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War on Terror, Rest in Peace

By George Lakoff, AlterNet. Posted August 1, 2005.


Though politically useful for Bush and his minions, the 'war frame' never fit the reality of terrorism. It was successful at consolidating power -- but counterproductive in dealing with the real threat.
War on Terror, Rest in Peace
War on Terror, Rest in Peace

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The "War on Terror" is no more. It has been replaced by the "global struggle against violent extremism."

The phrase "War on Terror" was chosen with care. "War" is a crucial term. It evokes a war frame, and with it, the idea that the nation is under military attack -- an attack that can only be defended militarily, by use of armies, planes, bombs, and so on. The war frame includes special war powers for the president, who becomes commander in chief. It evokes unquestioned patriotism, and the idea that lack of support for the war effort is treasonous. It forces Congress to give unlimited powers to the President, lest detractors be called unpatriotic. And the war frame includes an end to the war -- winning the war, mission accomplished!

The war frame is all-consuming. It takes focus away from other problems, from everyday troubles, from jobs, education, health care, a failing economy. It justifies the spending of huge sums, and sending raw recruits into battle with inadequate equipment. It justifies the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. It justifies torture, military tribunals, and no due process. It justifies scaring people, with yellow, orange, and red alerts. But, while it was politically useful, the war frame never fit the reality of terrorism. It was successful at consolidating power, but counterproductive in dealing with the real threat.

Colin Powell had suggested "crime" as the frame to use. It justifies an international hunt for the criminals, allows "police actions" when the military is absolutely required, and places the focus and the funding on where it should go: intelligence, diplomacy, politics, economics, religion, banking, and so on. And it would have kept us militarily strong and in a better position to deal with cases like North Korea and Darfur.

But the crime frame comes with no additional power for the president, and no way to hide domestic troubles. It comes with trials at the international court, giving that court's sovereignty over purely American institutions. It couldn't win in the administration as constituted.

The abstract noun, "terror," names not a nation or even people, but an emotion and the acts that create it. A "war on terror" can only be metaphorical. Terror cannot be destroyed by weapons or signing a peace treaty. A war on terror has no end. The president's war powers have no end. The need for a Patriot Act has no end.

It is important to note the date on which the phrase "war on terror" died and was replaced by "global struggle against violent extremism." It was right after the London bombing. Using the War frame to think and talk about terrorism was becoming more difficult. The Iraq War was declared won and over, but it became clear that it was far from over and not at all won and that it created many new terrorists for every one it destroyed. The last justification - fighting the war on terror in Iraq so it wouldn't have to be fought at home -- died in the London bombing.

And so the term "War on Terror" had to go. Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head man in waging war, said he had objected to the term, "because, if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as the solution" Instead, the solution is "more diplomatic, more economic, more political than it is military."

That's what was said by those in the anti-war movement.

Donald Rumsfeld's spokesman, Lawrence DiRita, said that the change in language was "not a shift in thinking," like Nixon saying "I am not a crook." But when the war frame is crucial and evoked by the word "war," then dropping the "war" while addressing the public will result in a shift in thinking in the public mind: If the war frame is not evoked in the public mind, the failure of the president's war policy will be less visible.

The new phrase is less comprehensible, long, complicated. You almost have to memorize it: "global struggle against ...what was that exact wording again? Oh yeah, "violent extremism." It doesn't sound like poetry, but it a perverse way it is. It says the administration's policy is like the words for it: hard to comprehend, long, complicated. The new phrase is not memorable, and that's the point.


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George Lakoff is the author of Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate' (Chelsea Green). He is Professor of Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley and a Senior Fellow of the Rockridge Institute.

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Yes You are Right!
Posted by: sensitiveguy3 on Aug 1, 2005 3:48 AM   
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Who are we to fight a war on terror!! You liberals have got it right!! We should let the terrorists come over unimpeded and kill as many people as they want to!! Thats brilliant!! Maybe Pelosi, Boxer,Kennedy,and good old Hillary Clinton can create a bill subsidizing the terrorists with taxpayer money!! You liberals are brilliant!!!

