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Investigating Pat Robertson

By Deborah James, AlterNet. Posted August 25, 2005.


His frightening public call to assassinate Hugo Chávez is consistent with the U.S. government's hostile stance toward Venezuela -- but that doesn't mean it should go unpunished.

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On Monday, August 22nd, right-wing televangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of democratically elected President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

Robertson (a candidate for the GOP´s Presidential nomination in 1992) and the millions of supporters of his television show, The 700 Club, are a key constituency of the Republican party.

In his Monday show, Robertson said, "If [Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

In an apparent reference to past US invasions of countries like Vietnam and Iraq, he added that "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. … It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay should be lining up to condemn -- in the strongest terms possible -- such immoral statements from a leader of their political base. Instead, State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack merely referred to Robertson's statement as "inappropriate."

Calling for terrorist homicide against a democratically elected president is not merely "inappropriate" -- it is illegal, unethical, and it must be investigated for potential violations of federal and international law.

Fortunately, there are a few Congresspeople who understand the implications of this extremist act. Representative Serrano said the comments were "beyond the pale." Representative Lee chimed in that "President Bush should quickly and clearly condemn Pat Robertson's call for the assassination of the democratically elected leader of Venezuela, particularly since his new Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, Karen Hughes, has appeared on Robertson's show."

In addition, the National Council of Churches stated: "Pat Robertson's call for the murder of Venezuela President Hugo Chavez is appalling to the point of disbelief. It defies logic that a clergyman could so casually dismiss thousands of years of Judaeo-Christian law, including the commandment that we are not to kill."

Reverend Jesse Jackson, Jr. said that Robertson's "rhetoric, especially if taken to their conclusion, only undermines international diplomacy and dialogue, and has no place in today's world."

On Monday Venezuelan Vice President José Vincent Rangel noted in a Caracas press conference: "Before, they were openly calling for Chávez's overthrow, now the call is to assassinate him."

The next day, Robertson "clarified" his comments, incredulously stating that "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping."

Finally, on Wednesday, Robertson apologized -- but put the blame on Chávez for provoking him: "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

His apology is welcome, but it calls attention to the larger picture: the context of ongoing US aggression towards Venezuela.

Robertson's Comments Consistent with US Government Policy

For years the US government has been working to create a climate hostile to the democratically elected government of Venezuela -- Pat Robertson's statements are, unfortunately, consistent with the actions of the Bush administration. The administration supported the 2002 coup against President Chávez, and has continued to fund coup leaders in their efforts to remove President Chávez from office after the coup.

Recently, the US has stepped up efforts to isolate Venezuela in the region (although these efforts have been largely rebuffed by other Latin American leaders.) Last week, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld continued the Bush administration's rhetorical assault against President Chávez, re-issuing old and unsupported claims regarding Venezuela.

Yet in August 2004, President Chávez won a referendum on his presidency by 59%, results which were certified by the Organization of American States (OAS) and Carter Center as free and fair. His popularity currently stands at over 70% -- much higher than his US counterpart's, and one of the highest in Latin America. There is complete freedom of press, assembly, speech, and civil rights in the country, and there are no serious human rights organizations that have argued that these rights have been reduced under Chávez, nor do they compare unfavorably to other regional governments.

The policy of America's governmental antipathy towards Venezuela stems more from that country's creation of an alternative economic vision than unsubstantiated concerns regarding democracy. President Chávez has embarked on a series of economic reforms, such as funneling billions of oil industry profits into massive programs for health care, education, literacy, and clean water, and promoting regional integration, which fly in the face of Bush's failed efforts to promote corporate globalization by establishing a Free Trade Area of the Americas.

The US "free trade" economic model has failed to deliver growth in the region; according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, Latin Americans have experienced less than .5% per capita economic growth overall in the last 25 years. Meanwhile, Chávez's economic policies (combined with oil profits) have made Venezuela the fastest growing economy in the region. But the American government's dislike for Chávez's vision certainly does not give anyone a license to kill.


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Huh?
Posted by: jeff on Aug 25, 2005 12:34 AM   
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How is it that so many people follow this Twat Robertson?

Go to http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/quotes.html for more of his inspirational elucidations.

