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A New Frame: Honesty

By Sally Kohn, AlterNet. Posted August 17, 2005.


If we're stuck on the losing side of Washington, why not try to broaden the range of political debate to include our real vision for the future, rather than pitch a mushy, centrist vision for the country?
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All eyes are on the Supreme Court debate, where progressives are angling to successfully "frame" the nomination process to our advantage. But from what I see, our picture is a bit crooked.

In the days before Bush announced his nominee -- the period during which the terms of the debate would largely be set -- Washington's liberal groups spread a well-organized, consistent message. One emblematic press release put out by the Alliance for Justice (a coalition of liberal, court-focused groups) called on President Bush to appoint a "moderate, consensus nominee -- someone like Justice O'Connor."

Wait a minute! O'Connor!? Since when is she our goal?

As a frame for the left, the O'Connor example has one major problem, a problem that has plagued much of our framing attempts from day one: It's dishonest.

The U.S. public isn't stupid. They know that the agenda of the vast left-wing conspiracy is not to appoint an O'Connor vote-alike. O'Connor's "swing vote" has often swung the wrong way. The Boston Globe notes that in tight, 5-4 decisions since 1994, when the court's current makeup was set, O'Connor voted with the conservatives almost three times more often than she voted with liberals. Whether around workers' rights, the environment, civil rights or the manipulation of federal elections, Sandra Day O'Connor has been anything but a heroine for equality and justice.

So why champion her? Why not just be honest? It's not like we were going to "win" anyway. We knew the archconservative Bush would pander to his archconservative base and appoint a Scalia twin like John Roberts. But did anyone think that if Bush did appoint another O'Connor, we could proudly and genuinely call that a win?

If we're pretty much stuck on the losing side of Washington for a while, why not fill our time trying to broaden the range of political debate to include our real vision for the future, rather than pitch a mushy, centrist vision for the country that fails to inspire the public? It amounts to sly begging at the policy table for whatever scraps the right will give us. At the very least, let's start talking about our short-term policy goals in the context of our bold, alternative vision for the future.

Not to pick on anybody, but here's a prime example. In its advocacy materials on sex education, NARAL Pro-Choice America calls for "promoting abstinence while simultaneously providing teens with the contraceptive and STD/HIV prevention information they need."

In contrast, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America calls for sexuality education that, first and foremost, increases "understanding of sexuality as a normal, healthy, lifelong aspect of human development." Planned Parenthood honestly and boldly proclaims the progressive vision -- that sex is a good thing, and teens should be taught a healthy, positive relationship to their sexuality. NARAL's message is equivocating, arguably feeding the right-wing frame that teen sexuality is negative, unhealthy and to be avoided.

Is it really the case that NARAL and the Alliance for Justice are centrist in their goals without any bold, alternative vision to offer? Are they really content to leave current arrangements of power intact and tinker a bit around the edges, rather than advocate for more serious and dramatic change?

To some liberals, that sounds just fine. But there are more of us who know that if we want fair and just outcomes, it's going to take more than a little tinkering -- we need to re-think and re-tool many fundamental structural and cultural arrangements in our society. In other words, the system is broken for millions of people, and getting worse -- and progressives want to fix it. Those of us who agree need to start honestly communicating that message and our solutions.

In his piece in the New York Times Magazine on the framing wars between the left and the right, writer Matt Bai cites George Lakoff's shorthand for the progressive vision: "stronger America, broad prosperity, better future, effective government and mutual responsibility."

Bai lances Lakoff's ten words, which amount to a "vague collection of the least objectionable ideas in American life" -- neither a discernable nor bold alternative vision.

In barking up trees for an articulate and powerful vision (and frames and all the rest of it), the liberal establishment must learn two things. First, a progressive vision can only come from collecting and echoing the ideas of many voices, not one anointed guru -- the progressive vision is anything but elitist. And second, the progressive vision for the future can really only come from, well, progressives. You can't fake it and mouth big ideas when you really believe in the status quo. That dishonesty shows, too.

