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By Silja J.A. Talvi, AlterNet. Posted September 12, 2005.


The 'war on drugs' has evolved into a war on weed. Billions of dollars spent, tens of thousands incarcerated, and marijuana is still as popular as ever.

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In a November 2002 letter to the nation's prosecutors, the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) didn't bother beating around the proverbial bush. "No drug matches the threat posed by marijuana," began the letter from Scott Burns, deputy director for state and local affairs.

The truth of the matter, as reiterated throughout that letter in terse language, was that marijuana was an addictive and dangerous drug linked to violent behavior on the part of users. To make matters worse, a subtle but powerful threat was identified as exacerbating the problem: well-financed and deceptive campaigns to normalize and ultimately legalize the use of marijuana.

Prosecutors were instructed to keep in mind the crucial importance of their role in fighting this threat of normalization in going after traffickers and dealers, and to tell the truth about marijuana to their communities: "The truth is that marijuana legalization would be a nightmare in America."

Yet these truths about marijuana hearken back to the absurdity of the Reefer Madness era of the 1930s, when marijuana use was linked to sexual promiscuity and violence, to say nothing of the imagined hordes of Mexicans and Blacks waiting to lure white women into pot-induced sinful acts.

Marijuana has been classified as a Schedule I drug since 1970, which means that for 35 long years, pot has been viewed by the federal government as a substance with no medicinal value and a high potential for abuse, more so than cocaine, for instance, which is a Schedule II drug. In many ways, modern-day government hysteria about the dangers of marijuana is far more distorted and far-fetched than the scare tactics that were employed under Harry J. Anslinger's reign at the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.

That's because we know a great deal more about marijuana today than we did in the '30s, particularly in the form of medical studies about the very real existence of a>cannabinoid receptors in human brains and the benefits of THC to chronic pain sufferers, as well as the fact that urban decriminalization results in neither more common nor more chronic use of marijuana.*

As far as we've been able to trace it back, cannabis has been used by humans for at least 4,500 years. There has never been a single documented overdose from any form of consumption of the plant. (It's actually not technically possible for a human being to die from smoking marijuana, as Eric Schlosser points out in his book, Reefer Madness: a user would have to smoke 100 pounds a minute for 15 minutes to take a fatal dose.) On the other hand, people can and do die from drinking too much, smoking too much crack, shooting up unexpectedly pure heroin, and snorting or popping too much OxyContin.

With all of this knowledge available to the federal government, the extremist position of the ONDCP isn't just nonsensical, it actually sounds more and more like the product of truly paranoid, delusional thinking.

Whatever the reasons behind this kind of thinking, we do know that the ONDCP and successive presidential administrations since Nixon's reign have been deadly serious about supporting this agenda, leaving no room for debate, much less any form of dissent. The extreme extent to which pot (and pot smokers) have been criminalized over the last few decades has had the effect of skewing what marijuana really is and isn't capable of doing to a person.

That's something that any of the roughly 30,000 prisoners doing time for marijuana-related charges can surely attest to, as documented by the report, Efficacy and Impact: The Criminal Justice Response to Marijuana Policy in the U.S., released last month from the Justice Policy Institute. Thirty thousand may not seem like a hell of a lot when we've got 2.1 million folks behind bars from coast to coast, but that's 10,000 more people than the far more pot-friendly Netherlands has in its entire prison system.

According to that report, the U.S. drug control budget grew from $65 million in 1969 to nearly $19.2 billion in 2003, and we are now spending nearly 300 times more on drug control than just 35 years ago. Much of that money has been poured into law enforcement and incarceration, but a significant chunk of the ONDCP's funding has also gone toward media advertising, to the tune of $4.2 billion since 1997. According to research cited in the JPI report, most of those advertising dollars went toward anti-marijuana advertisements.

Marijuana, it would seem, is simply one of the greatest threats facing our nation.

Not so, says an increasingly vocal movement of marijuana and drug law reformists hailing from all over the political spectrum. Although there will always be the kinds of pot-worshipers who maintain that the Green Goddess can do no wrong, the message of this movement isn't that smoking cannabis is entirely without potential health risks. Moderate to heavy smokers do, in fact, run the risk of lung cancer or aggravating existing problems with depression or anxiety, among other potential problems. And absolutely no one is saying that marijuana is good for kids. Most parents would rather that their children stayed free and clear of (legal and illegal) drugs in general.

The thing is that the marijuana war doesn't seem to be doing a thing for keeping kids from smoking pot. In their Efficacy and Impact report, the JPI cites the Monitoring the Future Survey, an annual survey of 50,000 students from grades 8, 10 and 12. The recent survey actually found a 90 percent increase in the number of 8th graders who had tried pot, a 66 percent increase for 10th graders, and a 44 percent increase for seniors in high school. Thirteen years of increased marijuana arrests actually correspond to increased pot smoking by kids.

In other words, thousands of pot arrests and scare tactic messaging isn't doing anything to keep these kids from trying marijuana. It can be argued, on the contrary, that this drug war strategy is having an entirely detrimental effect.

Several research studies published in recent months have highlighted this and the many other highly flawed aspects of the war on marijuana. One of these, released in May 2005 by The Sentencing Project, is about the 1990s transformation of the drug war into a war on marijuana.

Pointing to the fact that marijuana-related arrests added up to nearly half of 1.5 million drug-related arrests annually, the authors of this report noted that marijuana arrests actually increased by 113 percent between 1990 and 2002, while overall arrests in the nation decreased by 3 percent.

By way of spin control, the ONDCP has gone out of its way to say that the people being locked up are the real criminals: the money-making dealers and traffickers who operate in one of the nation's biggest and most lucrative underground economies.

