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Andy vs. George

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted August 3, 2005.


AlterNet's executive editor counts the ways in which Andy Stern -- the man responsible for disemboweling the AFL-CIO -- and George W. Bush are like two peas in a pod.
Andy vs. George
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Okay, so you're wondering how this can be true -- the progressive labor leader and the right-wing president. How can they have anything in common? But just stick with me for a moment.

They both go where none have gone before

Andy Stern is the main man behind the disemboweling of the AFL-CIO. He and his team -- including Jimmy Hoffa Jr. of the Teamsters, and Joe Hanson at the UFCW -- have pulled up stakes. This means 4 million members and $25 million are gone from the AFL-CIO, and likely more will follow. Despite conventional wisdom, the advice of many, and huge hand-wringing for "unity," Stern went ahead anyway. The AFL-CIO staff are probably still scratching their heads, wondering what happened.

George Bush and his team -- including Dick Cheney and Colin Powell -- plunged into Iraq, also going against much conventional wisdom and the advice of many around the world, leaving a peace movement of tens of millions scratching our heads, realizing we never had a chance.

They're both headstrong, maybe reckless

Andy Stern was criticized for not engaging in a real debate with his brothers and sisters in labor about his pullout. Well, if you've already decided what you are going to do, there really isn't much reason to have a debate, right?

George Bush was criticized for going into Iraq without waiting. He was tired of debating, and in the end, he actually didn't care what happened at the UN. He decided he was going in, no matter what -- whether WMDs were found or not. What's the use of waiting, if you've already decided what you are going to do?

They both seized the narrative

By acting so boldly, Andy Stern has grabbed the narrative. He is the labor story. He has the momentum, and he has stayed on message: The AFL-CIO is part of the problem, not the solution; we're changing labor for the better; we'll invest big bucks in organizing. In this narrative, the AFL-CIO are the losers, now left far weaker and holding the bag. Their only narrative is the other guys are bullies, and we are victims.

For six years, George Bush has been the American political narrative. He got his tax cuts, invaded Iraq, and has stayed on message from the beginning: cut taxes, make government smaller, build the military and fight terrorism. By acting so boldly, enough Americans voted for George Bush to elect him twice, claiming they know where he stands. The Democrats have been the losers at every turn -- with the presidency, the House, the Senate, and now the Supreme Court. No counter-narrative has taken hold.

They both fight dirty

Andy Stern fights dirty. AFL-CIO chief John Sweeney says that Stern was moving in a very negative way, raiding AFSME members in California. Some think Stern seemed to be saying: "Screw you, AFSME and AFL-CIO!"

George Bush? Well, let's just count the ways he plays dirty. How do you spell O-H-I-O? How about F-L-O-R-I-D-A? Arm twisting in Congress, Tom Delay ... the list is endless. The message: Screw you Democrats, liberals, progressives and anyone else who doesn't see it my way.

They both have father issues, more or less

Incidentally, though the media keeps referring to the old father/son, mentor relationship between Stern and Sweeney, after Sweeney became head of the AFL-CIO, Seeney stayed "neutral" while Stern fought a nasty battle with the corrupt SEIU "old guard" to succeed him as SEIU president. Stern won without his support -- so much for father/son stuff.

And George W. Bush showed up his real dad too, who decided it wasn't wise to invade Iraq.

It's hard to debate the fact that George Bush has changed history and shocked us all. With his response to 9/11, court appointments, the PATRIOT Act, the huge deficit from tax cuts and much more, he has altered our lives far into the future.

Like Bush's huge impact, Andy Stern is changing the union movement irrevocably -- it will never be the same. We can't know for sure, but don't be surprised if Stern and the Change to Win Coalition become one giant union with 5 million members, employing Stern's model of dividing the country according to industry, to give them more clout. This could make a big difference.

Well, is it a good thing?