I worry that progressives have been self-censoring because we fear that a radical vision is too much for most people to take, and so we're settling for a mealy-mouthed, centrist gloss. We should start honestly talking about our ideas, our ten words -- not abstract values like "fairness" and "justice" but concrete ideas for how a progressive society would be arranged. If I'm being honest about my vision for the future, here are my ten words: participatory democracy, sustainable localism, community ownership, personal liberty and global interdependence.

What are yours?

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Sally Kohn is the director of the Movement Vision Project of the Center for Community Change, which is interviewing hundreds of activists across the country to determine the progressive vision for the future of the United States.

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Posted by: WhatNow? on Aug 16, 2005 8:44 AM   
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I never cared much for O'Connor. About the only thing I actually liked about her was that she is a woman. Our government would probably be best if it reflected the population such has approximately half of the court be female since half the population is female. At least one hispanic and one black to also reflect the population.

Why is it even though I am a white male I am disappointed that a woman was not nominated? Actually I would not care what gender or color the person is as long as I thought they would look out for the best interests of the majority of the people. With Roberts I feel like we'll be getting the antithesis of Robin Hood. A corporate shill that's going to do nothing more that help the rich take more from the poor and sacrifice an individuals rights for corporate america. That is what makes me dislike him most and hope we could have something better. I wish we would get more information about that instead of most of the debate centered around his views on abortion.

Another thing I find funny is that abortion has never been an issue with me but over time I am starting to be more concerned about it. I am starting to see it as a civil rights issue. If the right wing could get rid of it, what will be next? I might be an example of the right hurting itself. I never was a proponent or opponent to it but as radical as the right is getting I may be out in the streets supporting it one day. Something I never would do if the right did not make it such an issue.

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Kelo v. City of New London: A decision that mattered
Posted by: jbeeso on Aug 16, 2005 9:10 AM   
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It would be helpful to point out that the justices accused of being "conservatives" by the author all voted to prevent the seizure of land by the city of New London for the purpose of razing the homes of private citizens living there, with the end goal of redistributing said land for corporate development.

Of course, the "conservatives" on the bench were defeated by those who the author identifies as "liberals".

Is the protection of private property from Pfizer--or Wal-Mart for that matter--an important issue or is the old adage of "liberals standing for civil rights and the small guy" a crock of bygone B.S.? Or was it ever really so?

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It's war out there
Posted by: clyde on Aug 16, 2005 9:19 AM   
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I agree with the author's sentiments. In answer to why we do as we do, I think it is like tug of war. In the demographic war to gain as many participants on our side of the rope, we look to the numbers game. The conservative machine having been as fantastically successful as it is, slams anything 'liberal' so hard that it has become a dirty word and associating with it has become beyond the pale (I watched Fox News for 3 months, O' Rielly and Hannity and Hannity's stooge, and came away with the impression that one of their most primary objectives was to bash liberalism. Authors with conservative books, and slandering everyone with a non conservative thought as liberal). My piont is, is that it is war out there, and when the flag on the rope is so far on the opponents side, you get desperate to keep it from completely eclipsing the power on the left (which is using centrist sentiments for a stand in presently). It is a desperate action, but in order to get any sort of hearing in conservative media, this may be the rules of the game.

I am convinced there is an antithesis brewing to the conservative machine however. History tends to play out this way. Esp when a thesis has been played out and reaches an apex or a level that moves more towards obvious abuse of power or ridiculousness. Their organization and might will be met. I think they are making mistakes with all their power. they are getting greedy and sloppy and it's allowing their true colors to come out as well as their game plan and dominance. Their unmitigated arrogance is causing many people's eyes to open to their insular and semi-fascist tactics. There's even strarting to be discension within the party ranks as well, Bush loyal Baker admitting to global warming, a long time strong Rep supporter of the war (I forget his name), doing a mea culpa on his support and criticizing the Rep gaurd.

