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Why I'm Still 'Thuy' and not 'Jane' or 'Susie'

By Thuy Ngo, Pacific News Service. Posted August 18, 2005.


A young Vietnamese American woman tells why she kept her given name, but compromised on its pronunciation.
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I chose to keep my father's name when my mother remarried. I chose to keep my given Vietnamese name when everyone was changing theirs to Cathy or Jennifer. Really, what else do I have to show that I am Vietnamese?

On my mom's side, five out of the seven women in my family adopted American names, like Jasmine or Karen. In school, I would see girls named Linda, Anne or Susie whom I know weren't called that by their mothers.

I respect their decision to make their names into something easier for others to pronounce and understand. A name is an important thing, and being able to create your own is powerful. It means you can choose your own identity over the one your parents chose for you. But I made a different choice.

Unlike many other Asians, I was not teased when was I growing up because of my name. This was because I was raised in San Jose, where minorities are the majority. There are more "Bao's" and "Jose's" than "Bills" or "Janes." In school, my classes were filled with other Vietnamese students. At home, we spoke Vietnamese, but in school we spoke English to each other -- if we didn't, we were labeled as FOBs (for "fresh off the boat").

My mother made great attempts to preserve our home language of Vietnamese by pretending she did not understand us when we spoke English to her. But because of school, even my Vietnamese took on an American accent. Eventually, that included the pronunciation of my own name.

Even though the schools I went to were filled with Vietnamese students, I had to Americanize my name for the teachers in order for them to pronounce it. Even then, I'd have to come up with a story to help them remember my name. I'd tell them to use the "Bingo" song:" clap, clap, N-G-O, clap , clap, N-G-O, and Thuy Ngo was her name-0." When you think about it, it's kind of sad to have to go through all of that trouble just so your teacher will remember your name.

As for my first name, they would come up with all sorts of ways to say it -- except for the way I wanted them to. Thuai, They, Tai, and Thew were among the most popular.

The proper pronunciation of my name is something along the lines of "Tuwee Ngo." To get it right, you have to raise the pitch on "Thuy" and bring forth the Ng sound from the back of your throat. It gets difficult to explain, so after a while I gave up.

I guiltily admit that with all the frustrations of trying to help people through my name, I have thought of changing it. The American names I considered were exotic ones like "Gwen," "Florence" or "Serenity." Maybe that's because, although my Vietnamese name may sound unusual to non-Vietnamese, it is actually very common -- the Vietnamese equivalent of "Jane."

These days, when I introduce myself, I use an Americanized pronunciation of my name: Twee No. This makes things easier, and I feel like the compromise fits my dual identity as an Asian American. But it also leaves me open to stereotypes. Some Asians, hearing me say my name, think of me as a "Twinkie" -- yellow on the outside, white on the inside. Other Vietnamese folks who have completely taken on an American identity see my keeping my ethnic name as implying the opposite -- there's a good chance I'm a FOB.

If I ever have kids, I might make things easier for them by doing what my mother did for my younger siblings: give them both an American and a Vietnamese name. My brother, for example, is Steve Van Nguyen, also known as Bang Van Nguyen. This way, the kid would have the option of using either name without "giving up" anything.

In the end I am keeping my name because I shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone. Plus, you have to pay money to change your name in court.

Digg!

Thuy Ngo, 21, attends San Jose State University and writes for Silicon Valley Debug.

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A hard choice
Posted by: xyz2002 on Aug 18, 2005 10:44 AM   
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I kept my Chinese given name for 9 years, but took an English name eventually as it was too hard for my colleagues and my business contacts to pronounce my name. It is really a very hard choice. BTW, why does your brother have a different family name, Ngyuen, as yours, Ngo?

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What's In a Name?
Posted by: MT512 on Aug 18, 2005 11:23 AM   
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People butcher my first and last names all the time. My first because they don't listen closely enough and, when reading, my last because they're dyslexic or lazy. Yeah, I wonder what's so hard about it sometimes, but I also know it's no big deal. Now if someone seriously says, "Nathan, Jason, Mason, whatever," then that is dismissive and insulting. So there are plenty of white euro-mutt yankees who are dense and shallow and dismissive if your name isn't as easy as "John Smith," but people worth your time will generally try to pronounce and spell your name correctly.

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» RE: What's In a Name? Posted by: philame
maybe there's more to it?
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 19, 2005 4:29 AM   
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This "euro-mutt Yankee" studied Arabic in college. Even with classes five days a week and language labs in between, it was almost two weeks before I could even _hear_ the difference between the velarized consonants, which aren't used in English, and the unvelarized ones, which are. Pronouncing them correctly took a little longer. In other words -- it may be more than cultural obtuseness that causes English-speakers to butcher names from other languages -- and speakers of any language to butcher names from any other language.