And as for whether Stern resembling Bush is a good thing? We don't know how it will end up in the long run. But labor can't get much weaker without becoming totally irrelevant; it has lost twice to George Bush, spending upwards of $100 million to come out with the short end of the stick last November, with its crack team in the field. By the way, Stern as much as said, maybe the Dems should lose. But he did invest $60 million in the contest. Maybe he realizes he wasted his money.

Labor -- except for SEIU, which has grown to approximately 1.8 million -- has been losing all over America, as our low-wage, non-union, not-much-healthcare, Wal-Mart-ized society gains ground. For example, the governors of Indiana and Missouri simply eliminated the unions representing state government employees. And who is leading the fight against Wal-Mart? SEIU and the United Food and Commercial Workers.

Clearly, Stern and his partners, Hoffa and Hansen -- with others waiting in the wings -- concluded that there was no way for the AFL-CIO to change in the dramatic ways necessary to save the labor movement. For him, it was not possible for the existing AFL-CIO, balkanized with a consensus model, to invest in organizing and crack the heads necessary to toughen up.

And by being allied only with Democrats, there was no competition for their dollars or attention. Maybe Stern is right. And maybe he isn't playing fair or nice, and some good, well-meaning people are going to get steamrolled. It is not a pretty picture, but it might be a necessary picture.

Now that Stern and his teammates have declared independence, might they consider other AFL-CIO unions' workers fair game for poaching? After all, he has suggested that globalization must be reckoned with. Maybe competition for union members in the marketplace could create some positive change, putting workers more in the driver's seat, for a change.

Yes, George W. and Andy Stern, almost two peas from the same pod. One is a servant to global capital and the rich and powerful, and the other is poised to be the new working-class hero. Stay tuned.

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Labor politics is a rough business...
Posted by: james4765 on Aug 3, 2005 2:39 AM   
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The history of the labor movement has shown that the greatest strides in worker rights came after fights. Not after touchy-feely "interest-based negotiation sessions". Playing hardball and being willing to shut your employer down.

I'd love to see a labor movement that's doing something other than sucking up to corporatist Democrats and playing the Beltway game. Have them realize that local and state politics are where the action is - and is a field where concentrated efforts can yield real results.

The rights and privileges of the American worker are being eaten away day by day, and our unions hold F**king GOLF TOURNAMENTS!!! "Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." (Animal Farm, George Orwell)

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SEIU Rocks
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 3, 2005 4:12 AM   
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If Andy Stern is like Bush, John Sweeney is like Cheney, content to run things from the shadows and support his old cronies. If it hadn't been for SEIU and George Soros' money, the Dems would have lost a lot worse last fall. If Kerry's organization (or the party) had been as determined and focused as they were, GWB would be playing golf in Saudi Arabia. I'm glad to see SEIU use some of that energy to take care of workers, cause I don't see much concern coming from Washington, and I don't think it will until the grassroots demands it.

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You forget one thing
Posted by: Longhorn on Aug 3, 2005 6:21 AM   
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Bush has also amassed an amazing amount of power, pushed through an agenda that nobody would have believed five years ago, and is the front man for taking over an entire government.

Now, if you believe in democracy and you're against wholesale redistribution of wealth from the poor and the middle-class to the rich, if you're against unnecessarily sending troops off to invade foreign countries, if you're against energy bills which are massive giveaways to long-time cronies in big business, then this is very horrifying. In terms of strategy, however, it's pretty good if it's YOUR agenda that's being pushed (for instance, if you enjoy inherited wealth and don't want to have to work for a living, don't want the poor to have a safety net, or if you're a Christian Taliban and don't want actual science taught in schools, etc.).

In Bush's case, this represents a large-scale effort that looks more like classical fascism than classical democracy. This article is fundamentally juvenile for the basic reason that Stern's goals are about as opposite from Bush's as one can imagine.

I'm a long-time union member -- someone who believes that a country works best when its workers aren't treated like disposable machinery while executives take home massive rewards for eliminating jobs. I'm also about ready to have parallels drawn between the RESULTS of a winner -- even if it takes "playing dirty," as you call it -- to get them.

