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The head of The Sunshine Project, a Texas-based group opposing biological weapons, Hammond shows his disdain for military excesses through swear words and federal disclosure suits that seek to lift a window on military science projects. Two times now, he says, Marine Corp staff handling his Freedom of Information Act claims have mailed him the wrong envelope, mistakenly sending him materials meant for another military office, envelopes that contained classified information.
One of those times, he says, was in May when he received 112 pages of files on the Active Denial System, or ADS, a crowd control weapon built by Raytheon Corporation and slated for military deployment in Iraq in 2006. The documents included descriptions of tests conducted on volunteer subjects at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Hammond, who had requested the documents, noticed something odd. "I saw some of the documents that were marked classified should have been redacted," he said in a telephone interview.
The Secrets of 'Active Denial'
The Active Denial System is a Pentagon-funded, $51 million crowd control device that rides atop a Humvee, looks like a TV dish, and shoots energy waves 1/64 of an inch deep into human skin. It dispenses brief but intolerable bursts of pain, sending bad guys fleeing but supposedly leaving no lasting damage. (During a Pentagon press briefing in 2001, this reporter felt a zap from an ADS prototype on his fingertip and can attest to the brief but fleeting sensation that a hot light bulb was pressing against the skin). ADS works outside the range of small arms fire.
After a decade-long development cycle, the ADS is field ready but not free of controversy. Military leaders, as noted in a recent USA Today article, say it will save lives by helping U.S. troops avoid bombs and bullets in urban zones where insurgents mix with civilians. Temporary pain beats bullets and bombs, but Edward Hammond's files have rekindled scientific questions about how the classified system works, what it does to the body and how it will be used in the streets of Basra or Baghdad or, one day, Boston.
As key scientific questions go unanswered, a version of the Active Denial System is being developed by the Justice Department for use by U.S. police departments. The National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the Department of Justice, has issued a half-million dollar grant to Raytheon Corporation for a "Solid-State Active Denial System Demonstration Program," according to the NIJ website. Alan Fischer, a Raytheon spokesperson, said the company is "working on a number of active denial projects, with various ranges. ADS may some day be miniaturized down to a hand-held device that could be carried in a purse or pocket and used for personal protection instead of something like Mace. The potential for this technology is huge."
The DOJ isn't the only one excited. The Department of Energy is experimenting with ADS as a security device that would "deny access" to nuclear facilities.
For most Americans, zapping Iraqi insurgents in Baghdad with a potentially unsafe weapon is one thing; cooking political protestors in Boston or Biloxi will surely be another. Against this backdrop, observers say, Hammond's files become particularly important. "Right now the press really isn't on this," says Hammond. "But that will change when the first videos are released showing this thing being used on people."
Far from a national security breach, Hammond's documents do offer a small but worrisome glimpse inside a weapon that appears to be slipping beneath the scrutiny of a lethal world with bigger priorities. In July, New Scientist magazine reported on the files, citing red flags that troubled some scientists. Though the ADS, for example, will be facing chaotic, unruly situations, the reports said volunteers were banned from wearing glasses and contact lenses to prevent possible eye damage. In other tests, volunteers were told to remove metallic objects such as keys to avoid "hot spots" that might burn skin.
Neil Davison, an expert in non-lethal weapons at Bradford University in England, reviewed the files and questions how ADS would perform in live conditions. In email interviews with AlterNet, Davison, a social researcher with biology training, pointed out that one section on medical risk analysis states that "exposure levels [of energy waves] may exceed permissible exposure limits specified by the relevant safety standard by as much as 20-fold."
What millimeter waves (MMW) do to the body depends on the dose. And about that, Davison and other experts have questions, lots of them. How do operators control the dose that an individual receives? What is the safety margin, rather, the difference in exposure time between it being an effective weapon and it being harmful? Does the weapon cut out after a certain time to prevent overexposure? What about people targeted at different distances? How do operators avoid unintentionally overexposing people at short ranges when aiming at long range? And what of individual differences in health, age, and sensitivity to MMW?