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This article is total baloney
Posted by: FlapJackSeven on Aug 1, 2005 4:52 AM   
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First, it is a global war on terrorism, and that was true before 9/11. Secondly, the war in Iraq is going well and we may pull out substantially before the end of next year. The reason liberals hate the war in Iraq is they are afraid democracy will take hold in the middle east. Lastly, the consolidaton of law enforcement agencies at the federal level was long overdue and was recommended before 9/11.

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Fight a war on a noun?
Posted by: churchofone on Aug 1, 2005 5:09 AM   
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How do you do that, anyway?

We certainly haven't been successful at it so far.

War on Terror
War on Poverty
War on Drugs

All of these problems are merely symptoms of larger, underlying issues. Rather than dealing with the causal level, the focus has been to deal with the symptoms instead.

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Right On Dr. Lakoff
Posted by: nietgal on Aug 1, 2005 5:12 AM   
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When the 'PUbs and Dem's have respect for the rest of us in the USA who love the English Language, and the entire history of English Language, then We the People of the USA will become truly a potent force. Especially if we unite as commoners in the same language with those of our source, U.K.

The word is mightier than the sword. Take the word Bible. For me it includes 4 sets of books: TaNaK, Apocrypha, New Testament, Koran.

So when you talk about terror and war, in my head I review the whole history of terror and war from 600BCE to 600CE, graphically with the word Bible. Bible which created Y'H'V'H, not God nor Allah, but Y'H'V'H. There's a difference, even when reading this article and all the comments about terror and war.

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War On Terror
Posted by: jimrayc on Aug 1, 2005 5:20 AM   
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Although the above is obviously an oxymoron, here's another one filled with morons who behave like oxes - and perhaps the more appropriate targets:

"The War On Politicians"

Kinda has a ring to it, huh? But don't tell me it's called "apathy", please. If you ingnore these morons, they'll simply do neat things like ratify "The Patriot Act" FOREVER !!!!!

Oh, that's only JUST happened????

See?

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Newspeak
Posted by: Rick on Aug 1, 2005 5:34 AM   
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Bravo. And you said it without mentioning Orwell. Too obvious, I suppose. Of course, this administration is very adept at its word choice not just about war, but for all of their policies and programs. Everyone needs to pay attention or pay the consequences.

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Sound Bite
Posted by: treehuggingliberal on Aug 1, 2005 5:34 AM   
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Hmmm, I don't think "global struggle against violent extremism" makes for a good sound bite. All across America Fox viewers will be sitting in front of their TVs with puzzled looks on their faces--"I don't get it, did we win or not?"
Might want to rethink this one Rummy and Rove.

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I read this on "PRWatch.org" comment
Posted by: sausage on Aug 1, 2005 5:50 AM   
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jmgear's post on July 28 read in part:"Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism ... Global SAVE, get it?! With the boy emperor as, you got it, the head SAVior."

Seems to make sense, since this administration is all about marketing. And, of course, the current (mis)administration has targeted so-called left-wing extrmemist organizations Earth Liberation Front, ELF and the Animal Liberation Front, ALF for special scrutiny.

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Ignore the Irrational Postings
Posted by: Sandra on Aug 1, 2005 5:58 AM   
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Yes it was time for the Neocons to reframe their retoric. It's also time for thoughtful people who post on Alternet to ignore the postings of the people trying to get you riled up through their irrational, partyline responses. I believe that they are paid by the Republicans to come on sites like this and divert the conversation from meaningful responses and actions. Read the postings, laugh at their absurdity and go on to the next one. If you want to better understand how these people think and operate you should watch the documentary "Bush's Brain" currently showing on the Sundance television channel.

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Double Talk
Posted by: Erin on Aug 1, 2005 6:51 AM   
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Bush, Rumsfeld, Rove, et al, can come up with any cutsey phases they want to divert attention away from their own terrorist activities. But, a war by any other name is still a war. Wake up, America. Your rights have been taken away (Patriot Act), and the world is really tired of our arrogant ways.

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Right Wing Point of View – Explanation
Posted by: bonapartist on Aug 1, 2005 6:55 AM   
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"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?

Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Göring

Hermann Göring or Goering, (1893-1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and, as Hitler's designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich.

