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In Kids We Trust

By Kim Ridley, Ode. Posted August 25, 2005.


A new movement is increasingly grabbing attention: democratic schools. What happens when children get a say in their own education?

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While his peers at other schools were memorizing their multiplication tables, Ken Pruitt was lying on his back watching clouds, building tree forts with friends, or poking around in the woods. Pruitt was no juvenile delinquent. He was a student at the Sudbury Valley School near Boston, where children get to decide for themselves how they want to spend each day.

Come again? What does cloud watching or fort building have to do with learning? Everything, according to Sudbury Valley's founders. "Children don't know what they want to learn, they know what they want to do," says Mimsy Sadofsky, one of several original founders who still work at the school. What children typically want to do is play -- which cognitive scientists say is one of the main ways human beings learn.

 "Learning teaches us what is known, play makes it possible for new things to be learned," says David Elkind, Professor of Child Development at Tufts University, and most recently author of The Hurried Child, All Grown Up and No Place to Go, and Miseducation. "There are many concepts and skills that can only be learned through play."

Pruitt, who attended Sudbury Valley from ages six to seventeen, enjoyed a "Huck Finn childhood". "I spent hours by myself climbing trees, walking on the trails, sitting and observing," he says. He especially liked to perch on a tree leaning low over a swamp and peer into the tea-colored water, watching fish and insects, frogs and turtles go about their daily lives.

He recalls sitting perfectly still on a stone wall in the woods to watch for wildlife. A deer came so close he could almost touch it, and then a raccoon. Something stirred in him that never would have happened had he been sitting behind a desk. "Human beings, especially children before they're programmed by society, are open to seeing other living things in the world as equals instead of having the sense that we're their masters. That's what set me on the course to want to preserve wild nature. By the time I was fifteen, it was clear to me that I'd follow a career in wilderness protection." Today, at age thirty-five, Pruitt is Executive Director of the Massachusetts Association of Conservation Commissions. In a state that loses forty acres a day to sprawl, his organization helps people in more than three hundred communities protect the kinds of wetlands he loved as a child.

A new survey of alumni from the Sudbury Valley School shows that such idyllic school experiences has not harmed or hampered them as adults. Eighty-two percent of graduates interviewed pursued further study such as college or trade school after Sudbury Valley. The others said they were ready to enter the fields they planned to pursue as adults. Alumni have become ballet dancers and farmers, physicians and circus performers, carpenters, teachers, lawyers, farmers, entrepreneurs, musicians, clerks, you name it.

But the most important measures of success seldom have much to do with college admissions or job titles. And that's where Sudbury Valley graduates like Pruitt tend to excel. Eighty-six percent of those surveyed said their lives reflect their values. That's what the founders had in mind when they started the school in 1968. Sadofsky and another founder, Daniel Greenberg, along with Jason Lempka, have just published a new book, The Pursuit of Happiness: The Lives of Sudbury Valley Alumni. Of the past thirty-seven years they write, "We believe that the school provides an environment that trains each individual to think for themself, and to lead an examined life that is fulfilling, meaningful, and fun."

Sudbury Valley is the oldest existing democratic school in the U.S. and the most widely imitated. It has no tests or grades and is run by a "school meeting" patterned after New England town meetings in which all participants have an equal vote on important matters. At a time when debates rage about education standards and testing, these schools offer an intriguing and controversial alternative: putting children in charge of their own education.

Although each of the more than 160 democratic schools around the world evolved independently, they generally share the practices of allowing students to choose how to spend their days, vote on important school matters, and participate in a community of equals, regardless of age. These practices raise many eyebrows in education circles, but advocates say democratic schools can teach more traditional schools a thing or two about helping children grow into happy adults, learn to navigate a complex world -- and participate in a free society.

In mid-December, the Victorian mansion that houses the Sudbury Valley School in Framingham, Massachusetts, bustles with activity. Some students rehearse music and dance performances for an upcoming show at the school. Others make gingerbread houses, play video games, read, argue, sew, study, or just hang out. There's nothing here that even remotely resembles a classroom. Just lots of rooms filled with comfy chairs and books, plus music studios, an art room, a woodshop, performance space, a darkroom, and kitchen.

