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Oklahoma Superstar

By Rose Aguilar, AlterNet. Posted August 2, 2005.


Clara Luper was an integral part of the 1950s' civil rights movement. Here, she discusses her sit-in days, going to jail 26 times, and what the Democrats are doing wrong.
Clara Luper

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In 1957, high school history teacher Clara Luper was given the opportunity to escape segregated Oklahoma by spending a few days in New York presenting "Brother President," a play she wrote about Martin Luther King. Luper and the group of students she brought with her were able to go about their day like everyone else and order sodas from non-segregated lunch counters. As their bus journeyed back through the Jim Crow South, Luper vowed to take on segregation and explained how she was going to do it in her book, Behold the Walls:

I thought about my father who had died in 1957 in the Veterans' Hospital and who had never been able to sit down and eat a meal in a decent restaurant. I remembered how he used to tell us that someday he would take us to dinner and to parks and zoos. And when I asked him when was someday, he would always say, "Someday will be real soon," as tears ran down his cheeks. So my answer was, "Yes, tonight is the night. History compels us to go, and let History alone be our final judge.”

Shortly thereafter, Luper and 12 members of the NAACP Youth Council, ages six to 17, walked into the Katz Drug Store in downtown Oklahoma City and ordered 13 Coca-Colas. A typical response from Luper's fellow white customers was, "The nerve of the niggers trying to eat in our places. Who does Clara Luper think she is? She is nothing but a damned fool, the black thing." Thanks to patience and persistence, Katz, a major drug store, eventually desegregated the lunch counters in all of its 38 stores in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas and Iowa.

That action led to similar sit-ins in Oklahoma City and across the South. Luper eventually became known as the "Mother of the Civil Rights Movement." Luper is well-known in Oklahoma, but isn't a household name nationwide. Today 82-year-old Luper speaks about her work to groups across the country and is involved with the NAACP, Miss Black Oklahoma and her church. I recently spoke with Clara at her home in Oklahoma City.

AlterNet: Tell me about the work you've been involved with in the past, specifically the sit-ins.

Clara Luper: Well, first off, I'm black. I've known segregation as one of the worst experiences of a person's life. I was born in a segregated area. I went to a segregated school where we'd be reading sometimes on page four and the next page would be ten. I have had the experience of going to the back of the bus, not being able to go to libraries, public accommodations and what have you. I've always hated segregation with a passion. That's why I've been associated with the NAACP.

Did you immediately recognize that segregation was wrong?

I was always taught that segregation was wrong. I came from a family that understood the scars of segregation and they knew it was wrong, but doing something about it was a different story because Oklahoma was primarily at its infancy a Democratic State. In writing the Constitution, the first laws that were passed were segregation laws, so my parents had lived with it. My dad was a veteran of World War I and he believed what Woodrow Wilson said: they were fighting to make the world safe for democracy. My mother was from Texas and she saw a black person burned in Paris, Texas and she was afraid that would happen to anyone who spoke out against segregation. When I would say, why do we have to go to the back of the bus? My mother would say, shut up; my dad would say, someday you'll be able to ride anywhere on the bus. He had a lot of faith in what would happen and what would change in Oklahoma.

When it comes to segregation and racism, most people think of Mississippi and Alabama. What would you say to people who don't know that much about the history of Oklahoma, especially as it pertains to racism and segregation?

Well, they haven't studied Oklahoma history because during the debate on the Civil Rights Bill in 1964, one Senator stated that Oklahoma had the worst segregation laws in the United States, which is true. Our laws were on the books and they stated very clearly that we should be separated. It was written by Bill Murray who hated Catholics, Jews and Blacks. And he wrote it so that all laws would be segregation laws. People just don't know because we are a young state and people have not paid attention to us like they have in other states. We've had lynchings in this state. We've had burnings. In fact, my building was bombed. We've had a lot of things. But one difference between Oklahoma and the other states is that we had a nonviolent movement here.


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Rose Aguilar is a San Francisco-based journalist gathering stories from people living in states that voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush. Track her journey at Stories in America.

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What a Woman!
Posted by: beetruetoyou on Aug 2, 2005 5:15 AM   
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Hooray for Clara Luper! She should run for political office. It's wonderful to hear from a woman who has brought good out of the crud of segregation. She speaks wise words that we can all learn from and is another heroine of the American landscape. I would love to meet her some day.

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She should read an Oklahoman's book review of "What's the Matter with Kansas?"
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 2, 2005 5:36 AM   
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if she really wants to further understand the voters in that state.

Why Brad Carson really went down in flames against a lunatic doctor turned Senator Tom Coburn

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Rose's Father
Posted by: jaw2001 on Aug 2, 2005 7:51 AM   
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Hooray for Rose. Truly a just fighter.

But something that touched me was when she said "my father ... used to tell us that someday he would take us to dinner and to parks and zoos. And when I asked him when was someday, he would always say, "Someday will be real soon," as tears ran down his cheeks"

Racism, segregation may have been what prevented Rose's father from taking out his children, but a father's inability to do these things today still exists.

