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A Soldier Speaks: Jason Gunn

By Celina R. De Leon, AlterNet. Posted August 18, 2005.


The third in a series of profiles of Iraq combat veterans who have recently come home.
A Soldier Speaks: Jason Gunn

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Editor's Note: As of August 17, 2005, 1,852 American troops and between 22,500 to 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the war in Iraq. Domestically, the bill for the war has reached $204.6 billion.

This is the third in a continued series of profiles of some of the tens of thousands of Iraq War veterans who have come home bearing the scars of battle -- emotional and physical wounds that may never heal unless the nation pays them the attention and care that they deserve. We at AlterNet believe it is the one issue that can and must bring us all together as America.

Jason Gunn, 26, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania finished his eight-year contract with the Army at the end of June. He plans never to re-enlist.

Jason was stationed in Baghdad, Fallujah and Karbala. His unit, 137th Armor or "The Bandits," was responsible for the takeover of Karbala. He first enlisted with the Army in 1997 to help pay for college, and was deployed to Iraq in May 2003. Jason now works for a catering company, attends Veterans for Peace meetings with his mom, and goes to therapy for his Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which he got from his service in Iraq.

He spoke to AlterNet on July 11, 2005.

What were you told were the reasons for the war in Iraq when you first began your duty?

I was told we were going to Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein and to help the people of the new Iraq rebuild themselves and the new Iraq.

What did you think about these reasons initially?

I didn't agree with these reasons in the beginning. And I didn't agree with these reasons even when I was over there.

How did you get and maintain the strength to keep fighting in a war you didn't believe in?

I made it through because of my friends ... I lost three friends, including two really close friends. One was killed in my truck, when we were hit by an IED [Improvised Exploding Device]. I was out of Iraq for four months recovering in the hospital. And then they sent me back. It was just a lot of terrible things. When you see that much death -- you know, I've seen enough death to last a lifetime. No one should have to see that much.

Did you ever express dissent?

I expressed my dislike for the war all the time. I would say that I hated it. I didn't believe it was the right thing to do. The whole country and the American soldiers should not be over there fighting a war for someone who wants to make a quick buck. I don't want to be hired over there to protect somebody else's assets.

Did any other soldiers in your unit express dissent?

All of the soldiers expressed the same beliefs. But we had to do our work. Either that or be dishonorably discharged.

Did you interact with any local Iraqis? How was that experience?

Some of the Iraqis are actually happy that you're there. Other ones are cut-throats. They say one thing and then turn around and stab you in the back another day.

Were you ever informed of an exit strategy?

They said the day we go home is the day we go home.

Do you think there is a need for an exit strategy?

There should be an exit strategy from the minute you get the order you have to be deployed. You should get a timeline of when you're leaving and when you're coming home. No extensions. None of that crap.

Why do you think there are extensions?

They have extensions because they are ill-prepared with everything that is happening. They have no idea what they're doing.

What do you think about Secretary Rumsfeld's projection that we could be in Iraq for another 12 years?

The only reason they say we're going to be there 12 more years is so they can have more time -- more leniency -- for how they're going to pull out. They're buying themselves more time so they can come up with a better strategy to get more money from that country.


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Posted by: liberalguy2 on Aug 18, 2005 2:09 AM   
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I think that this young guy and all the other soldiers should come home now! we need to give to offer the terrorists amnesty! give them hugs! we need to subsidize them with taxpayer money! tolerance and diversity are everything! Lets give peace a chance and subsidize the terrorists!

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Ok,I'll rise to your bait
Posted by: kww355 on Aug 18, 2005 4:30 AM   
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I realise that you're trying to get a rise out of us,but good grief,how can you be so cold ?

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Who should be responsible?
Posted by: paulaH on Aug 18, 2005 5:12 AM   
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the media blew it all up, saying we were out there murdering people. You have to understand, when you're in that country, in that situation, some of the people there do really cut-throat things. And every day could be your last day ... Those soldiers who did what they did -- shoot unarmed Iraqis, and now they're going to jail ... No, I think those soldiers did what they had to do to protect themselves from the people around them. And I think the media blew everything out of proportion and caused those soldiers their careers -- and their reputations.

It shouldn't be the soldiers whose careers are ruined because of this type of thing. Although there might be a few nut jobs over there as soldiers--well, maybe more now since the army is letting ANYONE in--but the vast majority are not murderers, but nervous and paranoid because they don't know who might shoot at them next. It should be the people who put them in that position that should go to jail. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.

If these soldiers had the proper equipment, maybe they would be a little less likely to shoot first and ask questions later, too.

