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Bad Medicine?

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted August 9, 2005.


Cannabis is proven to be a fairly harmless drug -- so why is the American right still waging a massive war on weed?
Bad Medicine?
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"For me, the law is about the promise of justice," John Ashcroft confessed in his opening statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearing in the early months of 2001. "All men and all women, all people are equal."

And so -- judging by the actions of the attorney general after that statement was issued -- are drugs. Although a wide expanse of independent and government-funded research into cannabis has proven the drug to be less dangerous than sometimes-lethal, but nevertheless legal, substances such as alcohol and tobacco, that accumulating body of evidence did nothing to shrink the growing impasse over marijuana (cannabis).

In fact, barely two years later, and in the midst of a frenetic Department of Justice scramble to secure America against the sort of terrorists that assaulted us on 9/11, there stood Ashcroft and his colleagues, announcing the arrest of...Tommy Chong. For selling -- what else? -- bongs.

Although Chong's son Paris was the chief architect of the company Chong Glass -- as well as its Nice Dreams series of smoking pipes -- it was Tommy (the stoner icon that helped make Cheech and Chong one of 20th-century counterculture's funnier experiments) that "was the more responsible corporate officer, because he financed and marketed the product," U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan told LA Weekly. The punishment came down on Chong, ironically enough, on September 11, 2003: Nine-month prison bid, $20,000 fine and more than $100,000 in personal assets seized.

And while some may not blink at that sentence, it's fair to rewind the clock some before moving onward into America's continuing war on weed.

In the mid-'90s, when Dan Burton, Jr., son of the virulently anti-drug U.S. Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), was busted in Louisiana for transporting almost eight pounds of marijuana, and was found a scant six months afterwards in his Indianapolis residence with 30 cannabis plants and a shotgun nearby, the feds declined to prosecute the case. Instead, Burton was ordered by a Louisiana judge to engage in community service. (This is the same Rep. Burton who tried to pass a bill that would subject some drug traffickers to the death penalty, and who obsessively helped rake President Clinton over Monica Lewinsky's coals.)

When Republican congressman Spencer Bachus' son Warren was apprehended in 1993 for possession of cannabis -- as well as possession of the kind of drug paraphernalia that cost Tommy Chong nine months of his life and a suitcase full of $100 dollar bills -- the younger Bachus wasn't even convicted. In fact, he was set free after paying $56 in court expenses.

Fast forward several years later and nothing, as far as the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) is concerned, seems to have changed on the cannabis front.

Unless you ask the 500 law enforcement and child welfare service agencies across the 45 states that participated in the National Association of Counties (NACO) recent survey on drugs, in which over 58 percent of those polled argued that meth -- not marijuana -- is the nation's top drug epidemic. In fact, less than 20 percent polled named cocaine as a major culprit, and an even smaller contingency laid the blame at the feet of cannabis. All of which seems to conflict with the arguments of the DEA and Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) -- which is managed by the nation's drug czar, John P. Walters -- who contend that cannabis is still the nation's de facto drug problem.

This attitude seems to fly in the face of scientific facts, whether they are provided by cannabis anti-jail groups like the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) and National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws (NORML), or hard-science advocates like the nonprofit Institute of Medicine (IOM), a component of the National Academy of Sciences which conducts research and dispenses advice to the nation-at-large on medicine, biology and health.

"Both the DEA and ONDCP[‘s missions are] to make sure that marijuana remains illegal," argues Keith Stroup, NORML's executive director. "ONDCP regularly puts out press releases and runs public service ads claiming marijuana is the number one drug problem we face in America today. Keep in mind, alcohol kills 50,000 people each year; tobacco kills 430,000 people each year. Marijuana has never killed anyone from an overdose in the history of mankind."

Stroup's assertions are supported by evidence from far and wide. Regarding the ONDCP's so-called public service announcements, the drug czar's online bio proudly claims Walters is responsible for "ads linking drug trafficking with terrorism," as well as those "focusing on the harms of marijuana," although there is no specific mention of how such controversial methods have decreased cannabis use. In fact, the bio only claims that Walters' cannabis tactics "have been credited with helping change youth attitudes and behavior toward drugs," although it doesn't mention how.


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Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, AOL and others.

