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Giving Up Gaza
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The painting of a wizened rabbi rests on the salon floor amid a maze of Israeli army-issued boxes brimming with toys and puzzles. A power screwdriver whirs as bed frames are undone. Outside, a ditch has been dug around an olive tree that will be uprooted.
Thirteen years ago the couple followed faith and a dream to Gaza, which they believed to be part of the biblical birthright of the Jewish state. Now, like many of the 8,500 Jewish settlers bracing for Israel's withdrawal from Gaza next week, their family of nine has reluctantly begun to gather up their belongings. The moving truck arrives Sunday.
"You can't leave anything. If you don't take it, [the army] will destroy it," says Shimon Snir, while supervising a Palestinian worker taking apart a gazebo. "There's so much to pack we don't even know where to start."
On Monday they will get their eviction notices and Israel's long-anticipated evacuation of 25 settlements in Gaza and the northern West Bank -- a landmark pullback from territory conquered in 1967 and claimed by the Palestinians as part of a future state — will officially swing into motion.
Jewish settlers who haven't already left will then get a two-day grace period to depart. Teams of soldiers and policeman are poised to drag out stalwarts who defy the Aug. 17 deadline, a mission that many worry could spiral into violence and even bloodshed over the course of an evacuation that could last more than a month, according to the army.
But even though 55,000 security forces will take part in the evacuation, Shimon clings to hope that somehow the soldiers will be unable to extract the residents and some 2,000 sympathizers who have infiltrated the settlements over the past few weeks. So, he, his wife Sara, and seven children ranging in ages from 17 years to 18 months will await the soldiers in an empty house stockpiled with water, flour, and flashlights.
The family, which is eligible for $500,000 in compensation, will be fined more than $100,000 if they stay past the 17th, but, they say, money is little solace when you're forced out of home and community.
"Here is where your life is. You build it from start to finish," says Shimon, his skin a rich bronze from years under the Gaza sun. "We won't go like they want us to. They will have to carry us. You have to understand, a person doesn't abandon his house willingly."
The pull of Gaza
As a young couple the Snirs first fell in love with Gaza in the mid-1980s when it was mostly a collection of red-roofed houses in the middle of the sand. There was peace and quiet, and few people. But instead of settling down, they headed to Los Angeles for a taste of life in America.
Returning home six years later, the pull of Gaza remained strong and they moved with their two US-born children to Gaza. Instead of giving them pause, the outbreak of the first Palestinian uprising in 1987 only whetted their appetites to live in Gaza and help claim the disputed territory for Israel.
The Snirs believed Israel had come to Gush Katif to stay. They invested themselves in the settlement block's burgeoning agricultural business -- growing organic cherry tomatoes for export and then pineapples -- and an intimate community of farmers who shared their ideology.
Over a decade, the agricultural land owned by the family increased ninefold to 6.5 acres, bringing in income of $330,000 last year. Now Shimon will have to relocate elsewhere inside Israel, losing out on at least three growing seasons, he says.
Farmers like the Snirs are eligible for compensation for the greenhouses from the Israeli government and the World Bank, as well as free land elsewhere. But, Shimon says, that won't cover their losses.
Even though they moved to Gaza shortly after the first Palestinian uprising, the Snirs say they never anticipated living in a war zone. During the first days of the second Palestinian uprising, gunfire and mortars kept them awake at night. As the intensity died down, occasional shots in the distance became background noise. Several weeks ago, an unexploded mortar shell fell next to 10-year-old Adi.
And yet, leaving Gaza will offer no comfort. "It might give me personal peace of mind,'" Sara says, "but it won't give the country peace."
Indeed, the conflict with the Palestinians isn't over, merely, land in the West Bank and Gaza, they contended. "This isn't about 1967. It's a religious conflict. It's a conflict over the land of Israel," Shimon says.
Starting over
On Wednesday, Sara picked up the keys to the family's temporary home for at least a year -- a cookie-cutter bungalow in a three-month old neighborhood that will absorb one-fifth of the Gaza evacuees.
Located just 15 miles north of Gaza, clouds of dirt filled the air of Nitzan from bulldozers racing to pave the neighborhood's main road. As Sara inspected the domicile just one-fourth of the size of their Gaza home, the usually cheerful mother dabbed her eye. "We'll be living like sardines," she says. "See how small it is? We will all have to shrink to fit in."
Back at the Snir's home in Gaza, young Neorai eats cereal, while pots and pans are being hurriedly bubble-wrapped. The younger siblings haven't yet digested the meaning of the move, says Arbel, the oldest child.
Unlike the thousands of settler youths arriving in Gaza to actively resist pullout, the teenager says she has spent her final nights with friends at the local youth club. "My friends are realistic," she says, her voice choked. "They know that if it happens, there's nothing we can do to stop it."
