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The cancer-surviving cyclist ended his career with a record seventh straight Tour De France victory. Immediately the accolades rolled in, and he has earned every dollop with an athletic tenacity and compelling personal story that's touched the lives of millions.
But one piece of praise seemed to stand out like Judge John Roberts in Harlem. This was gushed from a guy who has taken a few spills from his Schwinn in recent weeks: President George W. Bush.
"Lance is an incredible inspiration to people from all walks of life, and he has lifted the spirits of those who face life's challenges," Bush said about the fellow Texan and "old friend.†"He is a true champion."
The praise struck an odd note considering Armstrong's comments after winning his seventh yellow jersey. They weren't about the Alps, the cobbled Paris streets, or the new bell on his handlebars. They were about Iraq.
"The biggest downside to a war in Iraq is what you could do with that money," Armstrong said through gritted teeth. "What does a war in Iraq cost a week? A billion? Maybe a billion a day? The budget for the National Cancer Institute is four billion. That has to change. Polls say people are much more afraid of cancer than of a plane flying into their house or a bomb or any other form of terrorism."
His timing was fortuitous. A report came out of the Congressional Budget Office the next day that indicated the war in Iraq will cost more -- adjusted for 2005 dollars -- than any war since the Second World War, with a price tag that may near 800 billion dollars.
Armstrong's statement is significant because it represents a sharp turn from his previous statements against the Iraq invasion. When the war was launched out in 2003, Lance's soft anti-war views sounded more James Baker than Ella Baker:
"I know George Bush well, having met him about 20 times, and I support him, but going ahead with this war without the support of Europe would be dangerous ... it would be a mistake to engage in war without the backing of the United Nations and Europe," he said. "If there's going to be a war then we'll be up against a billion Muslims -- so it would be unreasonable for the United States to go it alone against such a huge part of the world."
Armstrong took great pains at the time to compliment Bush with every statement, saying that Dubya sometimes appeared "brash," but that he was "more intelligent than people give him credit for." He added, "Bush isn't a banker from New York, or a tycoon from California. He's a cowboy from Texas."
In 2004, Armstrong's anxiety about the war was rising, perhaps affected by the French protests during that year's Tour. But despite his stronger objections, Armstrong still reserved praise for his "friend" in the Oval Office. "I don't like what the war has done to our country, to our economy," he said. "My kids will be paying for this war for some time to come. George Bush is a friend of mine and just as I say it to you, I'd say to him, 'Mr. President, I'm not sure this war was such a good idea', and the good thing about him is he could take that."
Now in 2005, Armstrong has taken a much harder stance. This could be attributed to possible aspirations for political office. Armstrong in a recent interview laid out his views on a number of issues, describing himself as "against mixing up state and Church, not keen on guns, pro women's right to choose. And very anti war in Iraq," -- which may lead some of us to wonder exactly what political party in our glorious duopoly would even allow him to stand as a candidate.
Some say that he is simply under the sway of his rock star partner Sheryl Crow -- of "War is Not the Answer" t-shirts and the group Musicians Win Without War.
But the real reason for Armstrong's recent statements most likely stems from simple frustration. Armstrong sees his life's work, cancer funding and research, being undercut by this war. He takes this position even though it could lose him his Oval Office access. He speaks out "on foreign soil" even though it could mean derision when he returns.
He will assuredly face words such as those from one internet blogger who wrote "Lance Armstrong should be detained the moment he steps back on American soil, and then he should have a bicycle tire pump shoved so far up his ass that he whistles Dixie when he breathes."
If the cancer that spread to his lungs and abdomen, not to mention the Pyrenees, didn't deter Armstrong, a pustule armed with a laptop and fried cheese probably won't keep him up nights. Especially when the priorities of medical research or "generational war" hang in the balance.
Armstrong has devoted countless hours to the fight against cancer. There is not more money for cancer research because of the war. It's that simple.
It's also not just cancer. In my hometown of Washington, DC, this $800 billion price tag means high rates of infant mortality, shuttered public hospitals, and schools in a constant and eternal state of crisis.