Learning flows from the daily life of the school, which includes 160 or so students and 10 staff members. Students know each staff person's areas of expertise, and ask for help when they need it. "Although kids may never be in a formal class," says Sadofsky, "the adults here are models for them."         

Classes are occasionally offered -- but only when students initiate them or ask for them. And older students often "teach" the younger ones. During his teenage years, Pruitt took a few optional classes given by staff. "The classes didn't feel like classes, they felt like entertainment, " says Pruitt, who especially enjoyed Daniel Greenberg's European history class. Instead of droning on with boring facts, Greenberg sometimes dramatized his lessons.

One strength of Sudbury Valley's approach is in some of the things these schools don't do says Alfie Kohn, one of America's leading authorities on alternative education. "The excessive control of children, the use of grades and tests and textbooks, and a factory-like curriculum are all wonderfully absent," says Kohn, author of The Schools Our Children Deserve and What Does it Mean to Be Well Educated. Kohn adds that learning at these schools "often takes place outside of what most adults think of as a structured classroom environment."

Indeed. Just ask Dayna Kimball, who was on the verge of quitting school a few years ago. "I was bored," Kimball says of her junior year at a public high school in suburban Denver, Colorado. "I didn't like the time constraints, and the assignments seemed tedious and redundant."

Luckily, her mother, Jane, discovered Alpine Valley School (AVS) in nearby Wheat Ridge. Modeled after Sudbury Valley, the Colorado school offered Dayna Kimball the freedom she craved -- no tests, grades, or constraints. So what did she do when she got there? "I went to school every day and slept on the couch," she says.

No one bothered her. No one told her to wake up or asked what she thought she was doing. "They accepted every minute of it," Kimball says. "The slang there for it is 'deschooling.'"

After about a year, though, Kimball got really bored -- and that's when she began to wake up. She started learning a little Japanese, a bit of history, and dabbled in metalsmithing. As part of her studies, she decided to try out a few jobs in the "real world," including a stint at a toy store and another as a bank teller.

Meanwhile, subtle changes were unfolding in the time Kimball spent at Alpine Valley. Her fellow students, especially the younger ones, touched something in her. "I was standoffish at first, but they opened me up because they wanted to get to know who I was," Kimball says. As she continued exploring at Alpine Valley, she tried out another job as a para-educator in a public school. And that's when Dayna Kimball discovered her passion: working with autistic children. She says she wouldn't have found it without the freedom and flexibility of Alpine Valley. "Without AVS, I would have dropped out of school," she says.

Today, Kimball works as an intervention support staff person with autistic children at Creative Perspectives, a therapeutic center outside Denver. She also is earning her bachelor's degree in speech and language pathology. "AVS has a philosophy of people first, not grades or accomplishments," says Kimball, who's now twenty-three. "I now look at my kids that way -- kids first. It's not about their disability or their ability to accomplish anything. It's about who they are."

While Sudbury Valley gives children plenty of freedom to play and develop as individuals, it also requires them to participate in the community through school meetings, in which everyone votes on all decisions made at the school. The weekly meeting, says graduate Anna Rossetti, shows that, "democracy can be painful. You've got to listen to a lot of different crap before you get to a consensus." Students and staff sometimes spend hours hashing out every single issue.

Yet Rossetti acknowledges that the experience has often come in handy. "Participating in democracy at Sudbury Valley instills in you an incredible sense of empowerment," says Rossetti, who now works at a Whole Foods Market in San Diego, California, while finishing her bachelor's degree in social sciences. "That's something I take with me all the time."

And perhaps that's one of the most important lessons from democratic schools like Sudbury Valley. "I think it's hard to learn democracy when we make children prisoners until they're nineteen years old," says Sadofsky.  

Freedom is all well and good, but even progressive educators say kids need more pushing and guidance than they typically get at schools like Sudbury Valley. These educators say children also need structure and sometimes more, rather than less, adult involvement.

"I applaud Sudbury Valley's focus on freedom, but not what I take to be an inattention to community," says Alfie Kohn. "Sudbury has a libertarian bent, and the worldview seems to see all adult involvement as an authoritarian restriction of personal autonomy. Total autonomy is not developmentally appropriate. Kids need guidance and many of them need structure at the same time that they need the opportunity to learn how to make good decisions."