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» RE: You forget one thing Posted by: bornxeyed
Clever Comparison -- Cheap and Easy -- but Clever
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Aug 3, 2005 7:10 AM   
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I guess when your the Executive Editor, no one edits YOU.

So ... if fall in love with your most recent bit of rhetorical cleverness -- "Bush and Stern are as alike as two peas in a pod" -- who is going to keep you from figuratively peeing in your allegorical boot.

Is anyone going to stick their neck out to say "Gee, Mr Hazen, don't you want to think this through a bit: on the one hand you're saying that the AFL was screwing the pooch big time ... but on the other hand you're telling an audience of Bush-haters that Andy Stern is just like Bush. So, Bush bad - Stern bad? Bush VERY Bad -- Stern sort-of-bad? Bush bad, Stern bad -- but Hazen very clever? What are you going for, Boss? "

Or did you already fire that troublemaker ?

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» Very cheap Posted by: roger1
That's what we need, an end to all this "Voting" nonsense.
Posted by: jbeeso on Aug 3, 2005 7:59 AM   
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Darn voters. First they voted to re-elect G.W., and then the Teamsters and SEIU members voted to quit the AFL-CIO. Yes, now I see your comparison quite clearly--like crystal!

You're right, instead of having folks vote (what do folks really know, anyway?) what we really need is a few members of an enlightened gentry gently chaperoning the rest of the country, because of course, they know whats best. Just ask them--they'll tell you in shrieking tones and blood red "I HATE ME SOME BUSH" signs exactly how enlightened they are.

Just because two unions found that they were not being adaquately represented by the consolidated, one-size-fits all doctrine of the AFL-CIO and VOTED to leave, that doesn't mean that they are despicable villians, it just means that they have different set of goals, or that they believe that they have a better way of accomplishing those goals. The American way, remember?

If you or anyone out there have specific information regarding voter fraud in Florida or Ohio, or even "F-L-O-R-I-D-A" and "O-H-I-O", I urge you to contact the Federal Elections Commission at 800-424-9530. Alternet.org, a web commentary and forum site, lacks the authority and resources to initiate investigations into and prosecute federal crimes.

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» If you want evidence.... Posted by: Diecash1
dividing like a muscle cell
Posted by: georip on Aug 3, 2005 8:40 AM   
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I can't help but be disapointed when the exec. editor of Alternet can't see the need for an energized alternative to the tired, albeit respected, leaders who have in the past several decades seen nothing but steady decline in their influence. If the AFL-CIO is "disemboweled" then it will die. If instead it has divided as a muscle cell does when it grows, then Labor will be all that much stronger, able to attack corporatists from more than one direction. Please Mr. Hazen, you owe it to your hopeful readers to be a bit more circumspect in your judgements and to edit out irrational vitriol. The SEIU has an energetic commitment and has proven success in their organizing vision.

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Read Carefully, My Friends
Posted by: Don Hazen on Aug 3, 2005 9:17 AM   
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Dear me, i fear that i'm being misinterpreted.
I'm just having a little fun with some irony and satire.

I'm saying that Andy Stern and his cohorts just
might be saving the labor movement...and to do that
might require some hardass activities, that are going
to hurt, and will be interpreted as ugly.
As much as we might despise him, there is no
denying Bush's success for his people and ideology.

What happened here is that Sweeney, while knowing that Stern,and the Change to Win coalition, was holding a lot of the cards, let him leave the family.When you loose a quarter of your members, and huge chunk of your
budget, that seems like a disembowlment. But if that is too
strong and colorful of a word, lets just call it a big hurt.

For those who think the AFL-CIO as currently
constructed is doomed, the Stern, Hoffa, Hansen
move may create the energy all around that forces the
somewhat moribund labor movement into a higher gear.
Then again, it might not, but clearly the momentum is in the hands
of Andy Stern and Co. just as it has been with George
Bush during his entire presidency.

