want to, help us if we are hit by terrorists? New Orleans was given warnings that no terrorist group would, or will, EVER give. The federal government had prepared for years to off-set the disasterous ramifications of a mass-exodus.
And Yet?????
Where do the millions and billions go, invested in providing succour, safety, and providence for displaced populations after a catastrophic happening?
If America can't do it, then we in the West are F***ed!!!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 2, 2005 4:54 AM
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On that happy note....
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Posted by: Erin on Sep 2, 2005 5:44 AM
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But that aside, the blame for this must fall on the shoulders of Bush, et al. He took the money for the rebuilding of the levees to use on his illegal war in Irag. He has taken the National Guard and their equipment and sent them to Irag leaving these people vulnerable to the misery they now face. Bush needs to be held accountable - not for the work of Mother Nature, but for the aftermath his policies have caused.
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Posted by: captainmarvel on Sep 2, 2005 6:26 AM
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My opinion.....End all foreign aid NOW! End all subsidies to illegal aliens NOW! Our own citizens needs trump the needs of illegal aliens and other countries. Oh yeah, and abolishing welfare could free up quite a bit of money too.
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Posted by: JohnnyM on Sep 2, 2005 6:41 AM
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But now I question - Is he a racist too? Why else wouldn't he have sent the army(or some form of) in right away - I've heard them say because all the the troops are in Iraq, but that's b.s.
All I've seen on CNN is about 90% of the people are black (& poor - and yes, they didn't heed the warning, but how could you get out w/o transport or money?) and they're desparate. It's not "looting" if you take water and food for your family, it's survival. But I realize there are hoodlums there too, taking cigs & guns & booze - the few always spoil it for the many. But most people there have good hearts and deserved help on tuesday.
When Dubya came on the news with Clinton & senior at his side (to add SOME credibility) the smugness in his eyes was so obvious - What an asshole. I "read" people for a living, and I know his heart just doesn't care.
At least one good thing may occur - some of the borderline R's and non-extremists will see what kind of person he really is (finally!!) and maybe you can force him out now...early...the world can't wait til 2008!
I question; If this Hurricane hit Corpus Christi and other parts of Texas with the same level of destruction, what would the Federal response have been?
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Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 2, 2005 6:44 AM
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he didn't want people blaming anyone...there's a lot of finger-pointing.
Then he had the audacity to say that he had gotten on t.v. and "begged" everyone to evacuate on Sunday.
(ugh, I think that's indirectly blaming those that are trapped there now)
This remark topped it all:
He said, "I'm tired, but I did have a shower and slept in a bed lastnite and that puts me ahead of thousands of people in MS. "
What kind of "leader" is that?
What does that say about him as a "Christian?"
That last remark is the most callous, pompous, arrogant, thing I've ever heard from a person "in charge" of a state -- much less a state w/ hungry, thirsty, dirty, tired, homeless people!
When I had lunch in my air conditioned home Tues., I couldn't help but see the faces of my missing friends. I felt guilty.
I had 3 friends in Ocean Springs, MS trying to get out. Angie emailed at 2 p.m. Sun. saying " it's not good at all. everyone is freaking out!!!! It's too late to leave--the roads are horrible...so all we can do is hang on...no good."
So did Barbour imagine the magnitude of his plea for people to EVACUATE on SUNDAY AFTERNOON!! Millions of people suddenly hitting the 3 MAIN ROADS OUT- I-10 & 90 E./W. New Orleans/Mobile or 49 N. to Hattiesburg.
What PLAN was in place to handle the possibility of a major hurricane hitting our HIGHLY DEVELOPED, ECONOMICALLY STRONG COAST that also includED PORTS AND SHIP BUILDING!! And now our 'illustrious' admin. in Wash. is going to dismantle Keesler A.F. Base in Biloxi?? What the HELL are they thinking?!
Wait...THEY are NOT THINKING AT ALL!
It's all about 911 911 911 and terrorists terrorists terrorists!
I'm sick of hearing that over & over--sick of it!
I hold this country's admins.-present & past in Wash. as well as MS ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR PEOPLE.
Compassionate Conservatives my ass!!