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Another war on a noun that fails
Posted by: churchofone on Aug 9, 2005 4:04 AM   
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Along with the wars on poverty and terror.

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» Exporting your War to Canada Posted by: hiroprotagonist
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» READ THE BIBLE !!! Posted by: nitsua1023
Cannabis from the dark side
Posted by: Maria on Aug 9, 2005 4:11 AM   
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While I agree that cannabis should be legalised primarily because I believe that it should be a matter of personal choice, there is another side to this drug that I was surprised was not mentioned here. In the last few years, the phenomenon of cannabis psychosis has been well documented. It has produced a mini epidemic of emergency admissions to psychiatric hospitals here in the UK. It has been linked to a particular gene which influences the dopamine receptors in the brains of around 20 per cent of the population here. Repeated, heavy use of cannabis, particularly starting in teenage years, produces acute psychotic reactions which can lead to permanent schizophrenic like conditions in those who continue to use it after the first episode. I know from direct experience with my younger brother who has been ill for the last 14 years. Until there is a gene test freely available, smoking your first joint is like playing Russian Roulette with your sanity. My brother was taken away yet again the other day in restraints, screaming and ranting like the madman he has become. Is it worth it the transient pleasure? None of the children in our family think so. They have seen the pain and misery far too close up. I am all for freedom of choice but let's make it well informed choice.
For a more detailed assessment of current research, this article is excellent.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-1565337,00.html

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Why power-junkies (right or left) hate pot
Posted by: smarba on Aug 9, 2005 4:49 AM   
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For decades I was puzzled, since every serious study, including Nixon's Drug commission, which was stacked with conservatives, advocated decrim. But I found the answer: they are against pot because, basically, it tends to makes people smarter, more thoughtful. observant and creative. And their whole enterprise depends on fooling people.


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Some personal comments:
Posted by: OldRedleg2 on Aug 9, 2005 5:16 AM   
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I, too, have seen some of the effects of the dark side of cannabis, and that is why I disagree with a simple legalization of the drug, especially “just for personal use.” We have enough people driving/working/wandering around in one type of daze or another, whether from alcohol, legal “non-drowsy” drugs, or too much addiction to the cellular phone, for us to just foolishly add another in the form of THC. Besides, if it were legalized, I can see the huge major corporations (drug, alcohol, tobacco?) gaining control of the growth and distribution, and then vigorously push its great therapeutic value. Years from now, we would be fighting the same medical and legal battles about who is responsible for the huge expense for the care of those who believed the ads. No, I don’t have a link or studies to support this view, just some historical common sense.

My personal observations/experiences of heavy THC users gave me the impression that they became a bit paranoid about others, tended to become reclusive, and unfortunately, some decided to graduate to other, more “stimulating” drugs.

Some of the comments regarding the historical cultivation of marijuana are very misleading. Proponents of the legal growing of hemp would probably argue vociferously that hemp, a very useful fibrous plant material, has no real useful THC to continue to have it banned. I believe it continues to be banned mainly because too many people confuse it with marijuana, plus the fact that it resembles the weed so closely that powers-to-be believe they would have too much difficulty separating the two.

We will continue to fail on our war on "nouns" (or have they also been downgraded to "struggles?") as long as we continue to only focus on the effects and symptoms, and nearly completely ignore the causes. We are so used to seeing everything resolved in an hour of television that we are not patient enough to work for the real solutions.

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Come On people
Posted by: gtroyp on Aug 9, 2005 6:13 AM   
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Pot is illegal because without it the DEA would not be able to justify its existence. The idea of "protecting" us is ludicrous, the people sitting in jail for possession or who have paid enormous fines for "paraphernalia" probably don't feel protected. The violence associated with the dealing of the drug comes not from the drug but from the illegality of its sale.
There are plenty of orguments against putting another drug into the marketplace, but this is not a drug that is any way out of the marketplace. Marijuana's marketplace is just a little harder to find than 7-11. Now on the other hand, 7-11 has to check ID's and collect taxes which your local dealer will not do. Teenagers will tell you it is easier to get pot than beer, did I mention we were not
protecting" anybody?
It is high time (pardon the pun) that a real fight be made to end the insanity of prohibition (again). Keeping a product illegal that can be grown in a flower pot, in a ditch, or in an untended field is pointless. The United States is the only reason that this drug is illegal anywhere in the world. And, the rest of the world is deciding that even over our objections, and our promises to withhold monies, that it is not worth fighting pot. Our own prisons would have more room if we quit this stupid fight.
Everyone, and I believe every last person, knows that pot is not going to kill, maim, or ruin the life of anyone. We must stop caring if our politicians ever used it, if they argue for it's legalization, or if they toke up on camera. OK, we're a ways a way from that.
The time has come to stop bullshitting about medical marijuana and get right to the point. Marijuana should be legal, in every way, in every state, now. The fight is not to get high legally. The fight is to keep otherwise productive and peaceful people out of jail and the criminal justice system. Not to mention the dollars a monitored marketplace could PROVIDE to the government, instead of bleeding it dry.

