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If the argument--one I heard more than once from D.C. barflies--sounds strange, it is not, at any rate, rare. When New York City was mulling its own smoking ban, one young "man on the street" interviewee told the Village Voice: "I'd actually be all for it, which is odd since I am a smoker myself. I think it might make me smoke less. The increase in the cost of a pack of cigarettes hasn't stopped me from smoking. I just have friends who come up to visit from Florida bring cartons for me."
If we ignore for a moment the morality of endorsing a public restriction as a means to a personal self-help project, this is in one sense a perfectly ordinary thought. We are all, sometimes, afflicted with akrasia, those attacks of weak will that lead us to satisfy fleeting desires at the expense of our own acknowledged long-term interests.
Like Ulysses lashed to the mast, we empty the pantry of sweets, hire pricey personal trainers, join rehab groups, or loudly announce an intention to start working on that novel, knowing how embarrassed we'll feel if there's no progress to report when a friend asks how it's coming. Markets duly respond to our demand for self-restraint: Virgin Mobile recently introduced an anti-drunk dialing feature that allows users embarking on a pub crawl to block themselves from calling up that ex until the following morning.
There may even be ways for government to help us combat akrasia without overly restricting our freedoms. In his recent book The Ethics of Identity, philosopher Kwame Anthony Appiah offers (as a thought experiment more than a serious policy proposal) the example of the "self management card." When we go shopping for smokes or fatty foods or alcohol or a dose of heroin, Appiah imagines, the store is required to swipe our cards to ensure we haven't gone over a self-imposed limit, set by logging on to a special website set up for that purpose. An actual card of that sort would, of course, be a privacy nightmare, but it shows that attempts to help people make sound decisions need not be paternalistic.
Normal and necessary as these akrasia-countering mechanisms may be, though, they may also be symptoms of what Nobel laureate economist James Buchanan has dubbed "parentalism." Buchanan's term is not to be confused with paternalism, the familiar idea that sometimes people--other people--need to be restrained for their own protection from making poor choices. (In some cases, as with children or the severely mentally handicapped, this may well be right.) Parentalism is in a sense more insidious: It emerges when we begin to suspect that we ourselves are not competent to make our own choices, to yearn for someone to relieve us of the burden of choice. As Buchanan puts it:
[Economists and political theorists] have assumed that, other things being equal, persons want to be at liberty to make their own choices, to be free from coercion by others, including indirect coercion through means of persuasion. They have failed to emphasize sufficiently, and to examine the implications of, the fact that liberty carries with it responsibility. And it seems evident that many persons do not want to shoulder the final responsibility for their own actions..[They] want to be told what to do and when to do it; they seek order rather than uncertainty, and order comes at an opportunity cost they seem willing to bear.The thought is not novel to Buchanan. Jean-Paul Sartre described the "anguish" that comes with our realization that we are "condemned to be free." Marxist psychologist Erich Fromm diagnosed the totalitarian movements of the 20th century as symptoms of an urge to "escape from freedom," from the displacement of a feudal world in which identities were given--a place for everyone, and everyone in his place--with a capitalist order that made who we were and what we were to become seem dizzyingly contingent.
How much more true is that when the lodestones by which we navigated that sea of choices--religious communities, or localities with their own longstanding mores--are themselves objects of choice on the market, in an increasingly interconnected and mobile world that arrays communities and faiths before us like so many cans of soup on a Whole Foods shelf.
Contemporary theorists of choice paralysis sometimes talk as though the problem with abundant freedom of choice were merely that the cognitive demands of navigating modern markets' plenitude are uncomfortably high. Yet if that were so, then adaptive mechanisms to filter our choices--and, as described above, winnow out some of the tempting but destructive ones--would be the simple solution.
For the true parentalist, though, this will be unsatisfying, for the true parentalist wants to escape not just the burdens of the act of choosing, but the responsibility for making a poor choice. Voluntary market mechanisms for filtering or restraining choice will always, ultimately, have an escape clause: We can fire the personal trainer or tell our friends we've changed our minds about that diet or quitting smoking after all. And, in the final analysis, they allow us only to defer responsibility, not avoid it. The expert I consulted may have given me bad advice, yet I may still blame myself for a poor choice of experts.