"What public information will be required before it is deployed to control riots on the streets of Seattle or Boston?" Davison asked.
Military spokespeople are silent about the weapon's specifications but dismiss claims that glasses and other everyday objects present dangers. Rich Garcia, press officer at Air Force Research Laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland Air Force Base, said he was safely zapped by the weapon while wearing contact lenses and clothes with zippers. When asked about the weapon's safety margin, Garcia said he could not give specific times or exposure levels but added that "the safety margin is determined by a variety of factors, including the power of the system and the amount of time for each exposure. The operator is key to ensuring that a person is not over exposed."
But what about the eyes? The military's fact sheet for ADS cites a low risk for blindness. Experts such as Dr. Henry Lai, a bioengineer at The University of Washington in Seattle, agree the possibility exists. "Hitting the eyes of a subject and causing corneal damage could be a concern," he said. "I doubt very much a subject once hit can close his or her eyes fast enough to prevent extensive damage, since the reflex is triggered by pain. That means the response would be too late."
Long Term Problems
Aside from thermal injuries like blindness or burns, could a protestor who got zapped by an overzealous ADS controller eventually wind up with disease such as cancer? Another way of stating it: Do millimeter waves at the frequency of 95 gigahertz cause long term biological changes unrelated to heat?
The military says no. Others aren't so sure. And these things are often hard, if not near impossible, to prove.
In 2004, a North Atlantic Treaty Organization report on non-lethal weapons raised warnings. "The long-term physiological effects of the microwaves received by an individual are still being studied (maximum acceptable dose, cumulative effect of successive exposures)," the report states. "The absence of definitive results is the main obstacle to the use of radio frequencies." The report goes on to note that "excessive power levels can have serious consequences for human targets."
These concerns were already being voiced in 2001. Days after ADS was unveiled, Professor Ross Adey, one of the world's leading bio-electromagnetic researchers, told UPI (in an article written by this reporter) that he believed the device could lead to cancer or cataracts, especially if the subject already carried an illness made worse by the beams. Adey, who died last year, was a professor of physiology at Loma Linda University Medical Center in Loma Linda, Calif, a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and a former professor of the Royal Society of Medicine. He said Russian studies in 1980s, as well as his own research, showed that millimeter waves at some frequencies have a non-heat-related impact on white blood cells.
Adey noted that Soviet researchers have used millimeter waves in experiments designed to treat diseases including skin disorders, heart disease and cancer, suggesting that therapeutic benefits raises the specter of potential hazards if a subject is overexposed. Specifically, Adey said his work showed that radio frequency and the lower microwave range effected enzyme systems that regulate growth and division of white blood cells. He added that while the ADS does not employ those specific wavelengths, no scientific evidence exists to prove that millimeter waves could not cause similar damage.
Marvin Ziskin, a medical doctor and researcher at Temple University who studies the bio-effects of millimeter waves of different frequency said the weapon's 94 GHz "could affect enzyme systems within the skin on a short term basis," adding, however, that there are no known long term effects. Ziskin said the military can't say for certain that the device has no long term bioeffects, adding, however, that "this could be said about anything. Science can not rule our the possibility of future harm from any environmental stress. Nothing can be claimed to be absolutely 'safe.'" Ziskin also said it is "probably true" that the vast majority of the scientific literature on bioeffects research on 94 GHz comes from researchers associated with the Pentagon's weapon development program.
He says, she says. Who can know? Can the Pentagon's claims be verified?
Davison, for one, says not likely. That's because the majority if not all literature detailing research on the bioeffects of the weapons' specific wavelength (95 gigahertz) appears to have been conducted by researchers linked to the Pentagon's weapon development program. In an ADS fact sheet, the Air Force says a panel of non-governmental scientists and medical experts reviewed bio-effects tests on humans. When asked for the names of those experts, a press official at the Air Force Research Laboratory's Human Effectiveness Directorate at Brooks City Base, Texas, said experts were not immediately available to answer. The Air Force's Garcia said he knows of no independent research. A Marine Corp spokesman said the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, the military organization in charge of ADS, is "unaware of any release of classified documents or information relating to Active Denial System."
