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Feminists for (Fetal) Life

By Katha Pollitt, The Nation. Posted August 16, 2005.


Currently enmeshed in a massive publicity campaign, the president of FFL tries to explain why her position -- that believing in women's rights, but not in abortion -- makes sense.
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Can you be a feminist and be against abortion? Feminists for Life claims to be both, and if you listen long enough to its voluble and likable president, Serrin Foster, you might almost think it's true.

FFL is on a major publicity roll these days, because Jane Roberts, wife of Supreme Court nominee John Roberts, is a pro bono legal adviser, former officer and significant donor (she gave between $1,000 and $2,499 in 2003).

When I caught up with Foster at the end of a long day that included an hour on NPR's On Point, she talked a blue and quite amusing streak, and although it can be hard to follow an aria that swoops from Susan B. Anthony to telecommuting to water pollution, while never quite answering the actual question, I'm sure she means every word of it.

How can you argue with FFL's contention that America does not give pregnant women and mothers the support they need? Feminists, the prochoice kind, have been saying this for years. So far as I can tell, FFL is the only "pro-life" organization that talks about women's rights to work and education and the need to make both more compatible with motherhood. It has helped bring housing for mothers and children to Georgetown University and supports the Violence Against Women Act; Foster reminded me that she and I had been on the same side in the mid-1990s in opposing family caps, the denial of additional benefits to women who had more children while on welfare. Why, she wondered, couldn't we all just work together to "help pregnant women?”

The problem is that FFL doesn't just oppose abortion. FFL wants abortion to be illegal. All abortions, period, including those for rape, incest, health, major fetal defects and, although Foster resisted admitting this, even some abortions most doctors would say were necessary to save the woman's life. (Although FFL is not a Catholic organization, its rejection of therapeutic abortion follows Catholic doctrine.) FFL wants doctors who perform abortions to be punished, possibly with prison terms.

It was extremely difficult to get Foster to say what she thought would happen if abortion was banned. At one point she would not concede that women would continue to have abortions if it was recriminalized; at another she argued that criminalization was no big deal: Instructions on self-abortion were posted on the Internet.

I had to work to get her to admit that illegal abortion was common before Roe, and that it was dangerous--numbers on abortion deaths were concocted by pre-Roe legalization advocates, she told me. Yet the FFL website prominently features gory stories of abortion mishaps and discredited claims that abortion causes breast cancer. (Challenged on the cancer connection, Foster says they just want women to have medical information. Asked why they don't then link to the 2004 Lancet article debunking their cancer claims, she says they are not medical experts and have considered taking the cancer pages down.)

So legal abortion is dangerous but illegal abortion would be safe? When I pointed out that in countries where the operation is banned, such as Brazil and Peru, rates are sky-high and abortion a major cause of injury and death, she professed ignorance.


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Katha Pollitt is a columnist for The Nation.

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Posted by: Stirling on Aug 16, 2005 6:07 AM   
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I am 67 now, no longer is abortion an issue for me. But, I did have an unwanted prenancy that I interupted with a sprint to the top of the Bunker Hill Monument. A brisk tennis game was another option of choice. Nobody thinks abortion is a good thing. However, our moral take on the procedure isn't the point. The point is that women seek abortions and always will. Safe and legal is the best, and safest option.

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Thank you for this wonderful article!
Posted by: rebeers01 on Aug 16, 2005 6:18 AM   
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Thank you for this critical assessment of 'Feminists' for life. As a women's health nurse, a college student, and the president of a feminist organization on campus, this article is much needed. A leader came to our campus (in the Bible buckle of N.C.) last semester, and she said the same exact things that were mentioned in the article.

When I questioned her about emergency contraception, she said that the Roman Catholic church said it was okay to take e.c. if you knew your cycle and could tell when you were ovulating. If you were not ovulating, then it was okay to take e.c. She did not give me time during the question and answer period to explain why this was the craziest thing I had ever heard! Very few women know when they are truly ovulating, and even if they did, the church wants you only to take e.c. when you're not fertile!