Outside, amid rows of hothouses, Shimon oversees Palestinian workers uprooting 1.25 acres of pineapple plants that he wants to replant inside Israel. Some will suffer trauma, but others will eventually bear fruit -- a catharsis not unlike what awaits the residents of Gush Katif.
"This week isn't that bad. Next week will be the really difficult one," he says. "Next week there will be no workers, no greenhouses. There will be nowhere to run. You'll have to sit down and think about everything. That won't be easy."
Timeline for Gaza, West Bank pullouts:
Monday, Aug. 15: Official deadline for Israeli civilians to leave the Gaza Strip. Troops will instruct remaining settlers they have 48 hours to leave.
Aug. 15-16: Grace period when settlers can still leave Gaza voluntarily and in their own cars. The army will help them pack without space constraints. Settlers who leave by midnight on Aug. 16 will still be entitled to full compensation.
Aug. 17: Forcible evacuation of the remaining settlers begins. The army will pack the settlers' belongings but limit each household to two containers. Large possessions and cars could get left behind, and families could lose up to 30 percent of their compensation.
Sept. 1-7: Troops will begin dismantling the four West Bank settlements of Ganim, Kadim, Homesh and Sanur.
September: Troops will begin demolishing settlers' homes. Demolitions will take two to three weeks to complete, an army official says. During this time, the Israeli military will be completing their own pullout from the Gaza strip.
October: Palestinians are expected to assume control of the settler areas. Celebrations are planned. Source: AP
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Posted by: stevewilkesuk on Aug 12, 2005 3:52 AM
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Also, I'm rather irritated by the only passing references in this article to "Palestinian workers" - faceless automatons doing Israeli dirty work as in the vast majority of Palestinian cases. Why is it that Israelis can't dig up their own trees? Could it be because the desperate state of the Palestinians means they don't have to? The author decides we don't need to think about that. The pineapple plants get more attention than the Palestinians.
I also don't agree this is a "landmark pullout" - Gaza has become a burden to the Israeli government which has far more interest in the West Bank anyway, as evidenced by the land-grabbing, illegal 'security' (read 'partition') wall.
"We'll be living like sardines" says "the usually cheerful mother" with hundreds of thousands of dollars' compensation in her back pocket - with no comment for the 1.3 million Palestinians crammed into the slums of the Gaza Strip - not to mention the countless Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, etc. - the author doesn't bother to mention this reality. Perhaps Sara could find some comfort in the fact that the bulldozers in the area are "racing to pave the neighborhood's main road" and not racing to demolish her house, as so many Palestinians have experienced.
The author also reports that "This isn't about 1967. It's a religious conflict. It's a conflict over the land of Israel", not mentioning that in fact the PLO accepted the existence of Israel over 20 years ago and have made it very clear many times over that all they want is what international law says they should have - a state of their own. We'll also put to one side the fact that "the land of Israel" is an immensly wealthy nuclear power, which could never face any serious threat from the Palestinians.
Israel will control the borders and airspace of the evacuated Gaza strip, ensuring it could never consitute an independent Palestinian state - something demanded by international law for decades. It's facts like these that need publicity, not stories about how difficult things will be for the poor old illegal settlers.
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Excepting for Arabic culture (in that particular region), Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity in my view. They revere Mohammad as a divine prophet, as I understand it, whereas Christians claim an actual messiah. But all of those groups can claim descendancy from the tribe of Abraham.
Seems to me that the promise would include them all, to the exclusion of infidels like me or maybe Buddhists and Hindi, etc.
But these territories were the spoils of war in '67. Now they have been overly politicised and conjoined to religious and cultural differences. These differences are now intertwined with the resentments, suspicions, intolerances and insecurities that are attendant to all of these issues - cultural norms, displacement from family homes, oppressive containment of large groups of persons, bickering over birthrights, etc. and the situation has become nearly intractible.
What if Israel had merely said 'You attacked us with the stated of goal of pushing us into the sea - but we were up to the challenge and pushed you back a bit instead. Instead of gaining ground, you lost some.'
Diplomatic negotiations might have been a great deal easier had they not in such large numbers celebrated this as vindication with a guiding hand from above.
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Posted by: partimevegan on Aug 12, 2005 3:29 PM
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Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of all illegal settlements, and the beginning of a truly Free Palestine (but not really- Sharon is giving up Gaza so he can hold onto the West Bank- more violence and occupation is sure to remain).
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Posted by: gerty954 on Aug 12, 2005 5:59 PM
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And, Jimbo almost had it right, aide to israel should not be cut off, it should stop immediately, PERIOD. I am tired of my tax dollars funding this atrocity.