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Right on!
Posted by: liberalguy on Aug 17, 2005 3:14 AM   
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We shouldnt be centrist at all. we should push the welfare agenda. welfare should absolutely beexpanded! we should push abortion and partial birth abortion. we should push gay rights, and we should offer terrorists amnesty! we should offer criminals therapy instead of jail time. these are all very important issues! and we should protest them every day until someone listens! protesting is the key because it shows that your really intelligent and that we really care! It doesnt matter if we accomplish anything or not, only that we care!
Potest protest protest!

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» RE: Right on! Posted by: roygib
» RE: ight on! Posted by: pinklotus432
» RE: ight on! pimklotus Posted by: liberalguy2
» RE: ight on! Posted by: pinklotus432
» Bravo Turil ! Posted by: kww355
» rightist off Posted by: brasilaron
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» RE: rightist off Posted by: liberalguy2
agitator church and state
Posted by: eileen_flmng on Aug 17, 2005 6:13 AM   
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Sally Kohn evidently missed TIKKUN's Spiritual Progressives Conference in July or she would know about the 1,300 USA citizens who gathered there who are speaking out and doing something about confronting the misuse of religion and God by the religous right as we challenge the left's hostility towards spiritual values.
Spiritual Progressives are inspired by compassion, generosity, non-violence, the unity of all being, and we understand the interconnectedness/interdependence of all life. Spiritual progressives honor all creation with awe, wonder and care and respect all faith paths and the choice to choose none.
learn more:
www.tikkun.org

ps-tonight a Christian held captive in Jerusalem, Mordechai Vanunu will be speaking out for nuclear disarmament and his 18 years in an Israeli jail for telling the world the truth in 1986, that Israel had gone nuclear.
www.vanunu.com
follow link to REALITY RADIO-one hour conversation; 6PM Pacific 7PM MT. 8PM Central 9PM East coast

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Here's a challenge...
Posted by: turil on Aug 17, 2005 6:19 AM   
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Can we be radically liberal and centrist (and even conservative) at the same time? In other words, can we please everyone?

I think so. At least for the majority of issues. For proof, just look at the ten words that people on all parts of the spectrum come up with for what their political goals are. When it comes right down to it, we all pretty much want the same things in life, healthy food, water, a safe place to live, loving friends and family, a way to provide for ourselves and our communities, the freedom to explore our world, learn about it, and express our ideas about it. Nobody's list of priorities is going to look glamorous, because these needs are so incredibly basic and universal.

So if what we all want is so similar, than why do we continually have bloody wars about politics? The problem is, we get hung up on the details of how to go about getting our needs met. What's the solution? Sit down together and get back to the basics. Throw out our ideas of political persuasion and really just get to know everyone on a real, human basis. Once we stop seeing others as enemies, and start seeing them as people very much like ourselves at the core, we will be able to solve our social problems in ways that take care of everyone's needs, not just the needs of the few who happen to be in power at the moment.

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» RE: Here's a challenge... Posted by: liberalguy2
» centrist Posted by: Olympiada
Questions Not Answers
Posted by: Sandra on Aug 17, 2005 6:34 AM   
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I don't have answers, but I have plenty of questions. These are just a few of the questions that keep me awake at night. When are we going to bring our troops home from Iraq? How are we going to pay down our deficit? When are we going to do something about border security? How are we going to stop illegal immigration? When are we going to stop outsourcing American jobs? How are we going to stop corporate welfare? How are we going to get religion out of government? When are we going to provide our children a good education that they can afford? When are we going to provide basic affordable healthcare to the people of this country? How are we going to clean up corporate crime? When are we going to protect our senior citizens and quit robbing Social Security? How are we going to address our dependence on foreign oil? When are we going to adopt a reasonable energy policy? When are we going to quit destroying the environment in the name of big business? When are we going to demand a govennment and a political process that represents the people of this country? There must be smart people who can help us find the answers to these and many other questions that impact our lives. There must be leaders out there who can help us. Where are those leaders and those people who can help us solve our problems? I don't know about the rest of you but I'm scared. I'm not scared of terrorists, abortion, gay marriage or stem cell reseach. I'm scared of the administration and the leaders in Congress and the Pentagon that are making and have made the policies that destroy our country and our civilization.

