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Ten Hollywood Movies That Get Women Right

By Sheerly Avni, AlterNet. Posted August 12, 2005.


Forget empowering, encouraging, affirming or celebrated -- here are ten movies that feature real women.
Ten Hollywood Movies That Get Women Right
Ten Hollywood Movies That Get Women Right

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A few weeks ago, two AlterNet critics asked whether white Hollywood could ever make a good movie about race relations. This in turn led us to another question: Can Hollywood directors -- male or female -- make good movies about women?

At first, it seems like a ludicrous question. After all, we've come so far since the bad old days when Western writer Max Brand summarized everything wrong with the roles we were assigned on film. "There should be a woman," he said, "but not much of one. A good horse is much more important."

Today, we've got our Meg Ryan comedies, our Meryl Streep dramas, and our Angelina Jolie desert romps. We've got girls with guns, girls with laser beams, girls with briefcases, girls with magic powers -- what's there to complain about?

Quite a bit, I think. I'm a woman who makes IMDB.com her homepage, considers popcorn and Raisinets a well-balanced meal, and pays for the "Magic of 8" on her Netflix account because three DVDs at a time just isn't enough. But I've finally accepted that when it comes to putting people who look like me onscreen, Hollywood really only has four movies on its menu, which it reheats and serves to us over and over again:

The Chick Flick. That 90-minute sitcom you're always stuck watching on the plane. Oh, look, they met in a dog park! But neither one of them has dogs! Wait, they love each other online, but hate each other in real life! Oh no, he/she is a hired escort, but in the end, true love will find a way! More exercises in tabloid wish fulfillment than love stories, the chick flick makes you feel like you need a shower, or at least a wardrobe overhaul.

The Earnest Social Commentary. Norma Rae, Silkwood, Erin Brockovich. In which brave women face down The Man, and let us go home feeling exultant, or at least ready to place our bets in the Oscar pool.

The Cancer Weepie. Terms of Endearment, Stepmom, Steel Magnolias. More brave women share their souls on hospital beds, tearing up photogenically as the sisterhood sweeps them up in tissue-soaked arms and ushers them into the great beyond.

The Action Figure. Catwoman, Tomb Raider, Elektra. All the one-dimensional women in three-dimensional popup bras, who seem pieced together to elicit a collective "You go, girlfriend!" from the audience. As if we all thought heroism -- or rather, heroinism -- should be defined by humorlessness, spandex and a good personal trainer.

Throughout my (evidently unrequited) love affair with Hollywood, I've been empowered, encouraged, affirmed and celebrated on screen to within an inch of my life, but I've almost never felt represented in any way that felt plausible. I say almost never, because even in Hollywood, there are exceptions -- ten of which I humbly submit to you here -- in which the women, their relationships or their circumstances, feel somehow authentic, or, for lack of a better word, real.

Beyond saying that they resonate with my sense of what being a woman means, can I define exactly what makes them real? No, and I wouldn't want to, especially because all those attempts to define female authenticity is part of the problem to begin with. But, like Justice Stewart, I know it when I see it.

(This is, of course, my own highly subjective and unscientifically produced list of anti-Max Brand movies that do offer Much of a Woman. It is based entirely, I'm sure, on personal biases and childhood traumas. AlterNet readers are invited to add alternate lists in the comments section.)

Alien (1979) The iconic image of Sigourney Weaver, cursing behind awesome firepower with her sweaty tank top (and butch hair in Alien 2), spawned a whole crop of chicks-with-ammo knockoffs. But the real leap was 10 years earlier, when writer/producer team Dan O'Bannen and David Giler were pitching their script about a monster that steals aboard a spaceship and starts picking off crew members. It was the mid-70s, and when the filmmakers heard that Twentieth Century Fox was looking for strong female leads, they decided at the last minute to make their main character, Ripley, a woman. Ripley was never intended to be a spokesman, a symbol or a poster child; at first, she was just a marketing gimmick. But when Ridley Scott took over the film and cast then-unknown Weaver in the role, he gave us one of the beautiful, powerful and believable heroines we'd seen so far: She fought to keep the ship secure, fought to keep her crew alive, and finally, in a harrowing last scene, managed to blast the terrifying alien into deepest space. Scott made very few alterations to accommodate the new gender of its star and only survivor -- which was exactly the point. It was the first time I ever saw a capable woman onscreen in a way that didn't call attention to the fact that she was a "capable woman."