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» The South Loves Pat Posted by: Badlawdog
» RE: The South Loves Pat Posted by: kingfelix
» RE: Huh? Posted by: homebrewmike
» Easy answers Posted by: Pauljaxon
» RE: Easy answers Posted by: BuckFush
» RE: asy answers Posted by: beetruetoyou
» Language, Language Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
» RE: Huh? Posted by: IndyElliott
Nothing will happen
Posted by: Just Some Dude on Aug 25, 2005 1:22 AM   
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Though I agree with the authors call to investigate, I doubt anything will become of this. Remember DeLay, Rove, etc...the list goes on and on and they do nothing. Sad, but true.

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» RE: Nothing will happen Posted by: cyclone
» RE: Nothing will happen Posted by: nardo
How do they get away with it?
Posted by: sjgarcia on Aug 25, 2005 2:18 AM   
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Seriously, those of us outside looking in are thoroughly confused how cases such as this (and as the original poster said, with Rove and others) can just be overlooked. We all know (as do many of you) that your government is severely corrupt. That's apparent to anyone with two grey cells to rub together. What's boggling is how the American people can let them get away with so much when they had the previous president prosecuted for a blowjob.

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» RE: How do they get away with it? Posted by: beetruetoyou
Robertson's true colors.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Aug 25, 2005 3:11 AM   
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His allegiances lie with hatred and greed. I see he supports murder. And now I see his true allegiance lies with corporate amerika. He wants a socialist murdered so corporate amerika can sacrifice the Venzuelan masses to his gods.

Spat Murderson has lost any connection he has with Jesus if he ever had any. I think Jesus would be somewhat pleased with Chavez. Chavez does not condone violence and he has done alot to help the underpriviledged. Two things Jesus surely would have done. I can not imagine anything Murderson is doing Jesus would do.

I hope Spat will be prosecuted and jailed. He is another disgrace to our country and obviously can not understand the new testament.

Viva Hugo Chavez! It's good to see a leader try to raise the standard of living of his country's people.

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» RE: obertson's true colors. Posted by: linuxluver
» RE: obertson's true colors. Posted by: clinton
adp3d
Posted by: adp3d on Aug 25, 2005 3:38 AM   
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Pat Robertson has issued what can be considered a religious fatwa. Some idiot like Eric Rudolf will take heed and make an attempt on Mr. Chavous life, and the Bush adminstration will disavow any knowledge...

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Since the first day I ever saw this ASSHOLE, PAT ROBERTSON,
Posted by: yogendra2 on Aug 25, 2005 3:57 AM   
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I KNEW HE WAS A FUCKING IDIOT. IF THIS PIECE OF DOGSHIT IS A CHRISTIAN, I AM FRANK SINATRA. I OFTEN WONDER IF JESUS EVER WISHES HE COULD RE CHOOSE HIS TEAM. WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS IDIOT, ROBERTSON, REPRESENTING THE RIGHT WING 'CHRISTIANS' I DON'T THINK THEY ARE LONG FOR THE SPOTLIGHT. CAN'T EVEN THE DUMBEST PERSON SEE THAT THIS MAN IS A RIDICULOUS FRAUD, WITH ONLY A TAWDRY POLITICAL AGENDA, AND NOT MUCH OF A RELIGIOUS ONE. PAT ROBERTSON WOULDN'T KNOW JESUS IF HE MET THE MESSIAH ON THE STREET. HOW BANKRUPT THE UNITED STATES HAS BECOME WITH A MORON REPRESENTING THE COUNTRY AND THIS ASSHOLE REPRESENTING CHRISTIANITY, AMERICA'S PRIMARY RELIGION. YOGI, TUCSON BADBOY000@GMAIL.COM

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» WWJB Posted by: BuckFush
Barbara
Posted by: Barbara on Aug 25, 2005 3:59 AM   
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Since Venezuela has stood up to the bully USA, it is also being a becon of democracy in South America, which is a frightening and unacceptable prospect for the American government which has had so much control over this area.
They won't like the prospect of other Latin American countries following suite, as the USA Corporations will lose out on their " Slave Labor " and cheap products.
What Venezuela is showing these other countries is that they don't have to participate in the US " free trade " which ginds them into poverty.
Also, China has made a substantial oil contract with Venezuela and has offered monetary assistance, taking away the grip like hold of the US controled IMF & world bank over these countries.
So,....other than assassination, we are more likely to see US, CIA & corporate paid rebels emerging in venezuela to disrupt the country, as they have repeatedly done in the past in this and other countries.

