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A Mother's Texas Vigil

By Lakshmi Chaudhry, AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2005.


Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in the Iraq war, talks about her determination to speak to President Bush -- consequences be damned. (With audio)
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[Editor's Note: The audio for this interview is also available from AlterNet. Follow this link to listen and download the interview.]

Cindy Sheehan is a woman standing vigil in the eye of a gathering storm. This grieving mother -- who lost her son in the war on Iraq -- has been waiting outside President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch to meet face-to-face with the commander-in-chief.

Her vigil is receiving widespread media coverage, and on Tuesday, 16 Democratic members of Congress signed a letter requesting Bush to meet with her. Sheehan has also launched a Web site, Meet With Cindy, to help promote her cause.

Even as other members of military families, activists and ordinary citizens rally to her cause, the right-wing attack machine has already kicked into gear, questioning her motives and distorting her statements. But it's to little avail -- Sheehan remains undaunted, even while facing threats of imprisonment.

She spoke with AlterNet on the phone from Crawford.

Let me first start and ask you about what everyone's most concerned about, which is the news that you might be arrested if you don't leave by Thursday as a national security threat. Who did you hear that from?

A Texas state legislator for Crawford called us and told us that yesterday I believe.

But you are planning to stay?

Oh yeah, there are only three ways I'm going to leave: If I meet with George Bush, if it's the end of August [and he leaves Crawford], or if I get arrested.

How do you feel about the prospect of getting arrested?

I'm ready, I'm doing the right thing. What are they going to arrest me for, being right?

As you must know, the right wing media has been in full attack mode, and they're suggesting that you're just a patsy, someone who's deluded, who's been brainwashed, a patsy for the anti-war movement. What is your response to that?

My response is "baloney." I'm not a patsy for the anti-war movement: War is wrong, this war is wrong, and our kids need to come home.

One of the things they're saying most recently is that you already met with President Bush. What was that first meeting like, what was going through your mind? Because I know in the full news report it came out that you did have reservations about the war already, even at the time of the first meeting.

Right, I did have reservations about the war before Casey was killed. But also, in that first meeting, I was in shock. We just buried Casey barely two months before. I think it's really ironic that they're so willing to assiduously scrutinize the mother of a war hero, a grieving mother, a mother filled with shock and grief, but they won't even scrutinize a president when he says Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, when everybody else is saying, "No, he doesn't." If the mainstream media and the right-wing media hadn't been such propaganda tools for Washington D.C., my son might still be alive.

What did the President say to you during that first meeting?

He first got there, he walked in and said, "So who are were honoring here?" He didn't even know Casey's name, he didn't, nobody could have whispered to him, "Mr. President, this is the Sheehan family, their son Casey was killed in Iraq." We thought that was pretty disrespectful to not even know Casey's name, and to walk in and say, "So who are we honorin' here?" Like, "Let's get on with it, let's get somebody honored here."

So anyway, he went up to my oldest daughter, I keep calling her my oldest daughter but she's actually my oldest child now, and he said, "So who are you to the loved one?" And Carly goes, "Casey was my brother." And George Bush says, "I wish I could bring your loved one back, to fill the hole in your heart." And Carly said, "Yeah, so do we." And Bush said, "I'm sure you do," and he gave her a dirty look and turned away from her.

Did he talk to you directly?

Yeah, he talked to me directly, do I have to say what it is or can you read it somewhere else? [laughs] He came up to me, and he said, "Mom, I can't imagine your pain, I can't imagine losing a loved one, whether it be an aunt or an uncle, or a cousin," and I just stopped him and I said, "It was my son, Casey was my son. I think you can imagine it, Mr. President, because you have children. Imagine if one of your daughters was killed in this war. Trust me, you don't want to go there." And he told me, "You're right, I don't."


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Lakshmi Chaudhry is the former senior editor of AlterNet.

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Send your kids George
Posted by: Just Some Dude on Aug 10, 2005 2:11 AM   
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"I would say to him, if the cause is so noble, has he encouraged his daughters to serve?"