This is a battle for priorities. If Lance wants to see victory, chuckling it up with his "fellow Texan" is no way to lead this movement forward. Instead, Armstrong should ride among the critical mass bikers and anti-war couriers at the national anti-war protests on September 24th in Washington, DC.
Consider this an invite, Lance. Consider this a way to continue to "live strong."
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 27, 2005 3:51 AM
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 27, 2005 5:17 AM
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Comments like that force me to conclude that Lance is HALF NUTS, not always pedaling with a FULL SAC. But then he says something like:
“What does a war in Iraq cost a week? A billion? Maybe a billion a day? The budget for the National Cancer Institute is four billion. That has to change.”,
and I realize that this American icon at times can be ON THE BALL.
I know, you’re horrified at my insensitivity.
Actually, the reason for my sarcasm is that I resent America taking credit for someone who just happens to be American (Americans have never given a crap about bicycling or the Tour de Freedo…er, France before). Why just this one time do we not hear the gallophobic guffaws of the superpatriots?
And I am irritated at America (but not Armstrong) for not crediting the pharmaceutical and medical communities for their successes but never missing an opportunity to demonize both of them for their very real failings.
Collectively, Americans just aren’t very fair, but we are very vain and self-aggrandizing. So, it tarnishes Mr. Armstrong’s achievements for me, and I opt to offset all of the overblown idolatry with some of my own cynical iconoclasm.
Plus, I think that it’s funny. Except to people that are too serious, too jingoistic or overly committed to propriety. If I made you laugh, you’re welcome. If I pissed you off, that’s your problem. I think that Mr. Armstrong would laugh.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jul 27, 2005 6:25 AM
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I often think about how all that money could be used. How many Unocal's could the government buy with it? Heaven forbid what a disgusting act of socialism that would be to many but it would solve any worries of national security posed by China buying Unocal. The purchase would be a small percentage of the money spent so far on this Iraq debacle. And once Unocal was purchased by the goverment all the poor and middle class workers they employ could be given a huge raise and the overall cost would still be a small fraction of funds being siphoned off for Iraq. This is just one of the latest things I have thought about the money wasted in Iraq.
Here's an article about expenditures in Iraq. It is a real disgusting example of how poorly things are going.
Where's the money? =
I'm glad Armstrong does not approve of this folly and I hope he will use his notoriety to help make americans think about what a waste this has all been.
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Posted by: mark on Jul 27, 2005 6:53 AM
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And that's the bottom line, cuz Mark Wierzbicki said so
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Posted by: artonarts@centurytel.net on Jul 27, 2005 7:16 AM
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Now he has a tragedy "cancer" (a worldly king he selfishly worships) so do many people, and many others have recovered too but he is going to ride that cancer to hell and back more than 7 wins? Does this make you an authority on anything above a bicyle , he should be so intelligent to be aware of the fact the only reason Bushit talks to him is because it's good PR for Bushit! No other reason!
Armstrong should attend a factual peace rally, listen to the realities of the cause of this war, gain a disturbing knowledge of the criminals in our government, any while he's at it try and "prove" the lies Bushit et al tell the world every minute of the day! Armstrong supports terror, torture, war crimes, mass killing of civilians of a soverign country, depleted uranium, cluster bombs, massive modern air attacks of a pre-emptive nature on innocent people, killing indiscriminately over 100,000 Iraqis, and a future they predict more of the same!
WOW Armstrong you're a "jerk" to say it plainly, really you are no "hero", you should be locked up upon re-entry into your self-condemned homeland and charged with the war crimes, treason, obstructing the constitution, etc. etc. along with your "buddy-shit" name dropper BUSHIT.
Bicyling? An accredited sport? Maybe some day that could happen to checkers or marbles too? Armstrong would participate in those too at his intelligence level? With 7 years of marbles you could go up to be a man, maybe?
Bushit doesn't have the brains of a retarded baboon, and his demeanor is abhorrably repulsive to anyone with a mental reasoning power over 5 years old. He would shock a sound average 5 year old child and that's why you never see him near an innocent child. Such a situation would repulse is violent character.