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» RE: Barbara Posted by: REACT Magazine
Holy, holy, holy!
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 25, 2005 4:04 AM   
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So this is the power of Christ, is it? Christians who want to convert me to their life style tell me that if I invite Christ in, I will be filled with the love of the Holy Spirit whose power will transform my life and make me a better person. Yeah, right. I see how being a Christian changes lives. Why in hell would I want to sign up with this miserably failed ethical system? Clearly, these people have nothing to do with the actual metaphysical power if any that underlies reality. If this Jesus really existed, would he tolerate this kind of dookie in his name?

The Right Reverend Robertson is a piece of pig excrement, and people like him, Jerry hatemonger Falwell and much of the American government from the Commander-in-Chimp down to the ass clown Santorum, all noisy Christians, say more to me about the so-called power of Jesus than everything else combined possibly could.

Oh, yeah, I know, none of these are true Christians, whatever those are. These people are the true Christians. They speak for the church. Anyway, I don’t hear any of the churches denouncing them. Nor do I hear my Christian acquaintances disavowing them. All of this is apparently all right with the entire institution of Christianity, but not with me.

So, the next time you think about preaching this nonsense to me or anyone like me, take a reality check. You might as well try to sell me your car while I can see it broken down on the side of the road with smoke billowing out from under its hood. Don’t look for validation by trying to drag us into your fantasy. Why do you think that we fight tooth and nail to keep this tripe out of our schools and courts? Many of us don’t want our kids to be influenced by it. Look what it has done for Pat Robertson.

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» Allow me to be the first Posted by: nakis
» RE: Holy, holy, holy! Posted by: stoney13
pb of mich.
Posted by: paulb on Aug 25, 2005 4:27 AM   
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These type of people are the reason that I quit going to church.Real christians would not have supported Bush in the last election if they would have been following there bible! It says to judge them by there fruits and Bush has produced nothing but rotten fruit.Church people follow him blindly because bush is against gay marrage and abortion.This is being pushed by the likes of Robertson and they will push what ever will support Bush.This is totally against the call to worship with all your heart and mind .As a born again christian,marine corp vet ,and America I could not support these people.

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» RE: pb of mich. Posted by: tcunning
ECLECTICIST S JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Aug 25, 2005 5:24 AM   
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PAT ROBERTSON, JERRY FALWELL, JESSE JACKSON, ETC WHATEVER THEIR POLITICAL LEANINGS ARE PASTORS DESIRING TO BE POLITICIANS...THEIR CALLING IS FOR PASTORING, NOT POLITICAL POSTURING...
SHOULD HE PUNISHED? IN MY OPINION, THE JUDGMENT WAITING FOR HIM IS MUCH GREATER THAN ANY WE AS HUMANS CAN EVER DEEMED POSSIBLE...

IN MY VIEW, HIS 700 CLUB SHOW NEEDED MORE RATINGS AND MORE VIEWERS...TOO BAD HE DID NOT FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF REV BILLY GRAHAM ,WHO HAS DEVOTED HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO EACH MAN'S MAIN PURPOSE: 'TO SPREAD THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST..."

S...JIM...RODRIGUEZ+++THE ECLECTICIST+++

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agitator church and state
Posted by: eileen_flmng on Aug 25, 2005 5:47 AM   
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Judgemental Fundamentalist's like Robertson must be confronted for their lust for power, their desire for empire and their corruption, mis-use and misunderstanding of what Christ was all about.

To all Christians and every open mind out there who has had enough of neo-cons and neo-Christians leading us the way we do not want to go, the time is now to DO SOMETHING: click the video "Do Something" on

www.wearewideawake

then please do it!

