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Michael Moore Gets Ready to Roll

By Bill Berkowitz, AlterNet. Posted August 18, 2005.


Will it continue to be open season on the 'scruffy guy in a baseball cap' as he prepares a new film on America's ailing health care industry?
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In early January, at the Thirty-First Annual People's Choice Awards, Michael Moore's remarkable documentary film, Fahrenheit 9/11, received the award for "Favorite Movie." Moore thanked the people for voting for the film and said that he was "amazed" to be receiving the award. He then dedicated the award to U.S. troops fighting overseas.

Moore closed by saying that he loved "making movies" and that he would take "this [award] as an invitation to make more Fahrenheit 9/11s." Then, Moore seemed to disappear from the public eye.

However, unlike Richard Nixon, who after losing the 1962 California gubernatorial election to Pat Brown, delivered his "You-won't-have-Richard-Nixon-to-kick-around-anymore" retirement (albeit premature) speech, Moore made no such pledge.

Seven months later, Moore is about to set his cameras rolling.

Any information about a new film by Moore inevitably gets tongues wagging. This time around, months before he was even to begin shooting a new film -- provisionally entitled Sicko, about America's ailing health care industry -- a gaggle of pharmaceutical companies launched a preemptive strike against him and the film. At least six of the country's largest pharmaceutical firms sent memos to their workers warning them to be on the lookout for "a scruffy guy in a baseball cap" who asks too many questions, the Guardian reported.

"We ran a story in our online newspaper saying Moore is embarking on a documentary -- and if you see a scruffy guy in a baseball cap, you'll know who it is," Stephen Lederer, a spokesman for Pfizer Global Research and Development, told the Los Angeles Times.
"Moore's past work has been marked by negativity, so we can only assume it won't be a fair and balanced portrayal," said Rachel Bloom, executive director of corporate communications the Delaware-based firm, AstraZeneca. "His movies resemble docudramas more than documentaries."

Moore's pending film hasn't been his only endeavor attracting attention. When it was announced that Moore was one of the key organizers of the first Traverse City Film Festival -- held in the economically-distressed city of the same name*, near his home in Michigan -- some conservatives considered organizing a boycott of the five-day event held in late July.

In addition to being an unprecedented cultural opportunity for the area, many locals saw the festival as a much-needed economic shot in the arm: Michigan's former Republican Governor William Milliken, the Herrington-Fitch Foundation, and a local radio station that airs conservative talk shows like Rush Limbaugh, all helped support the endeavor.

The festival "was a success beyond anything we had imagined," Moore said in a post-festival press release. "For a city that has a population of only 20,000, to have 50,000 admissions at a film festival here, words can't describe how we feel."

Festival organizers also pointed out that fans consistently packed the house for the free daily panel discussions with directors, writers and Hollywood insiders, and more than 6,000 turned out for the festival's free outdoor showings of Casablanca and Jaws.

In an unprecedented move, festival organizers also announced that they would be purchasing copies of all 2005 films for three county library systems, and providing free public access to the movies.

Instead of a boycott, conservatives opted for their own mini-film festival, a move that likely delighted Moore, who above all else is devoted to movies. Several years back, when he was confronted by conservative filmmaker Evan Coyne Maloney -- who had hoped to "provoke a flustered reaction" that he could post on his blog at Brain-terminal.com -- Moore instead graciously suggested that documentary filmmaking "should be open to all people of all political persuasions." Moore pointed out that filmmaking "should not just be people who are liberal, or left-of-center, or whatever." He encouraged Maloney to make his movies, "and then the people will respond or not respond to them."

In recent days, right wing pundits have claimed that Moore is behind Cindy Sheehan's tent encampment just down the road from President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch. Sheehan's son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq in April 2004.

And, according to Media Matters, on a recent broadcast, radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh allowed that he would see a law that would deport "anybody who speaks out against this country." Under such a law, Limbaugh posited that "We'd get rid of Michael Moore, we'd get rid of half the Democratic party," and "That would be fabulous."

Moore-loathing reached a grand scale in 2004: Conservatives accused him of everything from being a Bush-bashing anti-American who played fast and loose with the facts in his award-winning documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11, to, well ... being a lousy tipper. And so-called moderate Democrats pegged him as part of a "Hollywood elite" that helped cost John Kerry the presidency.

Before Fahrenheit 9/11 hit the theaters in June 2004, Russo Marsh & Rogers, a Sacramento, Calif.-based public relation firm, teamed up in June with Move America Forward -- the conservative group that recently sponsored the so-called Truth Tour to Iraq -- to launch a preemptive strike against the film. The campaign, which ultimately had little impact, urged supporters to "Stop Michael Moore" by taking "action against the release of his anti-American movie."