There are plenty of practical problems with the parentalist impulse. As economist Glen Whitman notes in a forthcoming Cato Institute paper, we cannot assume we always help people by giving preference to their "long term" over their "short term" interests. Imagine an aging man in ill-health lamenting his sybaritic youth. We are tempted to say that his younger self, seeing the pleasures immediately available to him and giving short shrift to their long term consequences, exhibited a foolish bias toward the present. But surely it's also possible that his older self, faced with the proximate pains and inconveniences of poor health, discounts the pleasures past he'd have forsaken had he been more health-conscious. If we're prone to the first form of cognitive bias, why not the second?
Whitman also argues that, just as simple Pigovian taxes on pollution may be less efficient than allowing market negotiation to determine how much pollution will be produced in what location, sin taxes, smoking bans, and other parentalist attempts to spare our future selves the costs of our present choices may displace a rich variety of mechanisms for self-restraint that would match the rich variety of risk profiles and time-discount rates we find among members of a pluralistic society.
And as the young man interviewed by the Village Voice demonstrated, we can be ingenious at outwitting imposed restraints--even those we welcome in principle. We may find ourselves running up bigger credit card bills to buy more sin-taxed Twinkies and cigarettes, or traveling inconvenient distances to find a smoke friendly bar.
But perhaps a more important problem with parentalism is that it licenses what Sartre called "bad faith," the attempt to avoid the burdens of responsibility by denying our own freedom. Classical liberals may even inadvertently encourage this by speaking of responsibility as "the other side" of freedom, as though it were the spinach that had to be cleared away before getting to desert. But is that really so?
When we make trivial choices--what to have for dinner, what movie to see, which CD to buy--what we most value is the freedom to select without constraint from many options. Yet when it comes to our most central choices--what kind of person am I to be, what work will I find rewarding?--we may take as least as much satisfaction in the feeling of responsibility for our choices, in knowing that we have shaped a life that is ours even when we have chosen badly.
Classical liberals have become good at explaining how the market order they favor promotes freedom and happiness. They have been less adept at explaining why--at least past a certain point--people ought to want that freedom, which when genuine is always at least a little frightening. In the face of the parentalist impulse, we may need to develop the case that our bad choices, the choices that make us unhappy, are as vital and precious as the ones that bring us joy.
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Posted by: jakrabit on Jul 23, 2005 7:58 AM
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I shuddered at the sight of a stadium full of people who accepted the most outlandish of statements as if they were the word of God. This half hour political sermon was followed by a 30 second scene where an actor portraying Jesus told his flock that if they wanted to become closer to God they had to "act as children". My mind registered the link between these two pieces, but I could not put a word to it. Then I read this article.
The mention of akrasia as a means of self control put a name to the phenomenon we are now witnessing - the upsurge of the religious right. Where better a place to hand over control of your choices than in the bosom of religious belief? What comfort we can receive in relinquishing our responsibility to a father figure rather than have to make those choices ourselves and have live with the consequences.
Since we cannot control our desires, whatever form they may take, it is tempting to accept an alternative to the burden of adult responsibility. We become "as children" to quote the Jesus-actor. We surrender control of our lives to someone else and now are "free" to go about our lives without concern. "Don't worry, God (or our political/religious leaders) will take care of it."
In a time of terrible troubles - terrorists slaughtering innocents, daily atrocities in Iraq, job insecurity at home - it is so much easier to accept that "God has a plan" and let someone else worry about how to deal with the boogeyman.
Of course, the price tag for a worry-free life is complete surrender of all decisions to a higher power - in the form of the father figure who is the mouthpiece for God. It is frightening to observe a national brain-washing take place without knowing how to combat this self-imposed affliction. But at least we have for it, and that’s a good first step toward a cure. Otherwise, God help America.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 23, 2005 10:42 AM
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If it were easy to grow up, Freud would have been out of a job. No dependencies makes johnny even more than a dull boy. The ancient Greeks said anyone who can live without others must be either a god or a devil; the point being that friendships, for an inescapably social critter like us, are necessary.
Maturation is not measured simply by a health standard, however. Sartre also called for 'lucidity,' honest thinking, even about what is unpleasant. Things change, and it's hard work to adapt.
We don't always do what we know to be right and good (again, thank you, Paul). We deliberately do what we know to be damaging. If someone could save us from that, it would be wonderful. But as Doestevsky's Grand Inquisitor episode suggests, we need to save ourselves.
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Posted by: IanA on Jul 23, 2005 4:52 PM
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To be free, to be truly free, is to consume nothing that is not replaceable by our own energy, activity and productivity in the most direct sense and in harmony with your planet. Husbandry because it is not ours, it’s just on loan, to be taken good care of. The same goes for the precious bonds that relate us to all other living beings. It is the skewing of that to oblivion which has caused the great exploitive injustices of history and the present day especially. In short, to reach an equitable and harmonious global society we should strive to consume less and appreciate more rather than the opposite which is what a wasteful consumer society encourages.