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Posted by: bullwinkle on Aug 12, 2005 1:46 AM   
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I'm a long time reader of AlterNet and this is the first time I write a comment. Why? Because, frankly, this is the first time I've come accross an article this retarded.
While I agree with the author on some points (like the Ripley character in Alien painting a very convincing "accidental heroine" and very elegantly making the viewer feel a woman's enormous inherent strength), searching for "convincing women" in Hollywood mainstream (as she is doing) is not much short of the journalism I come to AlterNet to avoid. Princess Leia? Catwoman? It's wasted metaphorical paper in this case. Is the purpose of the article lost if all the mentioned articles are not Hollywood mainstream?
Well, how about Ada McGrath in "The Piano" (1993) - don't tell me she is not a more convincing woman than Catwoman? To continue off the top of my head, completely at random - Sara Goldfarb and Marion Silver in "Requiem for a Dream" (2000) are BOTH more convincing women then Princess Leia can ever hope to be. u.s.w.

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Jane Darnell as Ma Joad in "The Grapes of Wrath"
Posted by: iamsenstiveyellow on Aug 12, 2005 4:14 AM   
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Jane Darnell should have won an oscar when she played Ma Joad in the Grapes Of Wrath, based on John Steinbecks novel of the same name. She played an aging mother trying to hold the family together against seemingly impossible odds. At the end of the story she gives an impromptu speech about womanhood that every woman and every man should watch and learn from. The movie was produced in 1940 and the after effects of the Great Depression were still fresh in everyone's mind. It's a classic statement on the strength of people in general to overcome adversity, but in particular the matriarchal figure.

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Shame
Posted by: Colin on Aug 12, 2005 4:31 AM   
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And I think it is a shame whenever I read articles like this. It feels more like a random blog rather than anything else.

The point you are making is valid although I think it confine it to Hollywood would be a little small minded. Given that Hollywood is owned and run predmoinantly by men, the fact that films lean towards the masculine is hardly surprising. Perhaps with your presumed knowledge in the field you may be better served establishing the nature of patriarchal dominance in Hollywood as opposed to reeling off a list of your faves. It depends what you're after - an opportunity to moan or to make a difference.

PS Wasn't the sequel to 'Alien' called 'Aliens' rather than 'Alien 2'?

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I can't believe . . .
Posted by: JLPearson on Aug 12, 2005 4:39 AM   
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. . . that Fargo was not listed! Frances McDormand's brilliant character, Police Chief Marge Gunderson, made the list of top movie heroes. Persistent, patient, pragmatic, and pregnant Chief Gunderson tracked the killers/kidnappers down in spite of blizzards and morning sickness to solve the case.

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A good horse IS more important
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 12, 2005 5:03 AM   
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Western writer Max Brand almost got it right. "There should be a woman," he's quoted as saying, "but not much of one. A good horse is much more important." He's right: a good horse is much more important. (A good dog ditto.) Where he goes astray is in saying that there should be a woman but "not much of one." There shouldn't be any women at all. As long as there are no women on the screen, it's possible to see the non-women as complex and diverse individuals and to follow them into whatever dangers and dilemmas they get into. This is what I did as a kid who started going to movies (westerns whenever possible) in the late 1950s. When the woman came on screen, it was clear even to an eight- or ten-year-old girl that she "wasn't much of one," and, worse, her appearance invariably made the more interesting male characters start acting like jerks. IOW, it was a good time to go out for popcorn.