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Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 19, 2005 2:48 AM
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What about people with pacemakers?
People with chronic pain problems know the effect of a 'minor' injury can cause their overall levels of pain to flare up for days.
Will there be any way of proving this weapon has been used? Or will their be covert deployments every time a few people get together to try to keep a tree from being cut down? Or maybe they will just aim it down the road a bit from Crawford.
I don't like the notion of *secret* attacks. A groupd of Canadians have recently found out officially that the US tested Agent Orange on them.
There are practical benefits to a non-damaging weapon, but the dangers to freedom are frightening.
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Posted by: andercitizen on Aug 19, 2005 4:37 AM
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It looks as though the age of the Jetsons has arrived. "ZAP 'EM" - "BURN 'EM" - what the hell, "they're only Iraqis. Or now, Americans who happen to have located themselves on the "wrong side" of the political spectrum.
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Posted by: Barbara on Aug 19, 2005 5:28 AM
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It's all so crazy, and all I hear is complaining and moaning about your liberties being taken away from you. If you want freedom and liberty, then you have to fight to maintain it. Don't expect anyone else to do it for you. It's your country !! Stand up for it against your politicians and corporations !!
If you sit around complaining for too much longer, you won't even have the luxury of doing that either.
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Posted by: sanitysojourner on Aug 19, 2005 5:59 AM
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These administration clowns don't know and never plan for the consequences of their actions. There are a myriad of medical conditions that could render someone critically or fatally injured. Example: Lupus is a connective tissue (that means skin, among other major organs) inflammatory auto-immune illness. Cook that skin (stateside of course) that is already cooking, and you've got a very badly injured person with a risk of dying. Just one example.
And wait until the NRA lobbies for the right of ordinary citizens to bear yet another arm . . .
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Posted by: FCAlive on Aug 19, 2005 7:35 AM
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I do not want weapons being use more often because they are non-lethal, but as an alternative to bullets, this seems like a step in the right direction.
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Posted by: nanobubble on Aug 19, 2005 8:07 AM
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Therefore, there will be many deaths unless this is outlawed before responsible testing and regulations are applied can be developed. Historically speaking, it's more plausible the responsible bit won't happen.
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burning or hot sensation on skin
ringing or pain in ears (the dogs would whine and scratch at their ears even if we "heard" nothing)
dizziness or disorientation
interrupted menstruation, including resumption of bleeding in post-menopausal women
from Greenham, reports of miscarriages
violent and terrifying dreams, including dreams of doing explicit violence to others in the immediate area
nervous and immune systems disorders
mood swings (we all joked about "happy stoned zapping" and "hostile paranoid zapping," but the effects were real, and would stop as soon as one left the field of attack, such as walking or driving a short distance from the land, unlike the grumpy moods brought on by collective meetings, which lasted for hours and could be carried away with one....)
severe headaches which would also cease upon leaving the active field
increased and lasting sensitivity to certain things, such as florescent lights (Peace Camp women had a tendancy to become disoriented when shopping for food in the mega-stores with acres of these lights, and it wasn't just from the culture shock after being on the land), certain chemical smells, etc
After leaving the Peace Camp, I never spoke much about these experiences, because people generally treated such comments as the thinking of conspiracy-freaks. But the group who did the study worked hard on it for several years, and had a lot of documentation which they had to work very hard to get. Now, 15 years later, the stuff is finally public.
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Posted by: nakis on Aug 19, 2005 8:55 AM
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Riiiiiiigggghhhhhhtttt.
I can just hear the right wing justifiers. 'Hey, we just used some heat on the protesters. We didn't kill them'.
You know they are going to use this crap on peaceful protesters that are being too effective. And then they try to portray themselves as nice guys for using something like this.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 19, 2005 9:13 AM
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No –– it won't.