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» RE: ead Carefully, My Friends Posted by: Longhorn
AFL-CIO and Democratic Party Parallel
Posted by: Eos on Aug 3, 2005 10:45 AM   
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Funny. I don't see the parallel between Stern and Bush. I do see a parallel between the Democratic Party under DLC leadership and the AFL-CIO. The Democratic Party and the AFL-CIO have both become stagnant. For years, riding old successes, they've been plugging along unimaginatively, steadily losing clout. Declining success of Democrats at the ballot box and union representation in the work force tell the story.

The leadership of the Democratic Party and the AFL-CIO got too comfortable. They settled into a status quo snooze and forgot their core missions, while steadily slipping into irrelevance.

What happened in the AFL-CIO has been coming for quite some time. Stern has been neither silent nor secretive. I suspect the Democratic Party faces the possibility of a similar split. It's what happens when stagnating organizations remain unresponsive to changed conditions.

When you're failing, business-as-usual doesn't cut it.

I thank Andy Stern and others in the labor movement who dare imagine a successful future.

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frydog
Posted by: frydog on Aug 3, 2005 11:31 AM   
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The George W.-Andy Stern comparison simply doesn't work for me. It's essentially smart-ass and not even funny. Really, how can anyone not celebrate the fact that the slowly dying AFL-CIO has been shaken up. Don't let's forget history. In 1935 dear old John L. Lewis gave Bill Green a good smack in the mouth before he pulled out his UMWA to then orchestrate the biggest gains in union membership in (just) living memory. Stern is a visionary leader and george Bush most decidedly is not.
Weeks after John Sweeney was originally chosen (let's not abuse the word "elected") as AFL-CIO prexy I wrote to him with an offer to work on a campaign to try to organise MacDonald's urging him to make his presidential mark as the labour movement leader who really tried to tackle the tragedy of the working poor in america. I didn't receive the courtesy of an acknowledgement. As far as I'm concerned the absolute mess that sweeney is now in is largely of his own making. Looks good on him. Way to go! Andy

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Eric W. Crosley
Posted by: jivajones on Aug 3, 2005 12:41 PM   
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My initial response to seeing Don Hazen's article comparing
GWB and AndyS was, "what?" with a little private "f... you"
flung toward DH. When I first saw Andy Stern in person, I
thought I was looking at Bill Marr. I was fanning myself, like
many others, as we sat in a huge and sweltering church at
the annual RainbowPushCoalition Political Summit at JJ's digs
in Chicago in June(JJ's = Jessie Jackson's, if you are in need
of an explanation). I hadn't seen on a program who I was
mistaking to be Bill Marr. Anyways, when Mr. Stern's time
came to speak, I was pleasantly surprised and impressed. So,
after followng the press version of the of the AFL-CIO and Andy
and his friends' saga, I had the gut level response I did, when
I was treated with Don's article. After reading the dozen or so
responses to Hazen's offering and Hazen's plea that he is being misunderstood, I think....maybe? I feel the consideration of the
following and their historical and present interrelationships is the
proper context within which to understand, possibly, where Hazen
was coming from with his, obviously, controversial and rele-
vant article: Donkeys, GOP, DLC, Howdy Doody Dean (mostly respect intended), Johnny One America (mostly respect intended), Hillary the Hots (mostly respect intended,
although cautiously), the heavy, harsh, hollow, hellish BOOTS
of the o so prevelant MONEY of our dear we do it all for you
multi trans national international global inside our heads cor-
porate FRIENDS, visions of economic, social, poetic, spiritual
JUSTICE dancing in our heads, etc. and et al to eternity and to
the latest human heart bombed in Iraq and Pretoria. If we consi-
der all of the above carefully, I believe we will be better able
to understand the recent history of the minimum wage in
America (and even the saga of the sweet rewards to be had by
the ever resourceful class of workers known, generally, as
CEOs), also. Crosley for Congress 2006 for Michigan's Eighth Seat
in the US House. Oh yeah :>) (Imagine the strength of a few hun-
dred thousand souls speaking in unison from a chair in the
assembly that that there ole sun in the sky that shines on us
all has MANY names :>))......................