The Sentencing Project's research refuted this easily. Of the marijuana arrests in 2002, nearly 9 in 10 were for possession, not dealing or trafficking. In addition, traffickers and dealers were actually getting shorter prison terms than those sentenced on possession charges: People sentenced for trafficking received a median of 9 months in prison, while those sentenced for possession received a median of 16 months in prison.

How's that for a head-scratcher?

From a fiscal standpoint, the bottom line has long since ceased making sense, as highlighted in Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron's academic paper in June 2005, Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition.

Through his research, Miron concluded that the annual cost of marijuana criminalization came in at a shocking $5.1 billion in 2000. Replacing the current criminalization model with one of taxation and regulation (not unlike that used for alcohol), he projected, would produce combined savings and tax revenues of $10-14 billion per year. The report, in turn, led more than 500 economists (led by Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman) to sign their names to an open letter to President Bush calling for "an open and honest debate about marijuana prohibition that, would likely end up favoring a system where marijuana is legal but taxed and regulated like other goods."

Studies like Miron's aren't romanticizing or glamorizing cannabis consumption, and they're certainly not spurred on by hemp-and-pot-loving hippies pushing for world peace through THC.

Miron, Friedman and the other 500 economists were not taking a stand for pot, but rather against criminalization. This is a wholly different and more informed kind of public opposition than we've seen in recent decades. According to these studies, the War on Marijuana amounts to nothing more than an escalation of the fiscally irresponsible War on Drugs that bleeds state and federal coffers dry while ruining the lives of individuals and families in the process.

But this isn't the kind of truth that the ONDCP is interested in hearing -- it''s both inconvenient and embarrassing. Better just to ignore it altogether, right?

Vancouver Mayor Larry Campbell, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police constable, drug squad officer and chief British Columbia coroner who witnessed the height of mid-1990s drug overdose deaths (from heroin in particular), has himself become a proponent of both the decriminalization and eventual legalization of marijuana. Campbell resides across the border from one the U.S. counties that has seen the greatest increase in pot-related arrests. (King County, which includes the Greater Seattle Area, experienced a 418 percent growth rate in marijuana arrests from 1990 to 2002.)

In an interview with Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Joel Connelly, Mayor Campbell put it as matter-of-frankly as possible: Drug czars are the most ill-informed people in government ... [John Walters] is pushing an agenda that doesn't fit in the real world. He's in denial."

He's right, and the U.S. war on marijuana (and on illicit substances in general) is an abject failure. The emperor is wearing no clothes whatsoever; we should be willing to call his bluff.


* In May 2004, the first rigorous study comparing pot use in the Netherlands and the U.S. was published in the American Journal of Public Health. The study, funded by the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Dutch Ministry of Health, compared San Francisco and Amsterdam to find that about 75% of the respective populations had used cannabis less than once per week or not at all in the year before their interviews with researchers. The study further revealed no indication that the decriminalization of marijuana in the Netherlands led to earlier use or more consumption. There was also no evidence in either city to back the common refrain that marijuana serves as a gateway drug. Other Dutch studies have shown that the percentage of people who regularly use either cannabis or other drugs is actually lower in the Netherlands than in most other EU countries. In Amsterdam alone, the Center for Drug Research found that 55% of people who admitted to having tried marijuana ended up only using it a few dozen times or less.

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Silja J.A. Talvi is a senior editor at In These Times. Her work appears in the anthology, "Prison Nation" (Routledge, 2003).

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UK cannabis reclassification
Posted by: philstovell on Sep 12, 2005 2:11 AM   
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It's worth noting that since cannabis was reclassified in the UK from a class B drug to class C - the lowest category of illegal drug - that usage amongst teens has fallen, from 13% to 11%.

Youth justice: Cannabis use drops after reclassification

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» Good start Posted by: Olympiada
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Legalization
Posted by: churchofone on Sep 12, 2005 4:41 AM   
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"The truth is that marijuana legalization would be a nightmare in America."

It could become a nightmare in America, but not because of increased usage. Rather, the nightmare would be on those authorities who try to regulate and tax it. Since it is very easy to grow, anyone with a patch of dirt in the yard and a handful of seeds could grow their own. Trying to tax that would be like trying to tax me for the tomatoes I grow every summer!

The nightmare could further extend to the loss of profits (gasp!) from Big Pharma, since legalized pot could very well replace a lot of the meds that doctors love to prescribe.

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Ignorance is Bliss
Posted by: navistic50 on Sep 12, 2005 4:42 AM   
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For a country that claims to be as educated as the U.S. - well, let's face it, ther are a whole lot of dumb and paranoid people who live here.

I'm trying to remember when it was ever reported that a bunch of pot smokers got into a barroom brawl... nope, can't recall.

Yet, alcohol, a drug/beverage worshipped here in the U.S. is o.k. Regardless of the fact that alcohol makes people aggressive and violent. I guess though it is better to have a populace that is geared in that direction, that way we are always ready to kick somebodies ass and take there "stuff". You know what I mean by stuff.. their country, politics, oil...

This has become the land of the greed and the home of the stupid.

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Clash of Worldviews
Posted by: Ptah on Sep 12, 2005 5:06 AM   
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What we are seeing in play is a clash of worldviews. Supporters of marijuana legalization generally recognize the importance in life of creative thinking, empathy, relaxation and whole bodymind healing, all of which are within the domain of marijuana usage and availability. In addition, there is the culture of pot. In it (although severely damaged by years of official repression) good vibes, sharing, aesthetic sensitivity all prevail.