It’s not religion it’s common sense and survival.
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Posted by: spitviper on Jul 24, 2005 10:56 AM
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dogma... and i'm more liberal than anyone on this board... but i call a penguin a bird because that's what it is.... que no?)
So in that light and because there's no other place to post this timely comment.... DON'T YOU THINK THAT 70 ARRESTS FOR THE BOMBINGS IN EGYPT IS EXCESSIVE? JUST A TAD? I MEAN, WHY NOT LOCK UP THE WHOLE COUNTRY FOR PLOTTING TO BLOW UP A BUILDING... MAYBE THAT WAS THE PLAN of THE bombERS... TO DO A DEOMLITION WITH AN emptY RESORT... BECAUSE THE egyption gOV'T SEEMS TO HAVE ARRESTED THE NATION....) EH?
PS. and as of the bombings in london... as people descended from ancient irish royalty, we're still a little upset that no one even considered the Irish as the bombers... i mean the irish were fierce stubborn warriors... why not consider us suspects for at least 10 minutes... Gawd. lordy (maybe being shunned as suspects is good thing... but you know... vanity is a strong emotion...)
cahir said that.... just now, but you know... he lost his head.
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Posted by: bornxeyed on Jul 24, 2005 2:43 PM
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Is such blind faith in the self-reward of conformity really appropriate in a democracy? When a significant percentage of voters give up their power to choose by casting votes they are told are correct, instead of taking the effort to understand issues in order to decide for themselves, there is ,in fact, no democracy. There's only the oligarchy of the charismatic, those in whom people gravitate for their answers, leading the sheep down the Primrose Path. Ulitmately, these sheep will not only believe in any future they are told is awaiting them, they can be easly lead toward creating it's reality, even if it is there own destruction.
Not only are they being lead to environmental destruction in the name of greed but many are coming to believe, and hoping, we are headed for a fiery Divine Judgement in the name of salvation. And like the good sheep they are, they are
eagerly assisting in these self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Posted by: IanA on Jul 25, 2005 5:55 AM
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Yes, transition is difficult. A system founded by religious extremists on slavery, genocide and bigotry requires slavery and religious bigotry to continue one way or the other. The application of these principles to garner power insures the persistant use of violence and genocide. What success in a puny 200 years? Massacre of indigenous populations, an economy built on slavery, the exploitation of the weakest, the use of violence to maintain injustice, culminating in the most violent civil war in the history of mankind, and that was only the first 100 years. The next 100 is a litany of imperialism and murderous aggression of a military industrial complex in the hands of white nationalist supremacists, followed by just plane gangsters of late, terrorists holding the world to ransom with WMD. Democracy is a great idea, if your country ever gets round to applying it but it depends on a free, informed and responsible electorate; an ethical political system; a fair and moral application of the concept of representation of all the people (not just the ones who contribute to your campaign funds or vote for you and certainly not the property of a fewer). Freedom is relative. While the slave master is never free because he needs his slaves, you cannot live without your consumer comforts, and I choose to serve my master for many lives, till the end of all suffering.
So rather than complicity in taking comfort and benefit derived from this “progress” in the short term while accepting an imminent and inevitable apocalyptic end, it might be valuable to posterity to think less on oneself and instead define what went wrong and try to encapsulate and protect the essence of what is worthwhile so that it might survive.
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I'm particularly talking about indian philosophies: for instance: guru-yoga, tibetan bhuddism, the bhagavad gita, and the caste system.
The story of the bhagavad gita is Arjuna is about to go into a horrible battle of brother against brother. Arjuna doesn't want to so Krisna appears and says it's his duty. He was born a soldier so he must fight. Krisna doesn't accept any arguments: he's gotta go out there and be what he was born to be.
My reading of this (and all of the philosophies that rely and respect the Gita) is that people will do almost philosophical contortion to dispose of that irksome voice that's reminding them of their essential existential Freedom.
Four thousand years ago, the most horrible battle imaginable (ie Arjuna's battle) wasn't so bad: so what that thousand's of warriors died... Nowadays, the deaths of thousands of innocents through war-by-other-means (ie economics) happens daily. Hence, nowadays (more than ever) we can't afford the luxury of abdicating our responsibilities to choose. Not to choose is a choice too (as Sartre said).