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» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
Make better arguements
Posted by: FCAlive on Aug 9, 2005 6:24 AM   
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"Keep in mind, alcohol kills 50,000 people each year; tobacco kills 430,000 people each year. Marijuana has never killed anyone from an overdose in the history of mankind."

This is not a logical argument. Nobody ever overdosed on tobacco and very few dies directly from alcohol poisoning.

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The times article mentioned
Posted by: gtroyp on Aug 9, 2005 6:27 AM   
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The article mentioned above on "cannabis psychosis" has a detail in it that merits mentioning. This effect is brought on by early exposure to the drug. Adults do not have the same response, even if they have the same gene. Making the drug illegal increases the likelihood of teens getting the drug, not decreasing it. Like alcohol, tobacco and many many other things, marijuana should be available to adults, and only adults. Legalizing it makes that possible. Here's a working link to the article:
The Times article
and another with a different take
from a working paper in psychiatry.

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Finally, An Issue I Can Get Excited About!
Posted by: Iana_g on Aug 9, 2005 6:30 AM   
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While I agree that republicans can be nauseating on this issue, I also think that they are key in overturning the political stigma attached to the issue of marijuana. Intellectually honest republicans are on our side, but only if the discussion is kept in true federalist prospective.
From the beginning, marijuana was blamed for crime, cultural contamination, loss of good ol' American values and illegal immigration. As long as these issues are combined with marijuana, the same republicans that you call RINOs, along with the extreme religious right, oppose legalization when it comes to a vote.
Meanwhile, the republicans you love to hate (Clarence Thomas is an excellent example) will vote for states' rights and narrower government involvement and will rule against prohibition every time.
So called marijuana activists continue trying to back door legalization by talking about medical marijuana. It is ridiculous when most republicans want the government out of the healthcare industry all together. They should instead try to appeal to the broader issue, such as, why is a PLANT illegal?? Can an honest federalist/republican defend making a plant illegal? Especially when the government has only the flawed opinions driven by the New Deal to justify the drug war?
Is it possible that marijuana users are too afraid of losing a few planks in their overall platform to risk a true drive to free the weed?
If we are serious about legalizing marijuana, then we have to seek out intellectually honest republicans and frame the argument with words they understand; like federalism, self determination, original intent, death to the nanny state, etc...

It is true that one can be a federalist, if not a Randist or objectivist, and still enjoy a daily dose of Mary Jane. I do! And I see the current arguments for and against for what they are: Intellectual dishonesty.

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» Watch your back Posted by: Michiganman
» Yes, I'm paranoid, open forum Posted by: Michiganman
It is the WAR stupid!
Posted by: rnagisetty on Aug 9, 2005 6:34 AM   
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Drug wars are good for America. It allows it to interfere in other countries, put our spies and also soldiers there, to affect the politics in favor of the Corporations. Any success of War on Drugs is dangerous because we will not have reasons to attack other countries and make regime changes.

War is good and an unsuccessful war is better.