One opportunity for decision-making comes in the school's judicial committee, in which all students participate on a rotating basis, along with staff. This committee makes and enforces school rules. All grievances are settled here, with students meting out the sentences. And that process can go awry, says Kohn, in an environment that practices what he calls "an extremely individualistic sensibility." Kohn says kids can misuse the well-intentioned judicial committee by threatening to "bring up" other kids who are annoying them. "It's striking, and frankly a little refreshing, that kids sit on this committee and have the power to make decisions," Kohn says. "What is equally striking to me is this ... there isn't a sense of a community solving problems together, rather there's punishment for aberrant individuals."

Academically, Kohn says progressive education should emphasize not only following children's interests, but also challenging them to consider topics and problems that may not have occurred to them.

"Leaving kids on their own tends to flatten the slope of their improvement," concurs schools reformer Ted Sizer, whose latest book, The Red Pencil, offers a powerful critique of American education. Sizer, former Dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education says educators need to "shove great questions in front of kids" that challenge them to learn.

On the far end of the educational spectrum from Sudbury Valley, there are growing legions of people, including the Bush Administration, who firmly argue that schools need standards -- and standardized testing -- to make sure all students learn at least the basics like reading and math. In the U.S., each state sets these standards based on recommendations from educators and lawmakers, along with public input. Advocates say standards are essential to allocating money to public schools and the students who need the most help. According to this argument, education standards enable equity.

Ross Wiener, Policy Director of The Education Trust in Washington D.C. sees a general public consensus around certain core skills children need to know in order to become successful adults and find secure jobs that pay a living wage. But he adds that setting standards to ensure that kids learn the basics is about more than just getting a job. "To participate in a democracy, you certainly need advanced reading skills, critical thinking, logic, and reason."

But Sudbury Valley graduates like Christian Cederlund would argue that these are the kinds of skills he acquired, plus many more -- without suffering through rigid standards, testing, or cookie-cutter curricula. Cederlund says one of the most important lessons from his years at Sudbury Valley was not covered in any textbook: adapting to change.

An athletic kid interested in science, Cederlund started Sudbury Valley in 1969 when he was six years old and graduated when he was seventeen. When he was a teenager, a staff person showed him pictures of Mikhail Baryshnikov and encouraged him to try ballet.

Cederlund went on to dance professionally with the Pacific Northwest Ballet in Seattle. But eventually his knees started giving out and he found himself a college freshman at age twenty-seven. He completed a degree, and went on to teach dance and neuroanatomy at the University of Washington. When he burned out on teaching, Cederlund took time off to play golf and discovered his next career -- running a golf touring business in Seattle.

At forty-one, Cederlund now has a family to support, which is prompting another career change. He hopes to blend his love of helping people and his fascination with anatomy and science into creating a new job, perhaps selling medical equipment or becoming an MRI technician. He credits his creative ability to shift from one career to another as a continuation of the life-long learning adventure he started at Sudbury Valley. "I still feel like I'm playing in my life," he says.   

Over the past few decades, Sudbury Valley has directly inspired the creation of thirty-nine similar but independent schools in the U.S., Canada, Europe, Israel, and Australia. Students come from many backgrounds -- rich, poor, liberal, conservative, black, white, you name it. Each school offers students an alternative that can help them discover paths they might not have otherwise found.

Among those students are Adu and Ben Sheppard, whose father, Derek, co-founded the Booroobin Sudbury Democratic Centre for Learning in the Australian state of Queensland in 1996. Both brothers say traditional schools didn't serve their learning or interests -- which have turned out to be quite divergent. But at Booroobin, located in the lush, rolling hills north of Brisbane, both brothers found freedom to discover and pursue their passions. While Ben set about rebuilding Land Rovers, raising chickens, and growing organic vegetables and flowers in the rich, volcanic soils surrounding the school, Adu spent much of his time indoors, happily playing computer games and learning simple computer graphics programs.

Since then, Ben has rebuilt two Land Rovers "from scratch," and he's starting on a third (a 1951 model). At age 18, he is also cultivating a reputation as an outstanding gardener. Adu taught himself computer animation and graphics programs and won a government scholarship to attend a games development course to study animation and graphics.