Having in mind his credentials I will venture to say he knew what he talked about.

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American Jihad
Posted by: spaghetti happens on Aug 1, 2005 6:59 AM   
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Just a note that on the very day I first heard the new phrase deployed by administration spokespeople, I also heard something else that was quite telling. Somebody on the radio was discussing in another context the Arabic concept of "jihad", which translates into English as--and the irony here is priceless--"struggle".

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I'd like to add to Lakoff's argument
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 1, 2005 7:26 AM   
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Don't forget that Bush is no better than previous presidents, excluding Clinton to some degree, in giving aid to rogue nations such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq in the 80s, China though Clinton was also a part of that, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, and most of the Arab regimes that were puppet regimes. Even while terrorists continue to attack in both rural and suburban areas in this country and across the world, little if any attention is given to these attacks until it hits big cities like New York, Madrid, London, etc ... . Even then the only thing these neocon righwing radicals do is invent excuses to renew the BIG BROTHER act cons mislabel as patriot act which takes away privacy rights of law abiding citizens while shielding terrorists from privacy invasions, make it easier for gun dealers to not held accountable for allowing serial killers and terrorists both domestic and international access to firearms, and push for more drilling of poisons to further gut the environment thereby giving terrorists access to bio terrorists while killing incentives for alternative renewable sources of energy.

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Why Colin Powell and John Kerry
Posted by: Marjorie G on Aug 1, 2005 7:50 AM   
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Seems everyone is trying to never mention that we had a candidate, John Kerry, correct on so many ideas about Iraq and terrorism. Before the war, during, and in all this incompetently managed aftermath of waging it, he never wanted regime change or our permanent presence. He did not want this war.

John Kerry, a prosecutor who brought down a mob, mentioned the same reasons as above and was criticized in negative ads by the GOP during the campaign. During his BCCI investigation, he had difficulty accessing the Saudi money. That's one of the only good few things to come out of the first Patriot Act. The Dems did not applaud, understand or defend the Kerry experience, or seemingly now.

With his book, experience, and many interviews from the 80s, through the present, he shared ideas about how to frame and conduct the realities and politics of what we are facing. Gee, the Bush people have now used many of them.

We need to understand and respect our candidates, not hold them up to some purist perfection, when governing and running a national campaign is so difficult. They are also not immune to party disorganization and media manipulation. The NYT magazine interview about fighting terrorism was brilliant, and went unnoticed, except for a negative GOP ad.

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War on Terror
Posted by: woodford54 on Aug 1, 2005 8:24 AM   
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If America would remove it's troops from the all the mid-eastern countries, terrorism in the US and Europe would STOP. But that's not glitzy enough for the far right imperialists. It's simple, easy, logical, and very, very CHRISTIAN, (who would Jesus bomb?) but it would benefit all of us, and not just the right wing wealthy elitist repugnicans, and let's not forget, those like you who have been drinking just a little too much Kool Aid!

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Here We Go Again...
Posted by: bonapartist on Aug 1, 2005 8:28 AM   
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“War on Terror” or “Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism”, no matter how you call it is the same story all over again. Pardon my language but if it looks like manure and smells like manure then the most obvious explanation is that we are talking about manure and not a stack of rose petals.

Whatever the designated name it remains the fact that it is a complete failure. Four years after 9/11 Bin Laden is free, he gained in strength and he or his ideological allies committed a number of successful terrorist attacks world – wide. Obviously “War on Terror” failed to destroy, weaken, or even contain terrorism. Only visible results are arrests done by Spanish and British authorities and those were done after the attacks. That means anti terrorism is on defence and it is forced to parry terrorists who retain the tactical advantage of striking where and when they please.

If resources diverted to Iraqi occupation have been used to beef up intelligence and special forces results could only be better then this next to complete failure. However, if that was done, current US president would get little special powers and Iraqi oil fields would remain in Iraqi hands. Thus “War on Terror” was a convenient excuse to occupy region with valuable resources while it did nothing to really combat terrorism. Further more survival of Bin Laden & Co. is fundamental for American warmongers, for if designated enemy was destroyed they would lose their reason for existence. Thus I sincerely doubt current US government really wants to destroy Islamic terrorism.

