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The Religious Left Fights Back

By Van Jones, AlterNet. Posted July 28, 2005.


The last time U.S. progressives won, people of faith were at the center of the movement -- not stuck in its closet.
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Rabbi Michael Lerner is stirring up trouble again -- thank God.

Earlier this week, Lerner was the main organizer of a national gathering in Berkeley, California, for the religious Left. His "Spiritual Activism" conference was intended to help launch a much-needed new initiative: the Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP).

Lerner has been the spark-plug for many progressive, faith-based undertakings over the years, including Tikkun magazine. But this latest effort is an order of magnitude more challenging than anything he has attempted thus far. And given the stakes for our ailing would-be democracy, the birthing of NSP may prove to be his most important calling.

Lerner wants to help forge a new alliance of "religious, secular and spiritual, but not religious, progressives." This alliance will someday expose and challenge the cancer of American consumerism. And it will oppose the religious Right's abuse of scripture to promote war, intolerance and ugly corporate agendas.

By itself, those two goals would warrant full-throated support from all progressives. But don't be surprised if the good rabbi's efforts also draw some serious "boos" from many parts of the Left, as well. That's because Lerner's bravest and hardest work is aimed much closer to home.

He wants to do more than just minister to the mall-lobotomized masses or give the fundamentalists a well-deserved spanking. He also wants to challenge the Left's chronic and toxic bias against religious feeling, expression and people.

Lerner hopes to end "religio-phobia among progressives." And such efforts will not be welcome among a great many rabidly secular progressives.

As for me, I will be praying for the Rabbi's success. I am an African-American Christian who was raised in the American heartland. When I moved to the cosmopolitan coasts of Connecticut, and later California, I ran headlong into shocking levels of anti-religious bigotry among progressives.

I literally have had liberals laugh in my face when I told them I was a Christian. For awhile, I felt self-conscious about telling other activists that I preferred not to meet on Sunday mornings, because I wanted to go to church.

It is still commonplace to hear so-called radicals stereotyping all religious people as stupid dupes -- and spitting out the word "Christian" as if it were an insult or the name of a disease. I thought progressives were supposed to be the standard-bearers of tolerance and inclusion.

I certainly know the monstrous crimes that have been committed through the ages in the name of religion, or with the blessings of religious people. But I know a few other things about religion, too.

I grew up in the Black churches of the rural south, listening to the stories of my elders. As children, we heard about the good, brave people who had poured their blood out upon the ground so that we could be free. We learned how police officers had clubbed and jailed them. We learned how Klansmen had shot and lynched them. And how the G-men from Washington had just stood by and doodled in their notepads.

We learned of marches and mayhem, freedom songs and funerals. We saw images of billy-clubbed Black women on their hands and knees, searching for their teeth on Mississippi sidewalks -- crawling while still clutching their little American flags. We felt pity for the children who spent long nights in frigid jail cells, wearing clothing soaked by fire-hoses, while their bones -- broken and untended -- began to mend at odd angles.

We saw pictures of Black men, like our fathers, hanging by their necks -- their faces twisted, their bodies rigid, their clothes burned off -- along with their skin. And we saw photos of carefree killers, sauntering home out of Alabama courtrooms -- their faces white and sneering and proud.

We learned how the very best of humanity had faced off with the very worst of humanity -- each circling the other under the same summer sun. That epic struggle had elevated southern back roads and backwaters onto the Great World Stage. And the fate of a people -- along with the destiny of a nation -- hung in the balance, for all to see.

In the end, we children cheered, for the righteous did prevail. More than that, they performed one of the great miracles in human history: They transformed American apartheid into a fledgling democracy, tender and delicate and new.

All progressives today proudly celebrate that achievement -- and rightly so. But one key fact seems to escape the notice of today's activist crowd. The champions of the civil rights struggle didn't come marching out of shopping centers in South. Or libraries. Or high school gymnasiums.

To face the attack dogs, to face the fire-hoses, to face the billy-clubs, these heroes and she-roes came marching boldly out of church-houses. And they were singing church songs. They set an example of courage and sacrifice that will endure for the ages. And as they did it, they prayed on wooden pews in the name of a Nazarene carpenter named Jesus.