Today, Adu, who's 20, designs web site templates and computer animation graphics for businesses. He's also working on an independent computer game that he and his collaborators hope to publish worldwide. "My aim is to never end up in a repetitious, boring, and mindless day job, and I seem to be doing pretty well so far," he says. "Booroobin taught me that individuality and free-thinking aren't impediments. I've stuck to who I am and what I want to be in life, and I'm loving it!" One wonders, is there any better measure of a good education?

The Queensland government apparently thinks so. In 2003, the Queensland Minister for Education revoked Booroobin's accreditation because it did not meet state requirements. But Booroobin, which now calls itself a centre for learning, is still accepting students, and Derek Sheppard and others are determined to see it through, in spite of the challenges.

How can parents determine whether or not their children will thrive at schools like Sudbury Valley? "What makes a child a good fit is a desire to be in control of his or her time, and parents who can trust their child to behave with intelligence," Sadofsky says. "What makes some children a poor fit is an unwillingness, or inability, to control their behavior."

These schools don't work for children who need a lot of structure, or lack parental support. Beyond these basic issues, sometimes the school simply isn't a fit for a particular child. Both Rossetti and Cederlund have siblings who started at Sudbury Valley and later left.

Paying more than $5,000 a year to send a child to school to climb trees, nap, or wander in the woods demands a big leap of faith from parents. They can feel isolated, even ostracized. Ken Pruitt recalls family friends worrying that his parents were committing child abuse by sending him to a school with such an unstructured environment.

Mimsy Sadofsky acknowledges the challenges faced by Sudbury parents. "People are very worried that there will be some big gaps in their children's lives, which is the opposite of what happens here," she says. "It's a really hard thing when everybody in society is telling you that you have to measure your children all the time to say, 'I don't want to do that. I just want my kids to be free and have fun and grow up in their own way to be responsible.'"

Dayna Kimball's mother, Jane, is glad she took the chance. "Dayna had struggled for several years. I knew that she was wanting freedom more than anything and that she would resist anything less," Jane says. "I sensed that I had to let life be her teacher. Paying tuition for a place that required her to show up was much better than having her drop out of school. I am extremely grateful to AVS for Dayna's successes. I believe that the philosophy of these schools is in alignment with the way nature operates."   Even with their problems, Sudbury and schools like it are slowly catching on, and every year staff and students gather at the International Democratic Education Conference, which was held in India last December. Jerry Mintz, Director of the Alternative Education Resource Organization, says each democratic school offers something valuable. He explains, "There is a spectrum of approaches within the idea of non-compulsory classes: some schools set a timetable, such as Summerhill School in England." Some, he notes offer classes every day, others only when students ask for them, as is the case at Sudbury Valley. "The bottom line is that these schools respect students' rights and the right to take control of their own education."

Ken Pruitt is now a father himself. He wants his two young children to have the same freedom he enjoyed as a boy. His daughter, Emma, starts school next year. The Pruitts would love to send her to Sudbury Valley, but it's a long drive. At a minimum, he says, the couple will keep a careful eye their children's education -- but not in the traditional sense "If we have them go through a traditional school system," Pruitt says, " we will observe whether or not their natural spark, curiosity, and desire to learn are being driven out of them. If that did start to happen, we'd take drastic measures and get them out.."

Human beings are born to learn. Democratic schools, which like every school have their flaws, raise provocative questions about the best way to allow our children to find their authentic paths, a sense of personal responsibility, and contribute to a free and thriving world.

The solutions might be simpler than we think: long afternoons of cloud watching. Days upon days to play with friends, dance or nap, read a book or muck around in a swamp. In a world where many kids' lives are overscheduled, micro-managed, and endlessly tested, perhaps more freedom is exactly what they need.  

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Kim Ridley is co-editor of "Signs of Hope: In Praise of Ordinary Heroes." She writes about people creating positive social change for Ode Magazine.

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Posted by: Scott Griffith on Aug 25, 2005 4:08 AM   
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Sorry to puncture any well-meaning balloons but it has to be said: this article, with all its journalistic stereotypes flying, (one-room schoolhouses - why 'toxic'? - and so on) represents a most pernicious thread in published 'educational' thinking, the thread which says that parents and children and journalists know better than teachers; let's have another innovation.