Two conservative film festivals were initiated during the year. The American Film Renaissance, whose slogan was "Doing Film the Right Way," became the first full-fledged film festival devoted entirely to the screening of films with a conservative perspective, and several of them, including Michael Moore Hates America, were aimed directly at countering Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.

A host of critical web sites aimed at debunking Moore's politics were established, including moorewatch.com, mooreexposed.com and bowlingfortruth.com, which attempts to take down Moore's Oscar-winning film, Bowling for Columbine. For those less verbally inclined, there's punchmichaelmooreintheface.com.

The right-leaning Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) weighed in with a fair amount of its own criticism of Moore. After last year's election, Al From, the DLC's CEO, pointed out that Democrats must "repudiate, you know, the most strident and insulting anti-American voices out there sometimes on our party's left. ... We can't have our party identified by Michael Moore and Hollywood as our cultural values."

Will Marshall, the President of the Progressive Policy Institute, the think tank of the DLC, added: "You know, let's let Hollywood and the Cannes Film Festival fawn all over Michael Moore. We ought to make it pretty clear that he sure doesn't speak for us when it comes to standing up for our country."

Even the usually mild-mannered Leon Panetta, the former Democratic congressman who served as President Clinton's White House chief of staff, had strong words about Moore, saying that the Party must do away with cultural elitism -- which he called the "Michael Moore syndrome."

Evan Coyne Maloney, the conservative New York City-based documentary filmmaker who dogged Moore a few years back, told AlterNet that he "credit[s] Michael Moore with helping bring political debate to the realm of documentary film, and I hope the medium can support a true debate, one where multiple perspectives are heard."

Maloney, who earlier this year was hailed by the conservative newspaper, the New York Sun, as perhaps "America's most promising conservative documentary filmmaker," expects "many people who share Michael Moore's political persuasion" will "be interested in seeing his take on our healthcare system."

Maloney, now putting the finishing touches on Indoctrinate U, a feature film that expands upon his Brainwashing 101, an expose of unbridled liberalism on America's colleges and universities, added that it would "be interesting to see how the general public would respond to seeing his film and, say, a film that discusses the people who've died in Canada on waiting lists for procedures that are routine here."

Meanwhile, at a press conference during the Traverse City Film Festival, Moore was asked about the health care industry's concern about his upcoming film. Bemused as he often is by his attackers, Moore pointed out that the HMOs already seemed to be "totally discombobulated," even though he hadn't yet shot a single frame.

*[Correction: several readers have suggested that Traverse City is not "economically distressed." According to Eartha Melser of the Washington Blade, "Traverse City is a thriving place, three and a half hours, by car, northwest of Flint. This will be seen as a glaring factual problem by people familiar with Michigan." We regret the error.]

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Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement who writes pieces documenting the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the U.S. right-wing movement.

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Go, Mike, Go!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 18, 2005 3:43 AM   
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Michael Moore is a national treasure. A century from now he will be remembered as an island of reason in a sea of stupidity (Hey, that ain't bad. Neat prose, Degan!) His films and books will still be watched and read as Thomas Paine's Common Sense is today. Controversial? Somewhat eccentric? So was Paine. Keep 'em coming, Mike. We need you.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: Go, Mike, Go! Posted by: WitchyNy
» RE: Go, Mike, Go! Posted by: Basenjis
With friends like this...
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 18, 2005 4:13 AM   
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Could not believe my ears when after the election, people within the Democratic party complained about Michael Moore. Come on, guys (and they're all guys as far as I can see)! Michael Moore probably turned out more voters than any of you did. You just didn't like it because he labelled this ugly war in Iraq for the travesty it is, and time has shown how right he was. Now you're probably worried that he'll suppress those big drug company donations. Sicko, indeed!

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» RE: With friends like this... Posted by: hhartman
» RE: With friends like this... Posted by: Basenjis
So what?
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Aug 18, 2005 4:15 AM   
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Maybe Mike can get his new DNC friends to go. I could care less.

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Moore hasn't hurt the left.
Posted by: kittynboi on Aug 18, 2005 4:55 AM   
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Lets dispense with the allegations that Moore hurts the left. The majority of hard core Moore haters are people who already hated the left anyway.

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Futurelooking
Posted by: betterfuture on Aug 18, 2005 5:20 AM   
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Asking questions and making people aware of situations in our country is essential. It is important to challange Rush Limbaugh with his unfactual information.