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» RE: Questions Not Answers Posted by: liberalguy2
What's The Matter With Kansas?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 17, 2005 6:48 AM   
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Beautifully put! The democrats have got to stop talking like republicans. The American people have had it up to here (I'm touching my forehead right now, just in case you were wondering). If ever there was a time not to run from liberalism...er...excuse me...progressivism...this is it! This hideous dingbat in the White House and the dirty old dingbats that comprise his administration are, in an ironic way, the best thing that has ever happened to the left. I strongly suggest that all of you reading this go out and purchase the book, "What's The Matter With Kansas" by Thomas Frank. A brilliantly written page-turner (I read it in one day) that explains in a prose that I can only describe as captivating, what's wrong with the democratic party and what it must do to heal itself.

Organize and Resist! Let's take our country back from these dispicable bastards!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: Tom Degan Posted by: Tom Degan
What a Refreshing Perspective!
Posted by: Russell on Aug 17, 2005 6:53 AM   
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I just wanted thank the author of this piece for finally illuminating what we, the progressives in American Society, should have realized quite some time ago: The Democratic leadership is nothing more than a 'poor man's version,' of a moderate Republican.
I think that the alternative is quite clear. We, on the left, need to configure and band our various organizations under a single tent that is worthy of our support and dedication. I am obviously referring to the Green Party, which is the only clear alternative to the two corporate dominated parties, which really only constitute a single party that we can refer to as the Republicrats.

Russ Cole

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Got an article yesterday on the Democrats refusal to nail Roberts
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 17, 2005 7:36 AM   
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I Believe The Author Is Correct
Posted by: nakis on Aug 17, 2005 9:33 AM   
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I believed that liberal and progressive ideals are about taking care of people and for giving everyone their freedom to live their life as they please.
I've read many right wing beliefs that call for their freedom to infringe upon the freedom of others. That we should look after ourselves and require everyone to be on their own. When we know that these things are not true. True freedom does not infringe on other peoples freedoms and we all need help at sometime in our lives. Sometimes we can get that help from friends and family but when we can't where does it come from? Right wing: nowhere. Left wing: society/government.

I've stated it many times before. As the author suggests, we have to stop pulling punches. Come out with a strong statement of liberal and progressive ideals. Ideals that reflect the freedom for all principle.

I believe the author is asking us all to give our ten words. Words that describe what we want from our society and government.

Peaceful conflict resolution, fair trade, equality, corporate regulation, Constitutional rights.

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YES
Posted by: dbaldwin on Aug 17, 2005 10:22 AM   
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Honesty! How radical! The problem is that, as the comments make clear, there is no agreement on what a serious liberal program would be. Beyond Lakoff's platitudes, where is the SHARED intellectual substance of liberal thought? The Democratic Party is the appropriate vehicle, but it hasn't entertained a new idea since Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act. We need to build a constitutency, but we can't do that, even with Howard Dean's state level organizers, unless we have some organizing principle beyond trying to get back into power.

My suggestion: Re-work the idea of human equality, which in the context of the Declaration of Independence is really the idea that human rights are the foundation rather than the end of government. They pre-exist government. Unlike human rights, civil rights are created by government (they are rights possessed by people as citizens, not as human beings). At the center is the value of the individual life and the right of every person to live with dignity.