The most assinine thing she said was that she claimed their wasn't a real "population problem in the world, because I didn't see anybody driving from Raliegh to Charlotte (chuckle)." Completing denying the issue of overpopulation is exactly what the Catholics (who sponsored the event) wanted to hear.

The whole speech given by the leader didn't sound feminist, it sounded oppressive. Sure, let women go to college, but keep them virginal or keep them pregnant with babies. The older nurses I work with have horror stories about caring for women pre-Roe v. Wade, and as a women's health nurse in the 21st century, I do not want to experience this myself.

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well argued
Posted by: karyse on Aug 16, 2005 7:01 AM   
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It's amazing that this country can produce a critical thinker such as Katha while at the same time producing the kind of thinker that cannot be swayed by rational argument.

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As a man, I'm scared
Posted by: vic5542 on Aug 16, 2005 7:09 AM   
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I am one who, like the article states, first heard of FFL after Roberts' nomination and the subsequent disclosure of his wife's involvement with FFL. After reading the above article, I was surprised to learn that this organization has been around since 1972 and has been actively working on college campuses since at least the mid-90s.

A critical look at the FFL web site and perusal of FFL public statements and programs shows that, at least in its present form, FFL is in line with today's powers-that-be. And the current FFL message is a most insidious attack on a 'woman's choice': it's pure propaganda, chock full of well-reasoned statements that are utterly false but couched in either 'rational' (but false) arguments or flat-out appeals to emotion.

I'm forwarding this article to all of my friends and hoping that this doesn't help to further the FFL message, rather that it will instigate a stronger voice against it. This message will include my plea that we contact our senators and urge hard questioning on this issue (and others) during Roberts' confirmation hearing(s). If this issue, in particular, is not addressed, we should demand our Democratic senators fiibuster Roberts' nomination for the open SCOTUS position.

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Waterman
Posted by: happybear on Aug 16, 2005 7:16 AM   
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I have heard many arguments for abortion. Each of them discount the fetus as a viable entity, and focus on the rights of the woman. While this is apparently a sound argument, I think an important issue is overlooked, one which bears directly on the mother, but also includes the father. There are a couple of ways to have sex without the risk of pregnancy. Sex without a partner is one way, and sex with a partner of the same sex is another; there is no risk of preganancy with either method. But when a person engages with another person to enjoy sexual relations, there is always the risk of pregnancy if the partners are of opposite sexes. No pill or other method is 100% effective, so the act itself is not without risk. When pregnancy occurs, it is a direct result of having sex. While this may sound self-explanatory, it apparently is not a concern for those who try sex for pleasure, and are not ready to accept the risks involved. Someone, either one or both of the participants, is responsible for the life started. The "Right-To-Life" or "Right-To-Chose" issue is irrelavent after the initial choice to engage in sex is made. Therefore, responsibility is the key issue when determining the legality of abortion. Then, if the primary reason for the abortion is avoidance of that responsibility, the issue is made moot; each person is required to accept responsibility for his/her actions, and must pay whatever demands are required to meet that responsibility. The "Right-To-Choose" is exercised by having sex with someone of the opposite sex, and there can be no further choices allowed except to accept the risks and responsibilities.

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Hypocrites
Posted by: nanobubble on Aug 16, 2005 7:22 AM   
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"The problem is that FFL doesn't just oppose abortion. FFL wants abortion to be illegal. All abortions, period, including those for rape, incest, health, major fetal defects and, although Foster resisted admitting this, even some abortions most doctors would say were necessary to save the woman's life."

In my opinion, you can't have that stance and suggest you support women's rights, because you just shit all over them. FFL is a walking paradox of anti-abortion wingnuts who've been brainwashed into 'supporting women' by destroying their reproductive freedom.

Sad, but unsurprising.