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» Sarcasm never hurt anybody Posted by: Michiganman
Herbs Are Not Drugs
Posted by: projectpeace on Aug 9, 2005 6:42 AM   
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You can make a drug out of an herb, but you can't make an herb out of a drug. Drugs don't produce seed. Prohibition is predictably more damaging to the integrity of our society than any drug because of the corrupting influence that the economics of prohibition have on the justice system, as plainly evidenced in this article. Anyone who has ever had a bad experience with drugs or prohibited herbs was living in conditions of imbalance created by the war on [some] drugs. Any legal jurisdiction over the "self-evident" right to use "every herb bearing seed" sets a dangerous precedent of extending government powers over our right to phytotherapeutics, eat healthy food, and retain our sovereign status as individuals. Cannabis has never been truly legal because it is a unique and essential food resource. The government may be able to force people to obey a bad "law" but that doesn't make violation of fundamental human rights legal. The Cannabis plant is so valuable as to be a critically determinate resource, without which it may not be possible for mankind to achieve sustainable existence. Cannabis is part of a complex Natural Order, upon which all species, and future generations depend for survival. It is far beyond the rightful authority of our species to impose scarcity of unique and essential resources, upon which other species also depend for their survival. The corruption of the black market that has existed for the past sixty-eight years in the U.S. has attained institutional legitimacy, but it doesn't mean it is either ethical, moral, or sustainable. Anything said by Bush, Walters, Tandy, Gonzales, or Ashcroft can be attributed to their chemically corrupted pharmaceutical, petroleum, chemical industrial economic interests. It's that simple. To pretend that they are other than criminally corrupted bureaucrats protecting the industries that they're vested in is naive at least, and very likely extinctionistic at worst.

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the real reason why marihuana is still illegal
Posted by: martinholsinger on Aug 9, 2005 6:45 AM   
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I think the real reason marihuana is still illegal is--BLACKMAIL. Those who campaign so vigorously against it are against open-mindedness in any form, and by heavily stigmatizing an herb favored by open-minded people, they can keep those people out of the political mainstream, This makes it easier for the closed-minded to maintain the control they so dearly love. Unfortunately for them (and all of us), humanity has come to a juncture in its history at which radical changes are needed, lest we lose the civilzation that, in spite of its drawbacks, we all enjoy so much. We very much need the more relaxed worldview that cannabis helps induce--the closed-minded control-freaks are steering us down the road to oblivion.

I agree with the post above in certain respects--I think our current exploitative, commercial distribution model is ill-suited for cannabis, which I believe requires a certain amount of instruction/initiation for proper use. I would like to see it legalized for personal use and distribution only, not for corporate exploitation.

I believe the psycho-medical objections raised above are best answered by a paradigm change in the way we view the mind in this culture. The current psychological model sees it as a passive organ that is easily disrupted and can only be mediated by administering medications. I think we need to adopt the Eastern model--the mind is like a muscle; it can be strengthened and developed through proper exercize of one's attention.

Meanwhile, keeping it illegal does a great disservice to those who do have difficulties that seem to result from marihuana use. I have observed a great many marihuana users over the last forty years, and I have never met anyone whose life became difficult after they started using marihuana, who did not have obvious psychological indicators. I think that here, too, we need to change the way we look at things . Psychological difficulty is not to be avoided--it is an opportunity for growth, and those whose encounter with their shadow side is lubricated by marihuana use need to be midwifed into their new self, not shut down with antipsychotics.

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It is exceptionally simple
Posted by: Twist on Aug 9, 2005 8:15 AM   
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The reason cannabis is illegal is because it is impossible for the government to regulate it any other way. If it were legal to grow in your back yard, there would be no way to stop anyone who wanted some to grow it, there would be no possible way to tax, or no way to keep it out of the hands of minors. To put it simply it is dangerous to all other drugs, pain medication, intoxicants, and other drug industries based on things like caffeine. Unlike all these other drugs no real amount of processing or dependence on mass product makes the drug any better; once you buy one seed you have a supply for life, there is also no need to import it like coffee beans, so commercially it is useless.

Regardless of my purist stance on the constitution, I can understand why the other justices of the Supreme Court see a regulation of the personal growth of cannabis as regulating interstate commerce. If cannabis were legal it would definitely have a vast and far reaching impact on the processed drug and intoxicant industry, not to mention the fiber and paper industry.

Now in a free society you would think that the government wouldn’t simply favor business over people’s rights and personal decisions, but I don't think we live in one of those anymore. In a free society you need a good reason to make something illegal, not simply because you favor one lifestyle over another.