I would like to hear Bush answer this question and his daughters answer this question. Matter of fact, I'd like alll the congressmen and women who voted to go to war in Iraq answer this question.

I find it absolutely unacceptable that the GOP is smearing her. It's their typical MO of course, but where is the honor in that.

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Black Sunday in Sadr City
Posted by: yebby61 on Aug 10, 2005 3:45 AM   
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The day Casey Sheehan died"April 4, 2004, was a bloody day for American forces in Sadr City, Iraq. Some of the troops call it 'Bloody Sunday', sadly, because it was Palm Sunday. What began as a routine patrol escourting [sewage trucks], known as honey wagons, ended up in surprise ambushes that left eight US Army soldiers killed in action that day."http://www.talkingproud.us/Eagle101904.html

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GO BABY!!!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 10, 2005 5:05 AM   
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I have a new hero(ine)....Sheehan. A fine Irish name. My only advise to her would be a line from a speech Eric Severeid made many years ago. He was quoting broadcasting pioneer Elmer Davis: "Don't let the bastards scare you". Go baby!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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lc
Posted by: lc on Aug 10, 2005 5:17 AM   
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Pass the word around. Anybody who can go to Crawford and join Cindy in her protest should go as soon as possible. There are still a couple weeks left to catch Bush at home. It's time to turn his neighbors against him, too.
Three Cheers for People Power.

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» RE: lc Posted by: JCS
lc
Posted by: lc on Aug 10, 2005 5:56 AM   
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Why are we fighting a war with the Reserves in the first place?

Our military budget is the equal of the combined military budgets of the next 17 most powerful military nations including China, Russia, India, Israel, England, Italy, Germany, Australia, Taiwan, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc. and America has to fight a war with our Reserves?

The Secretary of the Army should explain why he is fighting a war with the Reserves. Could it be because our Commander in Chief rushed to war for all the wrong reasons, got us into the biggest mess since Nam, failed in his duty to the Constitution and his Office, and abused his powers as Commander in Chief?

The Commander in Chief should be reduced in rank and appropriate confinement imposed, Sir!

Specialist 5th Class
Ron Linker
1968-1970

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» RE: lc - buck nekked Posted by: dancerkc
‘The SOLDIER and The NEOCON-MAN’
Posted by: qu on Aug 10, 2005 6:29 AM   
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I am a soldier.
I was your hero.
I protected You against terror,
from a never to be known enemy;
supposedly, trying to kill us.

I had to go to war,
while You stayed home.
I fought valiantly,
while You were afraid and relieved.
I got traumatized, injured, or killed;
while You got peace of mind (or did You)?

You made money for those who own You.
You played big brother to an ancient evil, and protected them.
You supported oppressive regimes in the Middle East.
You tried to switch people’s souls,
by saving them from nothing.
You covered up the mistakes of Your father.
You lied all along the way, cause You had to have it Your way.
You found nothing You looked for.
You distracted, deceived, and tried to save face.
You were once born again,
while others will continue to die for Your sins.

You accomplished nothing!
You resolved nothing!
Nothing worth while will ever come out of Your mistakes!
You will be exposed, before this is over.
The truth will be heard.
You are nothing, Neocon-Man. Nothing.

Your gain. My pain.
The Haves, versus the Have-Nots.
One gets. One gives.
What a price I had to pay,
for Your ego and greed.

Copyright 2005 by Qcontent. All rights reserved.

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» RE: ‘The SOLDIER and The NEOCON-MAN’ Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
Cindy Sheehan will be at this Tribunal in September
Posted by: redjb on Aug 10, 2005 6:52 AM   
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CITIZENS' TRIBUNAL ON IRAQ:

September 18 - 22
Binghamton, NY

A 5-night tribunal to articulate the legal, moral, and historical defense for civil resistance to this illegal war.


CONFIRMED:

Ray McGovern, Medea Benjamin, Camilo Mejia, Kathy Kelly, Jon Bonifaz, Cindy Sheehan, Jimmy Massey, Liz McAllister, U.S. Rep. Hinchey, and others.

NEEDED:

A Thousand Jurors of Conscience.