I'm sure Coulter and Malkin would agree with supporting their gender's rights while destroying their freedom - it's a good thing(tm)

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Headline
Posted by: Olympiada on Aug 16, 2005 7:23 AM   
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When I first saw this headline I thought "Oh good I can email this to my dad. He reads The Nation. He will listen to this." Then when I actually read the article, my heart sank. This does not sound good at all. That is all I can say. I do not think feminist and pro-life go together unfortunately, is what I gather from this article. Personally I have had to make some radical choices in my life to avoid a second pregnancy, like get a divorce, that is how serious I am about finishing my degree and elevating my career status. And I was roasted over the fire by my previous faith community for doing so. I for my self have always known since I was a teenager that sexual activity could result in pregnancy despite the use of birth control. I, in my mind, can not separate the pro-creative potential of sexual activity. I think that birth control requires co-operation on the part of the man, and the best way to deal with it is to understand the fertility of the woman, because the man is always fertile. I personally would like to see more fertility awareness in the media for girls. Like as soon as they get their first period, they know how to chart their fertility signals. Now that is true empowerment.

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Follow the Money
Posted by: janvdb on Aug 16, 2005 7:32 AM   
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I'd like to know who is funding this organization.

They owe us all a complete revelation of their sources of funding.

Of course, there will be some money coming in from individual women who actually buy this self-contradictory line, but I'll pay $1000 to anyone who can prove with solid evidence that small, individual, female donors are providing more than 50% of the money behind FFL. I will even allow them to include donations from bought-meat wives of rich men among "small, individual female donors."

I'll bet right now that most of the money behind this thing (which is getting a lot of press and looks "genuine" because they have found a few women willing to delude themselves long enough to get their female faces in front of cameras in return for that probably-generous salary) is coming from male-dominated, corporate-funded or religious groups.

Ditto for the so-called "Independent Women's Forum." What a reliably anti-female mouthpiece for the right. These outfits are being set up by rightwing men and they are very wellfunded -- probably by the usual rightwing suspects.

Come on, ladies, level with us. How much are you being paid and where is the money coming from?

I'll pay $1000 by immediate bank transfer to anyone who can prove to me that these women who are earning their livings spouting this nonsense aren't just on the take from corporate-funded rightwing organizations just like most of the "intellectuals" on the right.

The rich guys who pocket much of the proceeds from corporate activity want to keep the Republicans in power and are more than willing to shell out to keep this type of bought-meat female face in the news.

Why don't they just call themselves the Bought-Out Females for Messing Up Others' Lives So Ours Can Be Comfortable?

Or prove differently in the press.

Let's see the numbers, ladies.

Jan VanDenBerg
janvdb@stanfordalumni.org

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My take on John Roberts
Posted by: kww355 on Aug 16, 2005 8:43 AM   
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I have read two quotes from legal briefs written by Roberts on the subject of Roe v. Wade. The first statement is that "Roe V. Wade is the settled law of the land". The second is that the federal government shouldn't interfere in this matter and that it should be a state's rights issue.

THIS is their strategy: if Roberts gets confirmed, RVW will be overturned on the specious argument that it never SHOULD have been the province of the federal government and will be returned to the individual state governments to make the call. Then they will tell you that abortion is still legal (they've washed their hands of it & reverted it back to the states for individual votes ). This is disingenious at best. Sure, you can still terminate an unwanted pregnancy...but you'll probably have to travel to New York or California to do it !!!

I drove a friend from Cincinnati to New York City to get an abortion in 1970. We drove round trip in a weekend so she could return to work on Monday. She nearly died from lack of local follow up care.

Regardless if it's Roberts or someone else, this regime is going to pack the Supreme Court and "spin" Roe V. Wade into oblivion.

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Roberts love you... and your unequal paycheck
Posted by: nanobubble on Aug 16, 2005 8:57 AM   
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"As an assistant White House counsel in 1984, John Roberts scoffed at the notion that men and women should earn equal pay in jobs of comparable importance, and he belittled three female Republican members of Congress who promoted that idea to the Reagan administration."

There's nothing like being so-called "feminist" and being married to someone like that. It must take a lot of tolerance and circumvention of your principles...

Or, you could not be a "feminist" at all

Brings a new slogan to mind
Republicans: We'll never know

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Why Bother With An Interview?
Posted by: PF68 on Aug 16, 2005 9:30 AM   
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It's clear that Katha went into this "interview" with the sole purpose of furthering her own agenda. Hostile much? It's yet another example of how self-professed keepers of society are clueless when it comes to furthering humanity's progress and evolution. Guppies eat their young; human beings should be able to strike a balance between their own self-driven interests and accepting life that they're responsible for creating. Bravo FFL! Keep up the great work, Serrin!