Troops sitting in Iraq certainly didn’t aid in any way the police arresting terrorists after the deed has been done. The reasoning goes that US troops are in Iraq because Saddam had connections with 9/11 and thus with his fall terrorism lost one base of operation. The problem is that Saddam had no connections with 9/11 and Bin Laden himself described Iraq’s secular dictatorship as an infidel enemy. Even if you disagree with it and claim, despite proofs, that Saddam had connections with 9/11 then the fact still remains Iraq today is a terrorist recruiting/training haven and thus it is a bigger threat then alleged covert support Bin Laden has been receiving from Saddam. Further more Bin Laden was trained and supported by US to kill Soviets in Afghanistan by exactly the same means he is now using to kill Americans.

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IRA Logic
Posted by: bonapartist on Aug 1, 2005 8:29 AM   
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If the American right wing logic was followed then UK should have levelled down Dublin with bombers and occupied Republic of Ireland decades ago to destroy IRA’s base. Actually the British occupation of Ireland lasted for centuries and in the end British had to withdraw due to the popular resistance. IRA is laying down its arms precisely because of diplomacy and politics and not because UK suppressed them by terrorising Irish civilians and by military occupation of Ireland. Interestingly enough precisely that, meaning terrorising civilians by military occupation forces, gave birth to IRA in the first place.

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The Stuggle
Posted by: wannabersc on Aug 1, 2005 9:13 AM   
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Isn't "To Stuggle" the same as Jihad? Yes, I will struggle with islam, for (are they not) strugglling with me, a kaffir?

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Odd timing, this new frame !!
Posted by: horrified heartlander on Aug 1, 2005 9:15 AM   
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Odd timing this new frame. The word comes down from the Orwellian newspeak crowd just before the beginning of Washington's annual slumber, and not just after. Might something occur during the "dog days" of August that highlights our redefined "struggle"?

Lakoff is right in noting an increasing disconnnect between the war in Iraq and its contextually larger war on terror. The actual 2 wars (including Afghanistan) we currently wage can be better spun as part and parcel of a more vague and less definable surge in extreme violence. But just how extreme has the extremity of violence been and will be in the future, anticipating even these days of official relaxation? Is there something in the winds that portends an even more violent conflagration? Or, as our troll friends will insist, am I merely musing on topics deemed paranoid?

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Anything that neocons hate this much is the way to go!
Posted by: Liberal42 on Aug 1, 2005 9:51 AM   
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For sensitiveguy3 to post such a strong reponse we must be on to something. This article speaks volumes of truth and as we all know truth is the enemy of the power brokers at the top of our government. We must email this article to every one we know. Only by spreading intelligent thinking can we win over a very lost nation. Just how lost... see sensitiveguy3.

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Reminding People That the War Still Goes On
Posted by: jennix on Aug 1, 2005 9:53 AM   
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george, you say:
"What should progressives do? Remind the public that there is still a war going on, that it was the wrong policy from the beginning, that the administration now agrees with the anti-war activists, and that you can't end a war just by stopping the use of the word."

We should be paying attention to reports from indy journalists like Phillip Robertson, for Salon.com, about what's happening on the ground in Iraq--and get others to pay attention. Left and right. Here's a link that will take you to info about the mainstream media's admission that they aren't up to the job of showing the true face of the war in Iraq (from DailyKos.com), and a link to Robertson's latest piece on Salon.
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Typical Conservative Repeat-O Bot
Posted by: dbatterman on Aug 1, 2005 11:14 AM   
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This guy can't even come up with a coherent statement, beyond stringing together snips from talk radio rants and Fox News opinion wanks. This sort of response exposes what is typical of these kinds of "conservatives", a total and absolute lack of original thought, emenating from an acceptance of whatever is told to them by people wearing the right color tie. I'd be amazed if this guy can open a cereal box without someone telling him how.

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Semantics
Posted by: dbatterman on Aug 1, 2005 11:18 AM   
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words words words. the world is built on them. it will be destroyed on them. whether it's "holy books" or rhetoric, it's fascinating how they shape destiny, open and close so many doors, and kill or revive.