Now look at the corollary: marijuana as the weed of evil, promolgated by a puritanical, literal, narrow-visioned and fiscally-self serving cabal of American power brokers. For them control and profit (their own) are the markers of reality. To attain their goals requires enforced linear thought and lack of empathy. Both are entirely absent in the marijuana culture.

In the end, I think that this is the main reason (consciously or unconsciously realized) which motivates the repression of pot and its users. For they represent a threat to the monolithic and naive concept of stability and "rightness" which fuels the madness of our government and society.

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» Creativity Posted by: Olympiada
jobs for cops, jobs for cops, jobs for cops
Posted by: schnoggi on Sep 12, 2005 5:12 AM   
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check out the movie GRASS, narrated by Woody Harrelson. every powermonger president that's come along has sought to expand his power by expanding the enemy, ie drugs. If you just keep pushing the boundaries, you can include more and more people, and demonize them, and provide fuel for screaming demagogues, angry cops, vicious judges, and privatized jails.
studies have shown that stoned people are statistically SAFER drivers than even straight people: you slow down and take it easy. In very few instances does marijuana use accompany violence, generally in people who were extremely violent to begin with. It doesn't CAUSE it; it's far more likely to turn you into an unresponsive lump. It's also way more likely to jumpstart your bullshit detectors, which is why powermongers are so damned afraid of it.

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The 'War on Drugs' is counterproductive and unwarranted
Posted by: Nescio on Sep 12, 2005 5:20 AM   
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One would think that looking at the figures it is easy to conclude the current strategy of the US government is not working. But then again the same people claim Iraq to be a huge success (yet another 'War') and intelligent design is science. As long as ideology is more important than fact this kind of insanity will continue. Much of it the result of voting habits. Please consider voting for another party (the general public) if you really believe fairy tales should no longer be the policy of your administration.

So much for politics. I have a link to an interesting documentary (50 min) by Dutch television in English, with a short introduction in Dutch, regarding the 'war on drugs.' However, a broadband internet connection is needed.


War on drugs: Part I: Winners,
and War on drugs: Part II: Losers.


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Careful on the cancer assumption
Posted by: Guither on Sep 12, 2005 6:09 AM   
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Excellent article. The one small criticism I'd note, however, is the throwaway assumption about cancer:
"Moderate to heavy smokers do, in fact, run the risk of lung cancer..."

While this has often been assumed due to the simple fact of taking in smoke, there is no evidence of a lung cancer risk. What there is evidence of is that the smoke contains known carcinogens (as does air and much of what we consume to an extent), but not that they actually cause lung cancer (other lung disorders have been shown, but not cancer).

With all the millions of marijuana smokers, the thing that has baffled many cancer researchers is: Where are the bodies? There should be plenty of cases of lung cancer tied to marijuana, but there aren't -- only the assumption.

A recent study at UCLA tried to find the link between marijuana and lung cancer, but instead discovered:
"Marijuana smoking -'even heavy longterm use'- does not cause cancer of the lung, upper airwaves, or esophagus, Donald Tashkin reported at this year's meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society."

In fact, the study showed that the odds of getting cancer were slightly less in all categories of marijuana smokers, than in the control group.

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» Most potheads smoke cigarettes too Posted by: Turdworldcountry
agitator church and state
Posted by: eileenflmng on Sep 12, 2005 6:27 AM   
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Up until the 1930's, the weed grew wild throughout our home land.

Propoganda like Reefer Madness and a need to 'blame' someone for USA citizens hard times during the Great Depression led to a demonizing of Mexican immigrants-
[ I suppose they always had the best pot?] and the beginning of the 'war on weed.'

When God created everything He pronounced everything GOOD. And that includes ALL seed bearing plants.

As long as there is a market, there will be suppliers.

Imagine if cannibas was cultivated, packaged and sold under state control and profits went directly to the public school system?

www.wearewideawake.org

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Pot raises Consciousness. Nothing to Fear but the TRUTH!
Posted by: lc on Sep 12, 2005 6:37 AM   
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I am a ‘hemp’ activist in my 60’and have smoked pot my entire adult life. Pot’s greatest danger is to the power’s that be. Pot expands consciousness, opens parts of the brain not normally used, makes people think deeper about any subject and, horror of horrors, pot inspires people to question authority.
No one ever comes out and says I use cocaine or heroine and it should be legal. No one advocates for any drug except the herb, cannabis. It takes real balls to use a drug and then to tell the government they are wrong about anything. Only pot inspires such reactions. Truth is the government’s greatest fear and pot is the only drug that inspires rebellion in the name of truth. That is why the government directs over 90% of its anti-drug message against the least harmful drug of all, least harmful to the user but most harmful to the deceiver’s ulterior motives, the true agenda the government hides from its citizens.
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question it
Posted by: karyse on Sep 12, 2005 7:01 AM   
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: They are trying to eliminate pot as the drug of choice because they NEED a violent underclass to justify turning the police into a paramilitary organization and effecting a declaration of martial law.

Since no one gets violent on reefer, those who have it share it whenever it is widely and cheaply available, and a ghetto full of potheads wouldn't frighten anyone, it must be eliminated.

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Effects of Drugs
Posted by: BAKslider on Sep 12, 2005 7:16 AM   
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Just another quick note. The drugs classified as the most dangerous are the drugs that cause you to "ponder things." That is the last thing the government wants you to do. On the other hand the legal drugs numb the brain to a point where "pondering" is not possible. The government HATES drugs that cause thinking outside the box.