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Attorney Van Jones is the national executive director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in Oakland, California.

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agitator of church and state
Posted by: eileen_flmng on Jul 28, 2005 3:54 AM   
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I too attended TIKKUN's [Hebrew for mend, heal, and transform the world] first annual gathering of Spiritual Progressive, along with 1,300 other USA citizens from all faiths and those who are spiritual but not religous.
Our diverse community all agree that the time has arrived to be instruments of change and to base our society and institutions on the higher ground of love, compassion, caring, cooperation, non-violence, peace, ethical and ecological sensitivity for we honor the sacredness of every person and Mother Earth.

As a committed Christian who abhors the rot and hypocricy in the Church institution and is not represented by the likes of Falwell and Dobson, I was greatly encouraged to learn that during Pentecost week, 2005, Father Matthew Fox nailed a new 95 theses, A New Reformation, to the same church door Martin Luther had nailed his to 500 years before. As Father Fox says; "The church today needs not only a reformation but a transformation."

Robert Inchausti's wrote in his book; Orthodoxy, Outlaws, Revolutionaries and Other Christians in Disguise;
"To change the world we must become receptacles of God's love, understanding and goodwill. We must have faith, not merely of the mind, but of the heart that surrenders the whole man to the divine inflow...moral action links personal salvation directly to social responsibility."

Over 1,300 American citizens have now returned to their communities, churches, temples, mosques and ashrams and the revolution and transformation has already begun. The times they have a changed, the answers are blowing in the wind, may American's all wake up and catch the breeze and be transformed.
-eileen fleming
www.olivetreesfoundation.org

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food for thought
Posted by: paulb on Jul 28, 2005 4:06 AM   
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I too am a christian who is a 45 year old white male who could not agree with this more.The bible teaches that we should believe with or hearts and minds.That is why I did not ever consider a vote for Bush.His actions are totally opposite of what he says his beliefs are.I live in detroit and have marched in NAAPC marches as a rep. of labor unions for we all seek the same things, and the people I met from the local churches were great! It is time that we do pull people of left together that believe and counter the hate from the extreme right.I feel the lack of tolerance that is displayed does nothing but divide.As a American,a christian and a Marine Corp vet this is totally unacceptable!

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Editor, Tikkun
Posted by: RabbiLerner on Jul 28, 2005 4:49 AM   
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For those who wish to support the creation of a Network of Spiritual Progressives, please go to the website www.Tikkun.org and read the material. You can join on line or contact simone@tikkun.org for more information.

The next national conference will take place in Washington, D.C. Feb. 10-13, 2006. And our book outlining a Spiritual Covenant with America--a guideline to what progressive spiritual politics would look like in practice--will be published by HarperSanFrancisco in January, 2006: it is called The Left Hand of God.

The Spiritual Covenant could give the Democrats and the Greens a coherent and spiritually sensitive platform that could do for them what Republican Newt Gingrich's Contract with America did for Republicans in the 1994 election, giving them enough coherence to win control of Congress if they were to seriously adopt it. In fact, although the Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP) is not an electoral effort, people who join it are forming caucuses of Spiritual Democrats and Spiritual Greens to try to get those parties to do what Van Jones is talking about--reconnecting with their deepest spiritual values.

And this is the real secret power of the NSP--it acknowledges that many people on the Left ALREADY have deep spiritual aspiriations, and many have their own spiritual practices (both in traditional religious communities and in alternative forms including meditation, yoga, pagan and WICA, and in poetry, art, and music) but do not have in the Left a supportive environment to articulate that spirituality and to connect it to a progressive political agenda. That's why the NSP could become not only a force for transforming American politics but also a force for making liberal and progressive social change movements more sustainable--by helping people within them inte Spiritual but not religious" people welcome as well as religious people.