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American self-centeredness
Posted by: Hefeweizen on Aug 9, 2005 8:22 AM   
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Unfortuantely, when people talk making weed legal, they also forget to use one very important argument in their defence: for quite a while weed has been legal in Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg. It is also decriminalized in Canada and, I think, Switzerland. All of these countries are well-developed democracies with low crime rate, great economy and high level of culture and education. Was there anything pot did to them that turned them into the ganglands, or places full of psychos, hard drug abusers, made them all retarted from all of a sudden and made people stop working or going to school??? No!!!!!!!!!! All of them are just regular members of the world community. Legalizing pot can actually help the government by reducing the amounts of money it has to spend on people in the overcrowded penetentiary facilities and cut the budget of the drug enforcement agencies in order to redirect it to more important programs like sexual assault prevention or educating the youth about the criminal laws.
What should be done is that pot should be legal as a medicinal plant and decriminalized for anyone else. In this case the ones that need it for medicinal purposes can get a quality product with their prescription, and the ones who like to use it for personal reasons would not have to go to jail. PLus that way the big corporations like tobacco firms won't be able to genetically modify it, make it more addictive (like they did it with cigarettes) and make money of selling people something that is used more for spiritual purposes rather than just to get a buzz. If you need a buzz, go get a bottle of whiskey or something!

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Amazing
Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 9, 2005 8:41 AM   
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We had a war on drugs & drugs won. The whole mess has corrupted our law enforcement & criminal justice system, diverted valuable law-enforcement resources from much more serious issues, hastened our conversion to a police state (now aided by the 'War on Terror'), and fueled gangs and drug thugs.

Just like Prohibition handed the highly profitable beer/wine/spirits business over to criminals, making them rich and funding their spread, the 'War on Drugs' has been a cash cow for gangs and other criminal elements. What a mess.

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» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
NO SMOKING PLEASE
Posted by: nietgal on Aug 9, 2005 8:47 AM   
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That cowboy that's running for governor of texas who smokes cigars right in your face. I wouldn't vote for him.

So please don't smoke or spit anything, including cannabis. Swallow it, patch it, rub it on you but PLEASE DON"T SMOKE OR SPIT IT. I don't want you to volunteer your medications to the general public.

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Grow your own
Posted by: churchofone on Aug 9, 2005 9:00 AM   
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It would be hard for corporations to gain control of the production of cannabis. It is very easily grown right in your own backyard, where the consumer can have control.

However, Big Pharma and the liquor interests certainly don't want any competition from pot. Might cut into their sales a bit!

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» RE: Grow your own Posted by: Iana_g
Another reason Marijuana is still illegal.
Posted by: billdake@sbcglobal.net on Aug 9, 2005 9:10 AM   
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Another reason Marijuana is still illegal.


I doubt that many of our elected officials care much about whether or not we consume marijuana, because the preponderance of evidence shows that it is relatively harmless. The concern is that people who smoke pot tend to be peace loving.

President Nixon wanted to nuke Vietnam and did not, because the anti-war activists had stirred up the populace and the war was becoming more unpopular daily. People were watching the war on TV and asking, why are we there, is it really worth all the lost lives or the misery of disabled Vietnam veterans? Nixon claimed that Marijuana was the drug of choice for these peaceniks. It was Nixon who wanted the War on Drugs and who threw the Presidential Commissions Report on Cannabis in the wastebasket, because he did not like their conclusions. The thirteen scientists found Marijuana to be the least harmful of intoxicating substances and that it seemed to be beneficial for many human ailment and the biggest harm was caused by the laws that punished users. Without Cannabis the War on Drugs is meaningless, because 20% of Americans consume pot and 4% would account for all the rest of the drugs put together and with pot out of the picture there is no reason for the War on Drugs. They called it the Gate Way Drug, to color it bad and there is some truth to that, because it is illegal and categorized as a useless drug in the company of all the others. People (kids) who have found out by experiment that pot is harmless, may try other drugs. This gate would not be open if not for prohibition, because pot is no more a gateway than mother’s milk (or even a bottle). It could be argued that Milk is a gateway, because it is the first food and all food comes after.

Arguably it could be said that pot saved us from an Atomic war and that if pot were the intoxicant of choice for the American people we would never go to war and perhaps if the world were to follow, we would evolve beyond war. Actually the evidence shows that if it were decriminalized, there would be less consumption, but the influence should be there especially if decriminalized worldwide. Unfortunately our industrial military complex is the power that rules and the hawks just say no to pot.