The obvious if inconvenient fact is that children are in no position to know what they should be taught. They don't even know what they want, although they may protest loudly and childishly to the contrary. Sensible parents know this and consult trusted teachers when making decisions about their children's schooling. Journalists, well, they're just doing their job these days, making money for their bosses.

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Fun is important too!
Posted by: yasmin on Aug 25, 2005 7:23 AM   
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Although children most of the time don't know what is best for them, especially when it comes to what they should be taught, i think this article makes a very imporatant point: that children's lives are super-hectic and stressful with standardized tests and all the standards put on them. Maybe there is something in the middle between these democratic, free spirited schools and regular public schools. I think the point is well taken- children need to have freedom to grow and they need to have childhoods. Fun is just as important as learning.

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» kids don't know what they need Posted by: Olympiada
All Grown Up and No Place to Go
Posted by: Olympiada on Aug 25, 2005 10:07 AM   
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Kim,
Thank you for this deep, rich and timely article. Public education is very much on my mind today. It is my daughter's first day of kindergarten, and I am reminded of the hell I went through.

You raise so many good points in this article, it is hard to comment on them all. One thing I wanted to comment on was the issue of structure. I for my part was identified as a mentally gifted minor at the end of kindergarten and subsequently accelerated. I think this wreaked havoc on not only my mind but my education. It wasn't until I got to junior college that I learned from a scholarship counselor that people on both ends of the learning spectrum, both learning disabled and highly gifted, need structure! I find this is true in my life. I get upset if people act in unpredictable ways. Schedules are very important. So in this aspect I am not sure if the Sudbury Valley school would be such a thing.

The next thing I wanted to comment on was about the mother paying for her child's education. That is very important. Children need to have their emotional needs supported. If they are not, there is no way they are going to succeed in school.

I see that you said that many if not most of these students went on to have successful careers. I wonder about that in the areas of atheletics, or art, or music. These disciplines require hours of monotous practice to achieve excellency. I my self dropped out of all the above because of a lack of not only patience, but emotional support.

I think the Sudbury Schools offer an interesting alternative, but I also think my points need to be addressed as well.

Olympiada

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EDUCATORS
Posted by: froggeymonkey on Aug 25, 2005 1:37 PM   
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If I hear one more time that just because one is a "professional educator" that they know better that I what is "right" for my child, I am going to scream! I have cared for this child 24/7/365, I know his needs, his learning style, and his personality. But some educator thinks he knows better, having been around my child maybe 10 minutes!

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what kids need
Posted by: flatulence10 on Aug 27, 2005 4:22 AM   
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Children have been dumbes down enough in public schools. they need a steady curriculum to help them learn. They also need corporal punishment from time to time. They need discipline, and they need love, and quality teachers to teach them.

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Posted by: girlygirl on Aug 27, 2005 12:15 PM   
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The word "education" comes from the latin "educare" which means "to draw out". Might it not be a novel idea to draw out the desire for learning that is within us rather than shove in what is precribed as supposedly necessary? The stress that we are inflicting upon the education system (parents, children and teachers) is enormous. Brain development does not support our current theory that teaching academics younger and younger is better. The very things that help develop new connections in the brain (music, movement, art) are being taken away in favor of more time to teach to the test. Sudbury has obviously been successful having been in operation for 35 years. Why not be open to another way that children might learn? As to corporal punishment, the belief is that power and fear are good motivaters and sends the message that fear is more powerful than love - something we all know is ultimately false.

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This is the way it's supposed to be...
Posted by: StreetPhotog on Aug 27, 2005 12:18 PM   
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Studying photography at an art school, I know how big of a joke the education system is in this country is. You don't need a degree or a diploma to prove you can do anything... but the traditionalist American won't accept change and it will stay that way until we wake up.

It's just like the question your high school guidance councilor asked you. "If money wasn't an issue, and you can do whatever you want for the rest of your life, what would you do?" This is supposed to be what you should do for a living, because you're naturally interested in it. I just want to play my bagpipes and take photos, and I didn't need the first 12 years of my education to figure this out!