What is america waiting for to show dissent?....A third stolen election? our future is being destroyed in front of our eyes- children our dying in Iraq, the world hates americans, our deficit is enormous (thanks in part to Bush's tax cuts and a war that is based upon lies) and we are losing good paying jobs daily.

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Michael Moore you are so cool!!!
Posted by: Bev on Aug 18, 2005 5:20 AM   
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Thank you, Mike, for doing what you do. I wish there were more people in the movie industry that would just stop making trashy, violent flicks and put out something that really matters.

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big fuss
Posted by: jezzigogs on Aug 18, 2005 5:30 AM   
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Hey I love the word "discombobulate"
According to my Shorter Oxford Dictionary it means disturb, upset, disconcert. Right On!
Apparantly "discombobulation" has not been in common usage since M19.
I always thought it was "discombustulate" which I used to describe a machine who's fires have gone out.
As in the f....g car has discombustulated (itself (on the side of the road.. etc
cheers
jezz

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My Hero
Posted by: Sandra on Aug 18, 2005 5:40 AM   
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Michael Moore is my hero. I can't think of anyone who has put his finger on the pulse of the concerns for the country. His documentary "Roger and Me" which so beautifully painted big corporations, to gun violence in "Columbine" to our lying president and his personal war in Iraq. Keep up the good work Michael. You are a voice for we the people.

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Thanks Mike
Posted by: expat in tokyo on Aug 18, 2005 5:50 AM   
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I hate to insult Michael Moore this way.. but he IS the Rush Limbaugh of the Left.. without the presciption drug problem. And once the left realizes this and stop demonizing him as the right would never do of Rush.. the better off they will be!! God the right learned this years ago... why havent we caught up??

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» RE: Thanks Mike Posted by: Fade
Moore would be more respected..
Posted by: bettsoff on Aug 18, 2005 5:53 AM   
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if he stuck to the facts and stopped dressing up documentaries in emotional propaganda. Of course, if he didn't do just that, he'd probably have the same amount of impact on the populace as Ken Burns.

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» RE: Moore would be more respected.. Posted by: Asses of Evil
» What melodramatic??? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
The truth and nothing but the truth.
Posted by: Clare on Aug 18, 2005 6:00 AM   
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This is exactly what we need, someone, who is not afraid to go up against the drug companies.

They failed to issue warnings which led to more suicides, homicides, school
shooters and mothers killing their own children. 36 million Americans are taking these antidepressant drugs.

These are extremely dangerous drugs.

Go get them, Mike

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Michael Moore is a true American Patriot !!!!
Posted by: RayP on Aug 18, 2005 6:08 AM   
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People like Michael Moore, who call someone's hand on something are those who are TRULY patriotic. After all, the US Government is of the people, for the people, but also BY the people. Those who do not get involved in their the affairs of their country are not going by the Constitution.

Michael Moore is now planning to expose the evils of certain people involved in the health care industry. This certainly needed to have been done years ago. Far too many people are unware of the critical situation that our health care system is in. By exposing it, more people will be enlightened of what is going on. And they should then join in to do something about it.

However, making such a documentary requires having 100 % FACTS to support the cause. If too much propaganda and rumors are used, then the doc becomes ineffective.

I feel the Government needs to regulate the health care system more. Health care is an "essential need". It should be affordable for ALL citizens. Making huge profits from the medical ailments of people is nothing but evil. It is true that health care workers should be justly compensated, but there is no reason that a bunch of greedy investors should make a killing on a person's misfortune. Likewise, officers of health care companies should be justly compensated, not drawing huge, excessive salaries made off of the essential needs of people.

This applies to for-profit hospitals, officers in non-profit hospitals drawing huge salaries and abusing the organizations, the for-profit drug companies and health care equipment manufacturers.

A move should be made to convert all of such companies into non-profit organizations, where donations could fund medical research, technology development, and development of cures for diseases. Invididuals could invest in the ventures by financing the operations with BONDS rather than CAPITAL STOCK. This would speed up efforts to totally cure diseases, rather than provide treatment for them, and to make money off of producing the treatments. There would then be more incentives to cure cancer and other diseases, rather than just merely treating them. The American Cancer Society cannot do it alone !

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Everyone gets sick...
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 18, 2005 6:09 AM   
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An expose on the health care system may end up drawing more mainstream people back to him. That's an issue everyone worries about.