Do we see the carnage in Iraq? No. Do we even see the flag-draped coffins returning from there, or the amputees? No. Are we told the truth about the REAL numbers of dead and wounded from Iraq? No. Did we get the truth about our draft-dodging, deserting President? No. Did we get the real story behind the lies that got us into the death-spiraling quagmire in Iraq? No. So, what makes anyone think that the bought-and-paid-for press will do its job in the future?
If the recent past is any indicator – and there is no reason to believe that it won't be – the only citizens who will find out about this weapon will be the ones cooked by it.
And what makes anyone think that those who would use this weapon to microwave their fellow citizens will give a crap about "safe dosages?"
Keep your eyes peeled (if this weapon doesn't do it for you) for the first signs of a Pentagon version of Skynet, possibly heading our way in the decades to come. High-altitude, remotely-piloted weapons delivery systems are already in the Pentagon's pipeline. . . .
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American Mind Control in Baghdad
Spooks use technology "proved" on one-million dead Africans
I remember when I was a kid and living in NJ there were riots with the blacks in a nearby town. It never made sense to me that these people were burning down their own businesses during the riots. Now that I am much older and have learned about our gov't dirty weapons and the use of mind control techniques, I'm pretty sure it was tested back then in areas of New York and N.J. on those black communities.
There is no doubt these and more of the same type weapons will be used against us as more and more people wake up and understand what this new one world gov't is all about.
And the more people are convinced there are people to hate the more effective their mind control will work. We have to stop hating people and not become desensitized to having anyone killed for any reason.
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While my friend tells me this as if it were fact, it all sounds a little dubious to me. I think he even wore Jiffy Pop pan popcorn attached to strategic parts of his body on various occasions as a kind of radiation detector when working on microwave antenna projects.
Forgive me; I am just having fun thinking about how we can protect ourselves with Jiffy Pop when the jack-booted thugs of this administration start leveling these things at all of us heretics. Not to mention, since this administration seems to hold no real affinity for science, or its tenants, I am laughing even harder at the looks on their faces as the peer over this magical thing that may look just like the picture in the article and go for a price tag of, say, $10 million a unit, courtesy of Raytheon.
I would buy one to see that look on Dubya’s Alfred E. Newman mug.
Price of 1 ea ADS unit - $10,000,000
Price of 1 ea ADS mind control option - $1,000,000
Price of watching Karl Rove trying to use it – You guessed it.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 19, 2005 12:52 PM
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This is another gadget we don't need, but then again, it's a defense company, and they're not out to make baby strollers.
When it comes to hurting people, the Unites States has no equal. This toy Raytheon has developed reminds me of an old song line by Chicago: "...New ways to kill us, and tell us dirty lies...."
Although this weapon PROMISES no fatal wounds, it could lead to an onslaught of lawsuits should this gizmo severly injure someone and if the weapon falls into the wrong hands.
Oh, well. Give me the U.S. flag and I'll shut up.
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Posted by: Pearl in Colo on Aug 19, 2005 12:59 PM
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The fact that the government will be after anyone in a crowd, what ever the side of the spectrum, since the government will eventually change, is too awful to contemplate. no authority ever gave up a new toy/weapon to my recollection and never refrained from using it.
Good luck to us all; even the "righties" will feel the sting one day. Too bad we can't find the $$$$$ to fund No Child...( some of us call it NC Left With a Dime)!!
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Posted by: Lindie on Aug 19, 2005 4:26 PM
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And, since several new laws are being snuck through congress right now, which are placing serious restrictions on the public's right to assemble (especially if the participants are young and non-white), I rather expect to see some serious incidents involving the ADS by Christmas in DC, Philly, and possibly NYC. Sooner, depending upon how much crowd control someone might believe is needed at - a concert, say ...
Be afraid, people - the original deployments were expected to not occur until next June ...
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Posted by: dancerkc on Aug 19, 2005 4:58 PM
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However, this microwave weapon opens a whole new range of cooked up lies. Dosage is a massive problem here. There are any number of problems from specific individual medical conditions, to items on or in the person, to size, to gender, to current condition to how deeply grouped the persons are and how long the people in front stand before falling, etc.