Standards are the best way to bring everyone up to standard. Whether that standard makes everyone equally intelligent or equally retarded is another question...

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thoughts from a teacher
Posted by: bstich on Aug 27, 2005 7:30 PM   
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I have been an elementary school teacher for the past 14 years. Since the No Child Left Behind law went into effect, schools are becoming more and more like factories, in the name of standardization. Kids are expected to learn rote material and test taking strategies in the name of learning. Play (which is a child's work) is all but absent from school. Kindergarteners are considered a failure if they do not learn to read.

I believe that we should be doing things with kids and not to them. If we want kids to be life-long learners they need to have a voice in their own education. And standardized tests are the WORST way to measure learning.

Alfie Kohn is one of my inspirations (his book Punished by Rewards is a life-changing read) and I appreciated his comments in this article. I thought this article raised interesting ideas on what education is, and what it could be. I would love to visit one of those schools.

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What about parents?
Posted by: 404080 on Aug 28, 2005 8:36 AM   
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I would agree that kids need a lot of 'unstructure', like play time, contact with their natural environment, time to let their curiosity prosper. They also need socialization to learn how to interact and cooperate properly in society. They also need a community support base, the old 'it takes a village to raise a chid'.

So where are parents? Why should it be necessary to structure all of these things into some revolutionary new educational style when this community is ready-made at home. Just give kids some free time to go into the woods, back yard or whatever and catch bugs, build forts etc. Forcing kids into competitive sports like hockey and soccer which typically turn into power dramas between parents is not the answer.

Go for a walk in the woods with them and let them ask any question that comes to mind. Encourage them to read on their own. Let them be kids! When kids get the community support they need starting at home, then their sense of justice, values and critical thinking skills will bud and grow healthily and they will have a good base for learning . Then we can start talking about reforming public education, and kids will be better equipped to contribute too.

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Many missed the point of this article
Posted by: cmysticism on Aug 28, 2005 3:31 PM   
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This article on Alternet may be the first, capsule step of mainstream liberals beginning to embrace the platform of youth liberation, just as they began to do in the '70's until the conservative takeover beginning with the Reagan years beat us back into the Stone Age of social enlightenment and waylaid the progressivism of the early to mid '70's. It's a profound shame that so many liberals spout the stereotypical "children don't know what's best for them" and numerous euphemisms to justify adult power and control over their kids' lives, treating them like property, and no matter how rude they are about it, they have numerous defenders.
This is a touchy subject, especially with parents, but it needed to be broached on Alternet, and the (re) thinking among liberals needed to start somewhere, and I'm glad it was here, as liberals grow increasingly braver and more resolute. I look forward to the day where liberals support ASFAR and NYRA with the same fervor they (rightfully) support the NAACP and gay rights organizations. Of course, there will be growing pains, and it takes time for people to change their thinking...and this great article may be a first step in reviving this civil question among liberals. Kudos.

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Another way for teachers to do less
Posted by: InvisiblePimpernil on Aug 28, 2005 3:42 PM   
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The NEA owns the democratic party and this looks like another way for teachers to do even less. Mental excellence is worth fighting for, but that's one war the liberals won't address. How many people get killed in our society just by being ill trained or socially unskilled? Just keep giving the kids Ritalin and tell them they know best, when in fact, most know nothing at all. What a plan.

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barrys new conversations
Posted by: barrys new conversations on Aug 28, 2005 5:00 PM   
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We are known by our differences. Any school system or for that matter any government that does not model itself on that fact will fail to the degree that it doesn't. The low-cost and most effective school systems are local. The immediate family is the most local followed by the community. Federal shemes on education are based on the misconception that everyone is equal- a non-starter.
Sudbury School should be copied.

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You Just Don't Get It
Posted by: tds12 on Aug 28, 2005 6:15 PM   
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As a professor of education I found the article fun but nothing new. However, the threads reveal why we need democratic schools. Most assumptions about structure and children typically are false. As stated in the article, the grads of these schools typically end up in "liberal" type occupations and are civically engaged. This is why NCLB and the standards movement threaten American society. Those who support these movements understand the power of democratic schools and will use any tactic to discredit them. Don't fall victim to their rhetoric. Kids will learn what they need to know when they need to know it. They will also seek out help and engage teachers if given the chance. When you make the comment that "kids need. . ." you're giving support to conservatives that would like nothing more than to control all schools and the curricula. As George S. Counts, dared us a long time ago, "Dare the schools build a new social order?" Wake up! It's happening now, however, the new social order that Counts and other progressives dreamed of is nowhere in sight.