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» RE: Why Bother With An Interview? Posted by: kj_jazzgirl13
A better solution?
Posted by: turil on Aug 16, 2005 10:11 AM   
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People who consider themselves liberal, feminist, pro-life, (I consider my self all three) might find that collaboratively working together - rather than aggressively attacking others - would get us to where we want to go.

If we actually get down to the reality of things, we'd probably realize that we share a common goal - to make the world a better place for everyone, and to find healthy solutions for problems that cause suffering.

Imagine if we diverted all the energy we spend fighting eachother towards researching and teaching solutions that actually address our problems. Why not show our compassion for women and children (and men, too) in this world by rallying the troops to demand free universal heath care, education, food, and housing for all who cannot afford it? Yes, abortion has solved some problems, but it is a sucky solution (literally) that causes suffering and is not healthy. Why not work to find a better solution?

The more time we spend blaming and whining about the "other side", the less time we have for making the world better.

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What do Women Really Want?
Posted by: Shehova on Aug 16, 2005 11:54 AM   
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Most women don't want an abortion. Most just want that option available, to know that they chose to complete that pregnancy. And why is it that men get to have sex indiscriminantly without any consequences, while women have to bear the brunt of the responsibility? If men had to bear children, abortion would not only be legal, it would be free.

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Is sperm alive?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 16, 2005 12:45 PM   
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I have always wondered why everyone accepts the Catholic idealogy that life begins only with a Fertilized egg. Isn't sperm alive? Why don't we make unauthorized sperm emissions illegal? Isn't that killing innocent sperm?

Then we can judge and lock up the men for a change.

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My Favorite Line.....
Posted by: manustrium on Aug 16, 2005 1:36 PM   
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"Exposing the constraints on women's choices, however, is only one side of feminism. The other is acknowledging women as moral agents, trusting women to decide what is best for themselves." just beatifully said!
Yet, in response to the "Why Even Give an Interview" post above, i actually had a few thoughts bordering on this. I would love to read an actual interveiw transcript. The author makes clear she had to draw some stuff out of the interveiwee. It makes me picture a O'Reilly type tactic where everything becomes black and white and the interveiwer goes on the defensive only to have have the interveiwer cut in louder and more assured "so you DO think we should kill mothers just to let their babies live if the situation came up!" Don't get me wrong here, i am not assuming that's the case but i am not really familiar with the interveiwer and don't know how she would conduct an interveiw. Just would like to see the transcripts. Until then i will check out their web site, and it may very well support the whole above article. Afterall at least the interveiwer admitted she had to pull some stuff out of her..... which is more reassuring of the authors honesty than what many other journalists would do, lol....

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Timing is the Key
Posted by: mark5761 on Aug 16, 2005 3:44 PM   
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1) I am a male, therefore I don't have ANY say in what a woman does or doesn't do with her body.

2) I make my choice at the time of intercourse. If I don't want a woman I may have sex with to have an abortion then I shouldn't have sex with her. Period.

3) The whole abortion issue is a highly effective red herring to get us off other topics like tax cuts during an occupation of a sovereign nation, or destroying social security, or wiping out the environment. The group in charge, regardless of political affiliation will always want an issue like abortion around to throw out when the scrutiny on other issues gets too intense.

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goddess90
Posted by: goddess90 on Aug 16, 2005 4:02 PM   
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I think this group is just ridiculous. Real feminists may not personaly like abortion, but they're smart and do realize that women will always want an abortion and that safe and legal is best. I heard some horror stories about back-alley abortions and it's bad. If men could get preganant, abortions would be free. I bet most of the funding for these wackjobs is old white rich men and their bimbo wives. I f you think that rape victums, after going through a tramatizing experiance should have to bear a child, you are truely a sick person. And that abortion causes breast cancer thing is ridiculous. As a future scientist, I am disgusted that some states tried to make it law that doctors lie to their patients and tell them this. The government needs to get a life and stay out of ours!