My best suggestion for these folks from Texas and their fellow believers is to arrest them and send them to Guatonamo with the end results they hopefully apply to others already there!
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Posted by: brs04wsc on Jul 27, 2005 8:16 AM
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This is the whiniest bunch of crap I've heard in a bit. Do we wonder why the right makes us out to be whiny? Lance has stood tall and said what he thinks in unequivicol terms - but that's not enough. He needs to PERSONALLY denounce Bush, ya know, to fully court our approval. Ever think that maybe his words against the war, for seperation of C&S, for a woman's right, etc. carry more weight when he does it civilly? Yeah, I despise Bush too. But I think this idea that our leaders on the left had better preach loud to the choir is a bit insufferable. We don't need to be convinced - the average moderate person does - and we need to convince people with the facts of WHY Bush is wrong. Lance is doing that. To say that he also needs to make ad homenim attacks on Bush to be in our good graces is a little look into why we're losing elections.
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Posted by: turil on Jul 27, 2005 8:55 AM
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I'm always surprised that Lance, a fellow cyclist, who's been seriously injured by dangerous motorists several times, doesn't seem interested in bringing the issue more attention than it usually sees. Certainly cancer is an important health issue, as well, but why can't Lance promote both cancer prevention and safer roadways?
Imagine what even a couple billion dollars could do if it was put towards better driver's ed (for cyclists as well), better enforcement of traffic laws, and good transportation options for people who aren't capable of driving a motor vehicle?
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Hey Lance, aren't you troubled at all by the carnage, death, and maiming the war has caused? People die from more things than cancer.
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Posted by: davidt on Jul 27, 2005 10:57 AM
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He has a friend in the White House. Maybe.
Who out there thinks that Duhh thinks about him past a photo-op, if you do there is a bridge in Brooklyn...
I cannot believe how some folks who READ Alternet can be so sadistic in thinking of a marvelous athlete who, by force of his ability and home state is a natural teat for Duhh to milk whenever it suits his purposes.
Duhh ain't no COWBOY he is a phony, dry-drunk who, by more than one source I have read, is maintained precariously, by prescription meds. Still he is prone to bouts of wandering and incoherence during which he really doesn't know where or who he is, these "seizures" don't last long but they have alarmed all of his staff--hence the brevity and scarcity of his appearances it front of the camera.
This could also justify the banishment that Helen Thomas received when she asked a probing follow-up question that was not on the rehearsal list that Duhh carries around with him at all times.
This could also explain part of his obliviousness on 9/11 in that Florida elementary school.
Lance has enough to carry around with him for the rest of his life, the Big C doesn't leave many standing, without armchair bicyclists prescribing how he should act as an American ombudsman.
Can any of you out there that are passing judgement on him swear to having the same resilience facing what he has faced in his life? If you can check for wings the next time you look in the mirror.
Give him some time and I think he will do and say what it in his heart, and it will be the right thing. Look at what he has done so FAR!
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Posted by: nakis on Jul 27, 2005 11:44 AM
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Lance, a great guy. I don't know about his personality but his perseverance and guts are to be admired. Just not so much his thoughts on a certain criminal that recently hails from Texas and war.
I admire Armstrong but to say that the biggest downside to the war in Iraq is the cost in dollars is incredibly pathetic. Sorry. But it is. It is sound reasoning to begrudge billions spent on profiteering and murder instead of helping the social net but to state that it's the biggest crime of this war is pathetic.
800 billion? Another underestimate. Payed for by the US taxpayer.
And to state that going to war against a billions Muslims is only sound if you have enough people to back you up makes the previous statement sound good. WWIII is acceptable only if you can make sure you win. Dead people? Who cares. Starvation, disease, torture, immorality, theft, and all the good things of war are OK as long as you can make sure you win. Makes you think that he's pro-nuke as long as we win.
And as 42 years says, Bush is no freaking cowboy. He's the farthest thing from the working class you can find that doesn't have the name Hilton.