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Bush immorality and his immoral base of cronies
Posted by: kgs1947 on Aug 25, 2005 5:47 AM   
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Religion is now following the immoral policies of the current political administration in this country. Where is all of this going to take us? Down into complete turmoil of values and moral decadence. Bush, who is a dry drunk, with his cronies continues to set the stage for media and political morass. No one is taking any leadership in religion, goverment, academia, or families. We are in deep shit and not even trying to escape from the outhouse. We will die as a society. Where are the former presidential candidates now? In hiding like sinking rats.

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Osama bin Roberstson
Posted by: bobdobbs on Aug 25, 2005 5:48 AM   
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I say we call for a pre-emptive strike on Robertson. Terrorists like him should not be tolerated. Are we fighting terrorism or are we just killing non-christians in the name of Jesus?

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» RE: Osama bin Roberstson Posted by: ALANHESTER
Makes you proud, doesn't it?
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 25, 2005 6:07 AM   
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Pat Robertson, a Christian, has the audacity to call for Chavez's assassination. This is a good way for Mr. Robertson to turn up dead. But don't look to Bush, also a Christian, to denounce any of this.

Any president of one of he countries of the Americas who actually gives a crap about his people such as Daniel Ortega or Hugo Chavez becomes an enemy of my country. That is because such populist leaders actually believe that their precious resources should be shared among their own people instead of being sold to American corporate interests on the cheap.

Chavez of Venezuela is such a leader who actually wants to improve the fate of the poor of his country, and the Bush cartel (and apparently Mr. Robertson as well) is so opposed to that notion that they have unsuccessfully tried to destabilize his presidency. They have also had the unmitigated gall to call the elections that seated Mr. Chavez corrupt. Imagine that from our government.

So, when Robertson says kill Chavez, nobody with any authority is going to object, let alone prosecute him. The State department says, "inappropriate". Inappropriate is when you wear brown shoes with black pants, not when as a leader of the church you advocate murder. Maybe Mr. Robertson needs to look at one of those Ten Commandments signs the born agains in my neighborhood are always planting in their lawns to civilize us heathens.

And don't forget that Pat Robertson was in cahoots with Liberian president Charles Taylor to profit illegally from Liberian gold mines worked by abused and impoverished Liberian citizens who suffered, toiled and died so that the whore Robertson could add to his millions. What a fine man.

Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?

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This should be a wake-up call to all Americans...
Posted by: moogyboy on Aug 25, 2005 6:08 AM   
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...assuming Americans still know how to think straight. There ought to be *massive* outrage from responsible and moral Americans, and most especially Christians. All of us need to collectively speak, so the entire world hears in no uncertain terms: THIS SELF-RIGHTEOUS GASBAG DOESN'T SPEAK FOR US.

Note the distinct absence of outrage, however.

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What's The Matter With Pat?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 25, 2005 6:30 AM   
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Someone (I can't remember who) put it well: Who would Jesus assassinate? As a Christian, I find Robertson's comments outrageous. Have any of these fools (Pat, Bush, Falwell, Swaggert, et. al.) ever even read the Sermon On The Mount?? Bush once said of the Taliban, "We're not fooled by their pretentions of piety". Oh yeah? Well I'm not fooled by his. And while we're at it, let's not pray for American success in Iraq, let's pray for God's will. I do not believe they're one in the same. Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: What's The Matter With Pat? Posted by: REACT Magazine
yellowdogdem
Posted by: DCH on Aug 25, 2005 6:34 AM   
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Robertson, and the present administration are on the same page and we need to provide the linkage.
Shades of El Salvadore.

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Pat's Not The Problem
Posted by: cary on Aug 25, 2005 6:37 AM   
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Look, Robertson was not speaking in any official gov't capacity. He can say whatever he wants. The 1st amendment applies to him too, after all.

The problem is the failure of the Bush administration to condemn the statement and distance themselves from him.

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» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: cyclone
» RE: Pat is part of the problem Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: ALANHESTER
» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: LouisFallert
» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: beetruetoyou
» RE: Pat's Not The Problem Posted by: Lindie
Here We Go Again ....
Posted by: Bab5nutz on Aug 25, 2005 6:47 AM   
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32 Years ago, Salvador Allende, the democratically elected President of Chile, died during a coup that was alleged to have been backed by the CIA.
I hope that the Bush Adminstration does not go down the road.