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Israel seems to be the only state in the world whose very existence is routinely questioned -- nearly 60 years after its founding -- although it certainly is not the only country with less-than-exemplary origins. In fact, the only difference between Israel and every other state in the world is that it occupied its territory (I'm not referring to the West Bank and Gaza now, but pre-1967 borders) and declared independence 60 years ago, rather than earlier.
Yes, the process of installing Israel in another people's country was totally undemocratic. but it's also how the U.S., Canada, Australia or New Zealand were settled, colonized and expanded by Britain within the last 200 years against the will of their own native inhabitants -- to mention other recent (though less recent) examples.
Singling Israel out repeatedly for criticism in a region where no regime behaves better, and several behave considerably worse has an unpleasant odor to it, particularly when the "atrocity" of 1948 occurred a mere 3 years after the exponentially greater -- by any objective measure, such as lives lost -- atrocity of 1945.
Let's not forget, the desire to re-establish a Jewish homeland (ie Zionism) first arose as a response to European anti-semitism and became inextricably linked to Jewish survival after the Holocaust. Lesser motivations drove British and other European colonialism, or, if you go back further, the origins of virtually every nation-state that exists today.
Although none of this is any consolation for the dispossessed Palestinian population, I'm hoping it will moderate the language of some so-called "progressive" individuals who routinely single out Israel for its actions and particularly, its origins.
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I really don't understand where the seeming representation that the whole Palestinian-Israel conflict can be seen here came from?
Where I live, folks loose everything they have to earthquakes and fires -- or sometimes riots. The only ones I ever hear rubbing their noses in it are drunks at a bar. The two o'clock closing on the Gaza exodus can't come soon enough to suit me.
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Too often, I find that progressives see the situation in Palestine- the hungry children, the demolished homes- and see only one thing to blame: Israel. In reality, this is just not so. Israel is a sovereign nation that has faced existential dissolution since its inception (with wars of annihilation launched against it at its independence in 1948 by six arab states, and again in 1953, and again in 1967, and again on Yom Kippur in 1973) and now must defend its citizen against enemies who preach the slaughter of every Jew "from the Jordan to the Sea" and are willing to massacre the innocent to hasten the day their final goal can be realized. Being able to deal with these people effectively, while at the same time negotiate a peace deal with those who generally want for peace, is a difficult (and sadly, sometimes seemingly fruitless) endeavor.
For all of those progressives out there who are ready to rip this posting apart for its stupidity, naivete', bias, etc., before you go, I want you to for a moment think about this: where is the Palestinian Gandhi? The Muslim Martin Luther King Jr? Where are the leaders courageous enough to stand up and rally their people against the terrorists in their midst? I believe that the day that the Palestinian people have the courage to stand up to those in their society who perpetuate terror against civilians in discos and restaurants and buses and tell them, "stop! we cannot make peace this way," we will see a final settlement between Israel and the Palestinian people. Because in truth, if the Palestinians laid down their arms tomorow, there would be a Palestinian State; if Israel laid down its arms tomorow, there would be no Israel.
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Posted by: stevewilkesuk on Aug 12, 2005 3:52 AM
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Also, I'm rather irritated by the only passing references in this article to "Palestinian workers" - faceless automatons doing Israeli dirty work as in the vast majority of Palestinian cases. Why is it that Israelis can't dig up their own trees? Could it be because the desperate state of the Palestinians means they don't have to? The author decides we don't need to think about that. The pineapple plants get more attention than the Palestinians.
I also don't agree this is a "landmark pullout" - Gaza has become a burden to the Israeli government which has far more interest in the West Bank anyway, as evidenced by the land-grabbing, illegal 'security' (read 'partition') wall.
"We'll be living like sardines" says "the usually cheerful mother" with hundreds of thousands of dollars' compensation in her back pocket - with no comment for the 1.3 million Palestinians crammed into the slums of the Gaza Strip - not to mention the countless Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, etc. - the author doesn't bother to mention this reality. Perhaps Sara could find some comfort in the fact that the bulldozers in the area are "racing to pave the neighborhood's main road" and not racing to demolish her house, as so many Palestinians have experienced.
The author also reports that "This isn't about 1967. It's a religious conflict. It's a conflict over the land of Israel", not mentioning that in fact the PLO accepted the existence of Israel over 20 years ago and have made it very clear many times over that all they want is what international law says they should have - a state of their own. We'll also put to one side the fact that "the land of Israel" is an immensly wealthy nuclear power, which could never face any serious threat from the Palestinians.
Israel will control the borders and airspace of the evacuated Gaza strip, ensuring it could never consitute an independent Palestinian state - something demanded by international law for decades. It's facts like these that need publicity, not stories about how difficult things will be for the poor old illegal settlers.
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Excepting for Arabic culture (in that particular region), Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity in my view. They revere Mohammad as a divine prophet, as I understand it, whereas Christians claim an actual messiah. But all of those groups can claim descendancy from the tribe of Abraham.