Haley Barbour and Georgie Porgie need to wake up!! Their vision of money/power has tainted any common sense they might have had and certainly disoriented their sense of reality!!
Gara
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» RE: What's Wrong? - ATTITUDES AND Policies!! Mississippi for one
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Posted by: nakis on Sep 2, 2005 7:37 AM
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Compare what is happening with these few tidbits.
In 2001 Hurricane Michelle, a level-4 storm, hit with sustained 125-mile-per-hour winds and widespread floods hit Cuba, more than 700,000 people were evacuated. Only five Cubans lost their lives in the storm. In September 2004, Cuba endured Ivan, the fifth-largest hurricane ever to hit the Caribbean, with sustained winds of 124 miles per hour. Cuba evacuated almost 2 million people--more than 15 percent of the total population. No one was killed.
Venezuelan President Chavez has announced that Venezuela will be offering poor people discounted gas through its Citgo chain. He has also offered to send more than $1 million in oil, food, and and equipment to the region. In addition, the Venezuelan government is offering two mobile hospital units, each capable of assisting 150 people, 120 specialists in rescue operations, 10 water purifying plants, 18 electricity generators of 850 KW each, 20 tons of bottled water, and 50 tons of canned food.
A senior U.S. State Department official said he was not aware of the Venezuelan offer, and then dismissed it as "counterproductive."
As reported by ANSWER/IAC.
Must be more commie liberal extremist propaganda.
Why is the wealthiest nation in the world so unprepared for a hurricane? Why are we so responding so poorly?
Why as a previous poster put it, were peoples of other nations pulling together during national disasters and we are experiencing this, now?
The Cuban and Venezuelan models are far from perfect. But with them being as poor as they are how are they able to take care of their poorest people so well when the wealthiest of nations not only sets itself up for a disaster like this but also responds so poorly.
Proof is in the results. And the results are very telling.
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Posted by: surfreality on Sep 2, 2005 7:50 AM
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Congress returned from recess on 1 day's notice to pass an unconstitutional law for 1 brain dead individual. Let Americans compare and contrast their behavior then to today's national emergency where 10s of 1000s are in immediate peril. When exactly did the Speaker Of The House and the Senate Majority Leader convene their respective chambers? If you support the current leadership expect more of the same governance.
The whole world is watching.
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Posted by: 404080 on Sep 2, 2005 8:19 AM
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Sure, now that the wind and rain are gone and the cameras are rolling, all the polititians are squawkin' for the idiot box, capitalizing on the moment. I don't doubt for a second that if they could get away with doing less, they would do less.
Here's a major humanitarian crisis and all I'm hearing is stories about looting and rape from authorities. The right wingers are up in arms about private property and there's old ladies laying around dead in wheelchairs. These people were left for dead, plain and simple.
You might as well leave New Orleans under the swamp as a testament to the rot of your so-called democracy.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 2, 2005 9:03 AM
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This welfare line is one that was parlayed into fact right around the time Voodoo economics was given credence by rich folks convincing poor folks that the source of evil was the other poor folks around them, not the rich folks given tax breaks that were supposed to magically filter through the pockets of these good rich people into the hands of the poor via job creation and a whole myriad of voodoo that would magically lead to wealth for all if we just let the rich people off the hook for taxes and responsibility for their actions via deregulation.
The next time you are stuck over in the slow lane with the rest of us that can’t get out of town, take a look at those that can. Which one are you?
Then ask yourself a simple question. If you cannot stand to spend money on welfare recipients because it pisses you off that people rip it off, how can you stand to pay for ignoring it in the first place, after the flood.
Anyone that looks at these things can see that 71 million dollars spent a year ago could have prevented a levee breach, and could have supported a continued effort to fix a problem that must be dealt with as it lies. On the other hand consider what it will cost you now. Now consider what the human cost is and how it will affect you. Do you really want all those bad, lazy, welfare recipients living in your neighborhood?
If you are really so naïve as to believe that welfare money is going to break the bank, consider it in real Republican terms; How long before these folks realize that they have been “Bushwacked” as Molly would say. This is not really partisan; it is just a game played with people and money, and you my friend are a pawn, just like the rest of us.