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» RE: Here We Go Again .... Posted by: ekud3
» RE: Here We Go Again .... Posted by: JoeEbola
» RE: Here We Go Again .... Posted by: nakis
» RE: Here We Go Again .... Posted by: Bab5nutz
Roberts is a little late...
Posted by: Pooty T on Aug 25, 2005 6:57 AM   
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WhewwwWeeeeeeeee
Posted by: Riverside on Aug 25, 2005 6:58 AM   
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The last time it was the great flood, this time it will be an asteroid. Most likely T-Rex will return to rule and those of us left will make fear our constant partner. Mr. Robertson will survive long enough to serve T-Rex lunch.

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» RE: WhewwwWeeeeeeeee Posted by: Emeraude
» RE: WhewwwWeeeeeeeee Posted by: LMNOP
Lots of Good Posts
Posted by: nakis on Aug 25, 2005 7:06 AM   
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With the exception of a couple.

How do Christians either spout this kind of thing or follow people who do things that Robertson does.

He is a corporate neocon disquising himself as doing Gods work.
You can't have business enterprises in Africa with tyrants stealing the wealth of Africa and call yourself a Christian. You can't take money raised for charity and use it for your buniness and call yourself a Christian. You can't call for someones death and call yourself a Christian. You can't support neocon/free trade raping of the people for profits and call yourself a Christian.

Their own faith calls for the most utmost punishment for these kinds of actions. There are supposed to be the worst punishments of all for those who claim to lead people to God and yet lead them away. There are supposed to be special places in hell for people like Robertson, Bush, et all.

And you wonder why so many people leave the Christian faith, that Earth religions are on the rise and conversions to Islam. People like Robertson, Bush, Delay, Frist, etc.. are Christianities own worst enemy.
Especailly since Christianity isn't supposed to be at odds with anything. Not at least the way Jesus taught.

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» RE: Lots of Good Posts Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Lots of Good Posts Posted by: mbpeg7
Extadite
Posted by: ekud3 on Aug 25, 2005 7:10 AM   
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As a canadian I was shocked that I had to see that on National and international airwaves.
There are laws in Canada against promoting hatred or hate crimes.
So I think it is only fair that Canada ask that he be extradited for trial and possible imprisonment for promoting hate,which is illegal in Canada.
The United States requested that Canadian political activist and cannabis seed seller Marc Emery be extradited for trial and possible life imprison for breaking U.S. law not canadian law.
In the same vane it is illegal to promote hate here but obviously not in the U.S.
So send him over,tit for tat ,its only fair.

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Complain to the FCC
Posted by: lindarob on Aug 25, 2005 7:12 AM   
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It strikes me that AlterNet should be helping to organize public complaints to the FCC. Pat Robertson violated FCC regulations in advocating violence, and therefore, so did the broadcast stations that carried his program. If Janet Jackson's costume malfunction can lead to fines, this is far more serious.

In addition, I think AlterNet ought to call upon Congress to revise the rules that control our subscriptions to cable and satellite. The Christian Right opposes allowing us to choose which networks we want to receive, because they know that they will lose an important source of income. In other words, they are absolutely opposed to allowing good old competition to rule the cable and satellite offerings, preferring instead to lobby Congress for censorship of language and behavior on non-broadcast television.

Can't Alternet assist in promoting these two simple initiatives in response to the egregious behavior by Pat Robertson?

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» RE: Complain to the FCC Posted by: Lindie
Take a Cue
Posted by: karyse on Aug 25, 2005 7:18 AM   
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To everyone commenting herein in all capital letters -- please stop. It's the online version of screaming and gets tiresome -- especially when what you are saying has merit.

To everyone herein who called for silencing Robertson (quoting this or that law) I may not agree with what someone says, but I'll defend to the death his/her right to say it. Saying something does NOT "do" something and when idiots speak their normal idiotic and amoral hearts it does much to expose their flaws thereby showing the merit of the opposition's view.

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» RE: Take a Cue Posted by: grammasanity
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Robertson's an idiot, but this article is a haigography of Chavez.
Posted by: brunowe on Aug 25, 2005 7:24 AM   
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I think the demand that Bush personally condemn the statement is a good one, however the call for possible legal action is an overreaction. Saying that the government ought to do something is clearly not the same as threatening to do something ("He ought to do this vs. I'm going to do this"). The latter is a statement of intent to take an action, the former is an expression of a wish that someone would take an action.