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Pot on the brain
Posted by: sharp on Sep 12, 2005 7:42 AM   
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When they come to teach you about drugs in school here in Canada, they don't try to bullshit you. Pot isn't physically addictive. They know it. We know it. The best you could come up with is that it could be 'habit forming', ie. A psychological dependence. By that line of reasoning, you could develop the same dependence to food, or gambling.

Here in Canada we are making moves to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana (up 28 grams, that's an oz. for you yanks). In the Province of British Columbia, police typically are not targeting users of marijuana. The problem arising here is large scale growing operations in urban areas, usually put in place by Asian gangs. In rural areas there are plenty of small-tme "mom and pop" growers who are normal, non-violent Canadians. The Asian gangs in urban areas, (who do operate in rural areas as well) are simply in it for profit. These people would not think twice about shooting you. By decriminalizing amounts of up to 1 oz. we are taking a step in the right direction. The more people are allowed to grow themselves, without fear of arrest, the less incentive there will be for criminal gangs to be involved in the supply chain.

Here we are easing away from pot busts and focusing more on 'real drugs' that actually hurt people. We don't waste time and money putting people in jail for years for growing pot. The U.S. spends all this money battling the 'evils' of pot and you've got a scourge of crystal meth eating it's way through your heartland. Time to get priorities straignt.

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Read: The American Disease by David Musto (Yale University Press 1973)
Posted by: AdamSelene11726 on Sep 12, 2005 8:14 AM   
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I so tired of 'our side' offering its own fantasy about the Drug War as an alternative to 'their side's' fantasy.

At least read:

The American Disease by David Musto (Yale University Press 1973)

And consider this:

As of 1973, there was a general feeling among disorderly young people, that secretly smoking marijhuana in dorm rooms and their parents' basements was a meaningful form of political protest and Civil Disobedience -- like having sex and listening to rock and roll.

The bizarre thing was ... President Nixon AGREED with them -- eventually deciding that every joint consumed by them was a personal attack against him.

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» That's funny Adam Posted by: Olympiada
Who profits?
Posted by: Ahimsa on Sep 12, 2005 9:25 AM   
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Call me conspiracy theory paranoid, call me whatever: I can't get out of my head the idea that (our) government and others profit from the war on drugs. In other words, that there is a connection between the cartels and authorities in high political levels that get their share from the traffic, which in turn depends on ilegality.
If I grew it in a pot in my balcony, who would profit?
Am I crazy for thinking like this? Has THC fried too many of my neurons ?

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Recent Propaganda
Posted by: cstriker on Sep 12, 2005 9:33 AM   
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I saw an ad in the last year saying you should talk to your kids about drugs. This ad went on to say that pot smoking reduced your motivation and created an apathetic state of mind. Isn't this in direct contradiction to the statement "marijuana was an addictive and dangerous drug linked to violent behavior on the part of users."?

Last time I checked, pot smokers are a little too listless to get violent. I would have to say pot would do more to promote peace then being a republican does.

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this is naive
Posted by: mwildfire on Sep 12, 2005 9:47 AM   
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The War on Drugs is really a war on marijuana, and it has not failed at all--it has been quite successful in achieving its true aims, although not its announced ones.
I have an ex-brother-in-law who's a crack freak. He says that at no time through that so-called War on Drugs did the price rise, nor did it become hard to find. Why? Because crack was not targeted, because it was already pulling all it could bring. This guy stole cars from his best friends--once he'd done that a time or two there was no way he could get more money for this truly dangerous and addictive drug.
Marijuana is different. The problem is that it's easy to grow in any state in the country. If it were legalized, its value per pound would be about that of celery. But with the War on Pot, its price went up at least twenty-fold as domestic growers, who had developed strains that were better than the imported stuff, were busted. Most potsmokers have jobs--they were capable of paying a good deal more for their supply, but for that it had to be kept illegal and a lot of little guys had to be run out of business--so the top dealers, who are connected with the DEA, could make a lot more money from their networks in Colombia.
Sure, there are plenty of dupes in this who think the idea is to stop drug abuse. But not at the top. The War on Drugs has been a shining success in its real aims, of raising the profits on pot, eliminating competition from domestic upstarts, and providing an excuse to jail young black males and dissidents.

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99 Days in County Jail
Posted by: bambic on Sep 12, 2005 9:49 AM   
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...for first probation revocation on possession of a marijuana pipe. To those of you who may not be up on this sort of thing, that means that back in 2001 when my house was raided by over-zealous cops looking for a meth lab, all they found was the weed pipe.
Because of extenuating circumstances, like my PTSD from being told to "get down on the floor!" at the point of a gun, my frequent hospitalizations for depression and related anxiety and chronic back pain, which led me to use marijuana in the first place, I was not able to make it to one of my visits to my probation officer, so a warrant was issued. On March 22, two County Sheriffs came to my door and I spent the next 99 days in jail, receiving only Tylenol for my myriad of physical/psychological problems. I was given a $50,000 bond---the same amount given to a major cocaine trafficker and a woman with several meth labs.
So there I sat while waiting for plea and arraignment, the hearing and the sentencing amid other inmates, most with drug charges, some with "hot" check charges, a few with murder charges: mostly battered women who could stand no more.
So now that I am "free", I am randomly piss-tested when I visit my P.O. who will accept the positive results when they find benzodiazapine residue (Xanax, for anxiety)and opioids (Hydrocodone, for back pain)
and in three years, they told me I can vote again and get my passport back because I am lucky enough to have gotten "Act 531" which means that when I am through with my probation, I can file reams of paperwork and become, once again, a citizen with voting rights.
My roots go back to the Mayflower: my eleventh great-grandfather was an "indentured servant" (white slave) who got to signthe Mayflower Compact, and I was ass't. Press Secretary to Gov. Jerry Brown during his Presidential campaign in '92. I am a fifty year old white woman who has the "honor" of being the first in her immediate family to go to jail because I chose to self-medicate with marijuana instead of highly addictive pharmaceutical drugs approved by our government.
What can I do to help the women who are still in jail, receiving very little medical attention---even those with diabetes, hypertension, seizures, etc.?
I have contacted the ACLU numerous times and they will not respond.
I am in Pulaski County (Little Rock).
Thanks for letting me post/vent.
Otherbam@aol.com

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DEA out of Canada!
Posted by: Japhy on Sep 12, 2005 10:03 AM   
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Check out what your lovely DEA has been doing in Canada lately:

http://www.smokeoutamerica.ca/
http://www.cannabisculture.com/

This is scary stuff for us up here.