Then there are the changes in the skin caused by the application of microwaves which may allow further usage to cause deeper penetration - since these specs may be relevant for initial application rather than repeated or extended application.
Dosages will be hugely variant. Which means we will have permanent damage and deaths, especially because the troops and local cops (never trust either) will use this more because the claims say "non-lethal." That reason for indiscriminant use of Tasers is why Tasers have caused so many needless deaths.
And from here, it is only a short step from "Pain" setting to "kill" setting. Same gizmo and ramp the power. Much harder to run out of that kind of ammo.
We need to go back to the days when London's Bobbies were started. Deliberately going out into the violent streets without weapons other than their brains and persuasion. Criminals respected that. Bobbies took pride in that. And until recent events, I was very impressed with London Bobbies after living there for a while when I was in the Air Force years ago. When I got back to the US I was amazed at how overbearing and thuggish our cops suddenly seemed compared to the bobbies.
In the late 50's a HAM friend of my uncle's showed me the inside of a transceiver to explain the (then) new microwave ovens. Radio operators had noticed flies, etcetera, getting zapped, he said, as they flew in the area of certain components.
What killed flies yesterday will kill people tomorrow. Just a matter of when
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Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 19, 2005 11:26 PM
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Those who know better will be a minority, and considered lefty wingnuts for giving the "crazy mob" the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: worksg on Aug 20, 2005 9:04 AM
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I believe that the main danger from mm-wave exposure is developing cataracts, much like looking at the sun. The cataracts may not develop for a year or so after exposure. Metalized sunglasses might offer some protection.
Metals don't absorb mm-waves and get hot, they reflect them like a mirror and may create hot spots in nearby tissue. Clothing made of aluminum window screen, metallized plastic, metallized threads, or carbon fiber thread might offer inexpensive protection against the weapon.
A corner reflector, like an inside corner of a cube, is used to reflect microwaves back in the direction from which they came. A good one can be made from three square aluminum window screens. It may discourage anyone using such a weapon.
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Posted by: ChrisBieber on Aug 21, 2005 4:27 PM
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This tool WILL BE USED...of course it will...all the malcontents and antisocial misfits and TRAITORS need to be controlled... just think...with NATIONAL IDENTITY CARDS and GPS Chips and RFID readers and THIS WEAPON..no more protests...
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"24. HOW TO MAKE A STUN GUN $5.00
So you want to zaaaaap the $hit out of someone? Well, we have just the thing. It delivers a nice little shock of 75,000 volts. And also causes wicked, muscle spasms! sounds like fun, huh? Also included, plans to make a modification that disguises it as a flashlight. How to test your new toy on an unwilling subject—if he goes into a convulsion, twitching, muscle-lock, and starts foaming at the mouth, you might want to tune it UP just a little bit, until you hear your subject go 'BOOM'!"~ (copied word for word from http://www.theinformationcenter.com/ )
These weapons are available now. They are being used by hate groups, criminals, intolerant neighbors, stalkers, connoisseurs of "revenge", and various other sick and twisted types. The fact that they are so easily available on the Internet says there are customers for them, and at least some of those customers can be assumed to be using them. Yet only a couple of states--like Michigan and Massachusetts--have passed laws against them. The discharges can go right through the walls of a person's home--just like a cell phone.
Anybody can get these weapons (or plans for making them) off the internet (from companies with such innocent-sounding names as Plans & Kits Unlimited, Brandon Enterprises, The Information Center, Information Unlimited, and Consumertronics). In the US, it is almost certain that they are also "available" at gun shows and right wing meet-ups.
Why is there so little known about hate and revenge crimes committed with these weapons? I have tried to find statistics from the FBI/DoJ, and they are not to be found.
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Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 19, 2005 2:48 AM
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What about people with pacemakers?
People with chronic pain problems know the effect of a 'minor' injury can cause their overall levels of pain to flare up for days.