Although there is no legal or moral justification for what Robertson called for, there is more to objections to Chavez that might be indiciated in the authors haigography. Chavez, although democractically elected, has swept away the checks and balances vital to any democracy in the name of his own cult of personality. The Freedom House report on his country http://www.freedomhouse.org/ research/freeworld/2005/Spain-Zimbabwe. pdf, which lists it as "Partly Free", mentions measures to pack the Supreme Court and bring local governments. Freedom House has also mentioned a climate of intimidation against the press as well as tighter regulations over the opposition media.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights' 2003 report also expressed concern about Chavez's govenment, such as the "provisional" status of Venezuelan judges (undermining their independence) and harassment of the media (incl. a law that states "Any person who offends, verbally or in writing or in any other fashion, the President of the Republic" shall be subject to 6-30 mos. imprisonment).http://www.cidh.org/ countryrep/Venezuela2003eng/ toc.htm Although the media was biased against Chavez, laws as this are a dictatorial overreach.

Human Rights Watch has also noted several areas of concern
http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=americas&c=venezu

Venezuela still ranks as one of the world's more corrupt countries http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004. A condition enhanced by a system where much of the power and oil wealth is centered in a demagogue who uses it to reward followers and punish non-followers.

Chavez's economic "success" arguably has less to do with his policies than with the fortutious (for him) increase in the price of oil. Although he is no Castro, there's no reason to place a halo on him.
(n.b., had to put spaces in the links to get them in, copy and past to address bar and close up spaces to use them.)

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Take back Christianity
Posted by: grammasanity on Aug 25, 2005 7:39 AM   
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Robertson and his ilk don't deserve the name of Christians. I am trying to be one, and it's really hard to not feel slimed by these angry, violent egotistical 'fallen angels' of what is really a petty good faith, if you actually follow the teachings. Love God (the Living God, source of all life), Love your neighbor, be kind, emulate little children -- does this sound like any of these weirdos?
Don't let the bad guys have it! A true Christian will ALWAYS be a left-wing liberal commie pinko in the face of hard and evil men in power. Risk your job, risk your life, risk everything for Truth, and get the devil out of your life and your head and your government. Impeach Bush and turn off your TV!

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Where's flatulence(lazy eight) when the fan is headed for the tripe
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Aug 25, 2005 7:55 AM   
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I was looking through here for what flatulence(number of the day) has to contribute to this commentary. I am just curious as to if our casino worker in Mississippi will heed the call of his messiah to travel to points south to eradicate this vermin from our midst. I, for one, will grant him diplomatic immunity if he will continue on this righteous march of sending any and all to their maker in support of righteous thought.

Given the sheer numbers of those that have the ability to reason outside of the conservative canon (no, flat, that is not a gun associated with socialism), this should keep him busy for the next, oh, two-three thousand years.

On another note, I find it curious that Pat has such a prominent forehead. Many talk of shrub as “all hat, no head” Pat appears to be “all head, no brains.”

This is just the kind of thing you would expect Karl to do; getting one of their aging pillars of thought to fall on a sword, so that the damn liberal media will shut up about Cindy Sheehan, while the shells are moved and the pea removed.

Is Pat really this stupid? Perhaps he now realizes that he is long in the tooth, will never lead his misbegotten flock to power in this country, and Karl slid a few shillings in the collection tray for the better good, or the gooder high, or ... who knows.

Maybe I’m just an idiot.

KN - Sorry flatulence, your leaders and their supporters are giving me more gas today.

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The shell game
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Aug 25, 2005 8:08 AM   
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As I ponder why Pat could suddenly wax so eloquently as to get the front page all over this country of ours, I think it is of note that shrub has suddenly popped up out of the sticks talking to large numbers of families of dead soldiers and even finding one he could use to his advantage for the sake of quelling the drone from the nut in Crawford (Cindy, not Dubya).

The shells have been moved; are we going to allow another nuts shell to hide the pea for another 200 billion and the pittance of say 2000 dead children of the minions, in pursuit of oil and glory for shrub?

KN – Sorry, Cindy, you are kind of a nut, but I like you.