Same goes with all forms of guru yoga (tibetan buddhism included): Guru has demonstrated (to his followers at least) that he can see clearer, so it makes sense (to his followers) to do as he instructs - because he can see the bigger picture.
This game (as the transactional pyschologists would have it) allows the disciple to plod along following Guru's Will: No choice any more (harrah!). And the Guru? Does he gets a power trip, or is he assuming the role of guru altruistically? (and isn't altruism a subtle form of self-agrandisement anyway? camus in the fall tells us it is)
Maybe it's all more subtle than this. But there's a hell of a lot of people that pursue this kind of philosophy, and get involved in all kinds of weirdness: Underground, by murakami says the sarin gas release in tokyo's subways was actually a test to see if the devotees could go beyond normal morality. They felt it was wrong, but their Guru told them it was the ultimate test. And so they did what he told them to do.
If the Guru is benign and wise, then why not let a Guru decide your actions. If the Guru is anything less than this, then I'll make my own errors, ta
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Posted by: jakrabit on Jul 23, 2005 7:58 AM
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I shuddered at the sight of a stadium full of people who accepted the most outlandish of statements as if they were the word of God. This half hour political sermon was followed by a 30 second scene where an actor portraying Jesus told his flock that if they wanted to become closer to God they had to "act as children". My mind registered the link between these two pieces, but I could not put a word to it. Then I read this article.
The mention of akrasia as a means of self control put a name to the phenomenon we are now witnessing - the upsurge of the religious right. Where better a place to hand over control of your choices than in the bosom of religious belief? What comfort we can receive in relinquishing our responsibility to a father figure rather than have to make those choices ourselves and have live with the consequences.
Since we cannot control our desires, whatever form they may take, it is tempting to accept an alternative to the burden of adult responsibility. We become "as children" to quote the Jesus-actor. We surrender control of our lives to someone else and now are "free" to go about our lives without concern. "Don't worry, God (or our political/religious leaders) will take care of it."
In a time of terrible troubles - terrorists slaughtering innocents, daily atrocities in Iraq, job insecurity at home - it is so much easier to accept that "God has a plan" and let someone else worry about how to deal with the boogeyman.
Of course, the price tag for a worry-free life is complete surrender of all decisions to a higher power - in the form of the father figure who is the mouthpiece for God. It is frightening to observe a national brain-washing take place without knowing how to combat this self-imposed affliction. But at least we have for it, and that’s a good first step toward a cure. Otherwise, God help America.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 23, 2005 10:42 AM
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If it were easy to grow up, Freud would have been out of a job. No dependencies makes johnny even more than a dull boy. The ancient Greeks said anyone who can live without others must be either a god or a devil; the point being that friendships, for an inescapably social critter like us, are necessary.
Maturation is not measured simply by a health standard, however. Sartre also called for 'lucidity,' honest thinking, even about what is unpleasant. Things change, and it's hard work to adapt.
We don't always do what we know to be right and good (again, thank you, Paul). We deliberately do what we know to be damaging. If someone could save us from that, it would be wonderful. But as Doestevsky's Grand Inquisitor episode suggests, we need to save ourselves.
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Posted by: IanA on Jul 23, 2005 4:52 PM
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To be free, to be truly free, is to consume nothing that is not replaceable by our own energy, activity and productivity in the most direct sense and in harmony with your planet. Husbandry because it is not ours, it’s just on loan, to be taken good care of. The same goes for the precious bonds that relate us to all other living beings. It is the skewing of that to oblivion which has caused the great exploitive injustices of history and the present day especially. In short, to reach an equitable and harmonious global society we should strive to consume less and appreciate more rather than the opposite which is what a wasteful consumer society encourages.
It’s not religion it’s common sense and survival.
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Posted by: spitviper on Jul 24, 2005 10:56 AM
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dogma... and i'm more liberal than anyone on this board... but i call a penguin a bird because that's what it is.... que no?)
So in that light and because there's no other place to post this timely comment.... DON'T YOU THINK THAT 70 ARRESTS FOR THE BOMBINGS IN EGYPT IS EXCESSIVE? JUST A TAD? I MEAN, WHY NOT LOCK UP THE WHOLE COUNTRY FOR PLOTTING TO BLOW UP A BUILDING... MAYBE THAT WAS THE PLAN of THE bombERS... TO DO A DEOMLITION WITH AN emptY RESORT... BECAUSE THE egyption gOV'T SEEMS TO HAVE ARRESTED THE NATION....) EH?