All the power to him if he opposes the war. All the power to him for fighting for a cure for cancer. Admirable goals. If the only reason for these is personal, financial and because he didn't think we prepared enough to win a war then I can't really think that much of the man.
I think he's a hell of a person to have done so much in his life. But his morals and logic outside of cycling leaves much to be desired. Sorry. I have great difficulty looking up to anyone who thinks like that.
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Posted by: duck-lady on Jul 27, 2005 1:54 PM
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Lance Armstrong is an excellent cyclist but there is no reason to put him up on a progressive pedastal and worship at his feet. Politically, he doesn't owe "us" anything. He happens to be against the war in Iraq--well join the hundreds of millions of the rest of us.
As for the "George Bush is a cowboy" comment, please do your homework. Dubya was born into a family of privilege in New Haven, Connecticut and went to Yale for chrissakes. Even Laura teases him about his complete uselessness on the ranch (tried to milk a male horse- har har har).
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Posted by: hlt on Jul 27, 2005 2:43 PM
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I for one, and I trust many, hope that that this man whose fight against cancer and energy to succeed will now focus upon the more dangerous cancer inside of our nation, the president and his idealogues.
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Posted by: siegestate on Jul 27, 2005 2:46 PM
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What he said is that it is the loss of potential of what could have been.
The same could be said of the lost lives and lost limbs...the regretful part is the loss of potential.
Don't fall prey to the cynicism that our enemies are so good at. The man (Lance) is making a valid political statement that will resonate outside of this echo chamber.
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Posted by: Austinite on Jul 27, 2005 7:13 PM
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I did not have any idea who Lance Armstrong was till the day he announced at the age of 25, that he'd been diagnosed with testicular cancer that had metastasized and that he was determined to race again. Most of us who heard the news that day simply hoped he'd survive.
The chemo wasted his strong body away to nothing, but in 1999, less than three years later, he won his first Tour de France. Our entire city turned out to celebrate. Bush was governor at the time and acting like Mr. Bipartisan when he welcomed Lance at the Governor's Mansion, and Bush is very good at the hail-fellow-well-met routine. Lance is also friends with the Democrat who was then mayor of Austin, Kirk Watson, a fellow testicular-cancer survivor.
Hard as it is for you to understand, the vast majority of people do not make up their minds about who they like or dislike, who they trust or don't trust, based on politics. They make up their minds by how well they're treated. Try it some time.
Lance is a guy raised by a single mom in a trailer park who trained full-time as a professional or aspiring-professional athlete from the time he was a teenager till he won his record-shattering seventh tour. Sorry you missed it.
Along the way, he's been figuring things out for himself, and it hasn't hurt that he's spent much of the past decade living and training in Europe. He just retired at the top of his game to be able to spend more time with his kids, so maybe he's feeling more free to speak his mind than ever before. Good for him.
Thanks to those of you who have spoken up for Lance here. As for the rest of you, go join the other side for all the good you're doing.
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Posted by: turil on Jul 30, 2005 1:58 PM
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A peaceful death, or end, is fine, bot mostly I want a peaceful life. Given that, I see no good reason for adding pain and suffering to the world. I cannot have a peaceful life, if I am not peaceful myself. That is why I, and many others, refuse to promote violence for any reason.
Perhaps you want a violent life? I can see how some people may enjoy the thrill of violence. But that's not me.
I agree with you that some fire can be life giving and useful, but an out of control fire that is violent and harmful can only be stopped by eliminating it's fuel (by quenching it with water, with controlled burns that remove flamable material, or other calming means). Fueling violence is just like fueling fire, it only makes the fire stronger.
As for anger, I completely agree that feeling anger is quite heathy in response to injustice, but acting out in anger in a violent, harmful, hateful way only adds more violence, harm, and hate to the world. Using that anger for productive action, on the other hand, allows that anger to be expressed (not repressed!) in a healthy way that makes the world a better place. You certainly don't have to make art with your excess energy, you can do volunteer work, host community building events, grow a garden for the benefit of displaced wildlife, climb to the top of a mountain and yell "I wish the world was free of pain and suffering!" or whatever it is that you think would improve yourself and your world.