Women today allow family bonds to be unraveled because the lessons of television dramas and a misguided psuedo-feminists movement that tells a woman to place herself before the family she helps create. Broken families are rampant and systemic in our society today. If that isnt heartbreaking enough, the blunt minded contempt many self-appointed single mothers have for the role of 'father' is frightening especially if you consider the negative impact it is having on our children today.

Rose was obviously a brave and visionary freedom fighter. But equally as important she sounds like a good mother and one who knows what a good father is. Rose would not have been this great woman, without a great father. That is one important lesson we all could take from this interview.

Anticipating the knee-jerk psuedo-feminist response,

A father of daughter (A real feminist).

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I Thank God
Posted by: nakis on Aug 2, 2005 8:54 AM   
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I thank God for people like Clara. People willing to live a courageous life day to day to make life better for others.

When I think of a true Christian, Clara is one of those types.

Thank you Clara.

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gay marriage and abortion
Posted by: izzie on Aug 2, 2005 9:02 AM   
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She's right on. They should not be political issues. Democrats could learn and thing or two from this amazing woman. Move the conversation from gay marriage and abortion to the economy, social security, healthcare, etc...

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God bless her
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Aug 2, 2005 10:57 AM   
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And she's so right; Republicans use wedge issues and then amplify Democrat support of these "controversial" issues, like gay marriage or medical marijuana or something. They blow up Democratic (or otherwise) opposition to the supposed "reasonable" thinking on these matters as though it's a point of religion that "reasonable" people will think in a conventional way on the issues and of course they go on all the Screaming Shows and make a big fuss about it, ignoring big quality of life issues like health-care, a living wage, unemployment, the outsourcing of jobs, etc. Repubs throw up the most facile distractions and people eat this stuff up...and Democrats, not being an opposition party, don't call the Repubs on this political sensationalism.

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Keep Eye On Ball
Posted by: atlien on Aug 2, 2005 12:14 PM   
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Blaming the 'wedge' issue tactic on Republicans is a serious misunderstanding of politics.

Both Democrats and Republicans employ this tactic to distract us all from economic issues with non-monetary, cultural issues. This tactic is consistently used not by one but both major political parties in the US. Their prime target in this isn't African-Americans but the working class, Eur-Amer, Af-Amer, Latin Amer, it doesn't matter. The target is and always has been people who aren't super rich.

People considered to be ethnic or sexual minorities are used as the 'wedge' but the issue remains an economic one, again, as it always has been.

I say this wishing that more interviews emphasized this aspect instead of making a lone demon of the Republican Party which channels too much dissent into the Democratic Party establishment which is a part of the assault on workers. Democrats and Republicans worked together to pass both NAFTA in the 90s and CAFTA a few days ago, assualts on workers domestic and global.

We must somehow keep making this point to circumvent this seemingly endless cycle of FAKE partisan politics which is only partisan on NON-MONETARY issues.

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The Good People
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 2, 2005 12:23 PM   
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When the first Europeons arrived in Africa they dubbed what is modern day Mozambique, the "Land of the Good People."

The environment fostered cooperation, and the people from there are cooperators. We also use the term civilized for cooperator behavior.

Our society is a predator society, with the driving forces being cannibals, hence the people from the land of the good people find themselves visiting "Hell on earth," filling the brutal prison systems of this old crown colony.

The predator behavior is the one that produces shame in thinking people, especially because we do not need to prey on one another. It is the "Animal Primitivism" that is driving the predator behavior.

Though of the 2 types of behavior, it is the predator behavior that has caused the higher level powers to reveal themselves to us. The plan by the predators to nuke the human race has brought "ET" to the forefront.

Militarism is cannibal behavior, and a simple form of life and culture. Let us follow the lead of the people from the land of the good people, and set about a path of cooperation, civilization and Peace. Shut the nukes down and the prison camps, and end the blight of the primitive predator behavior.

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Thank you for telling a bit of Ms. Luper's story
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 2, 2005 9:09 PM   
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March of this year marked the 40th anniversary of the day people from Selma, Alabama, were beaten and driven back across the bridge out of town by Alabama state troopers.

I had read about the Freedom Rides and the beatings of the riders in Birmingham. I had heard of Martin Luther King before, in the news about the bus boycott in Montgomery. But I did not know his history going back to 1957. I did not take the opportunity to march with him until shortly after the Selma beatings in 1965. A lot of 'outside agitators' had come and gone in Alabama by then. Two with whom I felt close ties died there.

And I find it necessary to remind people today that Dr. King was not a popular person before his assassination in 1968. Yes, he had gotten the Nobel Prize for Peace. And with the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act, he had led Americans into a new era. But in his time, he was not widely liked and admired. Of course, I speak from my perspective as a member of the dominant white community.

His murder after JFK's and shortly before RFK's I thought were the most dismal American events not only in my lifetime but in American history. Assassins ruled.

But we are desperate now, more desperate than even then, for their kind of leadership. I thank God that we have Dr. King's and Malcolm X's examples for inspiration. I pray our need may be answered.