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» RE: veryone gets sick... Posted by: RayP
» RE: veryone gets sick... Posted by: bettsoff
» RE: veryone gets sick... Posted by: JoeEbola
do they have something to hide?
Posted by: utatke on Aug 18, 2005 6:11 AM   
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If the drug companies are so anxious about who their employees are talking to, perhaps they have something to hide! Watching the news last evening it occurred to me that the drug companies, the oil companies, insurance, and all of the other industries who have the greenbacks to pay lobbyists are taking advantage of the system. Capitalism is a system that encourages gouging and abuse of consumers, (price at the gas pump). It is a system that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor, and fosters the notion that the needs of the few, will most certainly always outweigh the needs of the many.
Michael Moore is a voice speaking out in a system that is diligent in trying to muffle him, or discredit him. He is actually only a guy who realizes what most of the rest of us poor stiffs already know. He is just doing something about it in what he views is the best possible medium.

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Michael Moore cares.....
Posted by: mykeadams on Aug 18, 2005 6:19 AM   
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and he has my support 100%!!

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Rush Limbaugh decries the first amendment?
Posted by: Envi on Aug 18, 2005 6:34 AM   
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Rush Limbaugh allowed that he would see a law that would deport "anybody who speaks out against this country."

Wow! Rush may not realize it, but he certainly let the cat out of the bag this time! How revealing that he thinks we should restrict freedom of speech and deport anyone who violates the restrictions! I'd love to see this comment broadcasted nationwide and see how many of his repugnican buddies stand behind him.

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Get health ins companies too, Michael!
Posted by: nise52 on Aug 18, 2005 7:03 AM   
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I worked 14 yrs for a major health ins company in Ohio. Company policy was to only reopen/pay denied claims "on a complaint basis only". In other words, only if someone bitched. And even then, we had to use every device possible to deny the claim again and save the company $$. And yes, this WAS corporate policy and all levels of management used it as their mantra. I saw prosthetics for mastectomy patients and wigs for cancer victims denied as being "cosmetic" while penile implants for middle-aged men were approved (these were the "blow up" devices to achieve erection). They were approved because a committee of men had decided they were necessary for the psychological "well-being" of the men afflicted. Michael Moore should include these companies in his expose of the health industry so all the dirty players are revealed--not just the pharmaceuticals.

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More power to ya, Michael!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 18, 2005 7:23 AM   
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The hysterics of the right-wing at the slightest hint of criticism merely proves to highlight their hypocrisy.

To quote Shakespeare: "Methinks they doth protest too much".

They know that the mess of a health care system that we have is ripe for some fresh air and critical appraisal. They know it and are terrified of it.

Michael's documentaries, starting with "Roger and Me", have been absolutely spot-on. I am excited that he is now taking on the health care industry.

Go Michael, Go!!!!

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stir up the pot Mike !
Posted by: cobrajet on Aug 18, 2005 8:28 AM   
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Many people say his Farenhiet movie was bunk, but at least it stirred people up to go find out the truth themselves ! His movies get people interested in public affairs, and if he can bring some visibility to the corporate drug pushers, then thats great ! Americans need to wake up and realize that the drug companies are pushing these drugs on us for profits. Drugs for ADD ? Try a proper diet, instead of complex carbs and sugar. GO get em Miichael, expose their dirty deeds.

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Playing Devil's Advocate
Posted by: crz53 on Aug 18, 2005 8:59 AM   
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Before I say this, I should mention that I love Moore's books and movies. I credit "Dude, where's my country?" with being the thing that really pushed me into political and social activism.

Having said that, I've checked some of the anti-Moore sites, just so that I could see for myself what sort of things they were saying. For F911, I couldn't find any arguments against it that held water. As for Bowling for Columbine, there did appear to be some parts where Moore used some "creative editing" to strengthen his points. I don't think he actually lied, but there were times where he at least seemed to be playing the semantics game as well as Clinton or Bush ever did. The shame is that things like that only give ammunition to conservatives, when in fact I'm sure he could have made just as good a movie playing it a little more straight. I'm not suggesting that he tone down his aggressively humorous style at all, just that he shouldn't leave himself so open to easy attacks.

Also, I went to the website for the movie "Michael Moore hates America". Now, I haven't seen the whole movie, but I did watch the clips that were posted on the website. The premise is that it's supposed to be something of a satire of "Roger&Me". In it, the director goes on this goose-chase trying (unsuccessfully) to track down an interview with the high and mighty Michael Moore. In one clip, he is at some public event and shouts his request to Moore. Michael responds by saying that he won't do an interview because he doesn't appear in other people's movies. A split screen then scrolls down a list of several movies that he has in fact appeared in, some of which I've seen. Now, love him or not, the guy did just get caught in a lie. The effect is that he comes off just like the CEO of GM in "Roger&Me". I can understand why the guy wouldn't want to do an interview for a movie that's sole purpose is to attack him, but that's just throwing gas on a fire.