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New York, New York
Posted by: dsm45dsmi on Sep 12, 2005 10:36 AM   
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A few years back, when Ontario proposed decriminalizing possession up to 21 grams (I believe up to an ounce was tossed out, but the compromise with legs was .75 oz), the former coke-head in the White House urged them to stop the discussion because it would cripple the drug war.

Interesting note though, Marijuana is decriminalized up to 25 grams in New York state, which borders Ontario. That does not mean it's legal to carry it in the Empire State, just that it's not a crime. It's a violation. A ticket and a fine. That's it. It's been this way for close to 30 years.

After passing the mandatory-minimum sentence Rockefeller Drug Laws in the early 1970s, one of the state Senate proponents of those laws, Republican Doug Barclay from Northern New York spoke out on the mistake it was to classify pot with harsher drugs. He pushed for a decriminalization of up to 21 grams, the state Assembly pushed for an ounce. The compromise, which he helped convince the Senate to accept, is the law we have today.

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» RE: New York, New York Posted by: bornxeyed
The 'War on Drugs' is a farce.
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 12, 2005 11:54 AM   
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To Quote 'Liberty Bill' Masters
This man is the Sheriff of San Miguel County, Colorado.
He was a Republican and left the party over the insanity and effects of policies coming straight from D.C. He is a member of the Libertarian Party.

"Policing and blaming Peru, Colombia or Mexico for our nation's drug problems is a little like blaming Saudi Arabia for traffic jams. This is a demand problem, not a supply problem.

We shut off the cocaine supply, then some people start cooking meth in their homes. We stop the meth and many will get high on Ecstasy, booze, the doctor's pills or whatever. Controlling the drug supply is like holding water in a fist, it just leaks out and goes on to something else.

Eventually we will realize a fist won't work against what is fundamentally a spiritual problem.

Before we suffer more innocent deaths at the hands of those sworn to protect us, before we lose touch with our local peace officers, and before more children overdose because we haven't identified or addressed the demand problem, we must rethink the drug war. We must change strategies."

http://www.libertybill.net/np.html

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Pot Just One Among Many
Posted by: BMaxwell on Sep 12, 2005 12:19 PM   
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I think we can all agree that the "War on Drugs" is misguided at best, evil at worst. I think that pot is a good drug to start with becase it has the greatest general acceptance. However, let us not forget that possession of even half a gram of a mushroom of the genus psilocybe is a felony and can be tried in federal court. Hallucinogens such as mushrooms, peyote, and DMT are in a similar category as weed. The prohibition of these types of drugs is morally wrong. People should be as free to experiment with these non-addictive substances as they are to drive cars on public roads or drink alcohol. Using weed and hallucinogens harms nobody. THere are risks involved as there are in anything and one is free to choose whether to accept those risks or not. Locking somebody up for something they choose to do to themselves is absolutely ridiculous. I will not stand for it. This modern prohibition is simply wrong.

On the subject of "harder" drugs such as heroin and crack I have not yet made up my mind. I am pretty sure that in the interest of harm prevention these too should be decriminalized at the least. Information about drugs of this sort is hard to come by for a variety of reasons, chief among them however is the government's outright hostility to rationality in this "war." We need more information and studies and a government that is willing to listen.

I always see government spokesmen going on about the dangers of drugs. Just about all of them are white men who have probably never been exposed to drugs of any sort and cannot understand anything beyond the propaganda. It is so very hard to take these people seriously until they knock down your backdoor at 1 AM so they can execute a warrant to search for your private stash.

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all of the above
Posted by: chrstof on Sep 12, 2005 12:40 PM   
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i believe very strongly there are a coupleof reasons that it it is still so illlegal.
1) someone is obviously making tons of money on the illegal trade of it. a few suspects would be the privatized prison companies, drug enforcement departments, criminal lawyers, all the companies that do business with the above, to name the most obvious.
2) it is still illegal b/c of the major players that would lose market share if it were widely available:pharmaceutical cos., chemical producing cos., paper and wood pulp industries, textile industry, liquor cos., outfits that treat alcohol abuse, tobacco producers, and many more. ( so much for the "free market" dogma they keep shoving down our throats. you know- healthy competition and all that.)
3) the gov't would lose some of the stranglehold we (the u.s.)have on other gov'ts worldwide through extorting policy and economic demands by threatening to withhold aid and deals if they stray from our demands.
4) the profits made in illegal drug trade by american citizens helps mask the poor state of our economy by allowing some economic growth among the lower economic levels where there are fewer jobs to go around each day. they don't pay taxes on it, but they pay for goods and services. want a job? if you're not seeking a career in the fast food industry,go to india! isn't the gang problem fueled by illegal drug trade?

i'd be happy to grow my own. the utility companies would be happy for all of us to do that too.
i also believe hemp won't be made legal as the huge amount of crops of weed grown here would be at risk of cross-pollination, ruining the more lucrative crop of recreational cannabis.