One of the first non-comedies I saw where the female lead wasn't embarrassing was _Sunday, Bloody Sunday_ (1971). (Glenda Jackson doesn't do embarrassing.) And my favorite movie of all time, more than 40 years after I first saw it at not quite 12 years old, is still _Lawrence of Arabia._ (_Bridge on the River Kwai_ isn't far behind.)

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One guy's view
Posted by: roger1 on Aug 12, 2005 5:43 AM   
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I am not surprised that so many critical comments appeared. I do not think the author has seen too many movies, either within or outside of Hollywood. Also, this article is shallow. It adds nothing to the important debate on the debasing of women by Hollywood. The article is a rehash of criticisms, almost all of which are valid, that have been around on occasion since Hollywood began, but in abudance since the late 1960's.

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» RE: One guy's view Posted by: nickbk
Avni - so misunderstood?
Posted by: philame on Aug 12, 2005 8:03 AM   
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Surprised by the number of people who thought this article was crap. Is it a case of skimming and not following Avni's intention? Or a case of mismatched expectations?

She set out with the question of whether Hollywood could get representing women right. So that explains the focus on Hollywood.

She then concluded, that in most cases we get peddled cariacatures of women - thus the list of the 4 or 5 types of typical roles.

Then she moves to explain that despite this, there are several exceptions and she lists them. Before doing so she makes quite clear that her choices are based on her personal tastes and feelings about being a woman (and maybe childhood traumas :)).

I would have liked a conclusion: some commentary broadening the issue out to women in general or some summary analysis of what her choices say about gender representations and how/why the same Hollywood produced these exceptions, but that doesn't mean the article is fluff and a waste of time.

This to me seemed like a Girlie take on Hollywood. I personally appreciated how she infused the article with the personal, brought in her childhood admiration of Princess Lea for example and played with gender by including Fight Club. Hats off for also naturally including women of color as women, Avni.

Yes, the article could have been better on some points, but it was not so bad as the comments suggest- it's positive to see an analysis of women's representation that was FUN and playful - for a change - while still being smart.

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saved by a woman
Posted by: mors on Aug 12, 2005 8:32 AM   
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I'm a western girl. I live in the wild surrounded by gunslinging men. I don't carry a gun because I figure there's enough firepower all around me to take care of anything that might crop up and, besides, I'd probably shoot somebody and that's illegal now and I'd go to jail. Looking for a heroine, someone to admire, in modern culture, leaves a sense of barrenness. I want to be just like Agustus McCrea of Lonesome Dove when I grow up. Or The Gunslinger in Stephen King's trilogy. Or the last chief in Hanta Yo! Or Tristan in Jim Harrison's Legends of The Fall. Nowhere have I found a woman real enough to relate to until Hollyweird made The Quick and The Dead. I don't take my lead from Hollywood, but the main, female character of a loner, a straight shooter, an emotionally condemned victim-turned-victor over the lawlessness of men cinched it for me, especially because there was no dependence on a man for fulfillment.

We have a saying out here in the west: cowgirl up. That means that no matter how many events beat you down, you get back on that horse and ride like you've never done.

Show me a woman with strength and I'll show you a leader of man(kind).

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Good conversation?
Posted by: mentler on Aug 12, 2005 8:34 AM   
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I enjoyed the article. No, it's not a researched, newsworthy piece. It's more like the good conversation that I dream about having at a party. Most conversations aren't logical or sustained and usually devolve into someone's self-absorption.

So in the spirit of the conversations I yearn for: Yes, Ridley exactly captures gender-transcendent heroism! That's why I read sci-fi I think--it's the only genre in which gender-roles can be irrelevant. People can just be human and succeed or fail on those terms.

So comments on Buffy and her girlfriends? She's definitely a girl, and the issues she works through are colored by gender--but they're rarely limited by that.

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C'mon now...
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Aug 12, 2005 8:38 AM   
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this list is not that bad. I certainly thought "Silence" was a good choice and Batwoman was interesting too. Do those of you critics who knock down these strong women in movies not realize that you're doing what people all too often do in response to women in films? Yeah, perhaps the list is not perfect but, well for example "Alien" and "Star Wars" were of course seen by many many people and young girls most importantly so the fact that they are not perfect examples is perhaps not as important as the fact that they do offer decent, gritty female characters about whom young impressionable girls can of course take something positive. The comment about Fight Club is interesting and the user's comment about including Marge ("you betcha") Gunderson (and her agreeable house-husband) was also well-taken.