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FOX NEWS HUME & FRIENDS TRANSCRIPT RE: HORROR IN LA. AND MISSISSIPPI
August 30, 2005
Fred Barnes to Katrina Victims: Drop Dead
"Fred Barnes, who supports throwing endless amounts of taxpayers' money down the rat hole called the Iraq War, says the federal government should stop providing disaster aid to places like New Orleans when they suffer hurricane damage.
Barnes, speaking on "Special Report with Brit Hume" on Monday (August 29), said people who move into such areas should assume the risk themselves rather than expect help from Congress. "
to read the transcript w/remarks:
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I suppose because I live in an area that has chances for tornadoes in the spring and then again in November (usually the week of Thanksgiving) I should move my ass to somewhere else!!!??? What the hell is wrong w/people these days! That asshole has his own house in Florida! Shouldn't he move on outa there????
please note: I had to space the link on seperate lines because it was too long for this site to let me use.
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Does anyone have any information?
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Posted by: Dak on Sep 2, 2005 10:59 AM
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Well, you ring-wingnuts and dolts (errrr, I mean....bolts), the evangelicals, and televangelistic lemmings...you got what you asked for. Happy swimming to ya!!!
On a more serious note (and I WAS serious, above), my heart cries for the victims of this hurricane disaster. I have donated and am willing to house people who want to start their lives over up here.
Just e-mail me at dakotahgeo@hotmail,com but PLEASE...no christian bigots and/or evangelicals...they most assuredly...can save themselves!
Pastor Dak!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 2, 2005 11:51 AM
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9/11 was not a true test of Mr. Bush's character, because it was an obvious attack with an obvious cause (at least from what they want us to believe), to which anyone above a grade-B moron would know how to respond. It gave Bush a chance to play Warrior – something he wasn't very good at in the real military – and a shell-shocked people followed. (The result? Our National Guard hunkered down with their command and materiel in Iraq, 10,000 miles from where they're needed now.)
The disaster in the gulf is a better test: no enemy for the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral," but rather a disaster that requires REAL decisiveness, REAL rapid response, and REAL rapid coordination of services to save lives. And so far, Mr. Bush and his administration of thugs and cretins has failed the test.
The new reality of the greatest nation on earth, the message that both the ideology of the last four years and the piss-poor response to Hurricane Katrina sends to us is: "you're on your own" – which begs the question: if a society (or government) does not exist for the security and benefit of all of its people, then just what in hell is it good for?
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When business runs (buys?) the government, it can switch those priorities. That's the real Republican platform. Since Reagan that's what they've done, because they truly do believe that what is good for business is good for the US.
Since they peddle their business products with clever adverts and we, Americans, have been trained to respond as the merchandisers want, we also have bought the adverts for government as just another big business.
Well, let's see them privatize the clean-up. Why didn't the free market sell levies before the sea came crashing in? They don't trust government, even when no one else can do the job. Enough backbiting and Monday morning quarterbacking. We need good government not no government.
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http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/
If you would like to see pictures and find info on my home state's losses The Sun Herald paper in Biloxi is an excellent source.
I don't know where in Biloxi their office is (since destruction there was so immense) but they have relentlessly kept this paper going online with postings going on all the time. They deserve a medal!!
Help to my state has been extremely slow in coming. The response to Mississippi has been pathetic! But then we seem to always be first in bad stuff and last for good stuff.
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Sep 2, 2005 6:05 PM
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Our President’s Cosseted Sensibilities
I just wanted to let Americans at home know that, on an Austrian news special tonight covering the U.S. hurricane disaster area, the Austrian foreign correspondent reporting from Biloxi, MS stated that he witnessed a massive “window-dressing” (*) effort there for Pres. Bush’s convoy today {(*) the reporter’s word choice; he said he borrowed the term from the locals}.
He reported that along certain streets a huge clean-up was suddenly undertaken. American flags were hung out, even a woman carrying a baby suddenly appeared on the scene, aimlessly walking around (he said she later disappeared as quickly and inexplicably as she’d arrived).