Let's stop yapping about abortion and gay rights and social security and affirmative action. They are a generation or two old. As Emerson said, "Should we not also enjoy an original relation to the universe?" Let's get new ideas, like a serious anti-imperialism platform that would recognize how badly we need the United Nations and would call for leading the kinds of reforms it truly needs (after all, it is 60 years old). Let's speak against returning to hereditary privilege through a tax structure that serves to concentrate income and wealth and, by opposing the estate tax, would create a hereditary plutocracy. But let's not only be against, let's be for a seriously reformed estate tax (democratize it, so any estate over $100,000 pays some tax--start at 2% for the principle of the thing); let's be for Individual Development Accounts of $40,000 or so at birth, financed largely through the estate tax (they would take a lot of pressure off Social Security later in the century). Let's not argue about dependence on foreign oil but our dependence on any oil.

If we can't create a constitutency for such views soon, the future may be short.

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» yapping Posted by: Djon
» RE: YES Posted by: liberalguy2
The Supreme Felons; Again
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 17, 2005 10:25 AM   
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The court is a mere instrument of warfare, we the people of the world are its enemies.

It is part of the criminal classes bag of tricks, a group of old stinking fogies that are usless to any both the malign.

If they were merely usless that could be accepted, yet they are more than usless they are treacherous. By foisting these war criminals onto our backs, we need to plan the end of their foulness, that has been increasing in the last 200 or so years.

If I can be more clear, this no good God Damned bunch of thermonuclear war criminals along with their phony stage props are going; It is either them or us. They have tried to Nuke us already, they have not given up on their dreams to destroy the human race.

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"Honesty Has To Fight a Mighty Wind"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 17, 2005 11:11 AM   
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Honesty? HONESTY?? Confronting polictians with honesty is like confronting Superman with Kryptonite – except that politicians don't wither, they run.

There are more wet fingers up in the air to check which way the wind's blowing in Washington than there are blades of grass in my lawn on a dewy morning. Numbers are the only things that affect the bureaucrats and theocrats attached to those fingers – especially when those numbers are connected to dollar signs.

The only chance for The People to win this contest is to swarm in enough numbers to mow 'em down by threatening their fat, cushy jobs. Don't forget; we hired 'em, and we can fire 'em –– IF we use our brains and our hearts.

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re: right on
Posted by: Bernie on Aug 17, 2005 11:27 AM   
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Liberalguy is a weak attempt at wit - in this case sarcasm - the last refuge of a right leaning scoundrel who has run out of territory to conquer.

It's that not that difficult to find a blog more to his line of thinking but it's certainly the mark of his ilk to discover an environment untainted by neo-conservative ideals and "fix"it by starting an unjustified war under pretext.

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Why is the Democratic party "centrist"
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 17, 2005 11:41 AM   
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If the Democratic Party is following the Democratic Leadership Committee down the wrong path toward being "Republican light" there is a logical explanation. The Republicans can raise huge sums of campaign contributions. Many contributors contribute to both parties to "hedge their bet". The Democrats do not want to offend these contributors, and lose these funds along with any possibility of winning the election, by following a "Roosevelt Democrat" agenda. When push comes to shove the country is run by the unelected special interest groups that fund the campaigns. Just as we constitutionally have a separation of church and state we need a constitutional separation of all organizations and the state. Any organization involved in politics is trying to get something at the expense of the ordinary citizen.

Though we the people have the clout,
To vote the politicians out,
We'd still be ruled by sleazy "smarties",
Who pay money to both parties,
Here's the truth without a doubt,
No one can vote those rascals out!.

http://www.lincolninitiative.org>

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Lakoff has forums at www.rockridgeinstitute.org where you can nominate your 10 words
Posted by: truthtopower on Aug 17, 2005 1:43 PM   
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Lakoff explicitly stated when he nominated his words that it would take time for us to come up with our 10 words. I happen to like participatory democracy, sustainable localism, community ownership, personal liberty and global interdependence more. The majority of our politicians (Kennedy and Boxer and Kucinich and Dean and the Congressional Black Caucus aside) will continue to be mealy mouthed as long as they depend on big $ to finance them, and the big media is also owned by big $. Go to www.publiccampaign.org and www.iwtnews.com if you want to change those things.