Find out More

www.stpatricksfour.org

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reports directly from Crawford
Posted by: garym on Aug 10, 2005 7:13 AM   
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My wife has been on the ground with Cindy much of the time since her arrival on Saturday. There are first person accounts, photos and video of the great things going on there at http://www.thebillboardproject.com/

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gramps
Posted by: gramps on Aug 10, 2005 7:27 AM   
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The reason that the neocons don't want a draft is that they
fear the same kind of rebellion that occurred against the Viet Nam war. The mercenary army that they have now is composed of volunteers from the poorer section of the population. If George's daughters were subject to the draft ther war would be called off.

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» RE: gramps Posted by: errandchild
No Honor
Posted by: jiverson on Aug 10, 2005 8:56 AM   
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President Bush cannot bestow honor upon anyone because he has none to bestow. Which makes his "performance" with Ms. Sheehan all the more disgusting. My sympathies go out to the Sheehan family for the loss of their son and for the slap in the face from the president.

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» RE: No Honor Posted by: janicemartens
» RE: No Honor Posted by: royrogers
My Three Sons
Posted by: Shannoncdbr on Aug 10, 2005 9:04 AM   
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I am so proud of tis wonderful mother. I have three sons and I see the writing on the wall. The draft is coming. These draft dodgers are sending our children to war, their kids need to sacrifice some time to this "noble cause". I hear the twins are unemployed ( sound familiar?). I am a career army officer wife, my husband has been in the army as a pilot for 25 years. We would never encourage our children to join the military now, that career path has been ruined for years to come at this point. I am a proud American who has many ties to soldiers in Iraq, I am very ashamed of our current political situation and world standing and scared, very scared for all of us. I do not think that this presidant and VP care AT ALL about other human beings. My heart is heavy.

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» RE: My Three Sons Posted by: RedRobin
Another Mothers Comment:Let Them Eat Cake!
Posted by: janicemartens on Aug 10, 2005 10:21 AM   
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"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths...it's not relevant...So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that...." Barbara Bush

I'm struck by the contrast (with Mrs. Sheehan)..and the lack of outrage regarding the attitude this reported comment by a former First Lady reflects. If it had been Hillary they would've barbecued her!!!

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pzzp
Posted by: pzzp on Aug 10, 2005 12:39 PM   
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Ask your Congressman, your Senator, or the closest politician you can find, how many of his/her children are serving in the war.

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things are really rolling
Posted by: Ingarose on Aug 10, 2005 1:51 PM   
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Cindy has accomplished what many anti war organizations have not been able to. She has started the ball rolling. Good for her. But nevertheless, be aware, the right wing media is in full swing and they have already started to attack Cindy and all of us who are anti war. We have now become the extremists, but it is hard to stop a rolling stone.

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Liberals use grieving people
Posted by: ILoveyou on Aug 10, 2005 1:57 PM   
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Yes she is standing outside of Bushs ranch, and surrounding her as she waits are a bunch of ridiculous left wingers toting signs and shouting slogans! You people just couldnt wait to get this article to further your political agenda could you?
I think that liberals and third generation welfare recipients should be drafted. Think of it as pay for attempting to destor this country. Round up all the protesters with signs and draft them. You people accuse Bush of being a terrorists anyway, he may as well give you something to really snivel about.
The majority of Americans who voted him in are sick of liberals whining and crying. I say its time to be proactive and do something about it. DRAFT LIBERALS NOW!!!!

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» But Bush is a liberal himself. Posted by: ben tillman
Liberals are milking this lady like a cow puppet
Posted by: iamsenstiveyellow on Aug 10, 2005 3:09 PM   
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Liberals love this lady and she apparently loves the attention. She met with the President once at the White House. What's her point now. She needs some counseling. SHe's like a stalker and yes, she could be perceived as a National Security Threat.

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» A strange change of heart Posted by: Vandelez
we want the attention...
Posted by: redjb on Aug 10, 2005 4:08 PM   
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you bet she/we want the attention...thats how movements work

we want the American people to face the facts of this WAR

it was based on LIES

and is all for OIL and POWER

if you are so for this war...to quote my favorite talk show host..
WHT AREN'T YOU DEAD YET!