The news crews asked what was going on, and they were told that President Bush was on his way through the area. The Austrian correspondent said the depth of cynicism represented by this spot-cleaning action is nothing short of appalling and I heartily agree. He pointed off camera, saying that not 500 meters away (but safely out of the president’s sight) a pile of human corpses is rotting in the hot sun. In short, Bush took stock of a disaster area that someone in charge decreed couldn’t be allowed to look like a disaster area, and this travesty was performed for George W. Bush and only for his sake.
As those interviewed complained (and footage showed), the presidential convoy consisted of range rovers sufficiently large enough to have carried at least some water or food for those in such dire need. But the convoy distributed nothing to the people along this prettified route; it zoomed through without stopping.
The reporter also stated categorically that he was seeing help and clean up efforts being undertaken only in the wealthier, coastal zones of Biloxi so far. Just a few meters inland, where the have-nots (used to) live… “nothing”. (At this point, the satellite connection to the correspondent was lost.) Can anyone confirm these reports?
Beth Jones, Salzburg and Iowa, USA
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If I had to give this catastrophe at least a somewhat optimistic spin, I’d speculate that high gasoline prices could have an indirect benefit, meaning Americans might now, finally, begin to conserve energy instead of indulging our usual, good-to-the-last-drop, “What, me walk 50 yards?!” consumption. A surge in interest and R&D regarding alternative energy technology could occur. (And why not? Experimental models of "plug-in" hybrids are already getting up to 250 mpg.)
However, I think a short-sighted, GOP-heavy Congress will (through the upcoming budget reconciliation bill) instead allow the oil industry to have its filthy way with irreplaceable wildernesses like the Arctic Refuge, as well as allow drilling offshore from tourist meccas in e.g. Florida. They’ll claim this will be “necessary” in order to offset the rigs temporarily offline in the Gulf of Mexico. Hurricane Katrina is a godsend for those who support the drilling measure targeting the ANWR (furtively, illegitimately tucked into the budget by poli-pals of the oil industry to keep it from fairly losing (yet) another up/down vote before the full House/Senate.) I’m betting the reconciliation bill will be passed with nary a thought for the environmental consequences, despite the fact that the ANWR holds a mere pittance of petroleum which would not be available for seven to ten years, not to mention that the majority of Americans (incl. Alaskans) have consistently opposed this greed-based folly.
The matter will be pushed off the radar by the (absolutely appropriate) need to tack on billions of aid for the storm-ravaged areas and only (too late) will we hear that, oh yeah, sorry, we ‘have to’ destroy our last, best, true wilderness in search of more oil that wouldn’t be needed at all if we would merely require S.U.V.'s to meet the same fuel economy standards as ordinary cars (the savings: one million barrels a day, more than the Arctic Refuge could produce at peak volume -- again, about 10 years from now).
And meanwhile… as our poverty-stricken brethren die of thirst and lack of medicine in the southern swelter, some of our hyper-“christian” citizens have seen fit to declare that Katrina is God’s way of telling New Orleans that they shouldn’t have been hosting homosexuals and other partying sinners all these years. (Who is really in need of repentance here?)
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I live in Australia. We are known for raising funds within the community quickly for overseas disasters. We don't wait for our Government to contribute assistance, and criticise our Government when they don't respond quickly to provide aid.
The interesting thing I"ve noticed is that no-one here is raising money to assist your country. I realise that our Government has offered assistance which has been declined by your Government. So, our Government is providing a paltry $10 million to the Red Cross.
Perhaps others here feel the same way that I do. It's a mess that you've got there. And, it's time that the people of the richest country in the world, with the highest poverty level, infant mortality rate, deaths by perscribed drugs, gun related deaths, etc, of any developed country in the world, started to shift it's priorities and started to help it's comunities.
And, for those of you who want your Government to stop aid to other countries, I want you to know that you guys also contribute the least from any developed country in real aid. Most of that money which is called " aid " is used to keep dictators in place in order to support US Corporations.
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Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 2, 2005 11:08 PM
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I also like how you talked about the environmental reasons for this disaster. If you think about it on a holistic, organic scale, cities need to be built in accordance with the landscape. Destroying the natural ecosystem will result in chaos. I know nothing about New Orleans, but I would venture a guess that it was not built in accordance with its natural surrounding, was not built on principles of 'green design'.