Ultimately, I think liberals need to be willing to take the bad with the good when it comes to Michael Moore. If we try to defend him as a neutral, unbiased documentarian who has no character flaws, we're only making the Right's arguments easier for them.

All that being said, I can't wait to see the new movie. Single-payer universal health care NOW!
- Mike Lorenz

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» RE: Playing Devil's Advocate Posted by: wheresarah
Moore DOESN'T equal Limbaugh
Posted by: truthtopower on Aug 18, 2005 9:24 AM   
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Moore will cherry pick information, and play semantic games... but the people at Fox News and Rush Limbaugh just make stuff up out of whole cloth. You're comparing distorting to flat out lying, and yes there is a very big difference between those.

I prefer my news straight and unbiased, but I enjoy Michael Moore because, especially until F 9/11 came out, the left really needed a cheerleader. I don't know if people remember the emotions running in this country up until the summer of 2004, but if you remember Air America hadn't only a few stations, and the entire media wouldn't say anything about what was going on or anything negative about Bush. That meant omitting the truth.

I read the NYT every single morning after 9/11 for a year or so straight. I got turned onto Noam Chomsky's critiques of the NYT several years later, and I have to say he's right. What they didn't cover, or buried in the back... I'm sorry, but they're no better than Michael Moore. In fact looking at the big picture the NYTimes is worse. Judith Miller gave credence to the WMD claims on the headlines, while all the worthwhile media pointed out that claim was full of holes. They wouldn't cover the Patriot Act II draft until there was so much press about it on the internet that Ashcroft actually had to do a nationwide tour. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when they put Bush's cutting of the Air Marshall's and airport screeners on the op-ed page. At the same time Clear Channel rock stations were hyping how homeland security had expanded lists of what the screeners should be looking for...

What difference does that make when you're laying those people off?

Moore, Air America, they do dig up the stories that are too hot to handle (too embarrassing for those in power), like Bush's Air National Guard record... NYT etc. are living in a fantasy world just by omission. And those stories, the too hot to handle stories, are by definition the most important ones.

It wasn't good before the fairness doctrine lapsed either. In the Iranian hostage crisis, the media NEVER mentioned that the CIA overthrew the democratically elected Mosadeq, that we reinstalled a brutal dictator...

The NYT is anything but unbiased, and it's obvious they have to kiss ass for access to politicians, etc. Plus they are owned in part by the Carlyle Group (Bush family)

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Don't Confuse "Democrats" with "Left"
Posted by: hbw on Aug 18, 2005 9:31 AM   
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The DNC and DLC types who are maligning Michael Moore are DINOs (Democrats in Name Only). They're suits. They're Establishment. They're Clintonoids. If they're on the "left" it's only from a skewed perspective, being to the left of the current White House, but they're still to the right of where most of the world puts the center.

The real left doesn't just talk about helping the working people; they propose some programs to provide working people with direct benefits, and work to eliminate to modify programs that hurt. They certainly don't vote to give a guy like Dubya war powers. They don't put any stock in the fallacious doctrine of Corporate Personhood. I could go on, but it's lunch time.

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Michael Moore Is An American
Posted by: nakis on Aug 18, 2005 9:47 AM   
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One thing that these right wing nut jobs keep failing to point out over their insane ramblings is that Michael Moore is an American. A self made patriot. He exemplifies the truest sense of what it means to be patriotic. To put yourself on the line day in and day out for what you believe in. Exposing the truch and the malign.

I do not agree completely with Michael Moore but I wholely support what he does. Even if his works border on dramatic or maybe offer some skewed views (which I don't believe he does) then you have to realize that is part of truth that he is trying to impart. Not just the facts speak the truth but the presentation. This is part of film making. Part of getting the story out.
And you'll never find anything remotely Limbaugh or Hannityesque in his works. Fortunately so, he relies on the facts instead of cooking things up, misrepresenting facts or downright lying and hypocrisy that seems to be part of tool bin for the right wing (can't call them journalists) nut cases.

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Americans might be more receptive now
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Aug 18, 2005 9:52 AM   
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Given how everything is blowing up in Monkey Boy's face at the moment and the scales are coming off the eyes of many people, perhaps he'll get a fairer hearing this time round. Or not.