By the way, what do you wish for the world? Once, you know what you want, start with yourself, and be the hero who inspires others!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 27, 2005 3:51 AM
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 27, 2005 5:17 AM
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Comments like that force me to conclude that Lance is HALF NUTS, not always pedaling with a FULL SAC. But then he says something like:
“What does a war in Iraq cost a week? A billion? Maybe a billion a day? The budget for the National Cancer Institute is four billion. That has to change.”,
and I realize that this American icon at times can be ON THE BALL.
I know, you’re horrified at my insensitivity.
Actually, the reason for my sarcasm is that I resent America taking credit for someone who just happens to be American (Americans have never given a crap about bicycling or the Tour de Freedo…er, France before). Why just this one time do we not hear the gallophobic guffaws of the superpatriots?
And I am irritated at America (but not Armstrong) for not crediting the pharmaceutical and medical communities for their successes but never missing an opportunity to demonize both of them for their very real failings.
Collectively, Americans just aren’t very fair, but we are very vain and self-aggrandizing. So, it tarnishes Mr. Armstrong’s achievements for me, and I opt to offset all of the overblown idolatry with some of my own cynical iconoclasm.
Plus, I think that it’s funny. Except to people that are too serious, too jingoistic or overly committed to propriety. If I made you laugh, you’re welcome. If I pissed you off, that’s your problem. I think that Mr. Armstrong would laugh.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jul 27, 2005 6:25 AM
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I often think about how all that money could be used. How many Unocal's could the government buy with it? Heaven forbid what a disgusting act of socialism that would be to many but it would solve any worries of national security posed by China buying Unocal. The purchase would be a small percentage of the money spent so far on this Iraq debacle. And once Unocal was purchased by the goverment all the poor and middle class workers they employ could be given a huge raise and the overall cost would still be a small fraction of funds being siphoned off for Iraq. This is just one of the latest things I have thought about the money wasted in Iraq.
Here's an article about expenditures in Iraq. It is a real disgusting example of how poorly things are going.
Where's the money? =
I'm glad Armstrong does not approve of this folly and I hope he will use his notoriety to help make americans think about what a waste this has all been.
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Posted by: mark on Jul 27, 2005 6:53 AM
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Posted by: artonarts@centurytel.net on Jul 27, 2005 7:16 AM
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Now he has a tragedy "cancer" (a worldly king he selfishly worships) so do many people, and many others have recovered too but he is going to ride that cancer to hell and back more than 7 wins? Does this make you an authority on anything above a bicyle , he should be so intelligent to be aware of the fact the only reason Bushit talks to him is because it's good PR for Bushit! No other reason!
Armstrong should attend a factual peace rally, listen to the realities of the cause of this war, gain a disturbing knowledge of the criminals in our government, any while he's at it try and "prove" the lies Bushit et al tell the world every minute of the day! Armstrong supports terror, torture, war crimes, mass killing of civilians of a soverign country, depleted uranium, cluster bombs, massive modern air attacks of a pre-emptive nature on innocent people, killing indiscriminately over 100,000 Iraqis, and a future they predict more of the same!
WOW Armstrong you're a "jerk" to say it plainly, really you are no "hero", you should be locked up upon re-entry into your self-condemned homeland and charged with the war crimes, treason, obstructing the constitution, etc. etc. along with your "buddy-shit" name dropper BUSHIT.
Bicyling? An accredited sport? Maybe some day that could happen to checkers or marbles too? Armstrong would participate in those too at his intelligence level? With 7 years of marbles you could go up to be a man, maybe?
Bushit doesn't have the brains of a retarded baboon, and his demeanor is abhorrably repulsive to anyone with a mental reasoning power over 5 years old. He would shock a sound average 5 year old child and that's why you never see him near an innocent child. Such a situation would repulse is violent character.
My best suggestion for these folks from Texas and their fellow believers is to arrest them and send them to Guatonamo with the end results they hopefully apply to others already there!