--Rabbi Michael Lerner
chair. The Tikkun Community (sponsor of the Network of Spiritual Progressives)

P.S. our two national co-chairs: Cornel West author of Race Matters and Sister Joan Chittister, former chair of Religious Women United

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intolerance of the non-believer
Posted by: ann on Jul 28, 2005 4:58 AM   
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i myself am not a believer in any religion. however i believe deeply in the currents from which our religious beliefs spring. i do not go to services to worship, but i love the beauty that is the true heart of all worship. this said, i am in total agreement with the observation of lefty intolerance. it is a difficult quandry, set at the intersection of reason and emotion. it is as equally stupid for reason to snub emotion as it is for emotion to snub reason. and for those who denigrate the religious person for being somehow deficient of reason, they should be reminded that the great intellectual debates of philosophy and science have their roots in religions and in the efforts to find meaning.

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Progressive People of Faith
Posted by: ekinney on Jul 28, 2005 5:45 AM   
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As a liberal who has come back to Christianity because I see no other way for me, I applaud your wonderful article and message. Your voice and that of colleagues like Rabbi Lerner need to be heard even louder. Thanks.

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May a Moderate speak
Posted by: bookwoman on Jul 28, 2005 6:21 AM   
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There are many Christians who are not Liberals; we are, however, moderates, and we feel that we are also being dragged down by the tirades of the Christian Right. My denomination even has the distinction of being proclaimed "the spawn of the devil" by Pat Robertson.

From his narrative, I think that Mr. Jones and I are about the same age, give or take a few years. When secular liberals (we have many where I live) question my beliefs, I fight back with a distain and sacasm. I point out that I don't care that they aren't religious; why should they care that I am. Religion may be the opiate of the masses, but I ask what the nonbelievers are smoking. I wonder why Mr. Jones doesn't do that. If you believe in it, fight for it. I think one of the reasons the media thinks all spiritually based people are on the right is that we, in the middle and the left, don't thump our chests and holler about it. Our religion is precious to us and, like all precious things, we hold it to us. Perhaps its time we became more vocal. Rabbi Lerner is not the first moderate to liberal clergyman to speak out. I have heard a couple of evangelical preachers who were embarassed by some of the dialogue from their churches. Reverend John Danforth, a man who knows the inside of a moderate church as well as the inside of Congress and the U.N., has spoken out. Perhaps Rabbi Lerner and Reverend Danforth and other moderate clergypeople should begin a dialogue and lead the spiritual moderates to a place where we will stop hiding our light under a bushel.

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great faiths? leaping lizzards.
Posted by: parise on Jul 28, 2005 7:02 AM   
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the problem with incorporating spirituality into political thinking is that, whenever most people do, they are really talking about the god of the "great faiths" and what they really want is tolerance towards their religion to the point of that religions laws being everyones laws.

unfortunately that god happens to be intolerant himself which could be part of the problem don't you think. thou shalt have none other gods before me and all that other stuff like dominion over the earth and serving your husband.

i don't understand how the one god religions can be tolerant with out being hypocritical and i don't understand how they can pick and chose through their holy book. on the other hand, as a pagan, it's hard to be tolerant of people who think your going to hell, although i do try.

it will be a great day when all people's spirituality is respected and no one religion tries to dominate all the rest.

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Deeply Suspicious
Posted by: karyse on Jul 28, 2005 7:19 AM   
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I would love to see the religious, in particular the christian religious, ignore the fact that their One Big Guy in the Sky cares only about thier souls and nothing whatever about the material circumstance of their existence.

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The voice of the Christian Left is out there.
Posted by: chipmunk220 on Jul 28, 2005 7:27 AM   
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I read the article and my heart sprang up with happiness because what you write is what I've experienced in my own quest to write a Christian blog from the Left. I, too was upset by those on the hard left who scorn all who are religious as weak-minded. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in March of 2002. When Jesus became the "love of my life" I took to heart his words in Matthew 25:
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
NIV
I attended a Move-on.org rally a few months ago, and there was an open mike. When I got up and spoke about God, and how all Christians were not like the hateful bigots that we see in Dobson and Falwell and Robertson and Bennedict XVI, I was afraid of the response I would get. But I got a kind response from the crowd, and several kind comments afterwards. If we, as "Lefty Christians" can make ourselves as known and as visible as those on the hard right, then we can change the stereotype that they have about Christians, and they will stop speaking the word Christian with that hateful sneer that the author of the above article spoke of. As a Christian, it is my heartfelt belief that I owe it to Jesus Christ to make sure he is represented with the face of the loving and forgiving and caring God of Love by his followers. My blog if anyone is interested:
http://journals.aol.com/dmorey6160/TruthfromaLeftyChristian/

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A little bit more encouragement
Posted by: EternalStudent on Jul 28, 2005 7:43 AM   
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As a graduate student it was difficult for me to "come-out" to my liberal-intellectual colleagues that I am considering going into seminary after I complete my current degree. They all clearly thought I was joining the ranks of James Dobson and his cohorts.