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Rod from Canada
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Aug 3, 2005 3:38 PM   
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How many more times is this nonsense about George W. Bush being legitimately re-elected (this is certainly the case with the last election, and probably with the 2000 one as well) going to be repeated? As one who is intimately associated with alternative media, surely you are aware of the avalanche of evidence pointing towards massive Republican fraud in that election? This fiction that a majority of Americans voted for this sorry excuse of a leader is something one might still expect to read or hear about from the corporate mainstream media.

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You forgot ONE big commonality!
Posted by: fjames on Aug 3, 2005 5:06 PM   
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Such an esteemed editor(used loosely) as yourself should have picked up on... Stern like Bush is driving the doomed donkey into obscurity.
The ignorant voting blocks the dems rely on are starting to realize...what do they actually accomplish when I vote them in? There's a crack in the dam and no one has an idea how to fix it.

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Shock-schlock is not satire
Posted by: JesseBC on Aug 3, 2005 5:35 PM   
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I wouldn't mind so much that I just disagree with this, if it wasn't such obvious shock-jock horseshit. It's one thing to pen something bold and controversial, but this is the journalistic equivalent of chewing up your food and then sticking it out on your tongue just to make everyone say, "eeww, gross!" It's childish, but let's play along for a moment:

You compare Stern's split from the AFL (something many rank-and-file union members feel is long overdue) to the Iraq War (something that killed and maimed many rank-and-file soldiers)....hmmm....

You compare Stern's populist disgust with AFL politicking to Bush's theft of the 2000 election -- were you skipping school when the teacher explained analogies?

Your only nod to the fact that their motives are widely disparate comes at the end when you note: "One is a servant to global capital and the rich and powerful, and the other is poised to be the new working-class hero." And you don't see the DIFFERENCE here!?

The only possible excuse for running this on Alternet (let alone as a headliner) is that it was penned by (God help us all) the executive editor! Perhaps this was intended as satire. Or perhaps it was intended to be the sort of think-outside-the lefty-box journalism which has kept me coming back to Alternet on a daily basis. But neither satire nor thinking outside the box are accomplished by an unimaginative and purposely inflammatory piece of writing. Give your readers more credit for taste and brains! Getting attention is not the equivalent of making people think.

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SEIU and Democracy
Posted by: sunshine6 on Aug 3, 2005 6:17 PM   
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I am deeply upset with the split within the AFL-CIO. I am struggling to figure out the logic in this power struggle! Andy Stern has followed, in my opinion, the correct path to increasing Union membership via aggressive organizing. Yet the split vote was conducted by the leadership within the SEIU and not by the rank and file? Where is the Democracy in that? John Sweeney has utterly failed in his attempt to bring Unionism to the political arena and yet he still maintains that it is the proper road to follow? The rank and file need to know where you are going, why and how we will get there. Perhaps one of you will let the rank and file help you in your vision of the future of Unionism.

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Editor, NevadaLabor.com
Posted by: Barbwire.info on Aug 3, 2005 6:43 PM   
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Dear Alternetwork Types:

Both Editor Hazen and the various commentators have missed the central point, largely because the news media and the AFL-CIO have apparently chosen to ignore it: Organizing is not really the AFL-CIO's job. It's the direct responsibility of union locals with support from their parent regionals and internationals, other unions, central labor councils, community groups, state federations and the AFL-CIO.

To his credit, Mr. Sweeney spent $6.3 million on a well-designed organizing and training project in Las Vegas in the late 1990's. Taken nationwide, this pilot program had tremendous potential to reverse labor's declining numbers. Today's dissident alpha males would have had to come up with another cause for divorce had the initiative not been torpedoed from within.