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Not health care system, but sickness care system
Posted by: claw on Aug 18, 2005 10:10 AM   
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If Michael Moore's new film will indeed be titled "Sicko" it's very apt. The U.S. does not have a health care industry or system or providers. It has a sickness care system that's focused on cut (surgery), burn (radiation), and poison (drugs - and they ARE drugs in the negative sense). That's why Big Pharma has so much clout, as the focus is to make as many people as possible dependent on their drugs to rake in the dollars. Very few of the drugs really treat, much less cure. Research has proved this. The drugs alleviate symptoms just enough to make you think that's the best you can do. It is not. There are many other alternatives, but they require discipline, true caring, and commitment on the part of the people we elect and on the part of we the people. Cleaning up the environment, banning pesticide use for lawns (for Gosh sakes, what nutritional purpose does a lawn serve?), focusing on agriculture that's sustainable and organic, less research money on genetics and more put into environmentally clean and life-sustaining workplaces, neighborhoods, etc. That's more difficult. Drugs are easy. Doing things the easy way is what's gotten us into the horrible mess we have on the planet, apart from the killing and the wars. Yeah for Michael!

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Thank God
Posted by: LoisC on Aug 18, 2005 10:24 AM   
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I'm so glad Moore is going to take on the health care system, or better stated as the "disease care system".

I hope he informs many of the genocide that the food and drug companies are promoting to the world. The poison for profit has got to stop, but it won't until more and more people become informed of how the system works.

I think when a drug kills people then all those responsible for creating, approving and marketing that drug should be in prison for murder. Vioxx alone killed 56,000 people and they are still pushing that drug. Is it enough that the drug companies get fined for these deaths. Isn't murder against the law?

Look at all the tests doctors give to determine if someone has cancer and it can be determined by a simple urine test.

The FDA block vitamins and minerals from sale in the US which can be used to prevent and cure diseases, because then people won't need the drugs to make them dependent and sick constantly.

Look around you at how many people are dealing with various illnesses, and new ones appear all the time. They are actually creating the diseases to then sell their drugs which just cause more problems.

I wish Michael the best of luck because I know what he's up against.

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Disease care
Posted by: Meta4Life on Aug 18, 2005 10:37 AM   
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I hesitate to write this, mostly because I am terribly ambivalent about Mr. Moore's ability to play fast and loose with the facts while presenting hard truths that the American public needs to hear. The mixing of innuendo with fact disturbs me enough to make me wary of saying this, but:

If Mr. Moore and his crew need yet another truly horrifying story of what disease care really is in this country, his staff is welcome to email me at songstress at vetl dot org. The story in question involves my 21 year old son and his nightmare ordeal in this sicko system. And it's not over yet.

If he's very lucky, and if we his parents continue to stand up and scream loudly enough, he may just get to keep his leg....

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Traverse City NOT economically distressed
Posted by: echines on Aug 18, 2005 11:20 AM   
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Fine article, except for the fact that Traverse City is really no more "economically distressed" than any other town in the country.

It's a tourist economy, so it has it's drawbacks, but we aren't as bad off as many other places in this state.

The festival, btw, went off quite well. In spite of some conservative griping, Moore's event was a true community affair with participation from all over the political spectrum.

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» Beg to differ Posted by: Michiganman
"If You Don't Stand for Something, You'll Fall for Anything"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 18, 2005 11:25 AM   
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Quoteth Al From, CEO of the DLC: "We can't have our party identified by Michael Moore and Hollywood as our cultural values." Maybe not, but at least it would be identified with SOME worthwhile values. As it is, they don't seem to be much more than "Republican Lite" (all the better not to ruffle the corporate feathers.) At least Michael Moore takes a stand, rather than constantly checking from which direction the political wind (and contributions) are coming.

With the politics of greed and naked ambition now infecting the entire system, thank God there are till a few people with the guts to tell it like it is – like Michael Moore.

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Patriot
Posted by: noelahg on Aug 18, 2005 11:57 AM   
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Without a patriot like Moore, we would still be under the thumb of a monarch. It's ok to not like or disagree with what he has to say. The important thing is that he can say it.

On another note, do people really agree with the vitriol that comes from Limbaughs mouth? What value can be found in his words? Not once have I seen Moore attack ANYONE verbally. He simply puts forth fact, and the truth in the absurdity (can anyone forget him asking politicians to sign their kids up for the military) becomes the attack. That is intelligent. Limbaugh takes the role of school bully. Never underestimate the human ability to lie to ones self.