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Just Curious. . . .
Posted by: NthnBrazil on Aug 16, 2005 4:27 PM   
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It's always been my opinion that most of America if given the "choice" would allow legal abortions in the first 6 months of pregnancy and outlaw it in the final tri-mester. It seems to me that the points of view to either side of that are "extremist". One could make the slippery slope argument from either side, but I don't buy it. I think extremists on both sides are against this compromise because it might actually take hold. What are others' thoughts on this?

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This is what a feminist sounds like
Posted by: siobhank on Aug 16, 2005 5:32 PM   
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"A real feminist could not force another woman to bear a child." Didn't AlterNet deal with this a couple weeks ago?
I have two big issues.
1) When do the rights of the baby kick in? Isn't this a valid issue.
2) Why do we have to keep using labels? Real feminist, fake feminist-it's a waste of time.

There are lots of other important issues-but an important one left out is when do we as a society care and protect life?

I agree that making all abortions illegal is pretty radical and does seem against the desires of a large number of US citizens if not the majority. I do think it's odd that FFL isn't pushing for some way of decreasing unwanted pregnancy rather than changing the law in this radical way.

It's also factually false to say the Catholic church ever allows emergency contraception-that doesn't make any sense and it's not true (from a comment posted.). Why would the FFL be talking from a church's authority anyway? It is not associated with any churches is it?

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FFL Conservative Dream
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 16, 2005 6:18 PM   
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If the FFL really considers abortion murder, why don't they come out and support a law that makes abortion murder in the first degree and if the mother is convicted subject to the death penalty. Heck a couple of public lynchings would sure cut down the abortion rate.

Seriously, I am growing tired of organizations that profess to know what is best for others. These pompous asses have had their 15 minutes, it is time for them to go home and stop tryng to undermine our rights as Americans.

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FFL
Posted by: susannunes on Aug 16, 2005 9:28 PM   
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The organization may not be a right arm of the Catholic Church, but given the fact that in 1972 virtually the ONLY opposition to legalized abortion was the Catholic Church, those who founded the outfit must have been Catholics offended by the stance of NOW and other feminist organizations in support of abortion rights and started FFL.

It wasn't until MUCH later that the religious right got involved with the issue.

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What I cannot understand.
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 17, 2005 8:31 AM   
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What I cannot understand is why those who are anti abortion do not offer real alternatives to abortion. Apparently, adoption or keeping a baby are not viable solutions because millions of women are not choosing them in spite of the anti-abortion movement.
Abortion has always been with us and I suspect it always will be. When do we move on to saving our planet and stop trying to manage women's wombs?

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Like a hound dog
Posted by: Edward George on Aug 17, 2005 4:05 PM   
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I don't believe in wastin' energy but I aint stupid nor are the women I know. This whole thing is rediculous:

In the first place no one LIKES abortions. So lets quit being silly.

In the second place the chain is of life is eternal. It does not keep starting all over again. That sperm and that egg are alive and just as human as that ten cell blastocist.

Does a teen age boy commit mass murder when he has a wet dream? Does a human woman commit murder when she has a period? Should we have a formal funeral when a fertilized egg fails to implant?

In the third place those ultrasonic pictures keep getting clearer and any decent person would consider it murder to extract and deliberately kill a completely normal human being forty eight hours before a normal birth. So quit implying they would not.

In the fourth place anyone who would refuse to to help a twelve year old girl the day after she is raped by her father is a monster and you know it as well as I do.

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SHAME ON YOU SERRIN FOSTER!!!
Posted by: Envi on Aug 18, 2005 2:46 PM   
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Shame on you Serrin Foster, for trying to advance your cause with misinformation and fear tactics. You too, Mrs. Roberts! Neither of you can be considered a feminist, and certainly not a suffragette. You and yours will set back women in the U.S. a hundred years if you are successful. You are an embarrassment to our gender. Mind your own damn business and quit trying to rule my life.