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Norma Rae---starring Sally Field
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 12, 2005 8:45 AM   
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I was surprised that the list didn't include the outstanding movie Norma Rae (1979), the true story of a woman who led a fight for unionization of an exploitive textile factory in the south.

It was probably left out partly to the reason that it depicts a feminist charcter who (horror! didn't attend Vassar or Byrn Mawr.

The tone of the article and the movies selected seemed to suggest (to me at least) an elitist upper-income perspective. Perhaps a movie about a gutsy southern working girl doesn't fit in with the world-view of people who earn 50K+/year and think the world only consists of the East Coast and the West Coast with a few savages in between.

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LaVieja
Posted by: LaVieja on Aug 12, 2005 8:58 AM   
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Avni . . . I enjoyed your article; I'm a chick; I despise Chick Flicks (i.e., flicks made by guys who are CLUELESS what chicks want); I got new insights from your list. I already had to agree with quintessential-eye-and-brain-candy Brad Pitt WHO SAID IN AN INTERVIEW to suspend judgement on "Fight Club" because it's not what you think . . . !

I'm never surprised anymore when guys crawl out of the woodwork and force their opinions on us. What are they? Afraid Victoria Secret models will one day not be the zenith of Femaleness in their own minds?

And thanks for reminding us that anything wrong with Princess Leia was George Lucas's fault (further promulgated in Padme's whimping out in "Revenge of the Sith" - he directed Natalie into a corner), overcome by scriptwriters' insistence that she be born with Jedi tendencies literally akin to Luke's.

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» RE: LaVieja Posted by: Olympiada
Alien
Posted by: Olympiada on Aug 12, 2005 9:00 AM   
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Thank you for this article. Alien is listed on my blog profile as one of my favorite movies. (My daughter is cleaning the bathroom sink at 4 years old, Lord have mercy!) Anyways I got to thinking, why do I like this movie? Well I like the monsters to be sure and I like horror movies, but more than that I like Signourey Weaver! She's cool. She's hip. She's sexy. She's a lean mean killing machine. She reminds me of my mom, well the lean and mean part. See my mom is a runner and so the notion of feminine beauty I was given was just that, mean and lean...Signourey Weaver rocks in that movie. I want to be her.

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It's sad to see so many unconstructive critics on Alternet
Posted by: noelahg on Aug 12, 2005 11:16 AM   
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Her piece was quite fresh compared to the negative psycho-babble of you self-righteous commentators. At no point was she offering up her ideas as fact. I think the piece was written more to inspire some comraderie between women. Instead, she recieved her readers vomit. Shame on all of you unhappy twits!

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MY LIST
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 12, 2005 11:18 AM   
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1. Practical Magic....women are strong...stronger than men...inherently..when we organize. (The coven broomstick scene)

2. The Dark Secret of Harvest Home...women are the true leaders and men better know their place......(the human sacrifice scene)

3. Dolores Clayborne. Now there's a woman really knows how to critique male authors!

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Terri
Posted by: TBrazil on Aug 12, 2005 11:19 AM   
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When all is said and done on our review of this thought-provoking article, we're still sleeping with the enemy after all these years, still referring to ourselves and to each other as "chicks". Give me a break!

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Mockingbird Correction
Posted by: mshearon on Aug 12, 2005 12:41 PM   
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Just a point of order...in "TKAM," Scout's brother's name was Jem, not Jed.

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Retired accountant and all around pain-in-the-B**t
Posted by: bethgrimes on Aug 12, 2005 1:17 PM   
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I just want to add my support to the writer who spoke so truly of Fargo. The best real woman pic I ever saw and I'm almost 80 years old.