I know a lot of my professors and fellow students have seen religion and academia as something that cannot mix together. However, I feel as though a life in ministry is an excellent mix to satisfy my goals in life to be a teacher, social activist and a minster.

I have also read Jim Wallis' God's Politics and found it very inspiring, in addition to the fact that it is a national bestseller. It is extremely empowering to see this budding movement of the "Religious Left" and I truly hope that we can all work together to prove to the world (the Right, Left and middle) that there are those of us with progressive views that are inspired by their faith!

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Just Leave Me Out of It
Posted by: patvic1405 on Jul 28, 2005 8:16 AM   
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I don't care what others believe as long as they keep their bibles, quorans, torahs, whatever, out of my face. That seems to be the whole problem - your god gene gets inflammed by all the rhetoric so you think that you have all the answers (and everyone else who believes differently is wrong) and so you have to force it on all the heathens who otherwise will go to hell (why do you care? MYOB). This ferver often involves firearms and many people dying. Well, guess what, I'd prefer hell where I don't have to listen to a bunch of folks blatting about how religious they are. Practice it, don't preach it.

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Awesome
Posted by: mviscid on Jul 28, 2005 8:40 AM   
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I'd just like to applaud the article and all like-minded progressives who sincerely desire change in our country.

I find the bitter comments to this article utterly unnecessary and totally revealing. If y'all can't be tolerant of people of faith who wish to do good, then YOU are also part of The Problem.

Personally, I'm not dogmatic, but still consider myself spiritual. I was raised Catholic but didn't feel it was right for me. I grew up in the "Bible Belt" and was told plenty of times I would burn in hell, etc. To me, people who write off all religious people are no better than those who wrote me off because I wasn't saved. People, use your head AND heart! "They" want us to fight among ourselves, "they" want us divided and weak. Hurray for keeping our minds open and avoiding knee-jerk reactionism!

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Robertson hates me - I must be doing something right
Posted by: annadams95340 on Jul 28, 2005 8:45 AM   
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I just finished "The Sins of the Scripture" by Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong. Amazing. I have been saying for years to anyone who would listen that anyone with a preconceived belief can find at least one Bible verse to support it. I think the belief comes first, the Bible just reinforces. The Reverend Dr. Spong has written a great book saying the same thing.

President Bush and I belong to the same "mainstream" denomination (United Methodist). Maybe he just isn't listening. I live in a small, fairly conservative city and my church has just begun allowing a new PFLAG chapter to meet at the church. We feed the homeless. Our doors are open to all. Our co-pastors (husband and wife) speak and write about hate and bigotry constantly. We reach out to the community with no strings attached. I had all but abandoned the organized church until I discovered the Methodists. We're not perfect, but we sure are trying. Pat Robertson is sure we and the Presbyterians are doomed - I wonder what our Methodist President and Presbyterian Dr. Frist think about that.

There many Christian churches like mine; we just need to speak up a little more. And, the Rabbi is right; we should never forget the evil done in the name of Religion (not just Christianity) or the good done in the name of spirituality. Christianity at its best has much in common with other religions (Buddhism, Judaism, etc.) and, for that matter, no religion at all. We need to find our common ground and stop wasting time bashing each other. We have too many better things to do.

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A Pagan Progressive
Posted by: Bekki on Jul 28, 2005 8:46 AM   
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Thanks for posting this article, and for the comments.