Seems to me that the promise would include them all, to the exclusion of infidels like me or maybe Buddhists and Hindi, etc.
But these territories were the spoils of war in '67. Now they have been overly politicised and conjoined to religious and cultural differences. These differences are now intertwined with the resentments, suspicions, intolerances and insecurities that are attendant to all of these issues - cultural norms, displacement from family homes, oppressive containment of large groups of persons, bickering over birthrights, etc. and the situation has become nearly intractible.
What if Israel had merely said 'You attacked us with the stated of goal of pushing us into the sea - but we were up to the challenge and pushed you back a bit instead. Instead of gaining ground, you lost some.'
Diplomatic negotiations might have been a great deal easier had they not in such large numbers celebrated this as vindication with a guiding hand from above.
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Posted by: partimevegan on Aug 12, 2005 3:29 PM
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Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of all illegal settlements, and the beginning of a truly Free Palestine (but not really- Sharon is giving up Gaza so he can hold onto the West Bank- more violence and occupation is sure to remain).
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Posted by: gerty954 on Aug 12, 2005 5:59 PM
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And, Jimbo almost had it right, aide to israel should not be cut off, it should stop immediately, PERIOD. I am tired of my tax dollars funding this atrocity.
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Israel seems to be the only state in the world whose very existence is routinely questioned -- nearly 60 years after its founding -- although it certainly is not the only country with less-than-exemplary origins. In fact, the only difference between Israel and every other state in the world is that it occupied its territory (I'm not referring to the West Bank and Gaza now, but pre-1967 borders) and declared independence 60 years ago, rather than earlier.
Yes, the process of installing Israel in another people's country was totally undemocratic. but it's also how the U.S., Canada, Australia or New Zealand were settled, colonized and expanded by Britain within the last 200 years against the will of their own native inhabitants -- to mention other recent (though less recent) examples.
Singling Israel out repeatedly for criticism in a region where no regime behaves better, and several behave considerably worse has an unpleasant odor to it, particularly when the "atrocity" of 1948 occurred a mere 3 years after the exponentially greater -- by any objective measure, such as lives lost -- atrocity of 1945.
Let's not forget, the desire to re-establish a Jewish homeland (ie Zionism) first arose as a response to European anti-semitism and became inextricably linked to Jewish survival after the Holocaust. Lesser motivations drove British and other European colonialism, or, if you go back further, the origins of virtually every nation-state that exists today.
Although none of this is any consolation for the dispossessed Palestinian population, I'm hoping it will moderate the language of some so-called "progressive" individuals who routinely single out Israel for its actions and particularly, its origins.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 13, 2005 10:56 PM
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I really don't understand where the seeming representation that the whole Palestinian-Israel conflict can be seen here came from?
Where I live, folks loose everything they have to earthquakes and fires -- or sometimes riots. The only ones I ever hear rubbing their noses in it are drunks at a bar. The two o'clock closing on the Gaza exodus can't come soon enough to suit me.
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» Ok, let's put in context
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» Sure, but the story was about how there's plenty of pain to go around.
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» "Plenty of pain to go around"?
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» I didn't think the story was about choosing up sides?
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» Choosing sides
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» Are you saying that the gas chambers were also a 'human interest' story?
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» Eh?
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» I thought the story was about emmigration not immigration
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Posted by: AdamBaum on Aug 17, 2005 12:04 AM
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Too often, I find that progressives see the situation in Palestine- the hungry children, the demolished homes- and see only one thing to blame: Israel. In reality, this is just not so. Israel is a sovereign nation that has faced existential dissolution since its inception (with wars of annihilation launched against it at its independence in 1948 by six arab states, and again in 1953, and again in 1967, and again on Yom Kippur in 1973) and now must defend its citizen against enemies who preach the slaughter of every Jew "from the Jordan to the Sea" and are willing to massacre the innocent to hasten the day their final goal can be realized. Being able to deal with these people effectively, while at the same time negotiate a peace deal with those who generally want for peace, is a difficult (and sadly, sometimes seemingly fruitless) endeavor.
For all of those progressives out there who are ready to rip this posting apart for its stupidity, naivete', bias, etc., before you go, I want you to for a moment think about this: where is the Palestinian Gandhi? The Muslim Martin Luther King Jr? Where are the leaders courageous enough to stand up and rally their people against the terrorists in their midst? I believe that the day that the Palestinian people have the courage to stand up to those in their society who perpetuate terror against civilians in discos and restaurants and buses and tell them, "stop! we cannot make peace this way," we will see a final settlement between Israel and the Palestinian people. Because in truth, if the Palestinians laid down their arms tomorow, there would be a Palestinian State; if Israel laid down its arms tomorow, there would be no Israel.
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