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You missed it
Posted by: JHH on Aug 12, 2005 1:39 PM   
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There are so many female roles in movies that are exemplary, exciting, and inspiring--I can't figure out the source of this commentary at all! Have you ever seen "How to Make an American Quilt" ? There is an array of roles to be reckoned with and ample opportunity to struggle to absorb their meanings, along with the protagonist. Or what about Katherine Hepburn's Eleanor of Aquitaine to Peter O'Toole's Henry II in "The Lion in Winter"? Her role, her lines and her delivery were the stuff of feminism forever! There are ever so many! Where are you coming from? And how old are you?

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» What makes an exemplary woman? Posted by: existential comrade
' dance me outside'
Posted by: 2rivers on Aug 12, 2005 2:00 PM   
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needs to be there for me !

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Bla
Posted by: hymalaia on Aug 12, 2005 2:41 PM   
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Hollywood movies rarely get ANYONE right let alone women. If you want to see films truly sympathetic to the female point of view, you need to go to Indy's or old foreign films. Go watch a film by Kenji Mizoguchi, or Antonioni's trilogy with Monica Vitti. Of course most "feminists" these days would probably be offended by such works because they are too close to reality (how dare a woman forgive her boyfriend for cheating, as in the ending of "L'Avventura") and were made by (gasp) men anyway, thus don't count.

Good films about a woman by a woman: Barbara Loden's "Wanda" , Chantal Akerman's "Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai Du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles" (Good luck finding copies of those).

Recent films with good female characters: Funny Ha Ha; Dogville; Safe.

I'm sure there are plenty others, but what I've mentioned are good starting points.

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Cat woman
Posted by: eocilian on Aug 12, 2005 5:13 PM   
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I saw a picture of cat woman on the link to this article. I was worried. Well done for not putting that novie in the top 10.

Alien is one of the best movies I have ever seen and portrays women and black men as I wish to be seen in movies. Not the black hip hop hero with a racial message or the overly strong feminist, actual people. The black guy in alien was a little bit of an ***hole, then again so were all the other characters, just like in real life, as premiers are supposed to be.

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JackieD
Posted by: jackyD on Aug 12, 2005 6:28 PM   
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Dolores Claiborne - yes! And speaking of Kathy Bates, how about Fried Green Tomatos?

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What about Sissy Spacek
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Aug 12, 2005 6:50 PM   
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in Coal Miner's Daughter? Never seen that film but have heard it's very good. Anyone?

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Favorite Movie of All Time (for me)
Posted by: NonnyO on Aug 12, 2005 7:21 PM   
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The Lion in Winter... Katharine Hepburn won an Academy Award for playing Eleanor of Aquitaine. I've read a few bios of Eleanor... Fascinating! Hepburn captured her well, costumes had no zippers, there were muddy baileys with chickens and livestock and baggage wains, cold Romanesque castles (Hepburn's bio said the director searched for Romanesque architecture in old castles; Gothic architecture was just being invented at the time, as I learned in Art History classes later), and music was evocative of the period. In a way, James Goldman couldn't do much to damage a script - other than make the 1183 event fictitious - although Henry II did keep Eleanor a prisoner in various castles for 17 years before he died because she tried to overthrow Henry and put Richard on the throne. After Henry died, Eleanor lived to a great old age for that period in history. The script for Eleanor drew upon her life, contemporary sources who recorded conversations and events, and Eleanor really did ride with her ladies 'bare breasted like Amazons' for part of the journey on one of the crusades when she was Queen of France and wife of King Louis (VII?) - she had more land in the Aquitaine than all of the country of France at the time, and she was richer than he was. After four daughters, she divorced Louis, married Henry Plantagenet, and was then Queen of England and two of her sons became kings of England: Richard the Lionheart (who was gay), and John Lackland who was forced to sign the Magna Carta. (If memory serves, she gave birth to a total of eleven children between the two kings.)

I also liked Adam's Rib with Hepburn and Tracy. A lot of 40s movie scripts were written by women. In general, dialogue in '40s movies had better lines for women most of the time, and Hepburn was always superb in her 'strong woman' roles....