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One more thing, about the troops
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 1, 2005 11:54 AM   
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Bush and GOP and neocons in general pretending to bring the troops home next year right before the midterm elections is not only an election stunt but as his book would suggest another example of how "conservatives" and Republicans continue to pretend that they have a heart like a nurturing parent but in reality it's all "strict father morality" policies and more of it to come right after the election. Progressives must purge the "centrist" to neocon wing of the party, be it those in the DLC, Blue Dog coalition, or for that matter any pro-rightwing group calling themselves Democrat and not be afraid to make their case in all 50 states. When Arnold and his "conservative" cronies in the CA Republican party could do it in CA, I see no reason for Democrats and progressives to be just as brave and follow the example of Montana Democrats in states like Texas, Florida, Virginia, etc ...

P.S. : As Thomas Bico of the moderateindependent.com honestly said


"And it is time for Americans to hear actual facts. That a withdrawal from Iraq isn't going to come sooner and it isn't going to come later. That, in fact, it will never occur. That the election stunt called the Battle for Fallujah is an episode that should lead to impeachment. That there now exists, rather than the "recovering and growing" economy you hear about, something called an inverted yield curve, which has only existed preceding recessions, and has accurately predicted and appeared before basically every recession our nation has seen. That, despite the media's silence, oil continues at all-time highs."


Yes, I know, the truth alone won't set you free but framing it and making it acceptable to the public will as Lakoff and Dean know.

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Trouble Aboard the Conservative Ship
Posted by: PeaceWarrior on Aug 1, 2005 12:00 PM   
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I don't mind being called a liberal if it's the opposite of the thinking that got us into the Iraq mess. Calling themselves conservatives is clearly a name-only thing--look to fiscally responsible types who respect individual liberties to be called real conservatives: these guys claiming to be are more liberal than they think since they use government to further their ends.

It's odd they use characteristics of weakness to define liberals. This ad honomin opens the door for them to call themselves strong by taking action. Well, the action they've taken is to get a lot of our people killed. And the outcome of the War on Terror (call it what they will) is still very much in doubt. It would seem their displays of strength are actually quite powerless against the terrorists, as the London bombings show. And the more apparent to the rest of the world how really weak the purveyors of US aggression really are, and how ineffective they are despite the talk, every two-bit terr from lower Slabovia will want to get in on the act.

Some see masculine and aggressive rhetoric as the hollow drivel it is. It's clearly hats off to the Iraqi insurgents who've managed to force the Administration to reframe the terms of the war (For those who haven't heard, we were never at war with the terrorists, we were at war with violent extremists.)

(New) conservatives are a hopelessly inward looking bunch, who define the world on American terms. Because their main goal is consolidating domestic political control, they try to look good here even if it means losing over there. Their America-first (which could arguably include Israel-first and America-second) worldview has led to catastrophic failure--land war in Asia.

So let the conservatives come. I'll gladly debate the War on Terror with them, or whatever it is they want to call it. I'd say they're already scared that the American people will see how badly they misled our country--hence the renaming of the War on Terror they launched with such great vigor and such little effect. Call me a liberal, but at least I'm not getting our boys killed in a failed cause. More will die, the war will produce nothing as nothing can be "won." Fight it another way or we will continue to lose. Thanks for your failed leadership--I thought you Conservatives were fighting to keep us liberals safe--it will hopefully reveal to America what chickenhawk scoundrels you really are.

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hellobob
Posted by: hattonr on Aug 1, 2005 12:35 PM   
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Terrorist attacks increased about 300%, from 175 to 655, in the year following our invasion of Iraq. Iraq was an "innocent bystander" country in terms of anything related to attacks against us--until we started a war there.
Have we killed ten times as many innocent civilians as were killed on 9-11, or 30 times as many? It is blood-curdling that anyone can dismiss that level of horror, intentionally inflicted, & then go on to point their fingers at others. Follow the money--the Bush family have profitted from war for three generations. How are we protected today from terrorism here? By magic? Our imports are not inspected, our borders are porous, our trains are not inspected, the Feds don't have a dollar to spend to defend public transportation.
so what exactly are you talking about?