It is hard to talk about the future when the present is so tragic. But one would hope that when it comes to rebuilding the city, that environmental concerns will be taken into account on all levels.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 3, 2005 1:25 AM
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How about the ones in France that Bush et al. called cheese eating surrender monkeys? Do you think that they are predisposed to help or to laugh?
How about the tsunami victims who saw Bush begrudgingly offer them 9 cents per American? Empathy or Schadenfreude? (See http://www.juancole.com/2004/ 12/bush-and-tsunami-transcript-of.html (close the space between "2004/" and "12/bush" after cutting and pasting.
Imagine how much the Commander-in-Chimp has cost the disaster victims just in this way apart from his pissing away funds, manpower and other resources in distant deserts. This is a stunningly stupid man who has cost Americans much more than they are likely to ever know.
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 3, 2005 4:33 AM
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When the interveiwer asked, " Why did it take you guys so long to act? Why did it take so long before you did anything ? " ...or words to that effect, Sean said,.....
" We can't just go ahead and act. We need to be prepared, and we were. But, we can only act when we have the go-ahead from the President "
WOW ** So what took him so long to give the Northern Defence the go-ahead ?
I think that you guys better ask him. I don't know if you have access to the BBC new, but there may be a transcript of the interview on www.BBCnews.com.
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Sep 3, 2005 4:38 AM
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… and meanwhile the shareholders in Bush/Cheney’s Kill & Drill Inc. will continue to rake in the fat profits of their no-bid, Iraqi reconstruction contracts … Cheney's Halliburton… its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root… Bush-friendly Bechtel… the Carlyle Group (one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the U.S., its investors include G.W. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, and James Baker, G.W.’s Florida recount chairman & his right-hand man for the Middle East)
… and meanwhile these same warmongers will continue to incessantly remind us to fear “terrists” to keep us from noticing that the call to arms we most need to heed is the one to save our planet from our own short-sighted, wasteful greed.
I’ve been calling for the impeachment of BOTH Bush & Cheney since their dubious regime began. Then came the illegal invasion of Iraq, the Downing Street Minutes … will Katrina’s aftermath drive the American people and Congress to finally speak truth to the power(mad), including the lazy media?
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 3, 2005 7:04 AM
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» God, I hope so but doubt it.
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Posted by: katia on Sep 3, 2005 8:39 AM
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Posted by: fedupamerican on Sep 3, 2005 8:54 AM
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What were they thinking about?
What were they spending our money on???
Where are the satelite communications in all this mess?
The news and weather channel people got in and they are communicating to us... and FEMA/ Nat. Guard/ etc. are having problems communicating amongst themselves????
Last I heard (lastnite via a WEATHER CHANNEL person in Biloxi) Red Cross was there, but people who need them don't even know it--and if they did, how would they get there??!!
Walk for miles, I guess, since Red Cross seems to only be in one location there.
Talk about 'communication breakdown'!! Add lack of co-ordinated response and direct help w/food and water on the ground on MS gulf coast areas and you've got a real mess on top of devastation!
MS resident
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Posted by: Snerd on Sep 3, 2005 10:27 AM
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(Excerpt from "Democracy" by L. Cohen.)
It's coming through a hole in the air,
from those nights in Tiananmen Square.
It's coming from the feel
that this ain't exactly real,
or it's real, but it ain't exactly there.
From the wars against disorder,
from the sirens night and day,
from the fires of the homeless,
from the ashes of the gay:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
[…]
It's coming from the silence
on the dock of the bay,
from the brave, the bold, the battered
heart of Chevrolet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
the holy places where the races meet;
from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.
Snerd
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Posted by: Barbara on Sep 4, 2005 12:36 AM
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Heck....seeing as most of the people who live there are poor & coloured, the Republicans will just pull another " hat trick " . The same as they did in Florida, and brother Jeb disqualified anyone who had any sort of an offence from voting. Naturally,....most of those who's vote was disqualified were coloured people.