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"Smoke doubt!"
Posted by: neilemac on Sep 12, 2005 1:00 PM   
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The smoke doubt I had has now been cleared by a comment I read by 'cuurchofone' above. This certainly looks like the main reason, it's always about scorporate gain. (my {}'s below)

"The nightmare {legalization of 'pot'} could further extend to the loss of profits (gasp!) from Big Pharma, since legalized pot could very well replace a lot of the meds that doctors love to prescribe."

I think we need not look much further for the real cause. Knowing Corporations own the governments of most of the western world ("America's interests" is often the cited reason for American boasts of acclaimation and defense of resources)
whom readily make bogus statements against anything with which they refuse to accept or even understand or make a great deal of 'private' money. They know the Government can make a lot of bucks, but that goes against the engrained American Corporate psyché which believes all the money belongs to those priviledged in the 'private & public corporate sector.'

That's my view from here. namasté

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taxation and regulation
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 12, 2005 1:02 PM   
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Is what my father is in favor of, and I think he is right.
I have no answers for this problem, none at all. Especially in regards to minors, who drink and smoke. I think this ties back into the Rites of Passage article from Wire Tap. I suggest those of you new to the site read it.

This culture is most definitely lacking in Rites of Passage, holistic ones, and has been for quite some time, if not forever. What are the traditional European rites of passage? I do not know. Are there any?

What does this have to do with marijuana? Everything. Minors smoke it as a way to rebel. It fosters creativity. Maybe if our public education system was not so damn repressive we would not have such a problem with illegal drug use.

I am mad. And when I am mad it is hard for me to think clearly. Things are so unjust in this world, so unjust...

I am so sick of the imbalance of power, so sick...

I hope all these educated intellectuals can bring about social change, I really really really do.

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Nail on the head
Posted by: raweese1 on Sep 12, 2005 2:56 PM   
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I believe that you have "hit the nail on the head". I myself, not a conspiracy theorist, have felt all along that the TRUE reason for the illegalization of pot was because too many mega-wealty elitist make way too much money to allow us to grow in our backyards.

By the way I am an honorable discharged US Army Veteran, lifelong smoker (of pot and cigarettes/even while serving), patriot, constutionalist, and LIBERAL. Why can Rush Limbaugh use redneck herion and not get jail time, but the poor of our country get thrown in jail for attempting to take themselves away from all the problems in their lives which are usually caused by the mega-elitiest I refered to above?

Proud to be a Patriot and PROUD not to be a NEO-'CON'man.

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War on a noun?
Posted by: churchofone on Sep 12, 2005 4:24 PM   
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I wish I could remember the comedian who questioned how one could fight a war on a noun: War on Drugs, War on Terror, War on Poverty, etc. It was pretty damn funny.

Of course, we've lost (or are losing) those "wars".

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so sad...
Posted by: bebe on Sep 12, 2005 9:14 PM   
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the government is defenitly not stupid. Unfortunetely they know exactly what they are doing. Ofcourse there goal in the end is not to stop the use of pot or any other drugs, only to make sure that it continues. Don't get me wrong, im sure there are people in very high places that make the final decesions and the rest of the peons do as they are told. The main resaons as stated above are like with any other business, the ones with power and money want it to stay like that. If marjiauna was legalized, the goverment would lose its power over it, and thier good friends at the pharmesudicals would lose money. I have a good friend that has been been in and out of hospitals for the last 2 years. nobody knows whats wrong with him. He smokes pot to conteract the effects of the 15 other pills he takes every day. He smokes after getting his blood cleaned ( i forget the name of the process ) so he doesn't puke all day long. Unfortunely the US govement cares more about power and money that any of its people. Just look at the sick number of people in government that have previously been heads at huge companies, both the president and vice president are guilty of this.

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why
Posted by: thinking on Sep 12, 2005 11:08 PM   
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why do people of the earth get to do what they want?
frankly i think the idea of unleashing marijuana on the current underdevelped tactic called america would be more develish than ever before.
i hear idiots smoking grass all the time and the drying out and current effect due to the fact this one or that one is already stammered towards some prehistorical datapoint -- what can you do? these paranoia markers will spill like hot sand into the air of our sound minds. oh i get it then go see some failure shrink and claim you hear voices so that you can spend the rest of your life in a f-n insane assylum counting whistles on planet jethro tull. nope nope. get real. earthlings contact the heaven spheres like the pig dogs we are being rightly called because we have no study no respect where we go. we want to f-n slice a tax on some pot night while the f-n world is eating crusts of shriveled dog poop for a living and i get it that tax money is suddenly going to repopulate the world good and well? nope, oh sure some high alternate conscience combo would be a nice transition so that some new children can see the you in you and the me in me from nation to nation. yeah i could see that. but given the fact that we don't even know how to truly castigate our neighbor for being an ass how are we going to launch into a nice tirade while our stoned neighbor just does too much and then ker-spits i pay my goddamned taxes.

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response
Posted by: thinking on Sep 13, 2005 8:07 PM   
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i ask myself to the core why do i answer these. of course these three letters show me little.
just the usual bait and huh nunie nunie. truth be told. drugs are the means and in older times, the means of conscience and anthro-expressive tactic were a close felt ritual. rituals that had exact shamans, exact participants etc. just blasting into a pot night would be ludicrous.
and yes society can regulate the behavior of means, just the same as society can say no guns, or no drinking beneath the age of so and so. having been through the use of two or of drugs i know from experience that there is no recreative drug per se. uh uh. drugs were directly markers or particles of faith acts. that is why i am so incredibly concerned about a propagation system that would further contribute to the idea of capitalism and the mass marketing of marijuana. make more sense now?