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» RE: Patriot Posted by: Bearzerker
Just Imagine....
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 18, 2005 12:17 PM   
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Pity the poor Conservatives, whomever these people are out here in the good ole Red, White & Blue country. They're steamed over a film that's yet to be made, and they're crying foul! Tsk, tsk.
Now only imagine if Steven Spielberg or another prominent filmmaker made any one of Michael Moore's films and you can bet the C's would be singing a different tune. Well, you C's, Moore doesn't make "E.T."-type flicks. He would rather focus his talent on what ails America: gun violence, factory closings, and foreign policy problems.
These films aren't "anti"-anything; they tell the truth in which the C's can't see beyond the flag. It's not hard to imagine, therefore, seeing these C's expending so much nervous energy over Moore's films. It's only movie, folks, so just chill.
But if the C's didn't have Moore to bitch about you know they'll find someone or something to moan over. It'll never end with the C's until their agenda is stamped over everything, and this prevents new ideas from entering our political and cultural landscape.

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This is cool.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Aug 18, 2005 12:22 PM   
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Usually all I see, read, and hear about Micheal Moore is negative. It is good to see that there are people that like him. I have read Downsize This. I liked it alot. I never got any idea from it that Moore hated america. He does not show much approval for greed, deceit, and stupidity though.

I have not read any other of his books but I am inclined to think I will read any of them I come across. I have not seen any of his movies yet. What little I have picked up on about Fahrenheit 9/11 makes me think it is concerned with the bush administrations incompetence instead of complicity therefore it may not go far enough in my opinion.

I can only guess that any democrats that deride Moore are nothing but republicans in disguise.

After this documentary, I hope he will do one about hemp, all its uses, and how it has been demonized. It would make another good documentary about how corporate america and the government has sold out the american public, weakened us economically, and poisoned the environment.

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» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
Why Moore Scares the Powers That Be
Posted by: Chris420 on Aug 18, 2005 12:40 PM   
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In a nation inundated by movies like "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo" and "Dukes of Hazzard", to name only two recent abominations, Moore's films represent a threat because they're ABOUT something, they force you to THINK about some of the real problems in this country. The powers that be don't want us to think about these things, because we might stop being good little consumers and start trying to change things through activism. We're supposed to be passive ovines who do what we're told when we're told to do it. I wish Michael Moore continued success in stirring up the sheep.

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Help! Confusion abounds...
Posted by: ssantee on Aug 18, 2005 3:23 PM   
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So what exactly, in a free society, makes any one man liable for any other mans problems? Wouldn't the constitutional guarantee of privacy imply the right to keep your nose, and therefore your wallet, out of other individuals problems?
Have we forgotten that we are a nation of individuals? Why are we fighting so hard to attain communal society? Why is everything the Presidents fault? Why does every little problem have to be confronted by the national government? Why can't localities and individuals deal with their own problems? Why do we work a quarter or so of our year to support "the people", whomever they are?

Why is Michael Moore so convinced that the government, which he apparently hates, should be given more power to control our lives? Why would having guns available only on the back market help anything? (The approach did nothing for drugs)

Why is health care so expensive to begin with? Could it be because insurance allows hospitals to charge more than the average individual can afford, and get away with it? What if there were no insurance? Has insurance removed "the market" from healthcare? Without insurance, would doctors be forced to accept reasonable prices for their services or face going out of business? I am especially interested in thoughts on this idea. If the government took over healthcare, would the hospitals be able to demand more? Government is known for its inefficiency...


What is up with all of these calls for troop increases or changes in strategy? Since when did we become a nation of military strategists? If we were, would we not have won already? How do you define "winning" in a war? What would make you folks, whom consider yourself liberal, consider the Iraq war a success?

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» RE: Help! Confusion abounds... Posted by: Basenjis
My Home Town Hero
Posted by: WG Sprague on Aug 18, 2005 3:48 PM   
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Michael and I were born and raised in the same small, CONSERVATIVE Michigan town...population around 5,000. To me he is a true hero for exposing the lies and excesses of our "leaders"

Nothing is further from the truth than that Michael hates America. He is an ultimate partiot...always has been. He was questioning things back in Middle School. He challenged the School Board as a senior in High School...and won!

If we don't question what happens around us then those in power will continue to grab more and more power until we all are left wondering what happened. People like Michael keep us vigilant. And, for crying out loud don't you see his humor??