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Like Mother Like Son
Posted by: janicemartens on Aug 10, 2005 4:47 PM   
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"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths," Barbara Bush said on ABC's "Good Morning America" on March 18, 2003. "Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

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Don't Forget Sat. September 24
Posted by: raian_sumisu on Aug 10, 2005 5:27 PM   
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Those who see the immorality of this war and are offended by the deceptions our government used to justify it have a chance to stand up and add our voices to Cindy Sheehan's.

Saturday, September 24

In Washington D.C., NYC and around the country Sep. 24 is a day to call for the end of the War in Iraq. Don't let brave people like Sheehan do all the work!

for more info and to find a group near you go to:

www.unitedforpeace.org

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barbara
Posted by: Barbara on Aug 11, 2005 4:31 AM   
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Well,..I can see that there are many people who support the war in Iraq.
To stop the arguments and squabbling in the USA about this war, why don't all of those people who are for this war just sign up & go over there. That should get rid of about 30% of the population, and the rest of you can live in peace & design enviromentally clean vehicles. Send Bush and his Mafia over there first, along with his followers. The oil Corporations can fund the whole thing seeing as it's their game.

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» RE: barbara Posted by: RedRobin
MRBUSH
Posted by: sherman on Aug 11, 2005 11:22 AM   
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mrbush
speak your lies
into
a mother's eyes
its her son
Casey whose life
is undone

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Remember the Mullens
Posted by: gtk on Aug 11, 2005 2:04 PM   
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Cindy Sheehan reminds me of another brave mother during the Vietnam War whom I knew, Peg Mullen of Laporte City Iowa. Her son Michael was lost to "friendly fire." and she was an outspoken critic of the war at a time and place where it was not popular to take a stand. You can read about her in C.D. B. Bryan's FRIENDLY FIRE, but be sceptical of his account of what happened when Michael died.

I truly believe that Cindy's account of Bush's behavior justifies those who suggest he's a true sociopath incapable of imagining the suffering of others. Kurt Vonnegut has spoken eloquently about this, as has E. L. Doctorow. Sister Prejean wrote cogently and vividly about Bush's entanglement with death penalty issues and no one can read her piece some months ago in the N. Y Review of Books without sensing that the man we elected, as well as many of his underlings, are psychologically disabled and deserve to be tried for war crimes. Short of that, impeachment is definitely in order.

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» RE: emember the Mullens Posted by: inthewoods
troublemaker/withorn
Posted by: withorn on Aug 12, 2005 10:12 AM   
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Are any old Viet Nam Vet Against the War chapters regrouped to organize against this one by reaching out to returning or currently enlisted military folks, not to mention the families of casualties?
Although I am no great fan of Kerry, if he would do something public to revive the group, as well as to discuss how they organized and made contact with people then it would be useful. A lot of the members then had better politics than Kerry and I hope still do.
What I remember is that they mainly reached out by word of mouth and at rallies. Now with the web we could reach all the families in Ohio, for example, if just a few families or soldiers joined a Veterans of all American Wars group.
I hope this is being done already and that I am just way behind the times, but I couldn't tell from a somewhat casual search.
If anyone knows who is doing this work could let me know, I would appreciate it. I teach at U Mass Boston where we have many military relatives and vets from all our invasions. It is always good to give them present information and not regale them with stories of the Sixties.

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» RE: troublemaker/withorn Posted by: tface1000
» RE: troublemaker/withorn Posted by: RedRobin
"bring the troops home" -- your friends have made enough $.
Posted by: worldbfre on Aug 12, 2005 10:56 AM   
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Cindy Sheehan has a right to ask what her loss has been for as no one can give her an answer that does not include GOP political gain, PNAC, and destruction, not advancement of US interests. None of these can console.

The no-fly zones were set-up in 1991 to protect the Shia and Kurds from being massacred by Hussein’s Sunni Baathists. What sane person thought these people would forget their hatred of each other?