I grew up in a household where spiritual and religious values were integrally linked to politics and social action. My father and later my mother were Lutheran ministers who were fully participant in progressive politics, starting with the civil rights movement and continuing to the present. While I have great respect for the religions of the Book-- which at heart are firmly placed in a mystical and compassionate worldview-- I myself follow a different spiritual path, rooted in Mother Earth. As one who spends much time networking between these paths-- my parents and I have an active and open dialog about our spiritual similarities and differences, and I have many friends who follow a variety of faiths-- I think it is important to understand that progressives of all faiths stand on common ground: a belief in the essential dignity of all others we share the planet with, and each being's right to a life of happiness, peace and freedom. We are all aware that any person who so wishes can distort a belief system for his or her own agenda. This is not limited to religion, either-- scientists do it also. As my husband, an anthropologist whose parents were doctors, likes to say, "Science can also be a religion!" The greatest religious thinkers in human history were often rigorous in self-examination, and not purveyers of dogma. I think if we look deeply into our hearts and pull out the best that is within, we find ample guidance for right action, politically and otherwise. This means also not closing ourselves off to people of other faith traditions-- whether of the Book, or of Earth-centered traditions. As a Pagan, I hear regularly of the political and social actions being taken by other Pagans, by Native Americans, and by other religious minorities, who despite much prejudice are very vocally following their conscience in a spirit-led way. I would like to see much more dialog between all of these faiths, as well as those who consider themselves atheists or agnostics.

Remember too that many people who hate or fear religion have been very badly used and misused in the name of religion, and try to excercise compassion. Those of us who have been fortunate to know "God" in a positive way have much to be grateful for. What must it be like to never have had that gift?

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People of Faith should have more tolerance
Posted by: texshelters on Jul 28, 2005 9:00 AM   
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Dear Left, Right, Center and non-alligned people of faith,

You all should get off your high horse about God and start being true Chirstians. I would not exclude Christians, Muslins, Jews, Atheist, Buddhists, Taoists or others from joining me in a just cause. Why do so many of you make it a litmus test either overt of covertly.

Love each other and help the planet.

Peace.

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Conservative Christians represent the anti-Christ
Posted by: billdake@sbcglobal.net on Jul 28, 2005 9:00 AM   
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Christ is a Liberal who said "render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasars and to God the things that are Gods" (seperation of Church and State). Jesus told us to "do unto others as we would have them do unto us" and "what you do to the least of my breathern, therefore you do unto me". Cold heartet Christian Conservatives should read the Gospels of Christ and apply Christ's teachiongs to their life, instead of searching the Bible to spin off whatever works for them. The only part of the New Testament that is verifiable are the 4 Gospels.

It does not prove that Jesus was the Son of God, but it does prove His existance and whether He is God or not the teachings (Gospels) of Jesus Chirst are what being a Christian is all about.

The acts of this Administration supporting the welfare of corporations and the rich while neglecting the poor, attacking the middle Class on Social Security, education, unions, wages and incarcerating everyone possible in an ongoing effort to degrade the middle class to the ranks of the poor are the works of the anti-Christ.

These phoney Chrtistians are OK with War and feel that we are on a mission from God to bring on Armageddon. Of course this is probably not a universal thought running though the minds of all Christian Conservatives, but it is there. It would be a shame if World War III would be fought over our God vs their God and in reality there is no God. If there actually is a God, it is equally stupid to drive to war, because our God and theirs would be the same God with a different name.

When Militant Muslims advocate killing infidels they put an evil face on God. Why would anyone want to worship an evil God? It is the same with Christian Conservatives, why worship a God who advocates sticking it to the poor and making war?

Being a Christians means doing as Christ and that is to love oneanother and that means everyone. People who call themselves Christians need to rethink their Conservative agenda and remember that when you are being taught contrary to the 4 Gospels you are listening to the anti-Christ.

Bottomn line is, the decent religious or non-religious citizens of this country should attack ongoingly these Conservative Christians every chance we get, until they loose their so called moral high ground and are seen as the phonies that they are.

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General comment
Posted by: Danyboy on Jul 28, 2005 9:06 AM   
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I will branch off on a few of the comments and the article. I am a strong believer of tolerance. To put myself in context, I don't consider myself a "believer", but I was raised a catholic and am very open to discussing other faiths, etc., etc.

I do agree that spiritual needs to be very broad, including tolerance, especially if you would want to incoporate it into a political agenda.

One thing that often bothers me is how some religions are closed up, their tolerance being limited to sometimes respecting others, but they will either go to hell, or I am right; this sometimes create social seperations between beliefs that I find disadvantageous. But I sail with it.