Will there be any way of proving this weapon has been used? Or will their be covert deployments every time a few people get together to try to keep a tree from being cut down? Or maybe they will just aim it down the road a bit from Crawford.
I don't like the notion of *secret* attacks. A groupd of Canadians have recently found out officially that the US tested Agent Orange on them.
There are practical benefits to a non-damaging weapon, but the dangers to freedom are frightening.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 19, 2005 3:28 AM
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Posted by: andercitizen on Aug 19, 2005 4:37 AM
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It looks as though the age of the Jetsons has arrived. "ZAP 'EM" - "BURN 'EM" - what the hell, "they're only Iraqis. Or now, Americans who happen to have located themselves on the "wrong side" of the political spectrum.
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Posted by: Barbara on Aug 19, 2005 5:28 AM
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It's all so crazy, and all I hear is complaining and moaning about your liberties being taken away from you. If you want freedom and liberty, then you have to fight to maintain it. Don't expect anyone else to do it for you. It's your country !! Stand up for it against your politicians and corporations !!
If you sit around complaining for too much longer, you won't even have the luxury of doing that either.
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Posted by: cyclone on Aug 19, 2005 5:48 AM
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Posted by: sanitysojourner on Aug 19, 2005 5:59 AM
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These administration clowns don't know and never plan for the consequences of their actions. There are a myriad of medical conditions that could render someone critically or fatally injured. Example: Lupus is a connective tissue (that means skin, among other major organs) inflammatory auto-immune illness. Cook that skin (stateside of course) that is already cooking, and you've got a very badly injured person with a risk of dying. Just one example.
And wait until the NRA lobbies for the right of ordinary citizens to bear yet another arm . . .
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Posted by: FCAlive on Aug 19, 2005 7:35 AM
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I do not want weapons being use more often because they are non-lethal, but as an alternative to bullets, this seems like a step in the right direction.
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Posted by: nanobubble on Aug 19, 2005 8:07 AM
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Therefore, there will be many deaths unless this is outlawed before responsible testing and regulations are applied can be developed. Historically speaking, it's more plausible the responsible bit won't happen.
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Posted by: battzedek on Aug 19, 2005 8:30 AM
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burning or hot sensation on skin
ringing or pain in ears (the dogs would whine and scratch at their ears even if we "heard" nothing)
dizziness or disorientation
interrupted menstruation, including resumption of bleeding in post-menopausal women
from Greenham, reports of miscarriages
violent and terrifying dreams, including dreams of doing explicit violence to others in the immediate area
nervous and immune systems disorders
mood swings (we all joked about "happy stoned zapping" and "hostile paranoid zapping," but the effects were real, and would stop as soon as one left the field of attack, such as walking or driving a short distance from the land, unlike the grumpy moods brought on by collective meetings, which lasted for hours and could be carried away with one....)
severe headaches which would also cease upon leaving the active field
increased and lasting sensitivity to certain things, such as florescent lights (Peace Camp women had a tendancy to become disoriented when shopping for food in the mega-stores with acres of these lights, and it wasn't just from the culture shock after being on the land), certain chemical smells, etc
After leaving the Peace Camp, I never spoke much about these experiences, because people generally treated such comments as the thinking of conspiracy-freaks. But the group who did the study worked hard on it for several years, and had a lot of documentation which they had to work very hard to get. Now, 15 years later, the stuff is finally public.
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Posted by: Coleman on Aug 19, 2005 8:32 AM
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Posted by: nakis on Aug 19, 2005 8:55 AM
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Riiiiiiigggghhhhhhtttt.
I can just hear the right wing justifiers. 'Hey, we just used some heat on the protesters. We didn't kill them'.
You know they are going to use this crap on peaceful protesters that are being too effective. And then they try to portray themselves as nice guys for using something like this.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 19, 2005 9:13 AM
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No –– it won't.