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"Our" issues
Posted by: libby on Aug 6, 2005 8:14 AM   
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Ms. Looper may believe that abortion and gay marriage are not "Black people's issues", but Black women are more likely than white or Latina women to get abortions and, believe it or not, the 10% rule (percentage of people who are gay or bisexual) applies to African-Americans as well. "Are heterosexual Blacks particularly interested in gay marriage?" seems like the question she thought she was answering.

And, if Black Americans are so disinterested in gay rights, why is opposition to it one of the major ways that candidates court the Black churchgoing community?

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Trivialization of Gay Rights Issues
Posted by: thirdmg on Aug 6, 2005 8:59 AM   
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>when we go to black churches, people say they're against gay marriage<

Suppose the interviewer had gone to a gay church and heard people say they're against inter-racial marriage or some other issue of rights related to race. The reaction would be moral outrage, and gay rights activists and most gays would join in the reaction.

Yet, when it comes to support for gay rights, the reaction of moral outrage is too often entirely the opposite. And, it's tell-tale about what's wrong with the left. Gay rights are attacked as "divisive issues" which pull attention from "important issues," such as the economy, social security, healthcare, etc. But, what these critics really mean is that gay rights are unimportant to them or silly, and they don't want to hear about them - so, sell out the gays.

Obviously, the economic and safety net issues are important. They're just as important to gays as to everyone else. But they're especially important to gay couples who can't marry and therefore can't participate in the same benefits and advantages married couples take for granted. For example, when one member of a gay couple on Social Security dies, the survivor has no right to the other's benefits. That can mean an instant financial crisis.

The main reason why Republicans have been so successful in their use of social wedge issues is that Democrats have so often been tepid and spineless in standing up for those issues. And, when Republicans succeed on social issues, they also succeed on thwarting any progress on economic and safety net issues.

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Hi there!
Posted by: blackavenger on Aug 6, 2005 3:20 PM   
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I read this article and as a minority I can say that Clara Luper has done many great things. However as far as rights go, we all have the same rights today. The primary people who are suppressinng black people are liberals and certain black politicians. (black on black crime?) Young black people should be taught today that they live in the greatest and most free country in the world, and Jackson, Sharpton, and the Naacp just arent cutting it. They want to create racial tension because it helps keep them in power. It also is a partisan racial issue that they use to try to hurt republicans. Neither I nor any other black person born in this country has ever been a slave, so therefore nothing is owed to me or any other minority. People today should look at Condoleeza Rice or Colin powell for examples of how to live our lives. Now race baiters and certain reverends who were caught with there pants down in an exta-marrital affair. I vote republican because it is and always has been the pary of civil rights.
Blackavenger

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Guam grateful for visit
Posted by: NasionChamoru on Sep 2, 2005 7:07 PM   
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Quite a few of us here on Guam had the good fortune of hearing Ms. Luper speak a few years back. The interview she gave was not only heartwarming but empowering as well. She's a dynamic lady, an inspiration to many and may very well be the Teacher of teachers!
Thank you Ms. Clara for your contributions and love for humanity. Debbie Quinata-Guam

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mzretta
Posted by: mzretta on Sep 19, 2005 12:46 PM   
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I am one of the fortunate, I had the opportunity to be one of Ms. Luper's students as well as she watched me grow from a child to an adult. She not only played a huge roll with my high school education but my up-bringing through church. She was a part of my mother's life, my life and my daughter's life and for that, I'm eternally grateful. Thanks Ms. Luper for all you and others have done to pave the way for me and others to enjoy such a rich and blessed life! My concern now is, where's the next Clara Luper? Seeing as though the generation now, seems to think all is well and they have arrived!

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Civil Rights Alive in Clara Still
Posted by: morningbear on Aug 14, 2006 10:47 AM   
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Clara is a hingepin that encouraged many Oklahomans to push for changes in what was laughably called civil rights in Oklahoma. When I moved back to the homestead in 1971 and subsequently became student at the University of Oklahoma, Class of 73, Oklahoma still had signs that spoke to the demeaning of people of color. Even towns that were predominantly Native American had signs of the segregation that had gripped the state less than a decade before. I recall the Squad room of the Anadarko Police Station displayed the "N___s must be out of town before sundown" sign that had arched over two of the main highways into town for half a century. Clara was a mover and a shaker. She inspired people of color and many with little color at all. Wilma Mankiller, the finest Chief of the Cherokee Nation, was of my generation, helped industrialize her people. Frannie Lewis, who died in the mid -1970's was a beleagured African-American leader seeking dignity from public services for the poor women and men who lived in slums and public housing. Except for a very few black and red leaders in Oklahoma, most seemed to have dropped the ball regarding social reform and economic equity. Civil disobedience was not in their vocabulary. Many seemed to only to want to feather their own nests and capitolize on their color. Not Clara. She is the most vigerous and feisty defender of civil rights I ever new in Oklahoma. Long after Katz Drugs was out of business the building was used as a community theatre. Most of the plays delt with issues of justice. I performed in several of them and always thought of the lunch counter where it all started. I now live in Oregon with my spouse's family, and am glad to see Clara still making her mark. We share so many values.

Tlanese Sunalei Yo'nv Cullimore Mercer, M.Div.

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