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Posted by: brs04wsc on Jul 27, 2005 8:16 AM
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This is the whiniest bunch of crap I've heard in a bit. Do we wonder why the right makes us out to be whiny? Lance has stood tall and said what he thinks in unequivicol terms - but that's not enough. He needs to PERSONALLY denounce Bush, ya know, to fully court our approval. Ever think that maybe his words against the war, for seperation of C&S, for a woman's right, etc. carry more weight when he does it civilly? Yeah, I despise Bush too. But I think this idea that our leaders on the left had better preach loud to the choir is a bit insufferable. We don't need to be convinced - the average moderate person does - and we need to convince people with the facts of WHY Bush is wrong. Lance is doing that. To say that he also needs to make ad homenim attacks on Bush to be in our good graces is a little look into why we're losing elections.
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Posted by: turil on Jul 27, 2005 8:55 AM
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I'm always surprised that Lance, a fellow cyclist, who's been seriously injured by dangerous motorists several times, doesn't seem interested in bringing the issue more attention than it usually sees. Certainly cancer is an important health issue, as well, but why can't Lance promote both cancer prevention and safer roadways?
Imagine what even a couple billion dollars could do if it was put towards better driver's ed (for cyclists as well), better enforcement of traffic laws, and good transportation options for people who aren't capable of driving a motor vehicle?
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Posted by: 42Years on Jul 27, 2005 10:37 AM
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Posted by: RudiTuzla on Jul 27, 2005 10:55 AM
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Hey Lance, aren't you troubled at all by the carnage, death, and maiming the war has caused? People die from more things than cancer.
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Posted by: davidt on Jul 27, 2005 10:57 AM
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He has a friend in the White House. Maybe.
Who out there thinks that Duhh thinks about him past a photo-op, if you do there is a bridge in Brooklyn...
I cannot believe how some folks who READ Alternet can be so sadistic in thinking of a marvelous athlete who, by force of his ability and home state is a natural teat for Duhh to milk whenever it suits his purposes.
Duhh ain't no COWBOY he is a phony, dry-drunk who, by more than one source I have read, is maintained precariously, by prescription meds. Still he is prone to bouts of wandering and incoherence during which he really doesn't know where or who he is, these "seizures" don't last long but they have alarmed all of his staff--hence the brevity and scarcity of his appearances it front of the camera.
This could also justify the banishment that Helen Thomas received when she asked a probing follow-up question that was not on the rehearsal list that Duhh carries around with him at all times.
This could also explain part of his obliviousness on 9/11 in that Florida elementary school.
Lance has enough to carry around with him for the rest of his life, the Big C doesn't leave many standing, without armchair bicyclists prescribing how he should act as an American ombudsman.
Can any of you out there that are passing judgement on him swear to having the same resilience facing what he has faced in his life? If you can check for wings the next time you look in the mirror.
Give him some time and I think he will do and say what it in his heart, and it will be the right thing. Look at what he has done so FAR!
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Posted by: nakis on Jul 27, 2005 11:44 AM
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Lance, a great guy. I don't know about his personality but his perseverance and guts are to be admired. Just not so much his thoughts on a certain criminal that recently hails from Texas and war.
I admire Armstrong but to say that the biggest downside to the war in Iraq is the cost in dollars is incredibly pathetic. Sorry. But it is. It is sound reasoning to begrudge billions spent on profiteering and murder instead of helping the social net but to state that it's the biggest crime of this war is pathetic.
800 billion? Another underestimate. Payed for by the US taxpayer.
And to state that going to war against a billions Muslims is only sound if you have enough people to back you up makes the previous statement sound good. WWIII is acceptable only if you can make sure you win. Dead people? Who cares. Starvation, disease, torture, immorality, theft, and all the good things of war are OK as long as you can make sure you win. Makes you think that he's pro-nuke as long as we win.
And as 42 years says, Bush is no freaking cowboy. He's the farthest thing from the working class you can find that doesn't have the name Hilton.
All the power to him if he opposes the war. All the power to him for fighting for a cure for cancer. Admirable goals. If the only reason for these is personal, financial and because he didn't think we prepared enough to win a war then I can't really think that much of the man.