I am also a fan of liberation theology (la theologia de la liberacion). I have studied it somewhat and find it a great concept. Unfortunately, its image has been soiled by false reperesentations of the movement as well as being attacked, on a religious (by its own people as well as other branches of catholicism) and political (military included).

Yes, I do believe that tolerence is a first important step.

Gay marriage is an example in my opinion. Christianity is heavily integrated in several state laws. Understanding that allowing gay marriage to be part of the law represent a level of tolerance towards other beliefs is important, simply by the fact that it confers rights to them which are lacking in most places. It also a represents a seperation between church and religion, however can still include spiritualism simply though.

Thats sort of how I see it, for now anyway.

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Faith and Politics
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jul 28, 2005 9:19 AM   
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Faith is good to have.It teaches one respect for the Creation and all that is.It is the foundation of sound logic and usefull
wisdom.Religion,however, serves as an instrument of seperation,condemnation, and egotistical gods-manship for the purpose of income generation. That's why Politics and Religion don't mix,they're both after your money. Why should Politics mix with Faith? Think of it this way;
FAITH.......War is wrong,and killing to.
Religion......Wars are supported by 'God'
FAITH......No production that's poisoning every living thing.
Religion....Man has Dominion over the Earth
FAITH.....Generousity is the epitomy of Human Charactor
Religion....Money for your sins is good enough to 'get in'
FAITH.....Life IS Eternal and the Creator accepts ALL
Religion...." God we're unworthy"
In short my little brothers and sisters,Keep the Faith.There's no guilt,no seperations and no-one to be 'Damned to Hell'.

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Amen!
Posted by: Krotos on Jul 28, 2005 9:34 AM   
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Thank you, Mr. Jones, for that very insightful article about a serious problem in the progressive movement. As a Christian in the Hicksite Quaker tradition, a political liberal, and a research scientist who fully accepts that life evolved and that the Earth and Universe are billions of years old, I too have been disappointed by the kneejerk anti-religious bigotry I often see on the Left. A lot of liberals, sadly, seem to be too cynical or intellectually lazy to recognize that "Christian" and "raving, Bible-thumping wingnut who wants to force his religion on everyone else and return society to the Middle Ages" are not synonymous. I welcome Rabbi Lerner's new organization for religious progressives and I hope that it helps to dispel this stereotype.

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Christianity vs. Followers of Jesus
Posted by: beetruetoyou on Jul 28, 2005 9:50 AM   
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FINALLY! the wheels are beginning to turn to fight the sickening stench the religious right has called Christianity. As a Christian I now prefer to call myself a follower of Jesus so as not to be associated with the term that is turning so many people away from God. Why do these folks only speak of their faith in terms of judgment, hatred, exclusion, power, wealth, the "Gospel of Greed" as Jim Wallis has called it and never speak of the truly radical message of Jesus....remember?... love, mercy, forgiveness, generosity, compassion, being with the outcasts of society, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and on and on? Do they forget Jesus' answer to the rich man when he asked how he could be saved? "Sell all you have and give to the poor." What about the verse that says it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle?

The only good thing that can come out of this is that I am having to practice forgiveness every hour of every day toward these people, a practice that does not seem to be getting much easier but I guess that's why I'm still practicing. So here I go, I'll use the words Jesus said on the cross as he was being crucified..."God, forgive them for they know not what they do." Or do they? In addition, hopefully the message of the true gospel will get out.

Keep up the good work Rabbi Lerner. Hope to see you in DC. By the way, could your wife be the lovely Harriet? If so, I love her books.

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» I hear you Posted by: Olympiada
Progressives are Liberals
Posted by: jrbrett on Jul 28, 2005 10:04 AM   
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Van Jones is a good clear thinker and I take only one exception to his writing. Progressivism is a form of Liberalism. Is Van afraid of saying the L-word?