PS. and as of the bombings in london... as people descended from ancient irish royalty, we're still a little upset that no one even considered the Irish as the bombers... i mean the irish were fierce stubborn warriors... why not consider us suspects for at least 10 minutes... Gawd. lordy (maybe being shunned as suspects is good thing... but you know... vanity is a strong emotion...)
cahir said that.... just now, but you know... he lost his head.
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Posted by: bornxeyed on Jul 24, 2005 2:43 PM
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Is such blind faith in the self-reward of conformity really appropriate in a democracy? When a significant percentage of voters give up their power to choose by casting votes they are told are correct, instead of taking the effort to understand issues in order to decide for themselves, there is ,in fact, no democracy. There's only the oligarchy of the charismatic, those in whom people gravitate for their answers, leading the sheep down the Primrose Path. Ulitmately, these sheep will not only believe in any future they are told is awaiting them, they can be easly lead toward creating it's reality, even if it is there own destruction.
Not only are they being lead to environmental destruction in the name of greed but many are coming to believe, and hoping, we are headed for a fiery Divine Judgement in the name of salvation. And like the good sheep they are, they are
eagerly assisting in these self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Yes, transition is difficult. A system founded by religious extremists on slavery, genocide and bigotry requires slavery and religious bigotry to continue one way or the other. The application of these principles to garner power insures the persistant use of violence and genocide. What success in a puny 200 years? Massacre of indigenous populations, an economy built on slavery, the exploitation of the weakest, the use of violence to maintain injustice, culminating in the most violent civil war in the history of mankind, and that was only the first 100 years. The next 100 is a litany of imperialism and murderous aggression of a military industrial complex in the hands of white nationalist supremacists, followed by just plane gangsters of late, terrorists holding the world to ransom with WMD. Democracy is a great idea, if your country ever gets round to applying it but it depends on a free, informed and responsible electorate; an ethical political system; a fair and moral application of the concept of representation of all the people (not just the ones who contribute to your campaign funds or vote for you and certainly not the property of a fewer). Freedom is relative. While the slave master is never free because he needs his slaves, you cannot live without your consumer comforts, and I choose to serve my master for many lives, till the end of all suffering.
So rather than complicity in taking comfort and benefit derived from this “progress” in the short term while accepting an imminent and inevitable apocalyptic end, it might be valuable to posterity to think less on oneself and instead define what went wrong and try to encapsulate and protect the essence of what is worthwhile so that it might survive.
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Posted by: julzhk on Jul 25, 2005 7:28 AM
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I'm particularly talking about indian philosophies: for instance: guru-yoga, tibetan bhuddism, the bhagavad gita, and the caste system.
The story of the bhagavad gita is Arjuna is about to go into a horrible battle of brother against brother. Arjuna doesn't want to so Krisna appears and says it's his duty. He was born a soldier so he must fight. Krisna doesn't accept any arguments: he's gotta go out there and be what he was born to be.
My reading of this (and all of the philosophies that rely and respect the Gita) is that people will do almost philosophical contortion to dispose of that irksome voice that's reminding them of their essential existential Freedom.
Four thousand years ago, the most horrible battle imaginable (ie Arjuna's battle) wasn't so bad: so what that thousand's of warriors died... Nowadays, the deaths of thousands of innocents through war-by-other-means (ie economics) happens daily. Hence, nowadays (more than ever) we can't afford the luxury of abdicating our responsibilities to choose. Not to choose is a choice too (as Sartre said).
Same goes with all forms of guru yoga (tibetan buddhism included): Guru has demonstrated (to his followers at least) that he can see clearer, so it makes sense (to his followers) to do as he instructs - because he can see the bigger picture.
This game (as the transactional pyschologists would have it) allows the disciple to plod along following Guru's Will: No choice any more (harrah!). And the Guru? Does he gets a power trip, or is he assuming the role of guru altruistically? (and isn't altruism a subtle form of self-agrandisement anyway? camus in the fall tells us it is)
Maybe it's all more subtle than this. But there's a hell of a lot of people that pursue this kind of philosophy, and get involved in all kinds of weirdness: Underground, by murakami says the sarin gas release in tokyo's subways was actually a test to see if the devotees could go beyond normal morality. They felt it was wrong, but their Guru told them it was the ultimate test. And so they did what he told them to do.
If the Guru is benign and wise, then why not let a Guru decide your actions. If the Guru is anything less than this, then I'll make my own errors, ta
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