I think he's a hell of a person to have done so much in his life. But his morals and logic outside of cycling leaves much to be desired. Sorry. I have great difficulty looking up to anyone who thinks like that.
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Posted by: duck-lady on Jul 27, 2005 1:54 PM
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Lance Armstrong is an excellent cyclist but there is no reason to put him up on a progressive pedastal and worship at his feet. Politically, he doesn't owe "us" anything. He happens to be against the war in Iraq--well join the hundreds of millions of the rest of us.
As for the "George Bush is a cowboy" comment, please do your homework. Dubya was born into a family of privilege in New Haven, Connecticut and went to Yale for chrissakes. Even Laura teases him about his complete uselessness on the ranch (tried to milk a male horse- har har har).
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Posted by: hlt on Jul 27, 2005 2:43 PM
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I for one, and I trust many, hope that that this man whose fight against cancer and energy to succeed will now focus upon the more dangerous cancer inside of our nation, the president and his idealogues.
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Posted by: siegestate on Jul 27, 2005 2:46 PM
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What he said is that it is the loss of potential of what could have been.
The same could be said of the lost lives and lost limbs...the regretful part is the loss of potential.
Don't fall prey to the cynicism that our enemies are so good at. The man (Lance) is making a valid political statement that will resonate outside of this echo chamber.
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Posted by: Austinite on Jul 27, 2005 7:13 PM
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I did not have any idea who Lance Armstrong was till the day he announced at the age of 25, that he'd been diagnosed with testicular cancer that had metastasized and that he was determined to race again. Most of us who heard the news that day simply hoped he'd survive.
The chemo wasted his strong body away to nothing, but in 1999, less than three years later, he won his first Tour de France. Our entire city turned out to celebrate. Bush was governor at the time and acting like Mr. Bipartisan when he welcomed Lance at the Governor's Mansion, and Bush is very good at the hail-fellow-well-met routine. Lance is also friends with the Democrat who was then mayor of Austin, Kirk Watson, a fellow testicular-cancer survivor.
Hard as it is for you to understand, the vast majority of people do not make up their minds about who they like or dislike, who they trust or don't trust, based on politics. They make up their minds by how well they're treated. Try it some time.
Lance is a guy raised by a single mom in a trailer park who trained full-time as a professional or aspiring-professional athlete from the time he was a teenager till he won his record-shattering seventh tour. Sorry you missed it.
Along the way, he's been figuring things out for himself, and it hasn't hurt that he's spent much of the past decade living and training in Europe. He just retired at the top of his game to be able to spend more time with his kids, so maybe he's feeling more free to speak his mind than ever before. Good for him.
Thanks to those of you who have spoken up for Lance here. As for the rest of you, go join the other side for all the good you're doing.
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Posted by: turil on Jul 30, 2005 1:58 PM
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A peaceful death, or end, is fine, bot mostly I want a peaceful life. Given that, I see no good reason for adding pain and suffering to the world. I cannot have a peaceful life, if I am not peaceful myself. That is why I, and many others, refuse to promote violence for any reason.
Perhaps you want a violent life? I can see how some people may enjoy the thrill of violence. But that's not me.
I agree with you that some fire can be life giving and useful, but an out of control fire that is violent and harmful can only be stopped by eliminating it's fuel (by quenching it with water, with controlled burns that remove flamable material, or other calming means). Fueling violence is just like fueling fire, it only makes the fire stronger.
As for anger, I completely agree that feeling anger is quite heathy in response to injustice, but acting out in anger in a violent, harmful, hateful way only adds more violence, harm, and hate to the world. Using that anger for productive action, on the other hand, allows that anger to be expressed (not repressed!) in a healthy way that makes the world a better place. You certainly don't have to make art with your excess energy, you can do volunteer work, host community building events, grow a garden for the benefit of displaced wildlife, climb to the top of a mountain and yell "I wish the world was free of pain and suffering!" or whatever it is that you think would improve yourself and your world.
By the way, what do you wish for the world? Once, you know what you want, start with yourself, and be the hero who inspires others!
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