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» DITTO Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: Who should be responsible? Posted by: jv in kc
Bring 'em on...HOME!
Posted by: AbnStranger on Aug 18, 2005 7:56 AM   
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A hug and hopefully help to this soldier and all like him. It's going to take more than a parade and a yellow ribbon to truly bring folks home. As a veteran of hostile fire in both VietNam and the Balkans, this whole scenario sounds sickeningly all too familiar. Soldier, you did your job, you saw and discerned the truth, and cared for those around you. That's admirable. It's easy to paint different scenarios, far from the war, but truth is, "Yah had to be there.." In the thick of firing away, it's not the flag, the medals, the rhetoric or anything else..it's your buddies and keeping your ass alive. You did a courageous thiing by speaking now, and realizing the war has had an impact on your life. That you remember your buddies and hold them in your heart and thoughts will help, even though it must hurt so damned bad right now. Good luck with the VA (e-mail me if I can help) and you are in my thoughts.

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» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
Rapid City, SD also has its Sheehan supporters
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 18, 2005 8:08 AM   
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Group gathers to support war protester

I gotta see the look on John Thune's and Governor Mike Rounds's face after they hear about it.

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Feingold Steps Up On Iraq, Demands Exit Strategy
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 18, 2005 8:13 AM   
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Feingold may not be perfect but he's sure damn close and he beats Evan Bayh anyday.

P.S.: A lot of Indiana residents regret their vote for Evan Bayh and now wonder if they should have settled for a black Republican. Why stick with a pro-GOP Democrat when you can enjoy a straight shooter agree or disagree with him or here, eh?

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A lot of contradictions
Posted by: Fade on Aug 18, 2005 8:52 AM   
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I dont know why the soldier is so down on the media AND the government. If it wasnt for the media reporting on the war, and whats going on- how does he expect anybody to know that what the government is doing is screwed up. If it weren't for the reporting going on telling the public that the armed forces arent properly supplied, they wouldnt have gotten on the ball about the supplies... and so on and on. If he would have talked to some of the reporters he could have said his piece a long time ago instead of now. Of course the government would have punished him for saying it so I guess thats why he waited.

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» RE: A lot of contradictions Posted by: simplisticton
» Was that on the news? Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: A lot of contradictions Posted by: jv in kc
Poor Equiping And Supplies
Posted by: nakis on Aug 18, 2005 10:08 AM   
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I understand why our troops are being poorly equiped (money) but what I can't understand is why our government hasn't been taken to task on it. There have been little blowups about it but why hasn't it been fixed.

We have a budget of nearly $400 billion in one year. We're spent over $200 billion for the war alone. That's over $600 billion that this equipment could have been supplied from. Shut down the missile defense (star wars) shield program for a month and use that money for our troops.

How can those in our government fool the common man by saying that they support our troops when they send them to war over lies (actually for oil and money) and then under equip them throughout the engagement and people believe that they do really support our troops.

Last month I sent, through my union, bags of supplies of toiletries, snack, drink mixes, etc.... because our troops need them. I don't have a problem with spending my pocket money for our troops, I just have a problem that the money I give to the government to support our troops doesn't go to them but to increase the wealth of the wealthy elite. This is very disturbing.

Gpod luck soldier. Godspeed to you and all of our troops.

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Thanks!
Posted by: ScottP on Aug 18, 2005 10:38 AM   
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Thanks to Jason for taking the time and having the courage to stand up tell his story, with his full name and identity attached. And thanks to alternet for continuing this excellent series.

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leftymama
Posted by: leftymama on Aug 18, 2005 11:00 AM   
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Asked and answered. Amazing what happens when you think about it.

But actually, your post brings up an interesting point -about an employee speaking out against wrongdoing done by their employer, aka being a whistleblower. Unfortunately, they are usually retaliated against -and in the military this is the rule rather than the exception. Also unfortunate is this administration's anti-whistleblower stance, esp. with respect to most National Security employees -military, DOJ, ALL Dept. of Homeland Security etc. The whistleblowers that come forward are oftentimes demoted, fired, harrassed and forced to resign. (case in point-the Abu Ghraib whistleblower, Joseph Wilson, Pick Pilz, David Graham, Sibel Edmonds -to name only a few)

We need stronger policies in place to protect these people who make the ethical decision to speak out against wrongdoing in the workplace -esp. our military. Sometimes these people are all that we have to alert us to major problems. Please urge your senators and representatives to support pro-whistleblower policies. There are also several organizations that advocate pro-whistleblower policies in various aspects of the government and corporations.

Sorry to go WAY off on a tangent here, but it's something that I've never seen mentioned on this site and think it should be.
Maybe if more of our soldiers didn't feel like they would be retaliated against for speaking out against the war and the bs politics surrounding it, they would exercise the very freedom the BS (I mean BuSh) administration says they are protecting; the right to DISSENT freely.