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Life
Posted by: Olympiada on Aug 21, 2005 4:04 PM   
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Let me tell you all about life. We all carry the seeds of life within us male and female alike. The secular nature of our culture has deeply hurt us. We have no respect for the procreative nature of sex. This does not mean that we need to procreate every time we have sex, but we do need to know and understand that when a woman is fertile, that potential exists. Imagine a culture where everyone understood this. Does this not seem more holistic?
I think feminists for fetal life would make a better use of their resources if they were to really educate young people about where life comes form, how it is created, and teach them to respect the power of creation in their own bodies. Males and females have the power to create new life. All it takes is the union of one sperm and one egg and a new life is created. Imagine if all males and females understood this and respected this.

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» RE: Life Posted by: yellow
» My point Posted by: Olympiada
it's all about education
Posted by: lindalee on Aug 22, 2005 10:55 AM   
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I am a feminist and I work with feminists. These women cannot call themselves feminists and they do not respect life. Real feminists know it's about education. It's about letting women make the decision themselves - and giving them the correct information to make that decision....or the right opportunities. And let's stop calling them pro-life - the term is anti-choice. I value life......but I believe that terminating a pregnancy is my decision and should NOT be made by anyone but me.

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Kudos to Katha!
Posted by: yellow on Aug 23, 2005 12:55 PM   
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Thanks to Katha Pollit of the Nation for exposing yet another clericofascist scam on women and feminism. Real feminists are pro-choice, period! Is it any accident that FFL is connected to rightist religious groups. All anti-abortion forces are because religion is the biggest motivation in the absolutely irrational and fanatical opposition to what most sane people of all political persuasions regard as a highly personal decision to be taken without interference from the state or ideologically interested outsiders. When will this country acknowledge what legal scholar Lawrence Tribe suggested in his brilliant book Abortion: The Clash of Absolutes, that fundamentalist religious opposition to Free Choice reflects their resentment of sex for pleasure instead of procreation. Their consistent opposition to birth control as a corollary to their anti-abortion stance confirms this perception of their views. Reproductive freedom is the death knell of religious social control of women and of patriarchal domination. The definition of women's gender role as predominantly as mothers and homemakers and the restoration of the nuclear family as the key social unit is essential to the growing hegemony of reactionary, exclusivist politics and the defeat of social and cultural pluralism. In these difficult times we can expect much political deception from the far right! Thanks to Katha for exposing yet another rightist attempt to obscure such motives by diguising them as humanitarian and sympathetic.

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Propose a new name.
Posted by: situationgirl on Aug 26, 2005 1:35 PM   
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I recently read in my local newspaper that "pro-life" comes from a moral vocabulary, while "pro-choice" comes from a consumerist vocabulary. After reading this, I have chosen to call myself "pro-freedom," because I believe all women deserve the freedom to decide what is right for them. Indeed, this does not solve the problem, but I wanted to give every evidence of morality to my thoughts and beliefs as to those of the pro-life movement, we both have founded our views on what we believe to be the right thing to do.

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» RE: Propose a new name. Posted by: beetruetoyou
» pro-freedom Posted by: Olympiada
of course
Posted by: matrid on Aug 31, 2005 3:58 AM   
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of course a person can be against murder and still support women's rights. Infanticide is not a "right"

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unborn babies
Posted by: jasper on Sep 3, 2005 9:51 AM   
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You sick femi-nazi's never think about the unborn baby. Just because the baby is "unwanted", does this give you the right to kill your baby ? you sicko's

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"Abstinence"
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 3, 2005 4:28 PM   
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"The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence."

Ok I clipped this from another article.

I do not want anyone to think I am part of the evangelical Chrisitan agenda of "abstinence". No. I think when I was talking about natural family planning it was in the context of Christian marriage, and I should have made that clear.

I do not think the issue of abortion is that relevant to marriage.

So I apologize if I misled anyone.

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bumbly
Posted by: bumbly on Sep 6, 2005 12:29 AM   
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In a previous comment, someone remarked that "[r]eal feminists are pro-choice, period!" Yet, suffragists like Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton unequivocally opposed abortion, viewing it as "child murder" and "infanticide" (see their publication. The Revolution). The conclusion from the comment then must be