Here is a brief summary as contained in the “The History Guy’s article “The No-Fly Zone War (1991-2003)” which states “The roots of this conflict are quite simple to trace: the inconclusive and vague cease-fire agreement ending the Gulf War of 1990-1991. This agreement called on the Iraqi government to allow United Nations weapons inspectors to search for prohibited weapons in Iraq, and, perhaps more importantly, allowed the Coalition Allies (originally the U.S., the U.K. and France, to enforce what came to be called "No-Fly Zones" over northern and southern Iraq. The original intent of these zones was to protect the rebellious Iraqi minorities (Kurds and Shi’ite Muslims) in northern and southern Iraq, respectively. The Coalition was permitted to fly warplanes over these zones to prevent Saddam Hussein's government from using military aircraft to attack these minorities.”

Essentially--since prior to W’s illegal attack of Iraq there were “no-fly zones” in the south and north of Iraq, and currently the Shia in the south and the Kurds in the North both want federalism, only the form of defense against the Sunni has changed. After the US leaves, the Kurdish Peshmerga will protect their northern area. In the South, Larry Diamond, a senior adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) said “all the Shi’ite militias, including al-Dawa and the Badr Brigades of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) -- both of which are represented on the IGC -- as well as the Mahdi Army”, will do the same. “We are on the edge of a generalized civil war in Iraq”. Diamond was thus quoted in an UK Independent article “Iraqi rage grows after Fallujah massacre” of May 4th 2003. His statements should have been acted on, but W was too interested then in accusing the media of reporting too negatively about the Iraq quagmire and acting as a confident “wartime president” for the upcoming election, to do so though.

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What is President Bush Afraid of?
Posted by: bloomoon on Aug 13, 2005 6:35 AM   
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Does having a conversation with Cindy Sheehan frighten President Bush? Does he consider it negotiating with the enemy as he would in a hostage situation? What Cindy Sheehan wants is so simple and so profound - a moment of another person's time, a chance to personalize what the war means to real people. But just as he won't listen to the polls that say the majority of Americans are now against the war, he won't listen to her. What he's afraid of is that others would want to talk to him too. And what would be wrong with that?

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Live from Crawford
Posted by: garym on Aug 14, 2005 9:13 PM   
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I was in Crawford today (Sunday) with Cindy Sheehan. This is the fifth day I've spent with her. For new photographs and article see http://www.thebillboardproject.com/

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I've said it for years: let the LEADERS go fight!
Posted by: jamieat50 on Aug 18, 2005 6:46 AM   
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You're definitely on the right track -- if the politicians all had to go fight these wars themselves, or send their own children, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to join into every conflict on the planet --!!! I worried about my own son in Desert Storm, and now all these years later I have to pray for my stepson, who just joined the Army. Will it ever end?

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Sorry about Ms. Sheehan's tragedy, but her son "decided" to be in the Army
Posted by: nenita on Aug 18, 2005 7:28 AM   
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Yes! It is very sad to see young people who die on the war, and I am completly contrary the ANY war. When I listen to people talking about an "Unfair War" I ask myself "What War is Fair? "NONE"

So, if we think on that, why are we so happy when our family take the decision to enter in the ARMY.?

I know it is very attractive when we think on the benefits our youth get on the Army. And also, we feel so proud when we see that picture of them, wearing the uniform, placed in a very special place of home. We feel great when can say "LOOK, THAT'S MY SON". We just feel wonderful when everything is going well....

BUT, what happen when the reality of a War knock our door, and our sons have to leave? And we know they have go TO KILL OR TO BE KILLED!!!!
Well, then we start looking to hold somebody responsible.

I was a mother, I lost my only son, not in a war, but anyway I can know what Mr. Sheehan is feeling. I just want to remember her that HER SON
was NOT forced to get in the ARMY, and they should remember too that this country is always involved in wars, no matter why.

So, please, don't use this lady's tragedy to make your own "war against the president". Use your right to vote.

And finally would like to clear that I am Independent and did not vote for president this last election.

Thanks and God Bless You All.

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