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» Recall the lesson of Sparta Posted by: Sojourner
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Watch what they do, not what they say!
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 1, 2005 4:43 PM   
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The US military invaded a sovereign nation under a pretense of excuses that have proved to be a sham. That is a war crime.

Yes, terrorism is a problem. But it is a different problem than war crimes.

Let's keep war crimes separate from terrorism, OK? Otherwise, we fall into Bush's trap.

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Friends stab you in the front
Posted by: torito on Aug 1, 2005 5:22 PM   
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I am of a very international background being half Spanish and half British, having lived in Germany for most of my life and have studied the past two years in France. This has enabled me to gain a very broad perspective on how different cultures, and most importantly of all, how people, friends, from different cultures think about the war. I have heard all different sorts of point of views. During the time period where I studied for my International Baccalaureate Diploma we had a course called ToK, Theory of Knowledge. Here we learnt how politicians and the media (whether it be television, radio, internet, newspapers etc.) make use of language to evoke emotions, subconsciously. Probably the most famous example is how we westerners glorify our soldiers who go on "heroic missions" and "fight the forces of evil" or "eliminate the insurgents" (mind you, fighting for what is portrayed as our cause), whereas Iraqi troops, who are also fighting for their cause and political ideologies, are portrayed as "rebels", and "pursue violent acts of agression" or even "fearlessly attacked our troops".

My point I would like to state is that things must be put into perspective. Countries such as Iraq feel threatened by us westerners and therefore automatically become a threat to us. Its time for us to open our eyes and realise that if we do want peace, it can only be achieved diplomatically. Not by means of destruction. Had the United States taken a more diplomatic approach (which by all means requires great patience), it could have saved so many lives, new threats which have emerged (Madrid, London) and also spent those billions on a sturdy health care or similar. What have America and its Allied Forces gained from the war?

Last but not least, "democracy" is something completely strange to countries like Iraq. It doesnt fit in with their culture, religion, or history. Why cannot countries be independent and only rely on the help of others if there is a real need of it. When a country's people is dissatisfied, it leads to revolution, being a natural human instinct to make progress and thus filter out the bad. Let humanity take its own natural cycle. It has done so successfully in the past, otherwise we would not be here in the first place.

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Change or die.
Posted by: scottzak on Aug 1, 2005 5:45 PM   
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Democrats need to embrace the phrase and apply it to the wacko right (our homegrown extremists) immediately, before Rove tars all liberals and progressives with the label "extremist" for the 2006 election. I expect to hear some GOP slime-artist (Santorum, DeLay, Coleman) brandish the word "extremist" as a description of the first critic who lets his emotions get away from him while expressing a healthy outrage at the actions of high officeholders in this adminstration.

The republican squawk machine cannot be allowed to establish ownership of the word extremism while the opposition enjoys a Congressional recess. If dems don't seize this memetic weapon now, they will be looking up in November 2006 wondering how they were had -- yet again.

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The acronym
Posted by: reader309 on Aug 1, 2005 6:38 PM   
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And the acronym ....SAVE
S truggle A gainst V iolent E xtremism. Surely that occurred to the P.A.T.R.I.O.T.s.

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War On Terror
Posted by: vlom2441 on Aug 1, 2005 10:22 PM   
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It is the same dog with a diffetent collar. Nothing changed. The lemmings will be soon reapting it like parrots.

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Blood Cannibal Cult
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 2, 2005 12:28 AM   
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Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all cannibal cults that find their existence arising from the harsh and cruel desert environment.

Individual Biological Opportunity is the type of strategy that is being foisted onto the Western world by the followers of these cannibal cults.

The Hebrews are an ancient tribe of cannibals that fancy themselves able to outsmart their enemies. In this case, they are scoring pretty well at the moment as the people of the world are their enemies, though when they run out of enemies they eat each other. They also have a behavior of huckstering on other peoples blood, they are doing well there also.

Our political system is in their hands to a degree, some refer to the war crime committing america as the Zionist occupation government, not a bad description, though they need the complete assistance of the gentile members of the merchant murder class.