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» Of course. Posted by: nickptar
Names and stuff
Posted by: saphil@yahoo.com on Aug 19, 2005 7:10 AM   
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Names are a funny thing. I am aware that there is nobody who is as interested in my name as I am. We are all the same in this. I think this name of mine is just an index for other people to let me know they are talking to me. My name is not me, and I am not my name. Under some circumstances I have taken the "other name" to make life easier for people around me, and sometimes I break down and use one of the old family names to back people off. All of this is just a head game, because other people are not paying attention. If you said your name was See-three-pio Ngo Waldenstein, people would just nod and ask how you spell it.

Wolf Michael Th'xech'ar Halton

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names, words, whatever
Posted by: Rungle on Aug 19, 2005 7:20 AM   
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i live in australia with some of the worst pronunciation of non-english words around (the worst pronunciation of english i leave to you amerikans ;)). but does it matter? in spanish-speaking countries, pope john paul ii was known as juan-pablo. everyone's pronunciation of any language that is not their first is going to be wrong at some point. my humble opinion, as someone with a less-than-common name: it is the effort makes the massive difference, between those that at least attempt to get it right, and those who couldn't give a shit.

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Even Euro-mutt Yankees...
Posted by: bambic on Aug 19, 2005 9:03 AM   
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I was recently incarcerated for 99 days in a county jail, in Arkansas, where my name---Louise Carle---was often read out by the deputies(who are supposedly required to have their GED's, at least) as Lois Carlisle, Lewis Carroll(yep... I wrote "Alice in Wonderland"), Lisa Clark, and also Carol Lucy.
And they weren't trying to be funny, god knows...
People born and educated (?) in America have a lot of trouble with "silent 'e's" which is why my father, a radio and TV newscaster, dropped the 'e' from his last name, but due to my mother's insistance, put the 'e' back on.
Another interesting fact: approximately 20 to 25% of my fellow inmates could not read at all.

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"proving" anything
Posted by: philame on Aug 19, 2005 9:48 AM   
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Yes, the euro-mutt comment was totally out of line. That's a sort of socially acceptable racial slur, but that is a whole other can of worms I don't want to get into.

And yes a lot of us experience getting our names butchered (myself included as I explained above) but what makes this article relevant is that Thuy's name (outside of how difficult it is to pronounce) is even an issue at all. Of course there's no way of getting around that it is difficult to pronounce for the average American, but it is a shame that some people consider her a "twinkie" for Americanizing her name and other people have called her fresh off the boat for not taking a typical American name. That her name should signal something about her racial or national allegiance is the problem the way I see it.

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» Yup. Posted by: nickptar
» RE: Yup. Posted by: philame
Give us another chance
Posted by: Spud on Aug 31, 2005 4:08 PM   
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I think it's important to keep in mind that many Americans would love to learn how to pronounce your name properly if you just took the time to educate them. We tend to find it embarrassing to ask how to pronounce a word that is foreign to us because we see it as a sign of ignorance that we don't already know. The United States is still a baby as far as countries go, still developing in many ways. Even during my own youth, learning a second language was not actively encouraged or supported by the school system. It has only been in the past 20 years or so that there has been a shift toward multilingualism. Be patient with us, take us by the hand, teach us. That said, I think we all deal with mispronounciations of our names. How many of you can pronounce my Polish maiden name Lemiesz without a tutorial? I didn't consider it offensive that nobody could pronounce that correctly while I was growing up. In fact, I was always pleasantly surprised when someone could.

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did anyone read the article?
Posted by: Spot on Sep 5, 2005 3:58 PM   
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this article is not about mispronunciation. it is about one person's decision to preserve their identity in the face of immense cultural pressure to conform. thuy is remarkable for her willingness to resist the americanization of her name, not because americans have trouble pronouncing it. people like her challenge the norm that it is necessary to "fit in" in this nominally globalized culture. we do not believe in the globalization of america, we believe in the americanization of the world.

when you respect and encourage diversity, you fight against ignorance.

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» Having an open mind... Posted by: Vandelez
Twee
Posted by: Twee2010 on Sep 29, 2006 5:09 PM   
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My name is the exact same name and spelling as the one who wrote this article. I'm in an almost exact situation as Thuy Ngo( article writer). People have butchered my name but most of the time they didn't do it on purpose. Nowadays i just tell people my name is Twee only my close friends know the actual spelling of my name. I live in florida and is currently a freshman in high school. people does not often tease me about my name but there has been times when very inconsiderate people tease me. i have been thinking of changing my name to Twee, but my friends tell me to not do it because my name is unique and they like it. believe it r not most of my friends are american i only have one vietnamese friend (her name is Christina Pham).

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