Jim Brett
http://americanliberalism.org

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Us versus Them
Posted by: hhartman on Jul 28, 2005 10:31 AM   
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I think that I am beginning to realize why the right is winning. Everything is black or white, or us versus them. In this case Conservative Christian versus Everyone else. My understanding of the Rabbi is to unite and not divide. I think that is an excellent proposition. For many of us "liberals" we have bought into their rhetoric of either your with us or against us. I also think that they have narrowly defined what it means to be a religous or spiritual person, and I am sure that the majority of people out their don't qualify for their definition of it. I tryly believe that the only way we can change things is to unite and not divide ourselves, especially along their narrow definition. I think that many liberals/progressives/moderates don't feel that they can identify themselves along the spiritual/religous lines because of the narrow definition we have now. In order to make change, we are all going to have to band together, and remind the American public that life doesn't operate on an either/or basis, We are complex individuals. We are more than religous/not religous, red/blue, moral/immoral, right/left, etc...

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I'm pretty intolerant
Posted by: Justwayne on Jul 28, 2005 11:12 AM   
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It's the premise. Mary became pregnant; not because she fooled around, you must understand, but because she was visited bt the Holy Spirit. Believe Mary's story and you'll live forever. Sure.
Some years later books were written, apparently by folks who made an awfully good living off Mary's story. Folks have been making an awfully good living off her story ever since.

The Bible tells people to think like sheep think. If the Creator wanted people to think like sheep, in my opinion, She would have given us the brain of a sheep. We are equipped, however, with a wonderful thinking tool. It might be a good idea to use our brains to think, instead of to believe a preposterous story. If more of us do that, we may eventually find out why we're here. Finding out why we're here may very well be the designated first step in our species' journey. Organized religion, in my opinion, has been holding us back for millennia. We can do better.

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usgrant1846@yahoo.com
Posted by: JB39 on Jul 28, 2005 11:49 AM   
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As a hardcore leftist/liberal/Wobbly/Christian, to both Rabbi Lerner and Mr. Jones I say a heartfelt Amen! And again, Amen! And let us remind those misguided people in our government who love violence and power that: "He glories not in the strength of the horse."

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I'm conflicted
Posted by: drmeow on Jul 28, 2005 12:49 PM   
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I have a lot of conflicts with this whole issue. As a former Catholic (raised by a Catholic mother and “secular humanist” father), I’ve experienced the hypocrisy of the church first hand while also seeing that both religious (my mother and brother) and non-religious (my father and sister) people can have strong moral and ethical beliefs and values that include most (maybe all) of the fundamental tenets of Christ’s teachings. I would never laugh at a liberal/progressive activist who said s/he was Christian (maybe because I saw it in my Mom every day of my life), in my mind, such a person is a “good” or “true” Christian (in the sense of Christians being people who follow the teachings of Christ - NOT necessarily the doctrine of a church if that doctrine contradicts Christ’s teachings). By the same token, I get very tired of the message (mostly from the “not-very-moral” leaders of the religious right but also from others) that people who are not “Christian” are not moral or ethical. JC (and Christianity) does not, nor ever had, a monopoly on morality.

I believe that it is fundamentally wrong to base laws and political action on religion. Laws should be based on creating and sustaining a safe and moral society. If you sat down with OPEN-MINDED representatives of most “religious” groups (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Agnostics, Atheists, Humanists, Hindus, Buddhists, and all the others that I’ve missed) and discussed fundamental morals, I suspect you would find a great deal of consensus. People who do not have any morals and do not care about other people and whose lives are characterized by the exploitation and misuse/abuse of others are not “non-religious” - they are Psychopaths (many of whom, GWB included, claim to be religious). To me it should be possible to create laws and a society based on those mutually agreed upon morals without the invocation of “God” or “Christianity.”

By the same token, I recognize that religion, in particular Christianity, resonates tremendously in our country and culture. While I don’t like the fact that “God” has to be brought into the progressive movement (and I think our Founding Fathers would consider this experiment they started a failure because it does), I recognize that we will never succeed without it.

So, I’m conflicted.

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» RE: I'm conflicted Posted by: kittynboi
revealing bitter comments
Posted by: jlh on Jul 28, 2005 1:49 PM   
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The values of the enlightenment are to a great degree Christian values; and I have no idea if the thought that, say, murder is wrong would resonate in nearly the same way without that history. And I sympathize deeply with the writers who speak of the role of religion in social justice. I even wish I could be a person who felt that way, deeply and truly.