Current favorite modern movie: Something's Gotta Give starring Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson, Written, Produced and Directed by Nancy Meyers... a woman. A romantic comedy with two older people in the leading roles. Who'd a thunk it could be so funny and touching at the same time? Keaton's laugh lines and wrinkles show, but it also shows that older women are VERY interesting - and incredibly sexy! Coco Chanel said " A woman does not become interesting until she is over 40." Chanel was right! :-) Speaking as a woman less than a year away from 60....

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'Real Women' Not On List?
Posted by: jello on Aug 12, 2005 7:31 PM   
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Now I know that whenever a writer chooses a list they'll be criticized for who they left off.. but I really think the young woman depicted in 'Real Women Have Curves' (not to mention the fantastic actress playing her, America Ferrera) deserved mention on your list. She's feisty, smart, not physically perfect but sexually active, questions those around her, and carefully, strategically, plans for a life better than the one she was brought up in.

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Mattie in "True Grit"
Posted by: GeekFunk on Aug 12, 2005 8:15 PM   
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I agree with Alien selection. In addition to the woman becoming the hero, I remember being disturbed that the presumptive "White Guy Hero" character played by Tom Skerritt gets knocked off by the alien monster early in the movie. When the alien gobbled up our only possible savior, it was like, "What the hell are we going to do now? Who's going to save us? We ain't got no white guy to kill the monster and take us home"
I would add "True Grit" to the list. The Mattie character was one of a kind. She had more sense, guts, and grit than all the other characters combined. And you know, all the other characters in the story knew it. The screen play was written by a woman, Marguerite Roberts.

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» RE: Mattie in "True Grit" Posted by: Olympiada
ricksahm's view
Posted by: ricksahm on Aug 12, 2005 8:24 PM   
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Scout's brother was Jem, not Jed.
http://ricksahmsview.blogspot.com

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Jane Darwell
Posted by: susanhathaway on Aug 13, 2005 1:26 AM   
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I agree with your comment on her performance in "The Grapes of Wrath" (and the deserved Oscar), but the actress's name was Jane Darwell, not Darnell.

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Jackie Brown---Yeah!
Posted by: Skyblue on Aug 13, 2005 6:39 AM   
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I can't tell you how many times I've watched Jackie Brown and marveled at one of the most fascinating, thoughtful depictions of a black woman on screen. I appreciate brains, no matter the circumstances, because the lesson is in the process. Her story was one of not giving up, of looking at two futures--one in jail and one not in jail, and she played a multi-faceted game to achieve the latter. She was exceptionally street smart, didn't do the typical stupid thing, used her brains in a logical strategy, was cocky and sexy, loved the Delfonics (so cool) and in the end, drove away in her nemesis's car. That was cold--and so cool! JB put a whole new spin on growing old gracefully in the hood. Would Hollywood ever think of writing such a role for a blond with big boobs?

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Not bad but don't forget Monster
Posted by: jgrossnas on Aug 13, 2005 6:45 AM   
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This isn't a bad list but Monster definitely needs to be on there. Charlize Theron deserved the Oscar for that for sure. It's an incredibly atypical, complex character that she plays. The heroine of a film as serial killer who insists that God's on her side? What's more amazing is that you feel sympathy for her, not just when she first kills to save her own life but also when she kills someone who earnestly wants to help her. You know that what she's doing is wrong but you can't help feeling for her nevertheless. One reason that the film box office returns are in the dumps nowadays is that studios are squeamish about taking chances with a character and story like that.

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A woman scientist
Posted by: natural cynic on Aug 13, 2005 4:12 PM   
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I was impressed and charmed with Jodie Foster as Ellie Arroway in Contact. She is a strong woman in just about the geekiest field, SETI, and is also well-rounded and complex person. She also gets dissed by the scientific establishment and makes many attempts to overcome them, sometimes in an expected, but clumsy fashion. Jodie Foster gives the character a nice combination of competance and vulnerability.
I believe this movie was Foster's deal from the start and Hollywood would only have produced it with her backing. Foster plays Arroway with her own age in mind - mid 30's. It might have been more believable with the part of Ellie about 10 years older as it is in Carl Sagan's novel.