So,....if they start voting Democrat in this area, with those shonky voting machines again,....even if 80% of the couloured people voted Democrat, the laws would suddenly be changed to disqualify them & their vote wouldn't be counted.
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Posted by: SharC on Sep 4, 2005 2:37 PM
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It is all to obvious that no one in the Bush administration is willing to shoulder any of the blame. Anyone who has been watching the live coverage on CNN, MSNBC, even FOX, for the past week knows what is happening. Then to hear the administration's spokesmen (especially Michael Brown of FEMA and the head of Homeland Security) claim that they did not appreciate, or even know, how chaotic it was in New Orleans and elsewhere?!?! Well from my point of view we need to finally tell Bush and company to pack it in. This nation simply can no longer tolerate another example of their ineptitude.
Finally, DO NOT blame the Mayor New Orleans. Since late Tuesday, he has been pleading with anyone who would listen to bring in aid ASAP. Some claim that neither he nor the Governor had ASKED for aid, what this means that they had apparently failed follow the proper beaurecratic procedure. Give me a break, these are one of the times that beaucracy must be abandoned. Take off the rose colored glasses...the rest of the world is watching!
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Last night on 60 minutes police were interveiwed, saying that they wouldn't have stopped anyone looting, as the survivors were searching for food and water. Where were the air-drops of supplies ??. Our press said that it was worse than what they'd seen in Haiti. And, that's saying something. A pox on you Bush !!
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Posted by: heavens_tears on Sep 6, 2005 2:33 PM
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2. Hurricanes are a GAMBLE. They may or may not be severe and they may or may not come your way. It’s expensive, and time consuming, and life unsettling to evacuate every time one comes in. For that reason, local and state officials do not take Mandatory Evacuations lightly. When they do issue those orders, it’s time to go.
3. However, many folks, as evidenced by the significant number of non-evacuees in the Katrina situation, CHOOSE to stay and not go. Many of these are thrill seekers who stay because they want the experience; many are old-timers who’ve ridden out hurricanes in the past, and just think they’re bullet proof; some just don’t want to go to the inconvenience – they choose to take the gamble. Another small minority are truly lacking in the means, for one reason or another.
4. Even now, with e-coli in the water, many residents are REFUSING to leave.
5. I’ve witnessed so many people on TV - middle class, educated, affluent looking people - in the last week with the same similar story: ‘My 94 year-old father/mother who lives alone in NO is there without food and water and is starving. He/she has a heart condition and is a diabetic, etc, etc, etc.’ It’s heart breaking….. My question to these folks is “Why the Hell was your 94 year-old parent with all of these medical problems living alone anywhere? Where are YOU and what is YOUR responsibility in this situation? This is YOUR parent. When you saw a Cat5 hurricane heading for where ever your parent was living, what did YOU do to get them out of harm’s way? “
6. We have become a total Entitlement Mentality oriented society – not wanting to look after our own but expecting the government to do it. Other nations citizens – Cuba, Carribean Isle countries, Bangladesh, sunammi victims – very poor nations – all know how to help themselves when disaster hits while Americans sit on their butts and whine and cry out “Help me, governmental agencies”.
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Posted by: DaveSturdevant on Sep 6, 2005 6:29 PM
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Posted by: blokkedbrain on Sep 7, 2005 5:00 AM
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But what is worth mentioning is the way westerners feel when we have time to reflect on the happenings in southern North America.
Regardless of the treatment handed out to enemies of the west in the Arabian Peninsula, there was alwas the sneaking feeling that in the end, western interests were being looked after,and THAT couldn't happen here.
We knew that oil IS STILL a bloody improrant commodity, and America is the best agent to act for the West in that region.
But, it seems that a day in the life and death of New Orleans has changed so much.
Who now, in the West, can feel certain that our governments will be able to, or even want to, help us if we are hit by terrorists? New Orleans was given warnings that no terrorist group would, or will, EVER give. The federal government had prepared for years to off-set the disasterous ramifications of a mass-exodus.
And Yet?????
Where do the millions and billions go, invested in providing succour, safety, and providence for displaced populations after a catastrophic happening?
If America can't do it, then we in the West are F***ed!!!
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