Some question how Bush became the puppet for the cannibal cults plans; when he ditched war time duty during Viet-Nam, he first went to see General Green who then sent him to talk to Admiral Rose who then sent the chickenhawk Bush to see Ben Barnes in the Texas house. He is an upstanding respecter of cannibal power, and of course look where it got him.

One aspect of the cannibal cults that are plunging america into a full blown nuclear war, with loss of most of the mopes in this nation, they are not merely ordinary cannibals, they are genocidal cannibals. This behavior again is from the stressed environment of the desert. Destroy all other feeders to reduce pressure on the resource base.

Humans are also pack hunting animals; for one to hunt other humans, deception is the top priority. This is why Bush talks of human rights, while the mind degraded american soldier sic's a dog on a captive. Bush talks of freedom, while our death squad operating war crime committing leadership takes our money, "its like taking candy from a baby," and builds more depraved prisons, to continue their crimes against humanity.

War itself is aimed at the domestic population, its object is to subordinate the mass to exploitation at the hands of the dominant class. While the 4000 Hebrews in the World trade towers took the day off on 9/11, we should not forget that 23,000 "Professionals" also took the day off. We are facing off against a large criminal class, polyglot in nature.

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End of US democracy and standing in the world!
Posted by: worldbfre on Aug 2, 2005 12:09 PM   
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Torturing prisoners and children
The 01 August 2005 Herald article “Iraq's Child Prisoners” states “A Sunday Herald investigation has discovered that coalition forces are holding more than 100 children in jails such as Abu Ghraib. Witnesses claim that the detainees – some as young as 10 – are also being subjected to rape and torture”.

Hiding abuse evidence
The July 23, 2005 New York Times article “U.S. defies order to give up Abu Ghraib abuse photos” states “In early June, Judge Alvin Hellerstein of U.S. District Court in Manhattan ordered the release of the additional photographs, part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union to determine the extent of abuse at American military prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.”

What reasoning for covering-up the photographs? W’s boys used because they "could result in harm to individuals" and that it would outline the reasons in a sealed brief to the court.”

McCain and Graham fail to have Congress involved
According to the July 29, 2005 “Global Eye” article “Darker Purpose” by Chris Floyd, two GOP leeches John McCain and Lindsey Graham wanted to pretend that the US Senate actually had some purpose, power in W’s “everlasting war against terrorism”, but W would not accept that usurpation of his imperial power.

“The measure is an attempt to lend congressional legitimacy to the Bush gulag, as co-sponsor Lindsey Graham made clear. ”We need congressional buy-in to
Guantanamo," Graham said bluntly.”


No legal recourse for detainees
The ABC News August 1, 2005 article “Leaked emails claim Guantanamo trials rigged” states “Leaked emails from two former prosecutors claim the military commissions set up to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay are rigged, fraudulent, and thin on evidence against the accused.”

Sounds like the beginning of the end of US democracy. W openly hides evidence, lessens the role of Congress and the courts, commits crimes against humanity, and cuts US citizens’ rights.

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Barry Goldwater redux
Posted by: ridovem on Aug 2, 2005 12:55 PM   
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Does anyone else recall the campaign (by another Texan, Lyndon Johnson) in which "the 'Other'" was tagged as "an extremist"? The response from Barry Goldwater (as I remember it) was that "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." I wonder what the U.S. response might be if Iraqi insurgents began leaving this mot in their wake (much the way Zorro left a sign of his passage)... ^..^

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It's all in the wording now, eh?
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 2, 2005 1:01 PM   
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Lakoff's article was excellent. No matter what the R's call it, they have no way of ending this mess over in Iraq and Afghanistan. People's lives have been altered forever and our soldiers were used as pawns to profit from Iraq's resources.
Iraq's cities are a shambles, sewer lines and electricity hasn't been fully restored while their children are not getting enough to eat.
If this was a "war" to begin with, how come no treaty has been signed? Seems like Iraqis are the on the front lines in the "war on terror." I don't hear of American cities coming under (imagined) terrorist attacks or a foreign power raining bombs and Apache gunships on Pittsburgh.
But how can our government continue to justify the deaths of nameless Iraqis in the name of Halliburton?
Woe to our next president. What will he do to end this nightmare Bushitler and his henchmen started. So far no one in Washington hasn't addressed that. No matter how these jerks phrase the language, we're wrong and we've failed. Iraq-Mission Impo$$ible.