He doesn't play fast and loose with the facts he just throws the ridiculous ones back at the creators of those facts. He pokes fun at them. He prompts them into becoming a caricature of themselves. Don't you get it?! To me, Michael Moore is a combination of Time and Mad Magazine come alive ... holding up serious issues for all of us to ponder, albeit with wit and a wink when it fits. He is indeed a treasure. He knows what buttons to hit and how hard to hit them. I hope we get a lot more from him.

Thanks, Michael. You do Davison proud even if the neo-cons there don't understand it yet. Maybe in the next life, huh?!

Ron Jones

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HEALTH CARE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO MILLIONS IN AMERICA!
Posted by: becky141 on Aug 18, 2005 5:36 PM   
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Seems to me Michael Moore deserves our THANKS for taking on issues long before anybody else will commit. Far too many people in the USA do not have access to health care. When you work for $7.00 an hour, average wage in lots and lots of areas of the South right now, it takes you a bout three days work to afford to see a doctor. No health insurance is included with these Wal-Mart inspired jobs, of course. Rent and food takes precedence over doctors every time, and there's not enough left for bare survival, much less prescription drugs if you could get to a doc.

What happens if you have an accident that puts you out of commission without surgery? GOOD LUCK! Hospitals refuse to "rent" out their expensive operating theater for 45 minutes for less than $17,000, and if you can't pay at least $4,000 up-front, you will not get treated. If you can find a doctor who will do the surgery. Certainly, you won't go back to work until you have the expensive surgery. Medicaid or other government-sponsored help? Not unless you have small children. Free clinics? Few and very far in between.

Most people reading these posts don't seem to have a clue about the way at least 75% of America lives right now. The greatly hailed Trickle-down Reagonomics of the Conservatives has worked bloody well - for a small group of elite and greedy entrepreneurs who have kept it all for themselves.

Maybe that's why I'm a bona-fide Michael Moore fan. He starts with the little guy, the one who gets "tapped" for a dangerous war because he needs the money and doesn't have much other opportunity in this celebrated bastion of Capitalism. Moore displays the "facts" according to the way it really is for that segment of society. Maybe those of you who fault his documentary need to walk in the shoes of the majority before you put him down for his emotionalism or his "slanted" views.

Appreciate his humor and his use of irony. What's a few exaggerated facts compared to the bald-faced lies of a sitting President???

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Traverse City was GREAT!
Posted by: Michiganman on Aug 18, 2005 7:55 PM   
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I live very close to Traverse City (Michigan) and attended the film festival. It was a great boost for our ailing area. The counter festival which took place was such a dismal failure that even the anchorman on conservative owned 9&10 news smirked when reporting it.That's right we are so rural 1 station owns two numbers. Anyway three cheers Michael, everyone was so thrilled by the shot in the arm the right and left came together! Scarey ain't it. For 1 day we were all AMERICANS!

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Impugn Michael Moore?
Posted by: kevns007 on Aug 19, 2005 9:00 AM   
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Why the hell would any liberal denigrate Michael Moore? He's a truth teller, and tells the truth in a very articulate manner. I can see whacked-out conservatives who are threatened by the truth being threatened by Moore, but not progressives. I don' t understand why they call Moore an extremist. Truth, evidently, is extreme in the mind of religiously insane, emotionally ill conservatives.

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about the health issue .
Posted by: kbrightwelll@earthlink.net on Aug 19, 2005 9:37 AM   
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Mike keep up the good work .

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Liberal bashing conservatives.
Posted by: spirit on Aug 19, 2005 6:40 PM   
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The hardest thing for Republicans to accept is that Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. The more liberal you are, the more intelligent you are. Its that simple. Liberals are open-minded and welcome new ideas. Conservatives are close-minded and averse to anything new. Liberals are also more independent and they do their own thinking. Republicans have to huddle together and cling to old moldy conservative doctrine. I sure am glad I'm a Liberal!

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Go Get Em, Mike
Posted by: peggyt on Aug 20, 2005 6:19 AM   
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Can't believe someone would point to alleged needless deaths in Canada due to waiting lists. We have 80 million without any health care, millions more with substandard health insurance. The estimates of unnecessary deaths in this country run into the hundreds of thousands.

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Im glad that michael moore is the true face of the democratic party.
Posted by: flatulence on Aug 22, 2005 4:37 AM   
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He makes it easy for conservatives to win elections.
Oh and im afraid he isnt patriotic. at all

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@Where's the Book?
Posted by: jasonpick on Nov 3, 2005 10:53 PM   
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Why isnt there a book like the one for farenhiet?
Cant wait for this film 'cause Mike isn't afraid to tell the truth... the conservative trolls are already scared:)

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