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» mealy mouthed Posted by: Olympiada
is honesty the best policy?
Posted by: mwildfire on Aug 17, 2005 2:46 PM   
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I just want to point out that speaking up for what we really want will win us votes, not cost us votes. The mealymouthed apparent lack of ideas are a major reason why the Democrats have been losing so long. Why is Cindy Sheehan so effective? Well, maybe some of it is that it's August, there isn't enough other news, she's at Monthlong Vacation Ranch. But a lot of her impact comes from the fact that she isn't framing---she speaking bluntly, directly, saying what she means. Yes, there are plenty of ideas on the progressive side---we just haven't articulated them enough, largely because we've allowed ourselved to be funneled through the Democratic Party, which wants to keep turning tricks for the same johns as the Republicans. At the top, they actually don't care if they keep losing--what matters is to keep the money rolling in. Sometimes I wonder if they have actually agreed to make no real challenge to the R's--to play the role of a second party, so that we all tie up our energies uselessly with them, and a real second party is prevented from emerging.

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My ten words!
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Aug 17, 2005 2:46 PM   
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Here are my ten words, but count only those in parentheses; the rest are clarifiers:

(Cannabis hemp) For new industries, and the jobs they'll create.

(Cannabis hemp) For a clean environment.

(Cannabis hemp) For energy independence, and lower-cost fuel.

(Cannabis hemp) For billions of dollars in annual savings on the war against (some) drugs.

(Cannabis hemp) For sustainable culture.

It's actually pretty simple, but no one has said it's gonna be easy.

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» RE: My ten words! Posted by: nakis
hooray!
Posted by: who on Aug 17, 2005 3:03 PM   
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thank you.

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» RE: hooray! Posted by: liberalguy2
10 words of vision, a simple decalogue
Posted by: Ullern on Aug 17, 2005 5:23 PM   
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Reciprocity, Freedom, Equality, Solidarity, Ecology, Harmony, Spirituality, Peace, Love & Laughter!

(Hope you all
recall
these writings from the Wall)

Ole Ullern

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Peace to the 10th power
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 17, 2005 9:04 PM   
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Time to give peace a chance.

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» RE: Peace to the 10th power Posted by: liberalguy2
» Another option Posted by: Sojourner
Basenjis
Posted by: Basenjis on Aug 18, 2005 6:28 AM   
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There is always danger in trying to be all things to all people. Some things are just plain wrong as most of us have been taught as children by good parents. That's why so many people in enlightened societies reject pre-emptive war. The difficult part is trying to find what is truly good and right. I agree we should not be looking for another Sandra Day O'Connor. She served us well according to her lights, but we are moving into a more complex world and society demands more rigorous examination of tomorrow's needs. An enlightened, progressive people should demand enlightened, progressive people to not only interpret the laws, but also to formulate new ones. We should insist on the best, the brightest, and the most genuinely humane people that we can find to fill all posts in government. I will never understand, for example, why a country would place an admittedly C student at the head of the most powerful government in the world and expect an A plus performance.

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Too many words
Posted by: D. Conover on Aug 18, 2005 7:56 AM   
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Lakoff's core ideas about frames are excellent, but his application of those ideas leaves a lot to be desired. His 10 words are focus-group babble.

I only need five words: 1. integrity; 2. compassion; 3. honor; 4. freedom; 5. fairness.

Give me those five things and everything else will flow from them. Concepts like a "strong America" aren't values. They're goals. Let's talk values, and let's mean them.

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Left Conservative
Posted by: 390BC on Aug 18, 2005 8:11 PM   
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Hey you know what I reckon abortion is a bad thing. However if women want to end life - that is their decision and their cross to bear. The state should not interfere one way or the other. welfare is wasteful - it is MORE wasteful when there is Corporate welfare. Is that the welfare he means? Gay rights? Who fuckin cares - again the State should butt out (tee hee).
leave protesting alone mate because that is the only way we have left in our non democracy to get points across. The thing is where do you fo from protest when it is ignored. And by the way all those tough guys who love the wars your country is involved with - get your fat flabby American arses over to Iraq and kick some towel head ASS. What do yuz reckon you whining little cowards?