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moderatedem
Posted by: moderatedem on Aug 3, 2005 7:17 AM   
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Bravo! One reason for the word "violent" before "extremism" might be to forestall reminders that good Republican Barry Goldwater said "extremism" in the defense of liberty is no vice. Also, see the opening salvo in the attack on animal rights groups in the TechCentralStation a few days ago.

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Gwot limerick
Posted by: Sum Won on Aug 5, 2005 6:39 PM   
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The Global war on terror, GWOT
Its ratings are slipping, a lot
A new kind o war
Never seen before
Then they’ll emerge from that rot

No more gloomy vision
They’ve reached a unanimous decision
No line in the sand
For this new brand
It's the Global struggle against violent extremism

A new slogan that’s the strategy
Where Halliburton charges the fee
The same cast is in
Who cares, did we win?
The show goes on you’ll see

A plot with such a spin
Go anywhere and just begin
Dollars roll out
The people shout
G save them, from their sin

Judges, lawyers and all the crew
No need, we hired a kangaroo
We/re right your wrong
Wait for the gong
Then it’s Guantanamo for you

We hear what we see
Especially when on TV
It can’t be bad
If sponsored by ad
From our friends at P&G

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Next President ?????
Posted by: Jennelle on Aug 6, 2005 5:34 AM   
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You really believe Bush and his minions will just calmly give up power ? HA !!! Dictators don't give up power. They will come up with something to do away with the constution. But they will wrap it up all "legally" Weep for our lost republic

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» RE: Next President ????? Posted by: berrygoldwater2004
campaign vs. "violent extremism"
Posted by: dracorix on Aug 7, 2005 10:49 AM   
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Ever notice Bush's (unintended, I'm sure) irony here: He wants us to go after other countries' extremists, but hides the fact that his supporters are themselves homegrown extremists?

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"...is there a hole for me to get sick in?"
Posted by: rockpicker on Aug 7, 2005 6:13 PM   
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IF YOU WANT PEACE, WORK FOR JUSTICE.

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You be the judge
Posted by: rockpicker on Aug 7, 2005 6:31 PM   
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Go to this website and spend some time. The country has been duped. But we can turn things around. It's up to us to educate ourselves, and demand a full investigation. George has Dicked US once too often.

http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html

Next year is our opportunity to change the complexion of congress. It could be our last, best chance.

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Um, George still uses the term.
Posted by: boikley on Aug 8, 2005 12:08 AM   
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5 times in his last speech, I believe.

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Third Anniversary of DSM, July23...news blackout
Posted by: rockpicker on Aug 8, 2005 12:14 AM   
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The 23 of July was the third anniversary of the Downing Street Minutes. Town hall meetings were held in cities across the country. Thousands attended. The mainstream media failed to cover the event. Even NPR made no mention. I listened in real time to the NY gathering at my computer in Montana. I know it happened. Liz Holtzman's speech is archived on the Nation's website. In it she explains that the War Crimes Act of 1996 forbids torture and inhumane treatment of detainees, and also that no statute of limitations exists in cases where there is a fatality.

Last week fifteen democrats sided with the republicans and passed CAFTA, neatly separating the wheat from the chaff.

The 15 Democratic sellouts were:

Melissa Bean (IL)
Jim Cooper (TN)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Norm Dicks (WA)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
William Jefferson (LA)
Jim Matheson (UT)
Greg Meeks (NY)
Dennis Moore (KS)
Jim Moran (VA)
Solomon Ortiz (TX)
Ike Skelton (MO)
Vic Snyder (AR)
John Tanner (TN)
Ed Towns (NY)

We need to dump these bums and replace them with people who will work for US. And we need to take back the House of Representatives. Then we can focus on Bush and his thugs.

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dude, can i have some?
Posted by: getitgotitgood on Sep 13, 2005 6:41 PM   
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what ever you have in your bag is better than my purple haired thunder fuck.

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