Do we see the carnage in Iraq? No. Do we even see the flag-draped coffins returning from there, or the amputees? No. Are we told the truth about the REAL numbers of dead and wounded from Iraq? No. Did we get the truth about our draft-dodging, deserting President? No. Did we get the real story behind the lies that got us into the death-spiraling quagmire in Iraq? No. So, what makes anyone think that the bought-and-paid-for press will do its job in the future?
If the recent past is any indicator – and there is no reason to believe that it won't be – the only citizens who will find out about this weapon will be the ones cooked by it.
And what makes anyone think that those who would use this weapon to microwave their fellow citizens will give a crap about "safe dosages?"
Keep your eyes peeled (if this weapon doesn't do it for you) for the first signs of a Pentagon version of Skynet, possibly heading our way in the decades to come. High-altitude, remotely-piloted weapons delivery systems are already in the Pentagon's pipeline. . . .
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Posted by: LoisC on Aug 19, 2005 9:30 AM
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American Mind Control in Baghdad
Spooks use technology "proved" on one-million dead Africans
I remember when I was a kid and living in NJ there were riots with the blacks in a nearby town. It never made sense to me that these people were burning down their own businesses during the riots. Now that I am much older and have learned about our gov't dirty weapons and the use of mind control techniques, I'm pretty sure it was tested back then in areas of New York and N.J. on those black communities.
There is no doubt these and more of the same type weapons will be used against us as more and more people wake up and understand what this new one world gov't is all about.
And the more people are convinced there are people to hate the more effective their mind control will work. We have to stop hating people and not become desensitized to having anyone killed for any reason.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on Aug 19, 2005 11:23 AM
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While my friend tells me this as if it were fact, it all sounds a little dubious to me. I think he even wore Jiffy Pop pan popcorn attached to strategic parts of his body on various occasions as a kind of radiation detector when working on microwave antenna projects.
Forgive me; I am just having fun thinking about how we can protect ourselves with Jiffy Pop when the jack-booted thugs of this administration start leveling these things at all of us heretics. Not to mention, since this administration seems to hold no real affinity for science, or its tenants, I am laughing even harder at the looks on their faces as the peer over this magical thing that may look just like the picture in the article and go for a price tag of, say, $10 million a unit, courtesy of Raytheon.
I would buy one to see that look on Dubya’s Alfred E. Newman mug.
Price of 1 ea ADS unit - $10,000,000
Price of 1 ea ADS mind control option - $1,000,000
Price of watching Karl Rove trying to use it – You guessed it.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 19, 2005 12:52 PM
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This is another gadget we don't need, but then again, it's a defense company, and they're not out to make baby strollers.
When it comes to hurting people, the Unites States has no equal. This toy Raytheon has developed reminds me of an old song line by Chicago: "...New ways to kill us, and tell us dirty lies...."
Although this weapon PROMISES no fatal wounds, it could lead to an onslaught of lawsuits should this gizmo severly injure someone and if the weapon falls into the wrong hands.
Oh, well. Give me the U.S. flag and I'll shut up.
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Posted by: Pearl in Colo on Aug 19, 2005 12:59 PM
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The fact that the government will be after anyone in a crowd, what ever the side of the spectrum, since the government will eventually change, is too awful to contemplate. no authority ever gave up a new toy/weapon to my recollection and never refrained from using it.
Good luck to us all; even the "righties" will feel the sting one day. Too bad we can't find the $$$$$ to fund No Child...( some of us call it NC Left With a Dime)!!
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Posted by: Lindie on Aug 19, 2005 4:26 PM
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And, since several new laws are being snuck through congress right now, which are placing serious restrictions on the public's right to assemble (especially if the participants are young and non-white), I rather expect to see some serious incidents involving the ADS by Christmas in DC, Philly, and possibly NYC. Sooner, depending upon how much crowd control someone might believe is needed at - a concert, say ...
Be afraid, people - the original deployments were expected to not occur until next June ...
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Posted by: dancerkc on Aug 19, 2005 4:58 PM
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However, this microwave weapon opens a whole new range of cooked up lies. Dosage is a massive problem here. There are any number of problems from specific individual medical conditions, to items on or in the person, to size, to gender, to current condition to how deeply grouped the persons are and how long the people in front stand before falling, etc.