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» Hell yeah! Posted by: nickptar
I used to believe in the theory of evolution...
Posted by: joss5 on Aug 14, 2005 9:31 AM   
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...now I really wonder ( and not only because Bush is a good counter exemple...). I read Avni's essay with interest. It may not be exhaustive or necessarily profound, but at no point does it claim to be. Avni states that it is her PERSONAL opinion, and from this perspective she makes not only a valid point about Hollywood, but gives us as well (personal) psychological insights about how a particular woman perceives of her womanhood through an unexpected choice of movies. Avni does not force her readers to agree with her , rather she asks them to engage her choices. Dialogue and communication usually call for openness and generosity , not tunnel vision and vulgarities. It is very easy for any of us to write a one liner calling a writer "retarted" or "rich easterner vs ignored southerner", or to pick on one sentence of Avni's (subjectively) coherent commentary, than to analyze intelligently an aspect of American cinema and culture (which Avni does). Read the essay for what IT says and not for what you want to say, regardless of the essay's objective. Alternately, write an essay yourself, if you're so knowledgeable and better equipped than Avni's on the subject. Clearly if there are so many responses to this essay, it is because Avni has touched a chord among many of her readers (and i'm one among the respondents who "read" the essay). The others can continue scratching their navels and think they are contributing to an intelligent discussion -- more as counter examples of evolutionary theory than on the subject of Hollywood cinema.

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"Love and Basketball" nailed it
Posted by: tiffanybrown76 on Aug 15, 2005 7:31 AM   
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It was hokey at times, but I dug how Monica (played by Sanaa Lathan) managed to be tough, vulnerable, ambitious, competitive, strong, pretty and caring all at once. It's as much a love story as it is a personal journey and a commentary on women's sports in the U.S.

By the end of the movie, Monica reconciles all of the facets of her womanhood -- world-class athlete, mother, wife, rebellious-tomboy-daughter- whose-mom-chose-motherhood- over-career. And by the movie's end, both Monica and Quincy (love interest played by Omar Epps) learn that love is about mutual support and sacrifice.

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Where's the love for Sarah Conner?
Posted by: mary.bokkon on Aug 16, 2005 8:52 AM   
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One of my favorite Hollywood heroines, right up there with Ripley and Starling, is Sarah Conner from the Terminator movies. I like her because she gets to range from dippy 19-year old college girl who falls in love with a perfectly romantic and tragic man, to Madonna-mother-of-the-Savior, to Cassandra (the character from Greek mythology who had the gift of prophecy, but no one would believe her), to a zero percent body fat raging mother bear protecting her cub. I haven't watched the third Terminator yet (I heard it was not at all good) but I also heard that the explanation for the character's absence was that she developed diabetes and refused to see a doctor or take care of herself and died. Sounds like a pretty reasonable death for a woman obsessed with the appocolypse.

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Leia
Posted by: AnxietyGirl on Aug 17, 2005 1:01 PM   
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Poor Leia gets so much crap because of that damn gold bikini--and yes, it sucked--but doesn't she get any credit for strangling the loathsome slug who put her in it, and before that, infiltrating the palace and rescuing her boyfriend? And then going on to help lead the Rebellion? As a little girl, those were the things that made an impact on me. She was clever, and she had guts, and for all of ROTJ's flaws, those qualities still shined through. She certainly fared better than her mother, even with the soft-focus forest glade stuff of the third act.

Loved the inclusion of "Auntie Mame". Rosalind Russell was wonderful in that movie.

I think if one wants to see fascinating female characters today, one would do better to look to television. Battlestar Galactica is full of complex women, and without constantly calling attention to their gender as some shows have been wont to do. (For instance, Kara Thrace is not a Woman Viper Pilot like Kathryn Janeway was a Woman Starship Captain.)

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