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Archaic methods
Posted by: Chanutin on Aug 28, 2005 6:40 PM   
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I think the truth lies somewhere between jail-schools and democratic schools, but more towards democratic. A quote from a 4th grader in "How Children Fail": "Kids like to learn, we just don't like to be pushed around." Anybody who knows anything about education will tell you that, in the end, all learning is voluntary. Sure, you can enforce "bulemic" education - gorge and purge,cram and test, but it won't stick.
Children aren't fully competent to guide their own lives and education, but we need to allow them to do so to the level of their competence. They need teachers to expose them to what they don't know that they don't know, and provide both academic guidance and procedural boundaries. Most of all, they need to be inspired, to see people around them who love the exchange and exploration of knowledge.
Standardized tests will work when someone develops the standardized child.

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As an educator and a liberal...
Posted by: Spot on Aug 28, 2005 9:55 PM   
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Olympiada said: "As an artist, I want to be trained in a medium before I go out there and do my own thing with it."

If you had read the article without presupposing a threat to the teaching profession, you would have seen that democratic schools are organized to give the children an opportunity to be educated in the things thay want to be trained in. If they wanted to be a painter, the resources would need to be made available to train them in that medium. While I have no personal experience in this type of school, I appreciate its place and can think of many students whom I believe would benefit from this environment more than from a traditional one.

The democratic principle does not give total freedom to the child, but rather gives them the freedom their parents allow. If the product of the school is not "education", the parents would have both an obligation and a $5000 incentive to return their child to public school. Neither the level of control a parent has over their child, nor the level of obligation they have for her welfare, is mitigated in the least by the type of education a child recieves. An alternative style of education should, in my opinion, only be used in circumstances where the child is:
a) unresponsive to traditional methods
b) unable to recieve the desired education in traditional schools
c) so obviously predisposed to the non-traditional method that it would seem abusive to deny it.

The relationship between teacher and student is not, nor should it ever be, one-way. As a teacher, can anyone deny that they have not also learned from people who play the role of student? Furthermore, as anyone who has spent time in education can attest to, the needs of the individual students will require different methods even within the traditional classroom. While the standardized test won't care whether your students learn best from lecture or by role-play, you must learn to reach all the children in your classroom, sometimes even stooping to (sic) letting students teach each other.

While your own experience may lead you to believe that children need an imposed structure, I invite you to take me at my word when I say that all children are not the same. They do not all require the same environment to excel, and they do not all have the same goals in life.

Sometimes one size fits only one.

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Democratic Renewal
Posted by: Ashington on Aug 28, 2005 11:45 PM   
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Its seems that Democracy has undergone a sudden spotlight once more. Not in the Propaganda that TBS and Fox shows to erase our wills and attention to the Government's fault. Anyone aware that the FBI and CIA and probably the NSA if such an agency exists, watched the Russian Programs, and when they saw an upsurge in Russian Nationalist, as far as an upsurge could be detected, they put themselves on high alert for Russian Activity? same deal here.
Two Specific examples. Democratic Schools and Collective, democratic Businesses. They are both induated in the ideals of democracy, and exhibit the basics of the functioning idealized system. Seems that while in our government, People are losing rights left and right, and up and down, and inside and out, There is still a candle burning for those promises written about in the Constitution.

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Corrina McFarlane
Posted by: Corrina on Aug 29, 2005 1:52 PM   
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Thank you Kim for bringing this ever-important conversation. My current favorite quote is by parent educator extraordinaire, Pam Leo: "Let's raise children who won't have to recover from their childhood." www.connectionparenting.com - Sudbury school in the USA, like Summerhill in England continue to be catalysts for essential dialogue around childrearing and education two generations on. Let's keep talking... and note the new national 'WarmLine" Family Support Service to suppport and inspire conscious choices in this field of human endeavor: www.aTLCWarmLine.org

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