Then there are the changes in the skin caused by the application of microwaves which may allow further usage to cause deeper penetration - since these specs may be relevant for initial application rather than repeated or extended application.
Dosages will be hugely variant. Which means we will have permanent damage and deaths, especially because the troops and local cops (never trust either) will use this more because the claims say "non-lethal." That reason for indiscriminant use of Tasers is why Tasers have caused so many needless deaths.
And from here, it is only a short step from "Pain" setting to "kill" setting. Same gizmo and ramp the power. Much harder to run out of that kind of ammo.
We need to go back to the days when London's Bobbies were started. Deliberately going out into the violent streets without weapons other than their brains and persuasion. Criminals respected that. Bobbies took pride in that. And until recent events, I was very impressed with London Bobbies after living there for a while when I was in the Air Force years ago. When I got back to the US I was amazed at how overbearing and thuggish our cops suddenly seemed compared to the bobbies.
In the late 50's a HAM friend of my uncle's showed me the inside of a transceiver to explain the (then) new microwave ovens. Radio operators had noticed flies, etcetera, getting zapped, he said, as they flew in the area of certain components.
What killed flies yesterday will kill people tomorrow. Just a matter of when
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Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 19, 2005 11:26 PM
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Those who know better will be a minority, and considered lefty wingnuts for giving the "crazy mob" the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: worksg on Aug 20, 2005 9:04 AM
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I believe that the main danger from mm-wave exposure is developing cataracts, much like looking at the sun. The cataracts may not develop for a year or so after exposure. Metalized sunglasses might offer some protection.
Metals don't absorb mm-waves and get hot, they reflect them like a mirror and may create hot spots in nearby tissue. Clothing made of aluminum window screen, metallized plastic, metallized threads, or carbon fiber thread might offer inexpensive protection against the weapon.
A corner reflector, like an inside corner of a cube, is used to reflect microwaves back in the direction from which they came. A good one can be made from three square aluminum window screens. It may discourage anyone using such a weapon.
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Posted by: ChrisBieber on Aug 21, 2005 4:27 PM
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This tool WILL BE USED...of course it will...all the malcontents and antisocial misfits and TRAITORS need to be controlled... just think...with NATIONAL IDENTITY CARDS and GPS Chips and RFID readers and THIS WEAPON..no more protests...
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Posted by: Epiphany on Aug 22, 2005 11:56 AM
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Posted by: debs99 on Aug 24, 2005 2:43 PM
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"24. HOW TO MAKE A STUN GUN $5.00
So you want to zaaaaap the $hit out of someone? Well, we have just the thing. It delivers a nice little shock of 75,000 volts. And also causes wicked, muscle spasms! sounds like fun, huh? Also included, plans to make a modification that disguises it as a flashlight. How to test your new toy on an unwilling subject—if he goes into a convulsion, twitching, muscle-lock, and starts foaming at the mouth, you might want to tune it UP just a little bit, until you hear your subject go 'BOOM'!"~ (copied word for word from http://www.theinformationcenter.com/ )
These weapons are available now. They are being used by hate groups, criminals, intolerant neighbors, stalkers, connoisseurs of "revenge", and various other sick and twisted types. The fact that they are so easily available on the Internet says there are customers for them, and at least some of those customers can be assumed to be using them. Yet only a couple of states--like Michigan and Massachusetts--have passed laws against them. The discharges can go right through the walls of a person's home--just like a cell phone.
Anybody can get these weapons (or plans for making them) off the internet (from companies with such innocent-sounding names as Plans & Kits Unlimited, Brandon Enterprises, The Information Center, Information Unlimited, and Consumertronics). In the US, it is almost certain that they are also "available" at gun shows and right wing meet-ups.
Why is there so little known about hate and revenge crimes committed with these weapons? I have tried to find statistics from the FBI/DoJ, and they are not to be found.
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