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Re: Why
Posted by: bambic on Sep 14, 2005 8:28 AM   
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Don't look now, but there are whackos among us...

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Warning: Made Up Claim
Posted by: lamar on Sep 15, 2005 12:13 PM   
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I'm glad that you know that millions of people are all living under their potential. I'm assuming that you are currently on pot because your assertion is absurd. However, I doubt that a person on pot would say something so ignorant!! Not even pot makes people that dumb... Well, maybe it does!!

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Repeal repeal reapeal repeal
Posted by: kleer001 on Sep 15, 2005 9:16 PM   
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That's the only word that will solve anything, REPEAL!!!
Repeal all of the unjust drug laws based on fear and misinformation. Repeal the insane "Patriot Act", Repeal it all!
And one more time, for anyone not paying attention,
REPEAL
REPEAL
REPEAL

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» RE: epeal repeal reapeal repeal Posted by: poonoggin
The indoctrination is based on greed
Posted by: popsicle67 on Sep 17, 2005 1:10 AM   
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I figured out a long time ago why the government hates weed so much and you have to look no further than fat administration pockets to find the answers yourself. First of all, the government makes a lot of money manufacturing and selling hard drugs all over the world. I know, another conspiracy freak right. Well anyway they make even more supposedly interdicting those same drugs at our borders. It is the perfect scam used since the king hired thieves to attack his subjects so he could justify higher taxes to combat the thieves. Now the monkey wrench is weed, anyone can grow it,
it's easy to get ahold of ,and it has none of the fear value that the hard stuff has. I was told in school that pot was dangerous and controlled while alchohol was not because man
had been using alchohol for thousands of years while pot was fairly recent. I of course pointed out that pot had been growing wild for perhaps hundreds of thousands of years at least and it struck me as funny thinking that nobody tried it until the late 1800's,while a fairly complicated and time consuming beverage was perfected and enjoyed by the early Egyptians. I was told to believe what I was told and shut up.
So I would like to know if weed is the problem or is the government the problem

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Looking to the Future of Herbal Medication
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 17, 2005 5:54 PM   
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So much hate in this room! I live in Seattle, probably one of the most pot-friendly cities in the nation. The notion that people are smoking only to "get high" is what does so much damage to its cause. We have a lot of organic grocery stores and restaraunts around here, probably a LOT fewer fast-food retailers than most other areas I've been to. We are consistently ranked one of the fittest cities in America. I know many folks who just don't want to depend on harsh meds as a first line of defense. If your cramps will go away with one puff of an herbal medicine, then I say that is a better FIRST line of defense. (yes herb is a LEGAL medicine out here in Washington) I definately know some who smoke more than others, but most folks by and large just prefer to smoke as needed. Those who can afford it use the Volcano brand vaporizer, which eliminates 99.9% of tar and toxins from the herb. I am a third year genetics student at UW, and I could never in a sound mind offer a patient a chemical if I think their symptoms could be alleviated with herbs, diet and nutrition. Medicinal herbs can't cure everything, but they are a MUCH better first line of defense.

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Is Green Aid Alive and Well? Ed Rosenthal?
Posted by: roberteggleton on Sep 18, 2005 3:52 AM   
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The following email bounced back. Is this organization having technical problems or being repressed?

Ed, I wish you the best on appeal. My novel needs a blurb. Medicinal use is advocated, but it's not a theme. Instead, some proceeds will go to prevent child abuse.

"Rarity from the Hollow" has received 7 blurbs. The first is on the publisher's site.

"RARITY FROM THE HOLLOW is one of those strange and exciting bits of literature that captures you with its uniqueness and then lingers on your mind, reasserting itself from time to time to remind you that your reality may not be everyone else's. A rich and original work, full of aspects and images.... Not for everyone, but for those ready to embrace the offbeat, a welcome surprise."
William F. DeVault, author, LOVE GODS OF A FORGOTTEN RELIGION

"An unlikely pair, the strange Lacy Dawn and her sent-to-Earth android DotCom take the reader on a wildly improbable and sometimes disturbing romp from rural Appalachia to an alien shopping mall as Lacy attempts to save the world, heal her parents, and fall in love." Mary Rosenblum, author, THE STONE GARDEN

"Robert Eggleton is a gifted storyteller of boundless imagination and masterful skill. *Rarity from the Hollow* is a dark, humorous and suspenseful science-fantasy story that showcases Eggleton's expert characterization, description and dialogue. His frank and honest portrayal of poverty in rural Appalachia is reminiscent of Stephen King's use of "everyday horrors" to create a convincing sense of dread. Eggleton counters the story's dark mood with touches of warmth and humor, à la Ray Bradbury...."
J. D. Nelson
http://www.MadVerse.com

"The book reached straight for my heart-strings and played them masterfully. The book is well-written, so much so that its emotions beat stronger than in most any other book I've read."
Brent P. Newhall
http://brent.other-space.com/

"...the subject matter is dark and strong, unflinching in its portrayal of human darkness, and not for the faint-hearted or easily offended...employing complex style and structure.... The mixture of sci-fi, gritty reality, humour, and the mode of thriller reminds me a great deal of Dean Koontz's writing, and Robert Eggleton may indeed have the potential to follow in Dean Koontz's footsteps."
Kevin Patrick Mahoney
Authortrek

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A case for smoking weed
Posted by: poonoggin on Sep 18, 2005 7:48 PM   
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Yeah! Like weed, man, it's not too bad for you, uh, like look what it did for Clinton, he didn't inhale and he became President. Imagine if he, uh, would, did, uh, you know, inhaled. Imagine if he did, man. He would have been able to make, like, a, uh, more than President. He could have been like Pope or something. Or Ambassador too. Yeah man. Burnin.