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Appalled
Posted by: sassicatz on Aug 25, 2005 8:20 AM   
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I, a Christian, was absolutely appalled by Robertson's statements, and by his attempts to wiggle out of responsibility for them. Jesus would not condone his words and actions, nor the words and actions of George Bush.

I also think it's appalling that more Christians haven't spoken out about this. We, of all people, should denounce such things.

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WE are ADDICTED to his CABLE TV brain-sticky DRUG
Posted by: Meremark on Aug 25, 2005 8:27 AM   
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This despotic fascist CAN NOT be seized and stopped because he is HIDING in the Cable TV BUNDLED PACKAGE, and people keep giving Cable TV monthly money and that gives money to this fascist.

BOYCOTT Cable TV and we can Dollar-ASSASSINATE Robertson, 700 Club, ChristoFascists, and the RELIGIOUS RIGHTISTS. ! ! !

All their money came from OUR Cable TV payment that they get a chunk of -- One Billion Dollars a Year (per channel, plus or minus) -- that was ChristoFascists start 30 years ago and it still pays them corrupting boxes of murder-money today.

IT GETS WORSER and WORSEST until we DO SOMETHING, get mad as hell, get a friend and !! BOYCOTT Cable TV !! and say: 'We REFUSE the BRAIN POISON.'

ONLY OUR Cable TV SACRIFICE can CRUSH BUSHism.
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(IF we mean to truly DO SOMETHING that changes the world, instead of talk talk talking and wringing our hands like we are helpless and clueless.)
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the real enemy is FUNDAMENTALISM
Posted by: sanitysojourner on Aug 25, 2005 8:26 AM   
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As a person of faith (and it doesn't matter which one since I respect all faiths as well as those of no faith), I see the problem is not Christianity per se but fundamentalism -- of any faith system. Fundamentalism stresses the infallibility of the Bible (Quran, or religious tome of choice) in all matters of faith and doctrine, using those scriptures, selectively culled of course, as a literal historical record. These fundamentalists have given their respective religions a very bad rap.

I suggest that, instead of deploring how low "Christianity" has sunk, those of a Christian persuasion should take their religion back from the fundies. Loudly. Stridently.

The left long ago yielded up the words "pro-life" to a radical fringe, leaving me screaming: "who the hell isn't pro-life?" We need to stop yielding the language management to the right. They are NOT Christian by their behavior, but they have seized the word.

Before we get into (fundamentalist) religious wars worldwide, all of us, regardless of faith, need to denounce those who would create a false identity for a religion for their own selfish purposes.

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» RE: the real enemy is FUNDAMENTALISM Posted by: kelly.nickell
Just calm down
Posted by: jazzyjer on Aug 25, 2005 8:32 AM   
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Robertson is a blithering idiot, and to make casual remarks of this nature indicates early-onset Alzheimer's. The left should take a "poor foo', he's finally losing it" approach and pity him into irrelevance.
This article betrays a certain sloppiness; the rev ran for prez in 88, not 92 and jesse jackson is a rev while jesse jr. is a congressman. I wonder which one the over-excitable author is quoting?

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» Fallen between two chairs ... Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
David
Posted by: navistic50 on Aug 25, 2005 8:49 AM   
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I've been noticing that the major networks are not pursuing the Robertson story here in America... No surprise though. Corruption has sunk to a new low here in our homeland.

Since the 2000 elections we have been in a steadily swirling and increasing sinkhole, due in no small part to our own failings, fears, ignorance or what have you. Yet in no small part, our government and the religious right have cultivated repression to a new art form.

I fear for our future in this country, not because our government is corrupt, but because america's citizens fail to see where the end of the road leads in regards to capitalism and corporationism.

America is collapsing from the inside, and at the present rate, Bush won't make it out of office to cover his mistakes this time.

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By their fruits you shall know them
Posted by: radnar on Aug 25, 2005 8:53 AM   
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It came to me from reading the article and the comments that maybe the Bible is not as much bullshit as I thought.

I started out life as a Christian because my parents were and did not question it until my Methodist Church joined with the Evangelical United Brethern in my late teens. I had no problem with that but many of the "elders" of my church did because they said that we would then have to l