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"Is Our Government On Somethin'?"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 9, 2005 9:11 AM   
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It certainly did not hurt either Warren Baccus or Dan Burton jr. in their drug cases that they were both spawn of the Aristocracy. Poor Tommy Chong – in this case the "Martha Stewart" of weed – wasn't, and so he got the "showcase" sentencing. Ain't it grand how politicians love to pontificate and push people around, until it is their own that are involved?

Has anybody checked out the average alcohol consumption rate of Congress lately? Our president seems to be slurring his words more than in years past; is anybody watching him, like they are watching the sick and dying who use medical marijuana to ease their suffering? Have over-the-counter medications (or constrictive robes) dulled the senses of Supreme Court justices? After all, they seem incapable of understanding even plainly-written sections of our Constitution. In other words, who's watching the watchers?

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DEMAND CHANGE
Posted by: canuck on Aug 9, 2005 9:11 AM   
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When will the average American wake up and speak out against the war on drugs. When will your government stop manipulating sovereign nations into joining this war. When will addicts be treated like patients instead of criminals. It seems as though the answer to these questions is NEVER.

Currently, your government is asking my country - Canada - to extradite Marc Emery, a famous pot activist, because he sold pot seeds that went across the border. While this is a crime in both counties, Canada has not enforced this law in 20 years. I'm sure that my government will do the right thing and refuse, but it still makes me worry about how far your government will go in its efforts to win the war.

All i can say is that if you guys truely want to end the war then DEMAND CHANGE. That was all it took to get the ball rollin up here in Canada

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» RE: DEMAND CHANGE, if only Posted by: Michiganman
Cannabis the Law and Us
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2005 9:15 AM   
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Cannabis Hemp is the most studied and used plant in the last
5,000 years of written Human History. Some cultures use it from the cradel to the grave. The recent findings of 'Cannabis
Psychosis' is itself suspect. Owning to the fact that the very
symptomatology of the disease is also that of over exposure to mercury.The very stuff that's been raining down on us from coal burning for the last 175 years. Now factor in coal's
slimy cousin oil,burning also for more than 100 years. As the mercury contant risen over time, so did the amount we absorbed and the rates of neurological,circulatory,mental and
physical problem from fetal development,all through life. If
they ever owned up to the truth, the Class Action lawsuits that would result,would not only be right,but, would stunt the
government and squash industry. That's why they passed laws in 1933 to keep farm based multi-use produsts off the
market in favor of the ill-concieved abundance of a filthy
fuel.Now take into consideration that Hemp seed are second to soy in protien content,#1 in ALL 11 essential amino acids
our Human bodies need,and #1 in linoleiac and lenolitic
essential amino acids that REBUILD the Human IMMUNE SYSTEM. Healthy body,strong immune systems mean you
won't see the doctor much. The Women's Temperance League
got Judges to order drunken abusive men onto 'Hashish Therapy'. why? Stoner households have greatly reduced 'domestic violence' than drinker households.Potheads
are pacifists.in a war society like ours,Stoners are an anathma
to the ruling class's design.Hemp CAN give us cleaner air,
better clothes,paper, fuel and healthful foods. It's up to US to give it to ourselves. We are the Power,it's time to BE the Power.

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» RE: Cannabis the Law and Us Posted by: bambic
» RE: Cannabis the Law and Us Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» AGREE 10000% Posted by: Michiganman
Bambic
Posted by: bambic on Aug 9, 2005 9:29 AM   
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I recently spent 99 days in jail (Little Rock) while waiting to go to court on a probation revocation for the possession of a marijuana pipe.(I missed seeing my probation officer because I was in the hospital; the judge did not accept that as a valid excuse.) I was also given a $50,000 bond: the same amount set for a major cocaine trafficker and a woman with several meth labs---hence, 99 days.
Because I was using marijuana for the relief of pain in my back caused by two herniated discs, I must now take Hydrocodone, an addictive, lethal-if-you-overdose drug.
And who is reaping the financial benefits?
The pharmaceutical companies. When I am randomly drug tested, they'd rather find opiates in my urine than THC.
Just a thought...