It failed because The Claimjumpers Union killed it. That same outfit left the AFL-CIO in 2001. Its Bush-buddy leader has expressed sympathy for the newer dropouts and press reports hint that he may join the dissident coalition. Heaven help the defectors if they let that voracious camel's nose under their new tent.

I published this heretofore untold story in the July 31, 2005, Daily Sparks (Nev.) Tribune. Please see "Divorced Bedmates" at

http://www.barbwire.info

Thanks to everyone concerned enough to participate in the debate. At least Brothers Hoffa and Stern have a lot of people talking about us for a change.

The above opinions are strictly my own and not of my union local.

Be well. Raise hell.

Andrew Barbano, Editor
NevadaLabor.com
Union member

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Editor, NevadaLabor.com
Posted by: Barbwire.info on Aug 3, 2005 6:49 PM   
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I invite any responses to barbano@frontpage.reno.nv.us

Please indicate if I may publish them.

Thanks again,

Andrew Barbano
NevadaLabor.com

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"Like GeorgeBush"
Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com on Aug 4, 2005 7:58 AM   
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The most outstanding single characteristic of Bush and his handlers:

They're never, ever wrong, mistaken or out of line.

They may be misunderstood, misquoted, mislead, misspoken, misinterpreted ... but most usually they're just Right.

So, they simply talk past and over even their friendly critics.

John Sweeney has been doing that a lot recently ... and Don Hazen has dealt with criticism of "Stern=Bush" pretty much by restating how apt and appropriate that feeble trope was ...

But I havn't caught Andy Stern answering critics by ignoring what they say ...

That, at worst, makes him the best of a bad lot.

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Another similarity
Posted by: Lendervedder on Aug 5, 2005 9:14 AM   
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Hazen missed another similarity between Stern and Bush: They both mask institution-building and control with their message of "Doing what's best for the masses."

Bush claims "Spread Democracy!" But is really just trying to nation-build for the sake of U.S. power (and oil). Obviously his "Democracy" message is a fraud because his Labor policy at home continues to squash democracy in the workplace-- unions.

Stern claims "We need to organize the 90% of unorganized workers in America!" But the actions of his organizing department show that he's just trying to build his own institution at any cost. Why is his union continuing to organize already-organized workers in California and Iowa? And why is his union spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to organize workers away from another union in Michigan and Ohio, amongst other places?

Both men are power-hungry jerks. Bush is nation-building at the cost of thousands of American and Iraqi lives. Stern is SEIU-building at the cost of millions of members' dues dollars.

Both men have noble ideas, but neither men, through their actions, are really looking out for the "little guy."

If Stern wants to be the all-poweful head of a giant institution, he should move into the corporate world. So should Bush.

And FYI, Mr. Hazen: It's AFSCME. Don't forget the county workers!

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samg
Posted by: zipflock on Aug 7, 2005 8:39 PM   
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i don't know whether hazen is serious or kidding in comparing stern and bush. either way, the comparison is just silly.

when something has been failing for years, people to whom it is important naturally want to do something about it. the afl-cio has been failing for years. john sweeney came in and took the presidency away from lane kirkland, a longtime failure, and promised to revitalize the labor movement. he said he was going to serve only a single five year term. but now he's served 10 years and he wants to continue in office despite the continuing decline of organized labor during his presidency. if he'd agreed not to run again, as he should have, this big split would never have happened.

it's about time something radical was done to try to energize labor. stern and hoffa and a few others who pulled out of the afl-cio are trying to do it. more power to them. the old ways don't work. neither does the old labor federation. the new group may fail too. labor has sunk so low in this country, for many reasons not its own fault as well as some that are its own fault, that i don't think it can sink much lower. so i don't see much of a downside risk.

good luck to the new guard. i hope they'll make some changes for the better and then turn around and lead in the reuniting of the labor movement. we need solidarity, but only after a change in direction. l

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