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» RE: leftymama Posted by: kww355
» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: leftymama Posted by: nakis
The Games People Play
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 18, 2005 2:12 PM   
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Journalists have been getting shot by American forces all over the place. The Pentagon strategy is to terrorize the free press so that they can control the news from Iraq.

This soldiers complaint is valid, and was probably a setup by the Pentagon. Focus on an isolated incident and hang the soldier out to dry, helps to turn the other soldiers against giving the media any news, as he said himself he would not talk to the news media.

As for the criminals in the Pentagon, Senator Stennis told a group of reporters, "When the folks find out what is really going on, it is going to blow the Pentagon right out of the water." They have tried to nuke us folks!

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THANK YOU JASON
Posted by: Michiganman on Aug 18, 2005 7:02 PM   
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Hang in there Jason. Thank you for telling the truth about JUST SURVIVING. Too many of our young men and women are being suckered into service by promises of helping the Iraqis and the GLORY? of battle (not to mention college). These armchair warriors who say, we can't pull out now, make me wanna' puke, they have no idea of the mental scares we are placing on our kids. The boys want to come home because they can see what a screwed up mess the military has made of this whole deal. It's a fine thing to want to help the Iraqis and we did get rid of Sadam but the truth is we are now hurting them. GET OUT NOW! SUPPORT THE TROOPS MEANS BRING THEM HOME! Let the Iraqis die for their country, they are more than willing if we would just get out of the way.

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» RE: THANK YOU JASON Posted by: Michael Turnauer, Vancouver,WA
yeh a protester
Posted by: flatulence on Aug 20, 2005 3:31 AM   
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lets clear one thing up. these guys coming home from Iraq that are protesting arent the norm. They are a vast minority.
Most of the soldiers in Iraq and afghanistan believe in there mission. they know that they are providing a noble service and that they are standing up to evil. All it takes is one protester for the liberal media to latch onto and they inflate there story as much as they possibly can. so dont pretend that this guy and the other 2 soldiers are the norm for Iraq veterans. I salute this guy and the other 2 for there service, but they arent the majority. The fact of the matter is, they are the vast minority.

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» RE: where do you get your info? Posted by: treehuggingliberal
» RE: where do you get your info? Posted by: flatulence
» RE: Hot smelly air Posted by: treehuggingliberal
Glad he's gone
Posted by: fenster on Aug 20, 2005 5:12 AM   
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The military won't miss him. His personal feelings probably got someone killed by his inattention to duty.

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» RE: Glad he's gone Posted by: treehuggingliberal
» RE: Glad he's gone Posted by: jv in kc
he did get some thing right
Posted by: flatulence on Aug 20, 2005 1:44 PM   
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There should be no ingrained reporters. the soldiers have enough to do, without worrying that some anti-war idiot from the press is filming them trying to get that elusive pulitzer.

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» yeah but you can't spell right Posted by: brasilaron
Just an Observation
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Aug 21, 2005 2:53 AM   
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Once again, I see a lot of troops bashing troops. Almost every time I read one of these interviews there is a huge forum below, and every time it is filled with troops belittling other troops and saying that their service wasn't/isn't good enough.

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just checkin
Posted by: Just checkin on Aug 21, 2005 10:27 PM   
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WHAY DOESN'T THE ARMY HAVE A 137TH ARMOR DIVISION
LISTED ANYWHERE ???????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Big Surprise
Posted by: ergo6 on Aug 22, 2005 2:05 PM   
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Its a big surprise to anyone who can see bias that borders on non-government propaganda, that some soldier in Iraq must support the current effort. Reenlistment rates for returnees are at an all time high. Many who separate have returned as security guards (at higher pay).
Why can't our media ever find those people?

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Salute.
Posted by: JusticeSabre on Sep 21, 2005 10:25 PM   
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For as long as I have known this dude, he wanted to be a soldier.

From the miniature strategy games in his basement, to the magazines to "Full Metal Jacket", this man was truly about serving his country... So much in fact, that he'd convinced me to enlist as well.

Jason and his two brothers all went in at the same time.

Yes. The whole line-up.

Me? I got hurt the last few weeks of Basic and was sent home... but I was proud of "Badap" for actually toughing it out and doing something heroic.

When I forst got the call from a friend of ours telling me that Jason was laid up in Germany after his vehicle got blown up, my heart dropped. I thought he was a goner. Luckily, all he got was shrapnel in his ass! lol

...but for them to turn around and send him back in wounded is sick.

I'm glad he's safe and sound, but I hope that the Gov't doesn't leave him high and dry... or any of the others risking their asses for Junior's oil rush.

If you read this, man... gimme a ring. My number is still the same.

Peace.

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