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the progressive vision is anything but elitis
Posted by: Olympiada on Aug 22, 2005 3:57 PM   
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Thank you for saying this! I am so sick of being attacked as an elitist. I have been from my youth, when my activism started. I made some real bad decisions as a result of internalizing that shame.
"I worry that progressives have been self-censoring because we fear that a radical vision is too much for most people to take"
Yes you are absolutely right. I have censored my self and am paying for it with my life now. This is serious business. If we are radical, we are radical. If we try to alter our nature, we die. It is that simple. It is a matter of life and death. I have always been on the fringe and radical. To deny this means to deny my life. I like your strong voice. It gives me strength. And I am a progressive Christian single mother so you can imagine the kind of hell I battle through each and every single freaking day in this land of America.

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We have been FRAMED to death. How about some TRUTH?
Posted by: lc on Aug 23, 2005 7:05 AM   
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There is no liberal media. The mainstream media rolled over and played lap dog for the Bush propaganda machine. The only Liberal left on TV is John Steward and only because he is a comedy news show. Politically Incorrect Bill Maher was fired and they cancelled Phil Donahue's top ranked TV show. Too many people lost their jobs for merely showing up at Bush rallies with a T-shirt proclaiming a contrary sentiment or the person asked Bush a question not desired.

The way to suppress opposition to lies is to keep repeating the lie to drown out the truth while killing any messengers. Bush is a dyslexic liar imprinted with an attitude of always getting his way no matter what. We have been FRAMED by the best propaganda machine ever incorporated, the Republican Party. The Democratic Party could not compete at that level with the corporate and power elite and finished second. That leaves the rest of us in last place and the country all screwed up because both parties put money and power first and the needs of the citizens always take second place. It's all about the lies, stupid! We have been lied to, deceived, misled, manipulated and coerced into false political support for unpopular Bush Administration policies. We have been FRAMED to death.
Sincerely,
Ron Linker

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» Bush is a dyslexic liar Posted by: Olympiada
Progressives Need a Foundation
Posted by: amywohl on Aug 23, 2005 9:04 AM   
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Who could argue with your ten words. We want them all -- and more. But for this bold vision to work we need an educated citizenry -- and to our dismay today's educational system is failing our children. Citizens with no knowledge of history or geography are not equipped to participate in democracy or global interdependency.

Part of our plan needs to be a strong plan to educate our children -- while we re-educate ourselves.

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gramps
Posted by: gramps on Aug 24, 2005 1:11 PM   
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Nobody uses the F word for Fascism. I fought in WWII and I know about fascism. What is our problem? We are living in a fascist country. That is not hyperbole it is a fact. Mussolini defined fascism as the marriage of corporation power and state power. Ed Kennedy said that the Repulicans get 95% of their money from corporations and the Democrats 75%.

The only difference between us and the Axis powers is that in 1934 they were considered a legitimate answer to poverty by a lot of people. WWII exposed that mistake and the word stinks in everyone's mouth to the point where it is politically incorrect to call a fascist a fasist even if he is one.

Dr. Goebels would be delighted with the American media. Himmler would be ecstatic over Rumsfeld and Abu Graib.
And how Hitler would drool over the twelve aircraft carriers, the hydrogen bombs, and the nuclear submarines.

You all are changing deck chairs on the Titanic. The only reason the SS is not knocking on your door is that they don't need to. Cindy Sheehan is the only one asking the question: Why did my son die. Bush can't answer the question because he died for Northrup, General Dynamics, and Hlliburton.

While you are worrying about teen age pregnancy 500 billion dollars has gone to the war department. Euphemistically called "the defense department"

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