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» PITIFULL, I'm With You Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: Bambic Posted by: gonzoskismet
Is there something we can do?
Posted by: Ahimsa on Aug 9, 2005 10:07 AM   
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Can, WE, the public, members of the "Cradle of Democracy and Freedom" demand objective, thorough scientific research on the real effects of Marijuana and the immediate release of its findings? Wouldn't that be a natural thing in a free society where we all share control of our destinies and our nation? I assume such research woud cost relatively pennies within the big scheme of things, and in exchange, it could have profound effects in our legal system and save soooooo much trouble for everyone. Am I on something to think like this?

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» BEEN DONE, Europe Posted by: Michiganman
» RE: Is there something we can do? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
government stats and rhetorical questions
Posted by: mt on Aug 9, 2005 10:08 AM   
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Table 1. Percentage of students reporting marijuana use, 2002–2003
Past Month Past Year Lifetime
Grade 2002 2003 2002 2003 2002 2003
8th grade 8.3 7.5 14.6 12.8 19.2 17.5
10th grade 17.8 17.0 30.3 28.2 38.7 36.4
12th grade 21.5 21.2 36.2 34.9 47.8 46.1

taken from www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov

Ok. Even the White House knows we aren't winning. 46%? What if every one of them was busted their first time? 46% of our youth would be in jail.

This law cannot be upheld any more. To do so is rediculous. Legalization is the only way. Take the dealer out of the picture. Have the youngster get carded. I don't know about anyone else, but in high school marijuana was very attainable more so than alcohol. Alcohol was really hard to get. It almost always involved a "cool parent" or family member to get alcohol.

This law should upset every parent. Whether you like it or not, your son or daughter has a 1 in 2 chance of trying marijuana. What if they were put in jail for that? Rape still happens in "juvie." I hear horror stories about it.

Your 12 or 13 year old could be around a 17 year old violent offender.

The only things wrong with cannabis are the laws!

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Prison is BIG business
Posted by: harpy on Aug 9, 2005 12:01 PM   
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A point most seem to be missing. Prison is big business. All those private building contractors, prison administration, sheriffs, deputies, police departments, etc., are all thriving because pot is illegal. Just look in most newspapers and see how many new prisons are being built in every state. Federal and state level. My son recently served four years and is still on parole for having eight ounces of marijuana. Meanwhile, two people who helped murder an old fish-bait seller got less than two years. Another man I know got eighteen months for manslaughter, a gun crime. People who run prisons would much rather have the more docile pot smoker behind bars than somebody they might have to actually have problems with. As long as they can keep people believing that marijuana will make you crazy and violent, they can keep scaring people to death.

Another point, look at who benefits by keeping marijuana illegal. Drug companies and liquor companies. They put a lot of money into lawmakers' pockets to make sure they have no competition.

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» RE: Prison is BIG business Posted by: mrsmagoo
Recommended reading...
Posted by: taiwanjohn on Aug 9, 2005 12:07 PM   
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The Economist did a brilliant and comprehensive "survey" of the whole war-on-drugs issue a few years ago. You can read it here. Be sure to follow the links in the upper-right side-bar... there are a total of 8 or 9 articles in the survey.

There's also a rather longer treatment of all "consensual crimes" in general, which can be read online for free. It's called Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do by Peter McWilliams.

Good stuff!

--jrd

PS: Hmm... I can't get that last link to end... the system is not recognizing the </a> tag... Whatever...

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» RE: ecommended reading... Posted by: Iana_g
Another Reason Pot is Illegal
Posted by: JoeEbola on Aug 9, 2005 12:14 PM   
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Another industry I don't believe anyone mentioned here: pharmaceuticals. You know how rich the drug companies are in this country. You know they lobby like mofos to keep and increase their power (no drugs from Canada, we can't be sure they're "safe" my achin' arse). Since pot plants can't be grown with "Pfizer" or "Ely Lilly" written on the side, these companies will continue to demonize it. Besides the proven effects for cancer, AIDS and parkinsons patients, think about the general "calming, relaxing, mellowing" effects. How many drugs for anxiety are there already out there? If pot were legalized, a lot of these drugs would become redundant. As always in this country, it's more about the money than what's good for the people.

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