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» RE: A case for smoking weed Posted by: h.s.t.Gonzo!
MJ
Posted by: h.s.t.Gonzo! on Sep 21, 2005 5:00 PM   
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We are back here again; talking about the controversy of marijuana. Won't they ever learn? Won't these suits and fat-cats ever learn that this culture, this whole line of MJ lovers are here to change the world and to stay.

Sure, some call me naive. "You wont change the world." Maybe not everybody, because i know many pot-smokers who are just mellow, cool guys, but that's as far as they go: mellow and cool; they don't look to change anything in society, they are just happy knowing that they dont know enough to worry. Well fuck that, i know enough to worry, and i know many more people that know enough to worry. As someone said already in one of these comments that i read, it is so uncommon to find someone fighting while under the influence of MJ...impossible -- not impossible, but very, very improbable. We are just relaxed, we are content, we are at one with the world, and our enlightenment -- if we seek for any, rather than just dive into a hazy drug world for no cause at all but to get high -- will prevail.

Time and time again i have argued that if done correctly, and knowing what you're getting into...knowing how much to take, knowing the risks, but also the benefits, and doing it intelligently, drugs can have such a beautiful and positive effect on a person. Open your eyes, tell these hypocrits and fat-cats that try to keep us blind and "secure" in exchange of our freedom; these suits that don't want us to fight back, that want to spend all the money they can to keep this illegal in order to keep us blind and ignorant of what is relly going on: they are exploiting us...they are using our money and creating a world -- not creating, increasing the material goods in this aleady commercial world, while all the other third world countries don't have the luxury of saying "ahhh shit....i dont have enough to buy that watch", instead they say, "dear lord, will i survive tonight?" But our materials are much more important, so let's let these criminals, these inhumane swine, these bastards give us their "security" and let's all hush.

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Conspiracy theories about weed
Posted by: grokked on Sep 22, 2005 4:49 AM   
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While the idea that weed is criminalized because special interests (LEOs, pharma corps, drug testers, private prison industry, and corps that would suffer from hemp competition) want it that way does have some merit, I don't think it is really the major factor.

Weed is illegal for basically the same reason we have this right-wing moron in the white house and a congress full of fundamentalist lunatics.

Politically, weed smokers seem to come in two flavors- (1) progressives and others on the far left, and (2) people who are either apolitical (i.e. don't vote) or don't vote based on their weed usage.

Arrayed against them are millions and millions and millions of clueless magoos (both republican and democrat) whose idea of right and wrong is limited to the drivel they get from Sunday Morning Mass.

I think the reason that the govt is so afraid of weed is that they are aware that the kids coming up simply know better (from experience) than to buy all the govt propoganda horseshit their parents and grandparents are buying into. So, basically, a whole lot of people my age have to die off (myself excluded, of course!) before some sanity will be restored.

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smoke
Posted by: tarastewart on Sep 23, 2005 12:49 PM   
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The war on marijuana is so ridiculous. To try and restrict it due to health issues is hypocritical; both alcohol and cigarrettes have many more health risks than a joint. Seriously, if you think about it, pot is probably much safer than McDonalds.
As for weed making you violent, thats absurd. My most happy and peaceful times are felt while stoned. The problem is that (be prepared for this) when I'm stoned I actually think.
Thinking is something American's should never do!

Now everyone go have a joint.

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mitochondria in the bowels of gaia
Posted by: caru on Oct 3, 2005 11:09 AM   
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we (homo sapiens) are so vain. we approach every thing as if we are the end all to be all. hey dudes, we are evolving and the whole system is evolving. i agree with the bioneers - it is all intelligent.

that includes every seed bearing plant, every drop of water, every tree, every animal, every insect, every spirit - we are sooo intelligent as one sophisticated being.

the war on this and that is all human created mularky. the shamans and yogis see that the ultimate in life is to raise consciousness and be one with creation. part of this understanding can be gained through the beautiful creation of life on the planet. this includes cannabis and so many other herbal and plant medicinals. shiva, a great god in the hindi pantheon praised cannabis.

listen to your nervous system. your nervous system knows. your nervous system is intelligent. we have optimum brain activity between 25 and 50. during this time, i believe we all have the right to experiment with our minds, to experiment with the planet, to enjoy what she offers.

for those under 25? the only valid test for prenatal exposure to cannabis was done in jamiaca and the findings reveal that the children are smarter. the mothers, called roots women, were the known herbalists and often the most educated. also, wyrd from a very experienced midwife who has been involved with many roots women in california said she has never seen any difference between cannabis babies and noncannabis babies.

mostly tho i am for accountability and research. psych. gaia has already accounted for and done the research . . . we are all part of this fabulous system. and who really knows, perhaps cannabis is the most advanced life form on earth. just a cursory assessment of imperial us power proves humans aint it.

no to wars of all kind.

yes to the highest in our evolutionary potential and interaction with all beautiful and intelligent life forms.

spaceship gaia
2012


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"Rarity from the Hollow" Grower's Guide
Posted by: roberteggleton on Jun 23, 2006 3:28 PM   
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This novel is now for sale by Fatcat Press. It's received several blurbs, including one by Piers Anthony. Sample text, a promo, and a few of the blurbs are available at www.fatcatpress.com. The fictional characters set in Appalachia argue about micronutrients and the economic base of the hollow.

Thank you,

Robert Eggleton

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