I had to ask myself, after reading the note about all the bitter notes being revealing, what was being revealed? About myself and the other people who wrote? I think for me its just: righteousness is a great foundation for monstrous moral blindness, and the perfect excuse for not thinking things through. There are people who are profoundly religous without being righteous, but not very many, and they ususally are happy to have the righteous ones on board. Once in awhile, perhaps in the south of the sixties, there were attitudes so entrenched and untouchable that righteousness was an appropriate and powerful part of the response. But I don't think it matters if you are right or left in the long term, the feeling of righteous zealotry is a drug that is killing us. I think that religion succeeds socially, in most contexts, because its a delivery mechanism for that drug, which makes people dumber (an outcome we can ill afford).

My other big bitter concern is simply the idea that Christianity requires belief in things which, to the best of my ability to see and understand the world, are terrible lies. This is not true of Judiasm or many others -- there isn't necessarily an afterlife, just a practice in some form that informs the soul -- but as I was introduced to religion, you sit there and somebody tells you what is true and its, so near as anyone with eyes ears and a nose can tell, not true at all, just a big lie that needs more lies to defend itself. There's Flannery O'Conner type grace in believing it anyway, but as a foundation for anything large and social, lies seem like a bad bad place to start anything but pathology.

Finally, this whole thing seems like a bit of a straw person. We see the evangelicals getting credit for "religion" and think, hey, we have truly and deeply religious lefties, why can't the public see that and appreciate it? The nation is in the grip of something really, really terrible. For reasons I can't articulate well, this doesn't feel like something which can touch the current process.

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Let's Hear It For The Religious Left
Posted by: fvjoanne on Jul 28, 2005 2:18 PM   
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I have long contended that was wrong the religious Right had a monopoly on what is moral and right, when in actuality it is the opposite. They look on those of us who fight for social rights and causes as not being moral. Those of us who are progressive and religious have got to our message across to the country. We can not allow the Religious Right and those who cater to them determine what is right for everyone when in fact they stiffle many of the rights that have long fought for.

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» Pointed Posted by: turil
» Nevermind... Posted by: turil
The Christian Alliance for Progress
Posted by: apodapa on Jul 28, 2005 4:15 PM   
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It ain't Falwell's kind of movement. Check it out.

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Tikkun will arouse my interest, if you are able to get...
Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 28, 2005 8:24 PM   
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...a blessing from Minister Farakhan of the Nation of Islam. If not, then you are just preaching to 'the choir.'

So long as folks just toss around words ('Spiritual' but not 'religious'? Only the Twelve Step movement makes that distinction, so far as I know. And for them, it means private [as in Anonymous] rather than public. It seems the last thing Tikkun is about is doing good anonymously.) it's called 'mystification,' which is only a step or two away from superstition (the belief that words are magic).

I doubt that I will join in the Million More March, because I oppose the Nation of Islam's plea for reparations for the descendents of slaves. And that's a key core value for Farakhan. Yet I wish him well.

I cannot possibly communicate, however, how much I, a privileged white man, need to join with black, Latino, and others of goodwill (recall Kant's affirmation that the one thing always good is goodwill) in programs focused on social justice.

Anyone who can put those together will have my active support and gratitude.

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rchmnd
Posted by: rchmnd on Jul 28, 2005 8:41 PM   
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Not all Christians who consider themselve progressive may necessarily agree with all aspects of the progressive platform. For example my personal conviction is anti- abortion, although I am not in favor of legislating my beliefs. I understand that each person needs to take their personal stand according to their own conviction. To make a long term alliance with the Christians (and others) of all denominations and convictions, we need to get past the attitude of "all or nothing" that pervails in progressive politics today. There are many conservative Christians who are firm believers in the necessity to provide for the poor, protect our God given environment and seek justice for all those that are wronged. To insist that they agree with the pro-choice movement or the pro- gay marriage agenda is perhaps too much to ask. For the most part, conservative Christians are a loving community that I believe will bond with progressives on issue specific problems- just don't ask them to sign up for the whole agenda.

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» RE: rchmnd Posted by: drmeow
The Church must look itself in the mirror first!
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